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Like i said to Flippy,
We've been working on a module that bypass the daytime running light and forward it to high beam, and when low beam is activated, the hids comes on.
And I am proud to announce we have a working prototype. No need to tap into the positive of the battery for power, or get a signal with a relay from the signal light. All power are drawn from the factory wirings. No need for fog mod for day time running light, unless u prefer it.
For those that have hids install with the signal light to trigger a relay, when you install an alarm, the alarm will cause the hids to flicker. This will solve that issue.
The module will be brought to MoT to verify its content, and that it is merely a on off switch and have no effect on the car's wiring.
The unit will be put to a 2 weeks stress test before going into production.
DrunknFoo
11-15-2006, 02:26 AM
That's great news, definately keep us posted.
royroy
11-15-2006, 02:36 AM
nicee =P
RedRaptor
11-15-2006, 10:22 AM
Sounds very good...but about 2 years too late for me? This would have been useful for me Nov 2004. ;)
FLIPDADY
11-15-2006, 01:22 PM
Can't wait to see it.
Chuckie
11-15-2006, 03:46 PM
*Standing in line to get it*
as long as it doesn't cost an arm + leg.
queens49
11-15-2006, 03:47 PM
Wow, that's awesome news.
Chuckie
11-15-2006, 03:52 PM
the 07's have highbeam drls right?
im just thinking about that.. considering where the highbeam is, wouldn't that look a bit wierd?
RedRaptor
11-15-2006, 03:57 PM
the 07's have highbeam drls right?
im just thinking about that.. considering where the highbeam is, wouldn't that look a bit wierd?
Pic taken back in 2004. But here, you be the judge. :)
http://www.geocities.com/redraptorto/HID/mz3HBdrl.jpg
Kevin@nextmod
11-16-2006, 10:43 AM
Is there a way i can run highbeams with low beams together? Just like the type R integras back in the days?
I really like the look of yellow in the middle and HIDs for low beams. I know i can do that now but i want to do it legally as in making the highbeams not so bright and also have fogs running as welll.
I can definitely customize the module to do that for you. We can even control the dimness of the high beam to lets say 30% less than the actual high beam when it is running with the headlight, and 100% when you want to.
Kevin@nextmod
11-16-2006, 02:05 PM
Sweet. Then i guess i can get a good price on that right? *wink wink*
of course we shall discuss that later.
but if you are really interested, we would have to customize part of the circuit for you. But from the way the module is design, i dun see it as a problem.
ArManI
11-17-2006, 02:54 AM
wow happy to hear that, i installed my HID without relais so i have to manually switch it on every time before turn on the car, kinda annoying
and i am currently looking forward to get a relais, but if ur module can solve that flicking problem, i'll definetly go for it as long as it is cheaper than a relais :D
Jeff-TheBiz
11-17-2006, 09:28 AM
I can definitely customize the module to do that for you. We can even control the dimness of the high beam to lets say 30% less than the actual high beam when it is running with the headlight, and 100% when you want to.
Okay, I am sold... How Long.
majic
11-17-2006, 09:35 AM
I can definitely customize the module to do that for you. We can even control the dimness of the high beam to lets say 30% less than the actual high beam when it is running with the headlight, and 100% when you want to.
Okay, I am sold... How Long.
and how much :)
We're still perfecting the module...
Maybe 1-2 weeks? Then we will need some test vehicles. It seems like the voltage flucuates alot and different from car to car.
queens49
11-17-2006, 07:41 PM
We're still perfecting the module...
Maybe 1-2 weeks? Then we will need some test vehicles. It seems like the voltage flucuates alot and different from car to car.
I'm not sure how your module works, but have you considered using voltage regulators in the circuit to eliminate the problem?
on our 2nd prototype, we used a voltage regulator, ironically... it made everything more unstable.
we're on our 3rd prototype, without a voltage regulator but a different circuit that is approx the same. Hopefully it will make everything universal and stable.
McGuyver_3
11-18-2006, 09:54 PM
Hey XG3
Just had some questions to clarify. You say the module lets the highbeams be the drls. My main question is will the highbeams(drl's in this case) turn off when the lowbeam lights are activated like the 07's? From what i understand it does but i want to be sure. Also when released how much do u think they will retail for? Do you think i could be one of your test vehicles because i will soon have oem xenons in my car (i am retrofitting them) and i want it to be as close to stock as possible.
thanks
Dan
queens49
11-19-2006, 02:06 AM
on our 2nd prototype, we used a voltage regulator, ironically... it made everything more unstable.
we're on our 3rd prototype, without a voltage regulator but a different circuit that is approx the same. Hopefully it will make everything universal and stable.
What kinds of problems were you having with the regulator?
my_mazda3, yes the DRL (highbeam) will turn off as soon as the xenon comes on. It will be exactly like the 07's.
The problem we are having right now is, the mazda3 voltage and current fluacuates alot. Thanks to a shitty alternator. Therefore depending with what kind of power draw there are on the car, the headlights power will also be different. The current module does what it does just fine if u fine tune it while the car is on, but as soon as other things are turn on such as the rear window heater, it gets buggy. Hopefully by next few weeks, we will have a finished product.
McGuyver_3
11-19-2006, 10:28 AM
my_mazda3, yes the DRL (highbeam) will turn off as soon as the xenon comes on. It will be exactly like the 07's.
The problem we are having right now is, the mazda3 voltage and current fluacuates alot. Thanks to a shitty alternator. Therefore depending with what kind of power draw there are on the car, the headlights power will also be different. The current module does what it does just fine if u fine tune it while the car is on, but as soon as other things are turn on such as the rear window heater, it gets buggy. Hopefully by next few weeks, we will have a finished product.
HMMMMM that sucks please keep me up to date on how the situation unfolds
thanks
my_mazda3
Okay.. our prototype v4 is a great success, still last bug to work out, but if i never tell you what it is, you may never encounter it, however, since we're experimenting with all possible working and faulty cases that may happen, we want to be perfect.
Other changes we made are..
Takes more than 2mins to install, maybe 20mins. This is due to the fact we changed the design, now the module DOES NOT have to tap into any car wirings, is all plug and play. The module itself will get power from each power source. Yes, Left headlights will get power from it original connectors and so on, so there are 4 power sources for this module. Why? No need to worry about fuse blowings or extra load on any connectors.
The control unit itself also use socket design, so if it does run into any problem or a future upgrade, it simply unplugs, and plug in the new module.
The DRL can also be wired to the Fog light rather than the high beam.
There is 1 control units for both sides, so you have to run a wire across from left to ride so they are connected.
We're almost ready to go. This prototype will be presented to MoT on monday.
McGuyver_3
11-19-2006, 04:01 PM
Okay.. our prototype v4 is a great success, still last bug to work out, but if i never tell you what it is,* you may never encounter it, however, since we're experimenting with all possible working and faulty cases that may happen, we want to be perfect.
Other changes we made are..
Takes more than 2mins to install, maybe 20mins. This is due to the fact we changed the design, now the module DOES NOT have to tap into any car wirings, is all plug and play. The module itself will get power from each power source. Yes, Left headlights will get power from it original connectors and so on, so there are 4 power sources for this module. Why? No need to worry about fuse blowings or extra load on any connectors.
The control unit itself also use socket design, so if it does run into any problem or a future upgrade, it simply unplugs, and plug in the new module.
The DRL can also be wired to the Fog light rather than the high beam.
There is 1 control units for both sides, so you have to run a wire across from left to ride so they are connected.
We're almost ready to go. This prototype will be presented to MoT on monday.
Sweet let me know what happens
my_mazda3
queens49
11-19-2006, 05:51 PM
my_mazda3, yes the DRL (highbeam) will turn off as soon as the xenon comes on. It will be exactly like the 07's.
The problem we are having right now is, the mazda3 voltage and current fluacuates alot. Thanks to a shitty alternator. Therefore depending with what kind of power draw there are on the car, the headlights power will also be different. The current module does what it does just fine if u fine tune it while the car is on, but as soon as other things are turn on such as the rear window heater, it gets buggy. Hopefully by next few weeks, we will have a finished product.
You posted that v4 seems to be working great and that you'll be bringing it to MoT soon. I'm pretty curious, because I was thinking of building a unit myself, because I'm pretty lazy and I didn't want to have to turn the fog lights on during the day for DRLs, and so I wanted something like what you guy have made. Work got really hectic, and I never got the time to get HIDs, so the project was put on hold.
For your voltage/current problem, did you try using reservoir capacitors? I'm working on an audio power amplifier project, and the voltage and current requirements are always changing, so in the power supply, there are reservoir capacitors that provide the required power at all times. I think reservoir capacitors would work to eliminate the power problems. If you do end up trying the reservoir caps, be sure to have bleeder resistors to dissipate the stored energy when the unit is turned off, don't want anybody to get shocked if they accidentlly touch it. If you need any help or anything about this, let me know. More than happy to help
We have thought about capacitors, but that is our last resort, as we feel that there are better way to fix the problem, or do the circuit differently. Think capacitors would work great in the audio scenerio.
havn't had time to go up to MoT, but will do so soon... Was also fine tuning the module.. but after 3-days.. seems to be perfect.
McGuyver_3
11-24-2006, 07:29 PM
havn't had time to go up to MoT, but will do so soon... Was also fine tuning the module.. but after 3-days.. seems to be perfect.
aaaaaa i need to know when this module is available because my oem xenons finally came in and i want to retrofit my car with them and want to make the car as stock as possible
thanks
my_mazda3
queens49
12-14-2006, 06:05 PM
How's the progress of this module?
As well, I was wondering how you are lowering the intensity of the high beams? I believe it was mentioned in previous posts that the intensity can be lowered as much as we want. Are you using a PWM to lower the intensity or the simpler way of using a dropping resistor in the ground leg? I was reading on another forum, and it was saying that for halogen bulbs, the voltage can only vary by 10% from the stock voltage or the bulb will start "sooting"
azn_outlaw
01-17-2007, 11:07 PM
any updates on this module?
delayin my purcahse of HID's...due to my curiosity of having the daytime running lights as my highbeams...
which also gives me a chance to Have yellow high beams/DRL's :)
Update?
So you can route it to the fog light?
Is the DRL high beam half power or full power?
If it's a reasonable price, I'm in asap.
McGuyver_3
01-24-2007, 08:30 PM
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Xenon
02-06-2007, 01:57 PM
Patience is a virtue people....
...that some don't have (jks)
i am still around and working on the module..
i believe someone msg'ed me before, and i gave them a status update.
the module is 95% working... just 1 more bug that needs to be work out and i am going to rebuild it.
yes, the voltage is only 10% difference, thats the main problem... 10% out of 12v is merely.. 1-1.2v which is difficult for the sensor to differentiate intitally, but we worked that out.
To the question about 1/2 power to fog, no the DRL is actually only 10% less in term of voltage, however u can route the DRL to the fog.
FLIPDADY
02-07-2007, 01:38 AM
Thanks for the update.
maxsensation
02-07-2007, 02:44 AM
this would be a nice mod, i guess i will be holding up on the indpendent fog light mod and getting the relay harness!
when do u think this willbe ready by?
yes, the voltage is only 10% difference, thats the main problem... 10% out of 12v is merely.. 1-1.2v which is difficult for the sensor to differentiate intitally, but we worked that out.
To the question about 1/2 power to fog, no the DRL is actually only 10% less in term of voltage, however u can route the DRL to the fog.
So if this is routed to the highbeam like on 2007 models, we won't blind anybody?
What kind of prices are we looking at, please tell me its gonna be less than 100$ (a decent amount less).
Alot of cars have their high beam as DRL. In the middle of the day, do you think ur high beam is brighter than the sun? I have been driving around with the module, havn't had any trouble.
I can tell you right now, the module will be very close to $100(+/- 15%)
Do you need another test bed? ;)
We have a AA meet at commerce today right? or TimeSquare.. i don't know. I will try to make it there and some of you guys to see it.
Basically its like a 07.
oh wait.. it was yesterday.. haha maybe next week.
Oh yah.. one more thing, i was busy at work lately so we didn't have a chance to improve it. However, last night my speakers went retarded, so while we were fixing that, we also opened up the box to make the next revision. The new one should fix all the problems i am have noticed so far. And once it works in my car, we will test it on 2 others at a cheap price. Then a group buy is in order. Thank you for being posted.
PS. I saw someone posting that I was developing this with Lockdown, NO WE ARE NOT.
maxsensation
03-22-2007, 09:55 PM
so any updates of what happening with this project?
baymoe
03-23-2007, 12:30 AM
Show us a picture of your prototype. You've kept us in suspense for far too long, I'm itching to see what the module even look like.
Walrus
03-23-2007, 06:56 AM
Alot of cars have their high beam as DRL. In the middle of the day, do you think ur high beam is brighter than the sun? I have been driving around with the module, havn't had any trouble.
No.. all vehicles that use high beams as DRL have the high beams running at half voltage, by sending power through them in series instead of parallel.
queens49
03-23-2007, 09:07 AM
No.. all vehicles that use high beams as DRL have the high beams running at half voltage, by sending power through them in series instead of parallel.
You sure about that? If the power to halogen bulbs are off by more than 10% of the rated voltage, the bulbs will start to soot. The 2 ways I know of for DRL circuits is to switch in a dropping resistor in the ground leg, or use PWM to effectively lower the voltage. The voltage drops are no more than 10% though.
Xerox
03-23-2007, 09:15 AM
You sure about that? If the power to halogen bulbs are off by more than 10% of the rated voltage, the bulbs will start to soot. The 2 ways I know of for DRL circuits is to switch in a dropping resistor in the ground leg, or use PWM to effectively lower the voltage. The voltage drops are no more than 10% though.
I'm not an electrical engineer so I have no electrical knowledge on how it might be done but I'm fairly certain that it is low intensity high-beams when used as DRLs.
queens49
03-23-2007, 11:42 AM
I'm not an electrical engineer so I have no electrical knowledge on how it might be done but I'm fairly certain that it is low intensity high-beams when used as DRLs.
Well, it is not as bright, so say the power is typically 12V, for the DRL using either way (dropping resistor or PWM), the voltage to the bulbs is now ~10.8V. Just as XG3 said, no matter how bright the high-beams are, you are not really going to be bothered by it, because the sunlight is so much brighter.
Jeff-TheBiz
03-23-2007, 01:36 PM
No.. all vehicles that use high beams as DRL have the high beams running at half voltage, by sending power through them in series instead of parallel.
Series instead of parallel?? But that means if a bulb goes out, neither of them would come on... Not sure if that is right.
I know they are at half or less.. but still in parallel IIRC
maxsensation
03-25-2007, 03:03 AM
any up dates from the maker of this product?
chinsterr
03-29-2007, 08:21 AM
Series instead of parallel?? But that means if a bulb goes out, neither of them would come on... Not sure if that is right.
yup that is correct. Unless modification are made to the series so that each bulb can still run independently.
maxsensation
05-01-2007, 09:55 PM
anything happening with this unit?
Nothing yet :(
Xg3, I'm ready and rarin to go when you're ready ;)
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