Counteract Electronic Rust Protection System

[queens49]

Hi,
I get emails from CTC, and the featured product was this (link below)
http://www.canadiantire.ca/assortments/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444329 2139&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396670114&bmUID= 1156514711629

The dealership in London that I got my car from was offereing a similar device, can\'t remember if it was the same brand...anyways, it was ~$500 installed. Has anybody had any experiences with this device. This technology was discussed in an IEEE magazine (an industry magazine for Electrical and Electronic engineers), so the technology isn\'t a scam. I\'m contemplating picking one up, since it\'s transferrable between vehicles, so a one time price of $200+tax is sounding like a good investment for preventing rust.

Any thoughts?

[TheProfessor]

Your link is taking me to the main CTC webpage.

[queens49]

Don\'t know why CTC makes it hard for people to link to their products. Here\'s the link to a manufacturer, http://www.counteractrust.com/

That name you mentioned Flipspeed doesn\'t sound familiar. I guess there are quite a few brands out there now. Any experience/comments on it?

[FLIPDADY]

Haven\'t really had any feedback on this item since you can\'t really see the module doing it\'s thing. Only indicator is the LED light on the module itself.

[Jeff-TheBiz]

Originally posted by queens49

The dealership in London that I got my car from was offereing a similar device, can\'t remember if it was the same brand...anyways, it was ~$500 installed.

The one at Canadian Tire works on the same premise but has a lower output than the ones the dealership offers, I should also mention that when purchased at a dealership it comes with a lifetime warranty. (depending on dealership)


Originally posted by queens49
Has anybody had any experiences with this device. This technology was discussed in an IEEE magazine (an industry magazine for Electrical and Electronic engineers), so the technology isn\'t a scam. I\'m contemplating picking one up, since it\'s transferrable between vehicles, so a one time price of $200+tax is sounding like a good investment for preventing rust.

Any thoughts?

It is the same technology that they put on bridges with submerged braces to prevent rust and on boats to repel crustations.


** Best application to put on a USED Vehicle to stop the rust that is already happening.

[DeLaY_NoMoRe]

This sounds pretty good to me, but how does it really work? I checked out the CTC website, $199.99 seems to be a decent price, but how complicate is the installation though? or it is included w/the purchase?

[Jeff-TheBiz]

Originally posted by DeLaY_NoMoRe


This sounds pretty good to me, but how does it really work? I checked out the CTC website, $199.99 seems to be a decent price, but how complicate is the installation though? or it is included w/the purchase?

It is a very simple install.. 3 wires, tops.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by TheBiz


It is the same technology that they put on bridges with submerged braces to prevent rust and on boats to repel crustations.




difference between the submerged braces and a boat from the body of a car is that both the braces and the part of the boat where crustations developed are submerged in water (or an environment that has enough electrical ions to conduct electricity)

i doubt air has the electrical ions necessary to protect a car.

the process, however, is widely used in other parts of industry.

google \"Cathodic protection\" for more reading such as: this (http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/CP/Introduction.htm) or this - impressed current cathodic protection, which is used for tanks and pipes buried underground (http://www.electricity.state.mn.us/El_codes/Ecs_bull/ICCP_SYS.html), etc.

more reading: 1 (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=447518), Corrosion Protection paper written by the Auto/Steel Partnership (http://www.a-sp.org/database/custom/cprotection/CorrosionProtection.pdf).

just so people don\'t say that i\'m getting all my info from Google, my grandfather got this on his Toyota truck in 1987 and it did indeed rust...the technology for this thing is no different now than in 1987.

[TheProfessor]

You can always count on Majestic to come up with some awesome technical info....thanks!

[queens49]

Great info Majestic. I decided to do some more research on my own before I considered buying it, and this is what I found,

http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/homework/s95524.htm

http://www.cartalk.com/content/columns/Archive/1997/March/13.html

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=447518

In short, it basically says that yes, the technology/science behind it works, but it doesn\'t work on vehicles. Until, there are verifiable tests done by independent labs, and not the manufacturers of the product, I\'m going to stay clear of it.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by TheProfessor


You can always count on Majestic to come up with some awesome technical info....thanks!

Thanks guys :) should also mention that the steel that cars are made from are galvanized with zinc in much the same way.

[Skarbro]

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN



Originally posted by TheProfessor


You can always count on Majestic to come up with some awesome technical info....thanks!

Thanks guys :) should also mention that the steel that cars are made from are galvanized with zinc in much the same way.
That\'s only true for newer cars (like 1990+). Older cars weren\'t made of galvonized steel and rusted much faster.

[crunchie46]

I don't believe this product works. It only works for bridges and boats since they are fully submerged in water. This completes the circuit. Air isnt sufficient enough to complete the circuit. I was going to get one but i decided not to after reading this article and talking to a some engineers. You decide.

http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/carCP.htm

[EvilEric]

Reminds me of the electronic mosquito repeller. Great idea but never actually seems to work.

[rcd001]

This type of device is used for many different things. I used to be a pipeline welder/steamfitter before becoming a project manager. We use it to protect underground steel pipes from corrosion. It does not stop corrosion, but it slows down the process for it forming.

Eg. Mazda 3 with no protection should have no signs of surface rust for at least 7 years unless you live an Ocean. Adding this device to your car could add more time, how much is not known.

Your car does transfer voltage through it. Pretty much any steel component is grounded, so the current would transfer.

I have one on mine and will see. I feel that rust protection chemicals are a scam anyways. They won't repair unless a hole forms. I had a 98 Honda Accord, parked outside every day and very min. rust after 10 years on the road.

[1stMazda]

you dont need the water to complete the circuit, you still hace a + and - phase, if it didint connect the circuit the little LED wouldnt come in. I work at the Darlington Nuclear station and talked to lots of engineers about it and there are mixed reviews, some say it wokrs, some say it doesnt, I believe it does so i got it, you can ask me in 10 years if it works lol

[andytam]

do you think this would screw around with the buddy condenser?

[Wild Weasel]

http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/car-electronic-rust.htm

Found that in a quick search. I'm sure you can find more detailed debunking if you try harder.