will I get demerit points?

[firstmazda]

Does anyone know if I will get demerit points for going 40K over the limit?
More specifically, i was doing 102 in a 60 zone.

The cop was really nice though, he thankned me for being so poite and told
me to book a court date so that he could bring the $320 ticket down.
Anyone know what he could prob. bring it down to??

Thanks
Ray

P.S.
I will GLADLY accept donations!:D

[Jeff-TheBiz]

Pointts demerit points (http://www.pointts.ca/ontariodermit.html)

My suggestion... Fight every ticket.

[Whos ur dadd]

Yes, you\'ll get demerit points. Even if the prosecutor agreed to go down one class, you are in multiple demerit point territory, buddy.

[firstmazda]

damn....
how can I fight it?

If the cop brings it down, will I just pay less but get the same
number of demerit points? or will they drop those too?

Kyfe:
will 4 demerit points affct my ins. costs? (i\'m a first time offender)

[Zaku_4]

Originally posted by firstmazda


damn....
how can I fight it?

If the cop brings it down, will I just pay less but get the same
number of demerit points? or will they drop those too?

Kyfe:
will 4 demerit points affct my ins. costs? (i\'m a first time offender)

anything that effects demerit points effects insurance costs

good luck!

[MajesticBlueNTO]

when you take it to court, you don\'t \"plead\" with the cop but the Prosecutor.

most likely the Prosecutor will call your name, you go see him/her and, in the case with speeding tickets, they\'ll offer you a reduced speed/points/fine (for example, in your case they might offer you 16km/h over, or anywhere up to 29km/h over ...basically one point class down). The fine is $2.50 per KM over the limit, plus a $15 surcharge, plus any court fees.

if you choose to accept, the Prosecutor will instruct you to plead \"Guilty\" when the Justice of the Peace asks you \"how do you plead?\" after your name is called during the proceedings. (prior to that, the prosecutor will state what you will be pleading guilty to).

if you choose not to accept the \"deal\", you have to convince the JP that you are \"Not Guilty\"; which basically means you have to prepare for the case.

be careful when talking to the Prosecutor prior to the proceedings, as they may offer you the \"deal\" without telling you that the Cop is not there (when you request a trial date, make sure to check that you want the Cop present). if you agree, when your case is called and you\'ve plead guilty, if the Cop isn\'t there, then you\'ve just been convicted regardless.

usually insurance companies \"allow\" 2 minor conviction tickets within a certain time span without increasing your rates. However, 40+ over and 4 points may be pretty risky.

As for \"ticket fighting\" places, be wary of the ones that say \"we win or it\'s free\" ...what they mean by a \"win\" is you not being convicted of your original charge.

This page hasn\'t been updated in a while, but it\'ll give you a good idea of where to begin (http://www.magma.ca/~fyst/)

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN
... if the Cop isn\'t there, then you\'ve just been convicted regardless.


oh yeah, what happens if the cop dosen\'t show up?

BTW
thanks for all the help guys!

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by firstmazda



Originally posted by MajesticBlueN
... if the Cop isn\'t there, then you\'ve just been convicted regardless.


oh yeah, what happens if the cop dosen\'t show up?

BTW
thanks for all the help guys!

very rare since Cops get OT for going to court, but the prosecutor can either ask that the trial be postponed to the next available date for the Cop, or the JP can dismiss all the cases for that Cop.

if the JP agrees to postpone the date, you can argue that you want your case dismissed since you\'ve been denied your right to a fair trial within a reasonable amount of time (reasonable time being within 8 months, but since you showed up and the Cop didn\'t...can argue from there i.e. your memory may not be as good, a postponement places undue duress on yourself, etc).

if the JP dismisses all cases, then your ticket is thrown away like it never happened (which they don\'t want and is the reason for the OT pay).

[firstmazda]

so when the prosecuter asks me how I plead, i should first ask if the cop showed up?
what can I say to fight this?

[Broli]

i have always heard that you should ask to see the speedo

is this true, ie can u get thew ticket throw out if the cop refused??

[TheProfessor]

How fast were you actually going when the cop got you? I have a hard time believing that the cop didn\'t reduce the infraction for you, which means you must have been going even faster.

[chaser]

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN


when you take it to court, you don\'t \"plead\" with the cop but the Prosecutor.

most likely the Prosecutor will call your name, you go see him/her and, in the case with speeding tickets, they\'ll offer you a reduced speed/points/fine (for example, in your case they might offer you 16km/h over, or anywhere up to 29km/h over ...basically one point class down). The fine is $2.50 per KM over the limit, plus a $15 surcharge, plus any court fees.

if you choose to accept, the Prosecutor will instruct you to plead \"Guilty\" when the Justice of the Peace asks you \"how do you plead?\" after your name is called during the proceedings. (prior to that, the prosecutor will state what you will be pleading guilty to).

if you choose not to accept the \"deal\", you have to convince the JP that you are \"Not Guilty\"; which basically means you have to prepare for the case.

be careful when talking to the Prosecutor prior to the proceedings, as they may offer you the \"deal\" without telling you that the Cop is not there (when you request a trial date, make sure to check that you want the Cop present). if you agree, when your case is called and you\'ve plead guilty, if the Cop isn\'t there, then you\'ve just been convicted regardless.

usually insurance companies \"allow\" 2 minor conviction tickets within a certain time span without increasing your rates. However, 40+ over and 4 points may be pretty risky.

As for \"ticket fighting\" places, be wary of the ones that say \"we win or it\'s free\" ...what they mean by a \"win\" is you not being convicted of your original charge.

This page hasn\'t been updated in a while, but it\'ll give you a good idea of where to begin (http://www.magma.ca/~fyst/)

MBN, you saved my typing!

If a ticket fighter tells you not to show up on court, becareful that he/she would simply accept the \"deal\" for you. That\'s what I saw when I was there years back. Good luck!

[dr_sarcasm]

you need need to slow down.



dr_\"speed kills... not only in your veins\"_sarcasm

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by PSIVIC


How fast were you actually going when the cop got you? I have a hard time believing that the cop didn\'t reduce the infraction for you, which means you must have been going even faster.

He said I was doing 102 in a 60zone. He said he couldn\'t
reduce it then and there \'cause it was \"quite excessive\",
but because I was so polite, he would get the prosecutor
to reduce it in court.

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by dr_sarcasm


you need need to slow down.



dr_\"speed kills... not only in your veins\"_sarcasm

no no, they simply need to up the limit!:p :p

[Zaku_4]

hmm

how exactly did u act? the reason i ask this is ebcause, being very fortunate, 2 times i was caught speeding, 30/40 over and basically the radio was off, didnt say anything (except for thanks alot at the end), gave them exactly what they wanted, and they reduced the fine for me to 10 over each time.

10 over is only 40 bucks each, no points.

like i said, very fortunate. i dont speed as much anymore!

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by Zaku_4


hmm

how exactly did u act? the reason i ask this is ebcause, being very fortunate, 2 times i was caught speeding, 30/40 over and basically the radio was off, didnt say anything (except for thanks alot at the end), gave them exactly what they wanted, and they reduced the fine for me to 10 over each time.

10 over is only 40 bucks each, no points.

like i said, very fortunate. i dont speed as much anymore!

Really??
you are luck, I was also VERY polite, smile on my face, radio off, car shut off, etc.
I even asked him if i could throw my cigarette out the window so the
smoke wouldn\'t be in his face!

ah well, I\'m not pissed about it anyways, I know it was my bad. just wanna lessen
the damage, that\'s all.

[mit-gee-mui]

in pointts.ca, under 2 points, it says \"improper opening of a vehicle door\" :sarc

what does that mean?

[bluntman]

It\'s when you\'re parked roadside and you open your door and a cyclist runs into the opened door.

[Junior]

at 15 or more km/h over the psoted limit, points are involved..

fight it man.. not worth it even if they \"reduce\" it. still could hurt you in the long run.

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by Junior
fight it man.. not worth it even if they \"reduce\" it. still could hurt you in the long run.

so what can I say or do to fight it?

[Junior]

\"i\'m young and stupid, didn\'t realize that what I was doing was wrong. please , please gimme another chance\"

then you get on your knees and give him a blow job :sarc

shit man, I don\'t know.. my speeding tickets have only been like 20 over and shit. just start balling, they\'ll think you\'re a ***** and throw you out the courtroom.

BTW: i\'m just kidding, in case you\'re sensitive to jokes (...or don\'t know what jokes are)

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by Junior

then you get on your knees and give him a blow job :sarc


LOL
Broli said that only works on Cardi

[al01]

MAKE SURE THEY FIGHT IT RIGHTTTT AND THERES NO COURT ERROR

cause that reallllllllly f**ked me up gooooood

[g_g]

Fight it....what do you say? not sure

I can tell you this though, when i was caught driving with a suspended license i faught the ticket and just said \"i was a student and was on my way home from my class. There was no other way for me to make it to my class on time unless i drove. I have learned from my mistake and have since had my license re-instated\".

The prosecutor had no problem dropping the charge, and i was let off entirely. Maybe i was just lucky :)

[midnightfxgt]

Originally posted by al01


MAKE SURE THEY FIGHT IT RIGHTTTT AND THERES NO COURT ERROR

cause that reallllllllly f**ked me up gooooood

Didnt you fall asleep and hit a pole?

-john

[Broli]

Originally posted by firstmazda



Originally posted by Junior

then you get on your knees and give him a blow job :sarc


LOL
Broli said that only works on Cardi

its true!
lol

but i remember one time i got pulled over for no seatbelt,
i always wear my seatbelt, but i just went thru a drive thru so i took it off
and i forgot to put it on, so that was bad luck

so i went to talk to pointts, and i told them if they can guarentee no charge i will go with them

not surprisingly they said they couldnt make that promise, so i told them i am not interested in their service!

anyways, i show up for court and it turned out they tried my case the day before, (even though i and the cop were called for the same day - cop wasn\'t there day before)

turns out that somehow points followed up on my case and set the court date for the day before, but i never got the notice and neither did the cop, so my case got thrown out!

it was good luck for me!

dumb bastards at points ended up helping me out, but i told them not to show up, and i didn\'t want their representation,

they finally gave up asking for money from me, i told them i wasn\'t paying i didn\'t sign anything and i didn\'t want their service,

anyways the point is fight, and messed up stuff could happen in ur favour as well!

:p

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by firstmazda
LOL
Broli said that only works on Cardi

I heard that.

[mazda3ride]

I heard something from a a co-worker of mine who\'s boyfriend drives a Ferrari. She said that when he gets tickets and this happens often, he always pays by cheque and he always pay a bit more then the actuall ticket. So if the fine $200 he pays $205. So what the court does is sends him back a cheque for $5. Now from what I understand, the demerit points can not be taken away unless he cashes the cheque. I am not sure if there is any truth to this so do not hold me accountable if this information is not correct.

[majic]

Originally posted by mazda3ride


I heard something from a a co-worker of mine who\'s boyfriend drives a Ferrari. She said that when he gets tickets and this happens often, he always pays by cheque and he always pay a bit more then the actuall ticket. So if the fine $200 he pays $205. So what the court does is sends him back a cheque for $5. Now from what I understand, the demerit points can not be taken away unless he cashes the cheque. I am not sure if there is any truth to this so do not hold me accountable if this information is not correct.

they are liars (http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/ticket.asp) :D

[al01]

Originally posted by Broli



Originally posted by firstmazda



Originally posted by Junior

then you get on your knees and give him a blow job :sarc


LOL
Broli said that only works on Cardi

its true!
lol

but i remember one time i got pulled over for no seatbelt,
i always wear my seatbelt, but i just went thru a drive thru so i took it off
and i forgot to put it on, so that was bad luck

so i went to talk to pointts, and i told them if they can guarentee no charge i will go with them

not surprisingly they said they couldnt make that promise, so i told them i am not interested in their service!

anyways, i show up for court and it turned out they tried my case the day before, (even though i and the cop were called for the same day - cop wasn\'t there day before)

turns out that somehow points followed up on my case and set the court date for the day before, but i never got the notice and neither did the cop, so my case got thrown out!

it was good luck for me!

dumb bastards at points ended up helping me out, but i told them not to show up, and i didn\'t want their representation,

they finally gave up asking for money from me, i told them i wasn\'t paying i didn\'t sign anything and i didn\'t want their service,

anyways the point is fight, and messed up stuff could happen in ur favour as well!

:p

how does the cop know if your wearing a seatbelt or not?? i never wear mine.. but i dont move around.. so it looks like im wearing one

[Cardinal Fang]

Why wouldn\'t you wear a seat belt?

[majic]

Originally posted by Cardinal Fang


Why wouldn\'t you wear a seat belt?

cuz last time he crashed it gave him bruises :sarc

[Whos ur dadd]

Originally posted by Cardinal Fang


Why wouldn\'t you wear a seat belt?

Natural selection.

[thekid]

Originally posted by Zaku_4
anything that effects demerit points effects insurance costs

good luck!

That\'s not necessarily true. The way the insurance companies look at tickets, has to do with the tickets themselves, not the number of points. A ticket 1km/h over or 49km/h over is the same in the eyes of the insurance company and is considered a \"minor infraction\". (50km/h or higher over the limit is a major infraction)

Some insurance companies will allow you to have 1-2 minor infractions on your record without causing an increase to your insurance premiums.

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by thekid

A ticket 1km/h over or 49km/h over is the same in the eyes of the insurance company and is considered a \"minor infraction\". (50km/h or higher over the limit is a major infraction)

Some insurance companies will allow you to have 1-2 minor infractions on your record without
causing an increase to your insurance premiums.

PHEW!
That\'s great to know...

[Caz]

Originally posted by Whos ur dadd



Originally posted by Cardinal Fang


Why wouldn\'t you wear a seat belt?

Natural selection.

Check this moron (http://www.wimp.com/belt/) out.

At least he looked cool without the seat belt.

[Junior]

Originally posted by firstmazda



Originally posted by thekid

A ticket 1km/h over or 49km/h over is the same in the eyes of the insurance company and is considered a \"minor infraction\". (50km/h or higher over the limit is a major infraction)

Some insurance companies will allow you to have 1-2 minor infractions on your record without
causing an increase to your insurance premiums.

PHEW!
That\'s great to know...

sorry to burst your bubble but that information doesn\'t exactly favour you either

a speeding ticket is a speeding is a speeding ticket, no matter, 1 km over or 50km over

that information is for the misinformed that think that going 15 over the speed limit with no points is not as bad as getting clocked at 50 over and getting 4 points.

They both equally mess you up... the ONLY true way to not be affected is to beat the ticket and get it erased, or to use up your grace number of convictions.

[TheProfessor]

I got my first and only speeding ticket just over a year ago (doing 78km/h in a 60km/h zone) and I didn\'t fight it. My insurance did not go up and I have had my \'profile\' checked since then and I am still a six star driver with all of my points intact. I have since renewed my insurance once and still no increase. I don\'t think a speeding ticket is an automatic increase in premiums or demerit points.

[Upyerkilt]

Fight it in court!, I had a similar experience to you (over a year ago), although I think mine was 30 over but still had points too (I think it was 2 points) anyway the cop would not budge at all I asked him to cut me a break because I had been driving for 10+ years with no tickets etc....long story short he told me too bad, he didn\'t beleive i had no tickets, and if i wanted a \"break\" then take it to court he wouldn\'t be offended.
I was the same as you about court, I had no idea what to do, and hoped the cop did not show up. he showed up with a huge stack of tickets meaning that he expected to be there all day and told every one he busted to take it to court. I came prepared to show evidence/plead my case I even went to the ministry and got a copy of my nice CLEAN driver abstract showing no record/convictions/tickets etc (it cost $10 bucks i think)
The prosecutor asked if I\'d like to plead guilty to a lesser fine, I aksed what they are offering, most of the time they ask the cop that stopped you for advice, She asked him and he mentioned \"he has a clean record\" so, well they cut the fine in half and dropped the points, I noticed almost everyone there I spoke with had the points thrown out and only the really bad (drunk driving, double the speed limit )cases were using pointts or a lawyer.
Now I\'m sure it all depends on the judge, prosecutor, cop and what kind of mood they are in, and they don\'t treat all cases the same so keep your fingers crossed.

All said and done, don\'t be nervous, I wouldn\'t think about wasting money on lawyers, and if you have a clean record they should hopefully look and realized you made a mistake and learned your lesson.
Also It never affected my insurance (yet!)

Good Luck!

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by Upyerkilt
...they cut the fine in half and dropped the points, I noticed almost everyone there I spoke with had the points thrown out and only the really bad (drunk driving, double the speed limit )cases were using pointts or a lawyer.


Well I went to the courthouse to fill out the forms today. I wonder when the trial will be.
Hope the cop remembers me for being so polite!

hopefully I can get my points dropped too.

What\'s the most any of you guys got busted for? I remember one dweeb back in high school
who was showin off his ticket like he was prowd. It was like 140+ kmph in a school zone.
(at night, but still...)

[Junior]

Originally posted by PSIVIC


I got my first and only speeding ticket just over a year ago (doing 78km/h in a 60km/h zone) and I didn\'t fight it. My insurance did not go up and I have had my \'profile\' checked since then and I am still a six star driver with all of my points intact. I have since renewed my insurance once and still no increase. I don\'t think a speeding ticket is an automatic increase in premiums or demerit points.

you prolly used up your acceptable \"grace\" one time. get another one, the results may not be as favourable....

[thekid]

Originally posted by Junior



Originally posted by PSIVIC


I got my first and only speeding ticket just over a year ago (doing 78km/h in a 60km/h zone) and I didn\'t fight it. My insurance did not go up and I have had my \'profile\' checked since then and I am still a six star driver with all of my points intact. I have since renewed my insurance once and still no increase. I don\'t think a speeding ticket is an automatic increase in premiums or demerit points.

you prolly used up your acceptable \"grace\" one time. get another one, the results may not be as favourable....

Junior is right, you can normally get off one or two without your rates going up. I wasn\'t trying to imply in my previous post that you shouldn\'t fight it, I was just saying that it\'s not a guaruntee that your rates will go up. Some insurance companies have 0 grace tickets. Mine happens to have 2. I have 0 convictions on my record right now, and I would still fight any ticket I received, but at least I know I can get a 2 minor infractions without my rates skyrocketing. I know this because after I got my two infractions I was very honest with the insurance company about them and my rates did not go up, they just warned me if I got a third that i\'d be in trouble!

[azn_outlaw]

Best tip I can give you....

since i have been pulled over and ticketed a numerious amounts of time...

which I finally learned my leasson and slowed down....sorta kinda..

I book an appoinment with the prosecutor and tell them this,

\"I appoligize about the infration that has occured, and would be more than happy to pay the fine, yet my main reason here is about dermerit points, I just dont want my insurance rate to go up becuase I am still a full-time student and need a car to go to school.\"

90% Chance, charges we be reduced....

see being a broke ass full-time student has its perks.

good luck

[dr_sarcasm]

Originally posted by azn_outlaw
\"I appoligize about the infration that has occured, and would be more than happy to pay the fine, yet my main reason here is about dermerit points, I just dont want my insurance rate to go up becuase I am still a full-time student and need a car to go to school.\" 90% Chance, charges we be reduced.... see being a broke ass full-time student has its perks. good luck

it looks like you need to re-read, because apparently paying the fine is equally as bad as getting points.


dr_\"the last 5 or 6 posts, might help\"_sarcasm

[Broli]

Originally posted by al01

how does the cop know if your wearing a seatbelt or not?? i never wear mine.. but i dont move around.. so it looks like im wearing one


this incident occured in my old van, no tints . . . well it would be easy to see that there is no seatbelt. plus when they doing a seatbelt raid, they are paying specific attn for these things.

but that incident, has reinforced the action of wearing my seatbelt, even on small trips


dude, why wouldn\'t u wear ur seatbelt, thats just stupid! sorry bro, but you could end up dead or worse man, and the seatbelt could save ur life, so . . . seems like an easy decision to me!

[Whos ur dadd]

People thought I was insane to have defended this guy when he totalled his 3. Thanks to this knob, he\'s proven them right. Fugnut.

Oooops. This is threadcrapping. I will continue my rant in the Flaming Thread. ;)