So how do you guys feel abou this crack down on \STREET RACING\

[MAZDA Kitten]

This is some crazy shit.

I\'m sure most of you heard by now the crack down on street racing.
Anyone catch the news last night??
I like how the \'profiled\' \"STREET RACERS\"

Here is the breakdown:

*Male
*Between the age of 18 - 24
*Lives with his parents in the suburbs
*Spends a lot of money on \'performance\' mods


HAHAHAH
I laughed. I find it ridiculous. My bf knows 50 year old men with 8 second mustangs and what not that race on the 407.

I believe it was like 34 deaths from \'street racing\' since 1999.
Seriously.
How many deaths have been accounted for by old age drivers? You hear stories about old people running down people and red lights etc etc. How many small children have died because of inproperly installed baby car seats? You get my point.

Articles:
CRIME: STREET RACING (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/crime/street-racing.html)



I take this quote from someone on Vortex:


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Police say 34 people have died as a result of street racing in the Greater Toronto Area since 1999.

34 ppl in 6 years?! geez! they should focus their attention on something more imprtant, like cigrattes kill 200 ppl per day or whatever that commercial said
or how bout:
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between 1997-2005 over three hundred gang-related deaths have occurred.


from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto

what about air polution?
\"Air pollution costs Ontario citizens more than $1 billion a year in hospital admissions, emergency room visits, and ab-senteeism according to the analysis contained in the report. In addition, the report estimates the cost of pain and suffering and loss of life as a result of polluted air. These massive costs amount to billions of dollars for Ontarians.\"
http://www.oma.org/phealth/icap.htm


or improve overall safty on roads,
\"In the Greater Toronto Area, 229 people died in traffic accidents, including 59 in Toronto, in 2005, while 58 people died of gunshot wounds, with 52 in Toronto\"
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/..._Home

im not saying street racing is not a proplem, but geez, there are far better things they could be concentrating harder on
Street Racing: Too fast, too furious (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/crime/street-racing.html)

[TheProfessor]

While I don\'t like how they\'re profiling, I do agree with the more harsh penalties. The problem is that until a track can be built in/around the GTA the problem is not likely going to go away.

[bluntman]

Any initiative to reduce the number of street racing related deaths on our roads is a welcome initiative in my books. Street racing is stupid and dangerous, no matter the age or gender or profile of the driver. Street racing is just part of the larger problem on our streets. This is hopefully a first step to safer roads.

[FLIPDADY]

No matter what they do there will still be street racing. I just hope the police don\'t target \"real\" car enthusiasts who race legally at the track but have modded cars.

[MAZDA Kitten]

But we all know they will. Have they ever really take sides... per say.
With the new law anyone with a modified car who is speeding they can technically say they were \'street racing\'

ANd yes I agree. Harsher penalties are good. I had a high school friend and her boyfriend who died recently because some 30 year old Benz driver ripped their Prelude in half because he was racing down King St downtown Hamilton.

Was he 18? Did he live at home? NO NO NO...

And this is what I\'m scared of. A lot of power is being given that will be abused.

[bluntman]

Let\'s remember that this law was put in place by the federal government since this problem is quite common across the country.

What exactly do the new rules propose? Here\'s a look at the range of charges offenders face now and if the law is passed:

Dangerous Driving - No bodily harm or death:

Now: Summary conviction or imprisonment up to five years

After: the same

(A summary conviction is reserved for the least serious offences in the Criminal Code. In general, it means a fine of up to $2,000 or six months in jail - or both.)

Dangerous Driving causing Bodily Harm

Now: Up to 10 years in prison

After: Up to 14 years in prison



Dangerous Driving causing Death:

Now: Up to 14 years in prison.

After: Potential for lifetime imprisonment



Criminal Negligence causing Bodily Harm:

Now: Up to 10 years in prison.

After: Up to 14 years in prison.



Criminal Negligence causing Death:

Now: Maximum punishment of life in prison

After: same.



What happens to your license if you get caught? Here\'s the rundown:



First Street Racing Conviction

Dangerous Driving - No Bodily Harm or Death: 1 to 3 years

Dangerous Driving causing Bodily Harm: 1 to 10 years

Dangerous Driving causing Death: 1 to 10 years

Criminal Negligence causing Bodily Harm: 1 to 10 years

Criminal Negligence causing Death: 1 year to life



Second Street Racing Conviction:

Dangerous Driving - No Bodily Harm or Death: 2 to 5 years

Dangerous Driving causing Bodily Harm: 2 to 10 years

Dangerous Driving causing Death: Lifetime ban

(Applies only if an offender has two convictions where someone was injured or killed as a result of street racing, and at least one of these offences caused a death .)

Criminal Negligence causing Bodily Harm: 2 to 10 years

Criminal Negligence causing Death: Lifetime ban

(Applies only if an offender has two convictions where someone was injured or killed as a result of street racing, and at least one of these offences caused a death .)



All subsequent street racing convictions:

Dangerous Driving - No Bodily Harm or Death: 3 years to life

Dangerous Driving causing Bodily Harm: 3 years to life.

Dangerous Driving causing Death: Lifetime ban

(Applies only if an offender has three or more convictions where someone was injured or killed as a result of street racing, and at least one of these offences caused a death .)

Criminal Negligence causing Bodily Harm: 3 years to life

Criminal Negligence causing Death: Lifetime ban

(Applies only if an offender has three or more convictions where someone was injured or killed as a result of street racing, and at least one of these offences caused a death .)

Source: Ministry of Justice

[Whos ur dadd]

Originally posted by FLIPSPEED


No matter what they do there will still be street racing. I just hope the police don\'t target \"real\" car enthusiasts who race legally at the track but have modded cars.

+1

A modded car does not make you a street racer. Stupid bureaucrats are kissing up and pulling silly stunts (like this) (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1150367949391&call_pag eid=968256289824&col=968342212737) to garner favourable (and misinformed) public opinion. Just plain stupid.

A track in Toronto (it will never happen by the way - where\'s the frickin land?) won\'t cure stupid bravado.

[bluntman]

Originally posted by MAZDA Kitten


With the new law anyone with a modified car who is speeding they can technically say they were \'street racing\'




That\'s why...be careful.

Seriously, though. Wouldn\'t \"street racing\" require two or more participants?

[majic]

X don\'t kill people.. stupid people kill people

where X = guns, cars, alcohol etc.. it\'s all in how you use X and if you\'re responsible in doing so.. they are going about this in a completely the wrong way.. i wonder if \"street racing\" will be left to the police\'s descression.. another subjective law.. :sarc oh i don\'t like you and your tints are too dark.. here\'s a ticket.. oh these 2 cars accelerated from red too fast (not going 10kph more than the speed limit though) hmm LIFE IN PRISON and cars in the CHOP SHOP..

[Fuman]

Originally posted by TheProfessor
While I don\'t like how they\'re profiling, I do agree with the more harsh penalties. The problem is that until a track can be built in/around the GTA the problem is not likely going to go away.
I think the problem be minimized but it is for sure not going away.
There will always be those kids who think racing on the \"street\" is cool just because the media presents it that way.

I do hope the crack down on the Street Racing scene but the way they are profiling street racers is just wrong.

[bluntman]

First \"racial profiling\" by the police now this! What should we call this? ;)

[FLIPDADY]

Originally posted by bluntman


First \"racial profiling\" by the police now this! What should we call this? ;)
Racer profiling.;)

[TheProfessor]

Originally posted by FLIPSPEED



Originally posted by bluntman


First \"racial profiling\" by the police now this! What should we call this? ;)
Racer profiling.;)

Ricer profiling ;)

[MAZDA Kitten]

Ignorance Profiling

[bluntman]

Currently, the HTA does not clearly define \"street racing\", so be careful. Don\'t swerve in and out of traffic at a high rate of speed. Let\'s keep it in the movies or on the track.

[Nextmod]

lol dont you guys sell the point of this whole thing?

it doesnt matter how many death street racing \"actually\" caused since 1999 or if thats a real problem. we all know that they can spend their time and efford else where to help more people.

but the fact is, if they do a huge crack down on drivers using cell phone or what not, 99% will bitch and wouldnt look up to them. and the media wont even care. but since only less then 1% of the people will mod their cars or street race. its easiler to pick on us and make them look good. is one of those things that they can do to look like they are really helping everyone out, and they are loving it that they are on TV\'s, Magazines, Newspaper, Radio right now.

if they did something like cracking down drinking and driving, its been done before and they wont get the explosure that they are looking for. so once again is all about themselfs.

well atleast thats how I look at it. just wait a month or so. you wont really hear it again.




Opps, lol +1


Originally posted by Whos ur dadd

+1

A modded car does not make you a street racer. Stupid bureaucrats are kissing up and pulling silly stunts (like this) (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1150367949391&call_pag eid=968256289824&col=968342212737) to garner favourable (and misinformed) public opinion. Just plain stupid.

A track in Toronto (it will never happen by the way - where\'s the frickin land?) won\'t cure stupid bravado.

[Zaku_4]

honestly,

who street races? lol

man this just puts more cops on the road which doesnt help people who speed (me included, but not for street racing lol)

[TheProfessor]

You know, I have to add something......I drove around the streets of Toronto for four years with my moderately-modified Civic and not once did I ever get pulled over by the cops or was ever harassed. A lot of it has to do with how you drive IMO. Granted that was a few years ago and there is quite possibly more \'heat\' now, but still.

[Cardinal Fang]

Originally posted by TheProfessor


You know, I have to add something......I drove around the streets of Toronto for four years with my moderately-modified Civic and not once did I ever get pulled over by the cops or was ever harassed. A lot of it has to do with how you drive IMO. Granted that was a few years ago and there is quite possibly more \'heat\' now, but still.

It’s the slippery slope argument. That people inherently think the worst of situations when they arise. I remember having this pow wow with a co-worker about gay marriage and the first thing out of his mouth was..�if they allow this then what’s to prevent me from marrying my cat?�

With every new law there is going to have to be criteria to place against the infraction to judge whether or not a law was broken. What would racing be defined as? How many people would be involved for it to be categorized as a race? What is the responsibility if any, of the people watching this so-called race? These are all questions that would need to be answered in court by lawyers and potentially the appeals courts.

I do agree with harsher sentences for this kind of crime. On that there is no debate. I do worry that it may give the police powers that could be construed as harassment for those car enthusiasts who love to modify their cars. It’s a feel good law. It shows the public that the government is doing something. Go after the easy targets and you can’t go wrong. Stricter enforcement of the current laws could have had the same effect in my opinion.


p.s. My co-worker and his cat are seperated. They\'re seeing a marriage councillor to see if they can work this out.

[dr_sarcasm]

34 deaths since 1999. Really? ... So it would be something like 46 deaths since 1956? LOL, we can go furter back n time to bring out an even bigger number.

I would really like to see the number of street racing related deaths to just trafic related deaths? ... BUT wait, that won\'t make people listen if we told them, \"On average 4 people die dueto street racing activities per year\", cause then people wold say ... Well, who cares then, we got bigger problems to looks after.

As majic, and a coupld of others have said you can give a loaded gun to anyone, and when that person commits the crime, you CANNOT blame the gun for the murder! Gimme a break, let\'s realize the REAL problems here.

This new law seems like more of an \"excuse\" to pull over a visibly modified vehicle, and harass the guy behind the wheels a bit to see if he has any NOS and illegal modifications, without being asked as to why they were pulled over in the first place. The officer will simply say \"suspected street racer\" and with the help of this new law, no one can say anything.

This whole street racing debate is the HOT issue right now, and politicans need to make a spotlight move in order to get votes when the next elections, come around. Governments don\'t really care about the deaths due to street racing. Voters do.

dr_\"Goodnight, and god speed\"_sarcasm

[bluntman]

Don\'t drive around in certain areas of York Region , let alone Vancouver (especially in the Richmond area), the cops around here have been pulling over modified cars and inspecting them for \"dangerous\" or illegal modifications for years.

[SABIO]

It\'s not illegal to have NOS in your car. There are certain rules to follow in regards to where and how it is mounted and it also falls under the Transportation of dangerous goods act.

Put a little sticker on the car saying there is NOS inside. I believe you can also have the system inspected by a ministry official and get a certificate (basically saying you follwed the rules) So if a cop pulls you over you can just flash it and say *Bite me...

[Mica3SGT]

York Region continue to be the laughing stock of the motorized world with their latest demonstration and public spectacle in the destruction of private property. The veiled threat that this action will continue only underscores their wonderlust with new found powers. It absolutely corrupts. Like the juveniles they set out to make examples of, they now have become.

I smell a law suit pending to uphold the true extent of the law. Race at the track (Shannonville, Mosport, Cayuga are nearby) - not on the street - and have respect for everyones right to property. Unless the government wishes to rewrite every law on the books (it\'s easier to grandstand) the slippery slope of intent raises its head. The rights and freedoms of car enthusiasts continue to come under attack unless we shove back.

[SABIO]

F.Y.I

The Civil Forfeiture Law could be used to seize cars. This law was drafted to fight Organised Crime.

The part they are using states.

Civil asset forfeiture permits a court, at the request of the Attorney General, to freeze, seize and forfeit to the Crown assets that are determined to be the proceeds or instruments of unlawful activity. Under the legislation, the court can grant an interim order to freeze assets pending the outcome of the forfeiture proceeding and if it is proved the assets in question are the proceeds or instruments of unlawful activity, the court can issue orders forfeiting the assets to the Crown. In addition, the act allows the court to grant an order for damages or any order necessary to prevent or reduce the risk of injury to the public, where the court finds a conspiracy to engage in unlawful activity that has or likely will cause injury to the public. It is not based on any criminal conviction, but only on the connection between property and unlawful activity.

So they are not goning to stop you and say you have becuase you have a C.A.I and and exhuast you are a *Street Racer* and seize your car. They can\'t.

If they catch you *racing another car* then they can go through the court system and they have to prove that the car has been modified solely for the purpose of *Street Racing*...

[Mica3SGT]

Most traffic on the public 400 series highways could be construed as organized street racing at high speeds above posted limits - interesting interpretation if these vehicles were to be impounded enmass once entering York Region as it takes more than one vehicle to sanction a street race.

The 407ETR has become the newest racetrack in Ontario after drivers shell out the mandatory entrance/exit fees. I hear they are widening portions to account for the added \"interest\".:sarc

[Nextmod]

Originally posted by Mica3SGT


Most traffic on the public 400 series highways could be construed as organized street racing at high speeds above posted limits - interesting interpretation if these vehicles were to be impounded enmass once entering York Region as it takes more than one vehicle to sanction a street race.

The 407ETR has become the newest racetrack in Ontario after drivers shell out the mandatory entrance/exit fees. I hear they are widening portions to account for the added \"interest\".:sarc

well every time I am on there everyone is going 160KM anyways lol