View Full Version : Ind. Fog Mod during really cold days/nights
When it is really really cold like last night my fog lights don't automatically turn off like normal after 30 seconds or so. I have to manually turn them off. It has happened 3 or 4 times this year so far and it happened 2 times last year. It is fine all spring/summer/fall but winter is an issue when it is -10 or colder.
Does anyone else have this issue? Not a biggie. I guess I am just bringing it up incase it happens to someone else & they don't catch it and come back to a dead battery.
Steven
02-04-2007, 03:15 PM
sometimes mine take more than 30sec or sometimes more, but it always turn off eventually.....sometimes it would be on for like 2 minutes or so....who did your independent fog? Lockdown?
royroy
02-04-2007, 04:00 PM
i dun think mine got any problems yet....
Yep lockdown. Ya I went into futureshop last week to get a lcd tv and when I came out 30 mins later they were still on. :( thats when I knew it was still a problem. When it is cold only.
doughboyr6
02-04-2007, 05:31 PM
haven't had that problem....i park my car outside too.
ive only had the hids installed for about 3 weeks...and they shut off usually in about 15 secs or so
infact one of my HIDs shut off too, yesterday, was quite worried, but it came back on. Juan checked it out and figures probably loose connection, but when the socket/cap was taken off, it looked burned??
I think i might have to take it in to Lockdown again to check...
i understand that it was initially my fault that i picked the D2S kit instead of a rebased kit...and that gave them a bit of trouble....they had to take my housings out to install. I just feel like i've spent so much $ on the kit/install and its not perfect and that bothers me.
1stMazda
02-04-2007, 05:36 PM
faulty relay?
JPAV8S4U
02-04-2007, 09:34 PM
OK... im not a techy like some on this board. That being said, my Fogs have a mind of their own as well. When I was at Lockdown to get my Navi put in, I ask Jeff about this issue as mine have stayed on for quite a few minutes before. He told me that the ecu needs to shut down for the fogs to shut off.... Im not sure why the ecu would need to be on longer/shorter based on outside temps... but it does aparently. Maybe someone could shed some light on the issue? Paging Jeff Bates :)
FLIPDADY
02-04-2007, 10:08 PM
Apprently it has something to do with when the throttle body winds down. Maybe on colder days it takes longer.
Biz jump on this thread bro.
Xenon
02-04-2007, 10:25 PM
I can confirm that this problem occurs. I was filling up fuel today and I turned my car off. My HIDs (which are controlled by my independent fog mod) stayed on during the whole refueling (which had to have taken at least 3-5 minutes).
outside temp was around -15 C.
Always right before my lights shut off I hear a sound (quiet like a switch or something) and then right after my ind fog mod lights go off. When cold it makes that noise... and stays on... Oh well only another month of this then they'll work like a charm again :)
doughboyr6
02-04-2007, 11:42 PM
^^^ same here....i here a switch or a winding noise also, this has only been since the indy fog mod....but again, doesnt' seem to be big enough of a problem for me to get bent over...its more of the install of the actual HIDs
Its the motor pumping gas out of the lines, becasue our car is pressurized. There is another thread on it somewhere, about noises when our car shuts down. Colder weather means it must take longer.
Donutz
02-05-2007, 08:59 AM
Its the motor pumping gas out of the lines, becasue our car is pressurized. There is another thread on it somewhere, about noises when our car shuts down. Colder weather means it must take longer.
+1 for the fuel pump comment as it relates to the sounds you are hearing after the car is shut off.
My fogs tend to shut off in a reasonable amount of time. I have the same mod from Lockdown. I find that the lights can take up to 2 minutes to turn off, but I've never had them stay on longer; knock on wood.
What ever happened to that modul one memeber was creating that was a different independent mod?
MajesticBlueNTO
02-05-2007, 10:48 AM
What ever happened to that modul one memeber was creating that was a different independent mod?
that was for highbeam DRL, IIRC....and it was xg3 working with Lockdown to submit a prototype to Joe at MOT for validation, if i remember that part correctly. :)
yes yes yes, i want (even if I dont have xenons)
mit-gee-mui
02-05-2007, 09:16 PM
Its the motor pumping gas out of the lines, becasue our car is pressurized. There is another thread on it somewhere, about noises when our car shuts down. Colder weather means it must take longer.
Not sure if it's this one you're talking about.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=15949&highlight=pressure+noise
What ever happened to that modul one memeber was creating that was a different independent mod?
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=15352&page=2
He seems to have left us all on the edge of our seats.
Not sure if it's this one you're talking about.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=15949&highlight=pressure+noise
Not the one I'm thinking, I tried searching for it. Ah well. Thx MGM
lukel90
02-05-2007, 11:19 PM
ive just recently had this problem as well...i never had a problem in the winter until this year..2nd year with the fogs....when its really cold or i just start up the car to move it from on spot on the driveway to another the fogs wont turn off until the car is warmed up completely....its really weird...WTF is this ....i checked all the connections and everything is fine..or seems fine ..but when my car is cold or its reall really cold outside i have to turn them off manually....its not that big of a problem, but id like to know whats casuing this to happen.....it didnt happen that last 2 years and i didnt add anything to my car......i hope its not a start to a bigger problem..
Sorry to say this but I am glad I am not alone! If you come up with a solution PM me!
This looks to bed the eventual solution:
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...t=15352&page=2 (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=15352&page=2)
LOCKDOWN-P5
02-07-2007, 11:32 AM
Hello Everyone
This is the first time we have heard of this problem but we have an idea on what is causing it.
The relay for the independent foglight has a trigger wire running to a spot in the fuse box towards the front of the vehicle. If you pop the underhood fuse box cover off you will see this connection, which consists iof one wire run to the front of the box.
The connection that this is, is an ignition feed that has a timed shutoff to it. It would appear that in the extreme cold the timed portion is taking longer than the 15 - 30 seconds it normally takes to shut the circuit down. This connection is used to trigger the coil of the relay, and is required to shut off in order to turn the fogs off.
The only fix that we can think of is to change the ignition feed to a circuit that goes off with the key located elsewhere in the fusebox. The reason behind not doing this in the first place is that since day one of this modification the circuit that ALL independent foglight modifications have used for the positive side of the coil has been this connection at the front of the fusebox. If we used another circuit for this connection, the modification price would have to go up, an extra diode would be required, and the time the modifcation would take would be increased. There have been no issues with the current method of installation until this issue was brought up.
We assume that the circuit this ignition line is part of has to do with either the throttle body or fuel system of the vehicle which is timed to shut off after everything else due to an engineered design for the car. What is happening is that the car is keeping the circuit on longer in the cold for some reason, the reason being something we do not know of as of yet.
FLIPSPEED or anyone affiliated with Mazda directly, can we get a circuit diagram of some sort to see what this circuit is controlled by, and also in the extreme cold how long the circuit takes to turn off?
Once we know this information we can more accurately determine the best course of action.
In the meantime, the foglights WILL shutoff, the circuit does not continually stay on and your battery will NOT be drained.
On any of the mods we have done here at LOCKDOWN, only your foglights should be staying on, NOT your HID kit. We have never used the foglight circuit to switch HID kits on and off, these two systems are ALWAYS kept separate in our installations here at LOCKDOWN.
Please call us with any questions at (647)-435-5896. We will continue to monitor this post and try to obtain some vehicle tech information on this.
Regards
LOCKDOWN Enterprises Inc.
LOCKDOWN-P5
02-07-2007, 11:47 AM
Hello Everyone
Just to clarify, it is NOT LOCKDOWN that is working on the new modification for the MOT regarding the headlight and DRL system on the Mazda3.
We are not affiliated in any way in regards to that.
In regards to DoughboyR6
Please call us anytime with any questions or concerns regarding your kit. As you were aware, the D2S bulbs and the adapters you had were not 100% compatible with the Mazda3 housing, hence the need to remove your housings and basically custom fit the bulbs. There were no other options in your case, and you were aware of this as we went through everything STEP BY STEP before we perfromed the modifications. If you are noticeing an issue CALL US, by not calling us we cannot help you!!
I wish that everything that everyone brought to us would fit 100% perfect everytime, but that is simply not the case. There are so many variables and differences to all the multitudes of products out there that we have to work with what is given to us to work with. That is what we did on DoughboyR6s car, and we informed him about the issues and the solutions we had every step of the way BEFORE we did various steps of the installation. I know this because it WAS me who did the work and mounted the bulbs.
As a side note to everyone here on the boards, we recommend to NOT USE D2S kits on the Mazda3 due to the fitment issues that occur with both the bulbs, AND the connector on the rear of the bulbs. The connectors that most D2S bulbs use are VERY difficult to fit on the Mazda3 housing. D2R bulbs are the best way to go on the Mazda3 to avoid potential problems.
Regards
Jeff Bates
LOCKDOWN Enterprises Inc.
MajesticBlueNTO
02-07-2007, 12:53 PM
As a side note to everyone here on the boards, we recommend to NOT USE D2S kits on the Mazda3 due to the fitment issues that occur with both the bulbs, AND the connector on the rear of the bulbs. The connectors that most D2S bulbs use are VERY difficult to fit on the Mazda3 housing. D2R bulbs are the best way to go on the Mazda3 to avoid potential problems.
Regards
Jeff Bates
LOCKDOWN Enterprises Inc.
D2R bulbs are for Reflector housings
D2S bulbs are for Projector housings
are you talking about non-rebased D2S bulbs being fitted onto the Mazda3 Halogen projector housing?
sp3GT
02-07-2007, 03:17 PM
HEy everyone,
I'm experieincing the opposite to you guys. When it's colder I've noticed my fog lights turn off faster then normal. Usually my fogs take around 10 seconds to turn off. But now it turns off around 3- 5 seconds much faster. I park my car outsided 24/7.
I didn't get my independent fog mod done at lockdown though. I followed the instructions from the M3F forum.
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