Anybody else take the TTC to work?

[skunk2]

so who else got screwed this morning?

[majic]

drive in from the west end was unaffected.. same time as on a regular day although coworkers coming from north/east had a bit of delay (yonge was pretty jammed up)

i think i\'ll be leaving early today... how early is early enough tho..

[torpedo20]

was I ever!
Took me forever to get to work from the west.
It\'s a total mess on 401. :(

[bluntman]

The drive into work actually took less time today. I guess it\'s due to the lack of TTC buses clogging up Keele from Steeles to Wilson.

[Broli]

i started driving hit traffic and went home to work from there!

ahhhhhh
great to be a student!

:p

[TheProfessor]

On the way to work my commute was exactly as it usually is.....coming home however might be a different story!

[Cardinal Fang]

Here\'s something for you guys to try.

Go out and deliberately break the law to protest something and then defy a court order to stop your protest. Then note how much time would pass before you would be arrested by the police. Finally, see if your employer would take you back after you decided not to work.

Just a thought....

[TheProfessor]

Originally posted by Cardinal Fang


Here\'s something for you guys to try.

Go out and deliberately break the law to protest something and then defy a court order to stop your protest. Then note how much time would pass before you would be arrested by the police. Finally, see if your employer would take you back after you decided not to work.

Just a thought....

Glad to see that I\'m not the only one thinking along those lines..... my old adage has always been that if you don\'t like your job, quit. There are likely thousands of people who would gladly do it for the same if not less money.

[MaxRPM]

I had no issues driving into work (King & Bay), though I felt sorry the people I saw waiting for the bus/streetcar, obviously they didn\'t listen to the news in the morning.

It\'s time to break the monopoly the TTC has on Toronto. Fire management and the workers. Privatize the system and hire them back if they want on normal wages (no more 60g/yr for selling tickets in a glass booth). Open surface transit to competition and get rid of street cars. Last but not least, keep Moscoe out of civic matters.

[MaxRPM]

Bastard!

http://www.thestar.com/images/thestar/img/060529_ttc_worker_300.jpg

Delete this post, the image isn\'t working. It was a TTC worker in a lawn chair sitting in front of all the parked subways. Front page of the star.

See Neil\'s post below...

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by MaxRPM


Bastard!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/337000-337999/337094_278_full.jpg

Front page of the star.

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by TheProfessor



Glad to see that I\'m not the only one thinking along those lines.....

GET OUT OF MY HEAD YOU FREAK!

;)

[cyberscorpi0]

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN



Originally posted by MaxRPM


Bastard!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/337000-337999/337094_278_full.jpg

Front page of the star.

Double BSTRDS!

took me 2 hours to get to work today!

I feel bad for the people waiting for the bus this morning.

[bluntman]

Will it be the same thing tomorrow?

[SIM SIMMA]

They supposedly want it resolved by today...

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by Jobes


They supposedly want it resolved by today...



When unions respond to these things they remind me of my roomate\'s cat in college. Whenever she wanted out she would give you a look that said....\"give me what I want or I\'ll fark up the screen.\"

[majic]

Originally posted by Jobes


They supposedly want it resolved by today...



this just in.. email at work..



FYI

CityNews has learned that the transit union representing TTC workers has rejected a demand by the Ontario Labour Relations Board that they return to work Monday afternoon.

That means that, at this point, there\'ll be no service for the hundreds of thousands of commuters who rely on the transit system by this evening\'s rush hour.

The T.T.C. was completely shut down Monday morning as a labour dispute between management and workers sparked a surprise walkout. There\'s no word on when the system might be up and running again.

[majic]

and a forward of another email..

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CNW Group Portfolio E-Mail

CITY OF TORONTO

Transmitted by CNW Group on : May 29, 2006 11:08

Transportation contingency measures during TTC disruption



TORONTO, May 29 /CNW/ - During the TTC disruption today the City of
Toronto will adopt certain contingency plans and emergency traffic measures
that will remain in effect throughout the disruption. This will ensure that
all City roads and services will continue to operate as efficiently as
possible. All City services and programs will continue to operate where
possible during the disruption and all permits will continue at City
facilities.
The City has altered traffic signals to ensure the smooth flow of
traffic. As well, all road maintenance and construction operations have been
minimized.
Throughout the disruption, the City of Toronto will ensure that emergency
vehicles and services continue to be available to Torontonians throughout this
disruption. The City is encouraging drivers to \"Keep Right\" when they hear an
emergency vehicle approaching and to clear a path in the middle of the road.
To ensure the highest degree of mobility for emergency vehicles,
motorists are requested to not park or stop on the following routes, as
enforcement will be in place:

<<

- Avenue Road/University Avenue between Lawrence Avenue and Front Street
- Bloor Street/Danforth Avenue between Jane Street and Victoria Park
Avenue
- Yonge Street between Front Street and Steeles Avenue
- Eglinton Avenue between Allen Road and Brentcliffe Road
- Bayview Avenue from Eglinton Avenue to Lawrence Avenue
- Finch Avenue from Highway 400 to Jane Street
- McCowan Road from Eglinton Avenue to Ellesmere Road
- Lawrence Avenue from Markham Road to Brimley Road
- The Queensway from Roncesvalles Avenue to Parkside Drive

>>

The City encourages employers to consider flexible work hours, car
pooling and any other arrangements that may help reduce road congestion during
peak periods. As well, businesses are encouraged to review their scheduled
delivery times to ensure that they have the least impact on traffic on major
roadways.
The City will promptly communicate any changes to the delivery of City
services via the media, the City\'s website, www.toronto.ca and Access Toronto
at 416-338-0338.

<<

Visit our website at www.toronto.ca

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/For further information: Media contacts: Steve Johnston, Sr.
Communications Co-ordinator, (416) 392-4391; Brad Ross, City of Toronto, Media
Relations, (416) 392-8937, (cell) (416) 919-6503/
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[cyberscorpi0]

Apparently the strike or Lock down is over. News conference at 3pm today. :)

[majic]

Originally posted by cyberscorpi0


Apparently the strike or Lock down is over. News conference at 3pm today. :)

yah .. looks like it (http://www.680news.com/news/topstory/article.jsp?content=20060529_085043_5260)

[SIM SIMMA]

A woohoo.

Now I won\'t have to factor in the extra vehicles on the road tomorrow.

:)

[FLIPDADY]

On my way back to work I saw people either waiting for the buses or cooling off b/c of the heat.

Looks like the TTC is back.

[majic]

traffic was lighter than usual.. then again i left at 3:30 :D

[Broli]

Originally posted by TheProfessor



Originally posted by Cardinal Fang


Here\'s something for you guys to try.

Go out and deliberately break the law to protest something and then defy a court order to stop your protest. Then note how much time would pass before you would be arrested by the police. Finally, see if your employer would take you back after you decided not to work.

Just a thought....

Glad to see that I\'m not the only one thinking along those lines..... my old adage has always been that if you don\'t like your job, quit. There are likely thousands of people who would gladly do it for the same if not less money.

i am not sure what the whole story was!
but if someone switched my shift of many years from a day to a night
or if i had to drive a bus and worry about getting stabbed or punched or assulted
i would tell my boss to Fark off

Unions aren\'t all bad, there are bad parts, but in spirit they are good!

[TM3]

I think unions used to be good.. i mean when they all started, workers were actually getting exploited.. but nowadays... not so much... because workers are protected by unions, people slack off and demand job security and better wages??? kind of unfair.

and lots of TTC workers are pricks to the public cause they\'re bitter and know they can\'t get fired.

[billyfo]

Originally posted by majic


traffic was lighter than usual.. then again i left at 3:30 :D

+1 I usually use 427 to HWY 7 around 4:45, always pack w/ 18 wheelers and bunch others back to home, but today I could say no truck on 427, very strange.

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by Broli

i am not sure what the whole story was!
but if someone switched my shift of many years from a day to a night

Job descriptions change constantly in the private sector Broli. People have been told to \"do more with less.\" My job description has changed more than 3 times over 10 years. Should I go out on strike? My point is simple, if the job is not to your liking then leave. Not everyone has a union to protect them and make it nearly impossible to fire someone with cause. Job security my farking ass!

Tell me where in life there is job security? Socialist bull.



Originally posted by Broli
or if i had to drive a bus and worry about getting stabbed or punched or assulted
i would tell my boss to Fark off

And you have that right. The unions have all kinds of channels to bring forward their complaints by legal means. With all due respect Broli this issue of safety is a smoke screen. It\'s been going on for years. Drivers have been assaulted and in the most extreme case killed. They\'ve never brought “safety” up as an issue until two weeks ago. And even then it was brought up because they didn\'t get their way on another issue.

This is a great way to get the public on your side. Fark them over where it hurts. Yeah…I’m going to support these people.

Hey Broli, here’s a little exercise for you. The average TTC driver gets $24.32/hr.(not counting benefits) Do the math to figure out how much that is per year and tell me how you think that compares to the private sector.



Originally posted by Broli
Unions aren\'t all bad, there are bad parts, but in spirit they are good!


Unions pander to the lowest common denominator. That does nothing for productivity but breed a sense of entitlement and complacency. Sorry Broli, my wife\'s part of a union and it disgusts me to read and see the crap they do. The pendulum has swung too far in my opinion.

Reagan had it right in 1981 when the air traffic controlers went on what was considered an illegal strike. He warned them, jailed their leaders and fired the ones that didn\'t return to work. I hate the Republicans but at least he had the guts to do what was right.

[iconicrocket]

Originally posted by Cardinal Fang


Hey Broli, here’s a little exercise for you. The average TTC driver gets $24.32/hr.(not counting benefits) Do the math to figure out how much that is per year and tell me how you think that compares to the private sector.

Unions pander to the lowest common denominator. That does nothing for productivity but breed a sense of entitlement and complacency. Sorry Broli, my wife\'s part of a union and it disgusts me to read and see the crap they do. The pendulum has swung too far in my opinion.



You\'re absolutely correct. Where do I sign-up. :)

[Cardinal Fang]

Being the opinionated farktard that I am I really need to get this off of my chest. Safety at any place of work is important. That’s why laws are enacted. No one should have to put their lives on the line unless they know without any doubt that their job has that risk.

That being said, the issue of the safety of drivers on the TTC is NOT A TTC issue. It’s a City of Toronto issue. Cabbies are assaulted and killed. The average person on any given night can be assaulted and killed. Remember the girl shot on boxing day last year? The incidents of TTC drivers being assaulted are no higher than the general population itself. This little bit of information I remember from an editorial in the Globe and Mail last year. Maybe we as a general population should go on a wildcat strike next week until the government stops the violence directed towards us.

No? What do you mean that’s impractical? The unions can do it why can’t I? I’ll say it again….THE ISSUE OF SAFETY IS A FARKING SMOKE SCREEN!

[majic]

Originally posted by Cardinal Fang


Being the opinionated farktard that I am I really need to get this off of my chest. Safety at any place of work is important. That’s why laws are enacted. No one should have to put their lives on the line unless they know without any doubt that their job has that risk.

That being said, the issue of the safety of drivers on the TTC is NOT A TTC issue. It’s a City of Toronto issue. Cabbies are assaulted and killed. The average person on any given night can be assaulted and killed. Remember the girl shot on boxing day last year? The incidents of TTC drivers being assaulted are no higher than the general population itself. This little bit of information I remember from an editorial in the Globe and Mail last year. Maybe we as a general population should go on a wildcat strike next week until the government stops the violence directed towards us.

No? What do you mean that’s impractical? The unions can do it why can’t I? I’ll say it again….THE ISSUE OF SAFETY IS A FARKING SMOKE SCREEN!


+ infinity

so umm i thought the strike was due to about 40% of the 90-something maintenance workers getting their shifts changed.. hmm and it turned into safety issue? :sarc

well at least they won\'t be able to blow smoke indoors as of midnight :D :zzz

[Flagrum_3]

Originally posted by Cardinal Fang



Originally posted by Broli

i am not sure what the whole story was!
but if someone switched my shift of many years from a day to a night

Job descriptions change constantly in the private sector Broli. People have been told to \"do more with less.\" My job description has changed more than 3 times over 10 years. Should I go out on strike? My point is simple, if the job is not to your liking then leave. Not everyone has a union to protect them and make it nearly impossible to fire someone with cause. Job security my farking ass!

Tell me where in life there is job security? Socialist bull.



Originally posted by Broli
or if i had to drive a bus and worry about getting stabbed or punched or assulted
i would tell my boss to Fark off

And you have that right. The unions have all kinds of channels to bring forward their complaints by legal means. With all due respect Broli this issue of safety is a smoke screen. It\'s been going on for years. Drivers have been assaulted and in the most extreme case killed. They\'ve never brought “safety” up as an issue until two weeks ago. And even then it was brought up because they didn\'t get their way on another issue.

This is a great way to get the public on your side. Fark them over where it hurts. Yeah…I’m going to support these people.

Hey Broli, here’s a little exercise for you. The average TTC driver gets $24.32/hr.(not counting benefits) Do the math to figure out how much that is per year and tell me how you think that compares to the private sector.



Originally posted by Broli
Unions aren\'t all bad, there are bad parts, but in spirit they are good!


Unions pander to the lowest common denominator. That does nothing for productivity but breed a sense of entitlement and complacency. Sorry Broli, my wife\'s part of a union and it disgusts me to read and see the crap they do. The pendulum has swung too far in my opinion.

Reagan had it right in 1981 when the air traffic controlers went on what was considered an illegal strike. He warned them, jailed their leaders and fired the ones that didn\'t return to work. I hate the Republicans but at least he had the guts to do what was right.

I\'m not going to argue your point of view because it\'s obviuosly firm....But...
Do you or have you ever worked for the TTC? If not then you for sure don\'t know the whole story, only what the Politicians and media would like you to know.The true issues have been sideswiped and honestly I can\'t believe that the Ministry of Labour found the Union in violation of the Agreement or of the Law....Reason is that the TTC Commission are the ones that are breaking the agreement with some of the new measures they are trying to implement. Thus placing the union who has been trying, not just for a couple of weeks but for several years to settle these issues, in a position to strike LEGALLY.But putting this information out would tarnish many politians and put their careers in danger that is why TTC workers were ordered back so abruptly.
As for your view of the workers...yes they get paid well but they have to put up with alot.Lousy constantly changing hours and shifts.Aggressive, ignorant, unlawful and abusive customers-I can tell you some stories!A management that clearly cares little about the health and safety of its workers (remember the 8 people + four firefighters that almost lost thier lifes just a couple of months ago),...a management that are constantly trying to make life miserable for its workers...That\'s what these workers have to put up with.

Oh I almost forgot to mention that an Independant task force was aquired by the TTC Commission and our Government to make a study of the workers wages at the TTC (Not of Management Salaries)....thier findings and conclusion, which the Union managed to get a hold of...was simply that TTC employees were paid significantly lower than Transit workers worldwide....go figure!

Thats all.


.

[bluntman]

Originally posted by Flagrum_3




Oh I almost forgot to mention that an Independant task force was aquired by the TTC Commission and our Government to make a study of the workers wages at the TTC (Not of Management Salaries)....thier findings and conclusion, which the Union managed to get a hold of...was simply that TTC employees were paid significantly lower than Transit workers worldwide....go figure!

Thats all.


.

Wow, you really got your panties in a bunch. So much so that you forgot your usual signoff. ;)

_3

[Broli]

I work part time fopr GO Transit on the weekends
has been my weekend job all thru-out school!
and i have kept it cause i can study at work
and it pays well!

I have a union, i don\'t vote, i don\'t go to meetings
mostly because for me this is a job, and not a career

first off the abuse that drivers have to put up with, is more than the occaional physical
abuse, the recieve verbal abuse on a a daily basis,
i don\'t drive a bus
i sell tickets at a GO station, and i could tell u some stories too!
even some that end up with a drunk passanger hitting me!
this aside, i am not afraid for my security at work.
i understand that this is not the issue!

the issue of the changing shifts!

the whole point of a union, is so that changes at work that interfere with ur quality of life
can be opposed!

the way that a unionized company should make changes like this is thru attrition (is that the right word, i.e. when people retire, u hire the replacement to a night shift, the union will accept that!)

sure unions let people think that they can do anything, and aside from stealing money from the company, the union pretty much assures u security, but it is instances like the one facing maintenance workers at TTC, where unions are valuable!


i am not disagreeing with the breeding of laziness amoung union workers, i am simply saying that this case is different!

there are few jobs, where u could be working days for years and then suddenly be shifted to nights!
it is not fair, and the compant doesn\'t have the right to make that change on you!

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by Flagrum_3

I\'m not going to argue your point of view because it\'s obviuosly firm....But...
Do you or have you ever worked for the TTC?

Nope I have not but my first cousin does and I can tell you that some of the things that comes out of my shocks me to no end.


Originally posted by Flagrum_3
If not then you for sure don\'t know the whole story, only what the Politicians and media would like you to know.The true issues have been sideswiped and honestly I can\'t believe that the Ministry of Labour found the Union in violation of the Agreement or of the Law....

You can\'t believe or you DON\'T want to believe? They found them guilty not once but twice. The second time was after the unions appeal. Whether you like it or not the rule of law applies to all not just a few. Again I ask you....do you think YOU could have gotten away with pulling this stunt?



Originally posted by Flagrum_3
Reason is that the TTC Commission are the ones that are breaking the agreement with some of the new measures they are trying to implement. Thus placing the union who has been trying, not just for a couple of weeks but for several years to settle these issues, in a position to strike LEGALLY.But putting this information out would tarnish many politians and put their careers in danger that is why TTC workers were ordered back so abruptly.

Stop right here! Consider the source of YOUR information and then tell me how mine is any less credible than yours. There are always three sides to any story, mine...yours and then the truth. Both sides, yes let me say this for everyone to read, BOTH sides have behaved horribly and for that they need to pay. Not the commuters who go about they\'re daily business.


Originally posted by Flagrum_3
As for your view of the workers...yes they get paid well but they have to put up with alot.Lousy constantly changing hours and shifts.Aggressive, ignorant, unlawful and abusive customers-I can tell you some stories!

Wow! You mean they\'re jobs aren\'t all peaches and cream? I didn\'t know that! Please tell me that you for one don\'t believe they know that before they go and apply for the job.

Hear is my point. They have rights and as such should take EVERY LEGAL means afforded to them to protest. That doesn\'t give them the right to BREAK the law. They do so then they should pay the price. Unions have done a disservice to themselves in the last 20 years by the way they get they\'re message across. You wonder why the public doesn\'t support them? Take a look at their tactics! They haven\'t moved into the 21st century like the rest of us. They are still stuck in the “us vs them” mentality that was so pervasive in the early 1930’s. We have some of the toughest labour laws in the world in Ontario including a government that has never been more pro-labour.

They have the tools but when push comes to shove the resort to the same tactics. Instead of defusing the situation they choose to aggravate it. If I’m coming across as hot under the collar than I apologize. I’m not taking it out on you but I’m pissed!

Now I have to go deal with Broli....

[majic]

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[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by Broli
there are few jobs, where u could be working days for years and then suddenly be shifted to nights!
it is not fair, and the compant doesn\'t have the right to make that change on you!


Of course it\'s not fair! So they should fight Management. They could have taken this issue to the Labour Relations Board. They didn\'t.

Welcome to this place called LIFE Broli. The place where you can do everything right and still be wrong. I went to school for 8 years to get two degrees to land a professional career and guess what? It can be taken away from me in one breath! Is that fair? Broli, I understand what your saying and I can sympathize with what unions have to go through. My father, uncle and Aunt work for unions. My wife is part of a union for God\'s sake and I hear everyday the crap she has to put up with from \"management.\"

But you all skirt the issue. Does this justify the union breaking the law?


Originally posted by majic


http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/655/corn389mw.jpg

Shut up you!

:D

[TheProfessor]

Originally posted by majic


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Tell me about it......good thread :)

[Broli]

Cardi!

of course life isn\'t fair!
and when i go to work when i am done school
i will be in a postion like you!
where it can all be taken away at anytime!

all i am saying is that!
the advantage of a union is
this mechanism to stand up to management!

the ununionized people do not have this mechanism!
and as such do not often get things to go there way!
provided that the company they work for is within the law!


but, where the law ends, there is lots of wiggle room for companies
to jerk around their employees, surely u are familiar with loop holes!

so where the protection of law ends, the union protection begins!
not saying its good or bad, just that it is an advantage over those who don\'t have it!

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by Broli

but, where the law ends, there is lots of wiggle room for companies
to jerk around their employees, surely u are familiar with loop holes!


Let me just say Broli that the \"wide brush\" I use to paint \"unions\" with is the same one you use to paint \"companies\" with. The real truth is somewhere in the middle. NOT as bad as the unions would have you believe and definately NOT as good as the companies want you to believe.


Originally posted by Broli
so where the protection of law ends, the union protection begins!
not saying its good or bad, just that it is an advantage over those who don\'t have it!

You need to read the Labour Relations Act then and tell me where the \"wiggle room\" is. If you don\'t know your rights than you can be taken advantage at any time by either a company or a union.

[SourcE]

my friend works for a hospital.

one of her co-workers is heavily religious.

the co-workers job as a recreational therapist is to provide stuff for long-term patients to do during their time at the hospital.

things like bingo, movies, book clubs, cooking classes, gardening etc.

the \"co-workers\'\" religious beliefs get in the way of her performing her job. she refuses to do the bingo events that the residents want (her reason is god doesn\'t like gambling\", she refuses to get movies the residents want to watch (too much sex, violence etc for her religious beliefs), she refuses to give residents books for the same reasons, she refuses to let the residents cook any non christian/catholic foods, i.e. no indian cuisine due to hindu links.

as such the residents receive very one sided care, and anything they request like the bingo etc gets ignored. she even preaches to non christian/catholics in an attempt to \"convert\" them.

HOWEVER.......

she belongs to a \"union\" and as such cannot be fired without first being warned, then written warnings etc etc...you know trhe drill. the whole process would take at least a year.

the hospital is going through the process but the residents have to put up with piss poor behaviour till then.

I FU%&IN HATE UNIONS, they have way to much power, and when it jepardises other people well being there is NO excuse.

/rant over

[Cardinal Fang]

You spelled FU%&IN wrong.

[Flagrum_3]

Originally posted by bluntman



Originally posted by Flagrum_3




Oh I almost forgot to mention that an Independant task force was aquired by the TTC Commission and our Government to make a study of the workers wages at the TTC (Not of Management Salaries)....thier findings and conclusion, which the Union managed to get a hold of...was simply that TTC employees were paid significantly lower than Transit workers worldwide....go figure!

Thats all.


.

Wow, you really got your panties in a bunch. So much so that you forgot your usual signoff. ;)

_3

I keep telling you people, I don\'t wear panties;) But yes I get a little upset when people talk out of thier ass\'s.


p.s I happen to be on the inside.So my info is first hand.


_3


.

[Broli]

Originally posted by Cardinal Fang



Originally posted by Broli

but, where the law ends, there is lots of wiggle room for companies
to jerk around their employees, surely u are familiar with loop holes!


Let me just say Broli that the \"wide brush\" I use to paint \"unions\" with is the same one you use to paint \"companies\" with. The real truth is somewhere in the middle. NOT as bad as the unions would have you believe and definately NOT as good as the companies want you to believe.


AGREED



Originally posted by Cardinal Fang

Originally posted by Broli
so where the protection of law ends, the union protection begins!
not saying its good or bad, just that it is an advantage over those who don\'t have it!

You need to read the Labour Relations Act then and tell me where the \"wiggle room\" is. If you don\'t know your rights than you can be taken advantage at any time by either a company or a union.

come on now!
u know i won\'t read the Labour Relations Act,
but for instance
i am sure it is within the law to change someones hours, i.e as is the case at hand,
still not fair, and that is where the advantage of a union is!

i see the lazy bstds i work with, and they do nothing at get pretty good pay for it!
hey, as long as they do the bare mimimum, then we cant complain i guess,
the get the job done, they just don\'t give a shit,
its not like they are doctors and hurting people, they get u on ur train or bus, they get u were ur going,
what else can u care about really?
u need a smile? go to mcdonlads, there free!

[MaxRPM]

Broli, the problem is that it\'s tax payers money. I hate ALL unions but I could care less about private sector jobs like Ford, GM etc. What I do care about is public sector unions that my tax dollars pay for and are wasted.


As I said before, privatize the ****ers and open it up to competition. Then we\'ll see how often these workers go on strike and screw the tax payers. As far as I am concerned there should be a class action law suite against the union.

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by Broli


hey, as long as they do the bare mimimum, then we cant complain i guess,




And here is your problem. We live in a society where \"the bare minimum\" is acceptable. Garbage in garbage out.

The next time I go to the hospital for an operation I\'ll wave off the Doctor who graduated tops in his field. \"No I say, bring on the guy that just barely got by. The other guy is an over qualified pertinacious hack!\"

Set your standards low and you’ll never have to be concerned about being surprised. Wow! God how I wish I could do that and stay in business. But hey what do I know; I’m just talking out of my ass again.
:D

[Broli]

come on Cardi!

i even said in my post, if u would care to finish reading it!

\"it is not like they are doctors\"

and they u give a doctor example

serious, doing the job well, which most of them do!

is,

selling the tickets at a reasonable pace, providing customer service where appropriate,
what else is there to it!
i understand that everyone has there story about a bad experience with a ticket seller or smtg

i am always nice to the people i am dealing with, until they are rude to me, and that is where it is nice to be part of a union, i can tell them to fark off, and i won\'t get fired!

hey sometimes people can be ass hats!
so what do u want me to say

this kind of job just needs to be done
sure there are exceptions, but for the most part,
we excel at moving people
and this is done by customer service skills

its not like i can sell tickets faster and faster
or answer more questions and more questions,
i sell what i can sell
and i answer what i can answer
and that is that!

[Broli]

Originally posted by MaxRPM


Broli, the problem is that it\'s tax payers money. I hate ALL unions but I could care less about private sector jobs like Ford, GM etc. What I do care about is public sector unions that my tax dollars pay for and are wasted.


As I said before, privatize the ****ers and open it up to competition. Then we\'ll see how often these workers go on strike and screw the tax payers. As far as I am concerned there should be a class action law suite against the union.

u put ur transit system in the hands of the private sector!
see ur old tattered busses
breaking down on the side of the road
see ur trains getting stuck on the tracks!

public transportation will always have to remain in the publics hands, it is not a buisness
it is a service!

big difference there man!

sure u wont have strikes, but u will have ur ass sitting on the curb waiting for a bus that aint ever coming!
cause that route doesn\'t carry enough people and it not viable to run!!

public transportation systems operate at a loss every year, not only because of paying salaries to employees, it is expensive to travel!

u see what kind of service u get from some teenager show is working for minimum wage to sell u tickets

be realistic!



now . . .

agreed that unions over run their powers, but so be it!
that is the perogtive!
hey man, unions are for the most part filled with simple people
who aren\'t making huge money in more demanding jobs, be happy u can do something else
and not have to work in that kind of a job!

[TheProfessor]

Originally posted by Broli

public transportation systems operate at a loss every year, not only because of paying salaries to employees, it is expensive to travel!



That problem could be easily fixed if transit workers didn\'t get paid what they do and still bitch about their jobs :sarc

I see both sides to this argument, but I cannot ignore the fact that if I don\'t like my job, even if it were only a minute aspect of it, I can walk and there\'ll be a tonne of people waiting in line to take it. If I were to use illegal means of \'venting\' then I would be held responsible (as I should).

[Broli]

pay is not the issue this time!

;)



but yes, they should have taken legal actions!

100% agreed!