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wtom
03-02-2006, 04:14 PM
Click for LA Times article (http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-fi-autos2mar02,0,7200134.story?coll=la-home-headlines)


\"The magazine has found that Toyota and Honda vehicles consistently have fewer problems as they age than those of other manufacturers, Champion said. An 8-year-old Toyota \"is about as reliable as a 3-year-old Ford,\" he said.

Among American brands, Ford \"consistently\" has lower problem rates for older vehicles than do General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler\'s Chrysler Group, Champion said.

Of the 36 major brands surveyed, German automaker Porsche was the least reliable, with Hummer, Land Rover, Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz filling out the bottom five.

The magazine also found that Japanese and South Korean brands had 12 problems per 100 vehicles, the same rate as last year, American brands had 18 problems per 100 vehicles, up from 17, and European brands had 21 problems per 100 vehicles, unchanged from the last study.\"

Cardinal Fang
03-02-2006, 04:31 PM
Most reliable

SMALL CARS:
Toyota Echo, Honda Civic (2005), Toyota Prius, Honda Civic Hybrid (2005), Toyota Corolla, Subaru Impreza (non-turbo)

SPORTY CARS/CONVERTIBLES/COUPES:
Honda S2000, Mazda MX-5 Miata (2005), Lexus SC430, Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005)

SEDANS:
Lexus GS300/GS430*, Infiniti M35/45*, Lexus IS300 (2005), Honda Accord Hybrid*, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord 4-cyl., Lexus LS430

WAGONS:
Toyota Matrix

SMALL SUVS:
Toyota RAV4 (2005), Honda CR-V, Honda Element, Subaru Forester, Mercury Mariner*, Mitsubishi Outlander

MIDSIZE SUVS:
Lexus RX400h (Hybrid)*, Toyota Highlander, Toyota 4Runner (V8), Infiniti FX35

LARGE SUVS:
Toyota Land Cruiser

PICKUP TRUCKS:
Honda Ridgeline*, Toyota Tundra

Least reliable:

SMALL CARS:
Chevrolet Cobalt*

SPORTY CARS/CONVERTIBLES/COUPES:
Volkswagen New Beetle Convertible, Mercedes-Benz SL, Mercedes-Benz CLK, Ford Mustang (V6)*, Chevrolet Corvette*, Audi S4

SEDANS:
Jaguar S-Type, Lincoln LS, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Saab 9-3, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 5-Series (V8), Audi A8, Chrysler 300 (V8)*, BMW 7 series

WAGONS:
Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Volkswagen Passat (V6) (2005), Volvo V50*

SMALL SUVS:
Saturn Vue (AWD), Hyundai Tucson*, Kia Sportage*

MIDSIZED SUVS:
Volkswagen Touareg, Porsche Cayenne, Land Rover LR3*, Land Rover Range Rover*, Ford Explorer (2005), Mercury Mountaineer (2005), Jeep Grand Cherokee*, Ford Freestyle (AWD)*, Cadillac SRX, Volvo XC90, Chevrolet TrailBlazer (V8), GMC Envoy (V8), BMW X5 (V8)

LARGE SUVS:
Infiniti QX56, Nissan Armada, Hummer H2, Lincoln Navigator, Ford Expedition

PICKUP TRUCKS:
Nissan Titan, Chevrolet Colorado (4WD), GMC Canyon (4WD)

* = data is based on one model year only.

Whos ur dadd
03-02-2006, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Cardinal Fang

Least reliable:

SPORTY CARS/CONVERTIBLES/COUPES:
Mercedes-Benz SL, Mercedes-Benz CLK, Audi S4

SEDANS:
Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 5-Series (V8), Audi A8, BMW 7 series

WAGONS:
Mercedes-Benz E-Class



Ya think that by paying $$$ ya\'d get some quality. I can\'t believe how far MB has fallen...

Cardinal Fang
03-02-2006, 05:24 PM
This a perfect example of the \"Halo Effect.\"

Kevin@nextmod
03-02-2006, 06:01 PM
Land cruiser?
Will that be the Lexus LX470?

al01
03-02-2006, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Cardinal Fang


Most reliable

SMALL CARS:
Toyota Echo, Honda Civic (2005), Toyota Prius, Honda Civic Hybrid (2005), Toyota Corolla, Subaru Impreza (non-turbo)



lol my car is so not reliable, everything is breaking apart or making weird soundss :(

TheProfessor
03-02-2006, 09:45 PM
It was only a matter of time before the Japanese swept the list.....what\'s even more surprising is that Korean cars have come such a long way that they are more reliable than a Porsche!

And it is sad that MB has gotten to where they are, but you have to hit rock bottom before you can get back up, and they\'re pretty damn close IMO. I still can\'t believe that for $40K you don\'t even get rims on your MB, but rather wheel covers :sarc

swales
03-03-2006, 07:12 AM
No surprises there for me, most of the german cars are terrible for quality. Luckily it looks like they\'re trying to turn things around, as the new S class is a thousand times better then last years model.

fourtrack78
03-03-2006, 10:53 AM
I can\'t believe how far MB has fallen...

I have one word for you...................Chrysler

swales
03-03-2006, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by fourtrack78



I can\'t believe how far MB has fallen...

I have one word for you...................Chrysler

The funny thing is, MB\'s quality actually went up after they merged with Chrysler :sarc

fourtrack78
03-03-2006, 11:27 AM
The funny thing is, MB\'s quality actually went up after they merged with Chrysler

True...but its a Chrysler. Their designs are what\'s keeping them in the game.( can you tell i\'m not a Chrysler fan) :p