Mazda 3 GT With Fujita CAI

[Zubbie]

Ok, got my intake installed today... and also decided to get my car on a dyno!
I don't have my digital camera right now, but as soon as i get it back I will show the dyno results but for now i'll just tell u the results.

first run (no cai)
Max HP = 123.46
Max Torque = 130.76

Second run (with Fujita Cold Air Intake)
Max HP = 134.38!
Max Torque = 139.75!

Final Results 10.92 HP Gain!! and 8.99 Torque Gain!!

Sorry about the double post, didn't know which forum to put it into.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/zub88/100_0022.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/zub88/100_0020.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/zub88/100_0021.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/zub88/100_0019-1.jpg

[Zubbie]

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/zub88/Car/?action=view&current=27-02-07_1624.flv
I took a video of my car on the dyno (with my camera phone so it's pretty crappy, but u can still here the intake especially in 4th gear)

[sp3GT]

A 10 hp gain is really good. I'm considering getting a CAI but I don't know what to get yet. I was considering going the cheap way and buy a e-bay intake and slap on a AEM filter or something.

[chinsterr]

10 hp gain to the wheels is AMAZING !!!! and just from a CAI !?!?!? I would like to see the dyno graph to see the powerband

[Zubbie]

I would like to see the dyno graph to see the powerband

As soon as I get my camera back, I will take a pic of the graph and post it...
I tried using my cell phone for the pic, but it's useless.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/zub88/27-02-07_2207.jpg
That's the best i can do for now

[doughboyr6]

those are pretty solid #s and the power band doesn't look really any different than the stock...so i guess that's pretty good

[iconicrocket]

Good for you. That's quite good for just an CAI, and at the wheel too.

[CoolColombian]

Good numbers!! How much was it and how many runs they give you for that price?

[majic]

Good numbers!! How much was it and how many runs they give you for that price?

$100 for 5 runs (http://torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=16756)

[fourtrack78]

first run (no cai)
Max HP = 123.46
Max Torque = 130.76



wow thats stock.............almost 17hp off

[3GFX]

That is quite impressive, especially for a bolt on. I wonder if the MS intake returns similar numbers. 100$ for 5 runs? I might just do that one day when the car's all done.


wow thats stock.............almost 17hp off

Actually more. He's got a GT 2.3 which is supposedly 156hp, so at the wheels 123 is quite the difference. Loses, gotta love em.

Zubby are you running with an AT or MT?

[Zubbie]

Zubby are you running with an AT or MT?

MT, i was pissed off with the stock run 123 hp... I thought it would be a little more than that!



Zubby

How'd u know my nickname???

[fourtrack78]

Actually more. He's got a GT 2.3 which is supposedly 156hp, so at the wheels 123 is quite the difference. Loses, gotta love em.



Dammmmmmmmmm

[3GFX]

It just kinda flowed Zubby!

The loses are quite intense, I'm surprised to. The automatic probably puts down about 5-8lb/ft less because of the slushbox losses.

Every mild tuner goal (one I've set for myself), is to attain the wheel horsepower that was advertised at the crank. So I eventually want 156whp. This can be attained by intakes, exhaust, headers and pulleys. From there on your really tuning.

[Broli]

wow, those are impressive increases!

[Zubbie]

Yea I was happy with the intake and it's performance, but I still thought a stock GT 5 Speed would pull off at least 130 HP.
The guys that were setting up the dyno were making guesses, and I heard one guy say 108.

[doughboyr6]

dynos are not always the best for a true measurement of HP...every dyno is calibrated to read differently and a lot of other factors come into play also such as air flow/temperature/pressure level.

dynos are primarily used as a measuring device of how much power gained after a modification...so you can see the amount of increase, but the actual figure maybe off.

[Chuckie]

thats hard to believe, i can't feel anything with mine. but the dyno doesn't lie i suppose.

[3GFX]

I doubt you'd feel 10hp. None of us are that in touch.

[Sean80]

wow, wonder if other intakes have the same effect or not

[Jeff-TheBiz]

I doubt you'd feel 10hp. None of us are that in touch.

The difference between a GX/GS and a GT is 10 hp. And I can feel each and every one.

[Sean80]

The difference between a GX/GS and a GT is 10 hp. And I can feel each and every one.

agreed :bana

[3GFX]

Well. There is more to that than just 10hp. There is 16 crank horsepower which is more like 10 - 15 wheel horsepower. Plus the torque is less. There is the ambient feel of being in a less sporty model. The 2.3 is a much stronger engine than just its numbers suggest.

I guess you could feel the difference in horsepower though. The question is, on your 2.3L did you feel your intake make a differance?

Ok, I did maybe a little in the mid rpm range but not really. Mostly I noticed the wonderful sound.

EDIT: Fixed some of the above numbers, I was obviously on drugs that day :S

[majic]

Well. There is more to that than just 10hp. There is 16 crank horsepower which is more like 20 - 25 wheel horsepower.

huh?

the crank is more than WHP.. :complain

[doughboyr6]

i'm sure he got it backwards....

[3GFX]

Were you not just reading the thread guys? Our car has 156hp (At the crank).

The dyno results on the previous page show 123 wheel horsepower. I'm not backwards. Its drivetrain losses.

Although your car may put out tons of torque in first gear, its not a measure of its true power. But on that note, I don't know the details of how a dyno calculates the exact power at the wheels.

[majic]

man i am so confused with what you're typing..



first run (no cai)
Max HP = 123.46
Max Torque = 130.76

Second run (with Fujita Cold Air Intake)
Max HP = 134.38!
Max Torque = 139.75!

Final Results 10.92 HP Gain!! and 8.99 Torque Gain!!


the 10HP gain is at the wheels!

thebiz and sean80 are talking about the [advertised] ~10HP difference (crank) between the gx/gs and gt models..

if we compare the stock numbers to what zubby got we get
156HP/150TQ (crank/advertised) vs. 123HP/131TQ (wheels) which translates into 21% and 13% losses respectively

if we use the same losses (gross generalization), 148HP/135TQ (crank) would be 117HP/117TQ (wheels) for the 2.0L engines..

and if you want to translate his WHP gains to what the advertised ones would be then.. 134HP/140TQ (wheels) would be 170HP/161TQ (advertised)

[doughboyr6]

man i just can't believe that we lost so much from crank...also, i thought the M3 2.3L put out 163 not 156...or did the HP rating changed over the years?

[Kevin@nextmod]

I really want to put my car on dyno as i want to see how the 5 speed auto with my mods will do.

I remember lawrence did a dyno on his 4 speed auto stock to the bone 3 put out 129whp IIRC.

[Zubbie]

I remember lawrence did a dyno on his 4 speed auto stock to the bone 3 put out 129whp IIRC.

That's seems kinda high for a stock automatic 3. Makes me think even more that my stock manual 3 shoulda put out more than 123whp.

[3GFX]

Yea, Maj, thats exactly what I was saying, I didn't know that the GS/GX had 148, I thought it has less. Also, I did mix up my numbers before.

But like I was saying, its not just the 5hp differnace you notice in the 2.0L because its such a minute amount.

[Sean80]

thanks for the clarification majic!

all i can say is when i test drove the 2.0 and then the 2.3.....i made sure it was a 2.3 that i got. It just felt much stronger than the 2.0.

and on a side note: i test drove a cobalt ss right before going to mazda, and I swear the 2.3 mazda is a faster car

[Kevin@nextmod]

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=7497
3rd one down you'll see xenon with 127WHP stock to the bone.

[sp3GT]

man i just can't believe that we lost so much from crank...also, i thought the M3 2.3L put out 163 not 156...or did the HP rating changed over the years?

Mine's a 06 and it's rated at 160Hp, the 07's are 156Hp. I think it's something to do with the SAE, but really it's the same engine.

I think Xenon's dyno is more accurate since he lost about 20% of the rated Hp which is around the amount autos are suppose to lose. So I think a manual should be around 136Hp.

[b]

I really want to put my car on dyno as i want to see how the 5 speed auto with my mods will do.

I remember lawrence did a dyno on his 4 speed auto stock to the bone 3 put out 129whp IIRC.

I would split on a dyno day if it was in the mississauga area...

[Kevin@nextmod]

I want to wait until i put the Motul 300V oil in there.

[fourtrack78]

This is just another case to prove that hatch's are better than sedan's :)

[Kevin@nextmod]

^^ Especially white. =P

[SABIO]

I'm not a hater. But there is no F'N way a CAI gave you 10HP.

So I guess in winter your car pulls 200hp???

[3GFX]

Sabs its right on the dyno sheet!

[Zubbie]

I'm not a hater. But there is no F'N way a CAI gave you 10HP.

So I guess in winter your car pulls 200hp???

Then I guess ur right and the dyno was wrong. i'm just tellin u what the dyno read.

*i know u can't see the actual numbers on the sheet cuz i can't get a good pic on my cpu, but once i'm able to reach to one of these meets i'll make sure to bring it.*

[saintjames7]

I'm not a hater. But there is no F'N way a CAI gave you 10HP.

So I guess in winter your car pulls 200hp???


On the Fujita website their Dyno sheet recorded a 8.84hp gain and a 5.73 torque gain.

Basline= 135.19hp, 136.26tq
CAI = 144.03hp, 141.99tq

Here is the link http://www.f5air.com/images/dyno/06%20mazda%203.GIF

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[chinsterr]

10 hp gain to the wheels from just a CAI is a little insane, something is whack with the dyno reading.

Im not doubting the product, but your dyno is showing better gains than adverties by fujita themselves. lol

[wingnut12]

It's possible that the fujita is spiking at over 10 hp within a very narrow band based on other dynos I've seen with just that CAI on. Usually it posts hp losses until about 3.5k, spikes, then settles into the 3-5 hp range. I used to have it. The CAI inself was great. The service, not so much.

His graph was pretty linear. I'm surprised.

[chinsterr]

The CAI inself was great. The service, not so much.


You had problems with the intake ?

[wingnut12]

The guy shipped me the intake after guaranteeing a certain price including shipping and duty. The box itself was damaged and poorly packaged so I sent it back. Then it got ugly. I called him out on the fact that he had promised certain things but had not delivered, so he called me a liar.

Luckily he was stupid enough to say everything in e-mail, so I posted the entire conversation to the forum where he was a vendor. This pissed him off even more because it made him look like an idiot and he lost business because of it.

End of story is that I got my money back after a few months and learned my lesson.

[Zubbie]

Did u ever have it installed on ur car??

[wingnut12]

Yes. I ended up finding it through someone else, and used it until I installed my current one. It worked well.

[Zubbie]

What was ur reason for removing it?

[wingnut12]

What was ur reason for removing it?

I'm an idiot.

I overoiled the filter so it kept throwing cels, and my local mazda parts guy had a really good deal on so I switched to the MazdaSpeed one. Mazda speed had just changed the warranty classification so that it gave me a warranty instead of nothing like it used to.

[Byaaahhh]

Word of advice, if you have not yet done so, extend the wires on the MAF as two of mine just ripped out and its a slight inconvenience to extend them after they rip out.

[blue3]

so cai's giving problems for some ?

[Byaaahhh]

The CAI gave me no problems, but the stupid wires that connect to the MAF sure did.

[wingnut12]

I had to make more room for mine as well. Saves a lot of screwing around later.

[chinsterr]

The CAI gave me no problems, but the stupid wires that connect to the MAF sure did.

Cut the tie-wrap holding them together to loosen it some more.

[Zubbie]

Extended the wires yesterday, there is some slack now. Before the was no slack at all!!

[Sean80]

Yes. I ended up finding it through someone else, and used it until I installed my current one. It worked well.

Do you find any differences between your old CAI and the MS CAI you have now? I find the MS gives a nice progressive growl right through the rpm range from about 3000 to redline. I'm just curious if you had that with your old intake.

[wingnut12]

The old one seemed to surge between 3500 and 5000 rpm.

The MS seems to surge at 3500 rpm (probably due the throotlebody opening), but then be more gentle through the range. Not as peaky, I guess. I can't remember if the numbers support this or not since I've yet to get my car on a dyno.

[maumau]

sweet

[Zubbie]

Edited in digital pics to original post.

I know it's been a long time, but I think it'll be good for reference.

[BiG-ED]

I'm an idiot.

I overoiled the filter so it kept throwing cels, and my local mazda parts guy had a really good deal on so I switched to the MazdaSpeed one. Mazda speed had just changed the warranty classification so that it gave me a warranty instead of nothing like it used to.

whats the warranty on the ms3 cai?
is it puttin out the same gains

[Nextmod]

if anyone is interested in the Fujita CAI please PM me =)

[argos]

do all CAI changes the way the car sounds???

cuz i really prefer a quiet ride that i'm getting from my stock Air Intake but i want to get a CAI for improve performance...

any suggestions???

[wingnut12]

Every one I'd ever seen has been louder than stock. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that a lot of that has to with the fact that most OEM intake systems are engineered to be quiet, which also makes them restrictive, and thus mod friendly.

[wingnut12]

Big-Ed, the warranty has changed back and forth since I got it depending on who you talk to. My dealer will warranty it for 1 year. As for gains, no clue since I have yet to dyno it. It feels like there's more power, but that could be a number of factors, including wishful thinking. I hope to dyno it later this year.

[Nextmod]

a member actually did a dyno test and showed a 9+ HP increase

I have 6 of those intakes coming next week =)

[mogul_pro]

and on a side note: i test drove a cobalt ss right before going to mazda, and I swear the 2.3 mazda is a faster car

But its not... hint ... compare vehicle weight..

[Nextmod]

if anyone is still interested let me know I have some coming in soon

[mprus]

thats a huge gain, wonder why soo much..?

[p-o-g-i]

do all CAI changes the way the car sounds???

cuz i really prefer a quiet ride that i'm getting from my stock Air Intake but i want to get a CAI for improve performance...

any suggestions???

The CAI (or even short ram for that matter) will make a very subtle change in sound, but nothing that noticeable..... unless of course you gun it off the line or rev it.

If you're worried about the sound increase compared to installing an aftermarket exhaust system..... don't even spin your wheels on this one. Those are 2 completely different levels of sound increase.

[wingnut12]

Argos, yes you will definitely notice a change in the sound (read much louder), and by itself, you won't notice any change in power.

It is, however, the first, and basically least expensive step in a series of add ons such as: Headers, and Exhaust etc that when added together, will produce noticeable gains.

[shu5892001]

if anyone is interested in the Fujita CAI please PM me =)
how much? do u install it too?

[Giaro]

did you pm him?

[sp3GT]

There's a guide in the How-to section if you want to install the CAI yourself. But SSG doesn't do installs.

[boosted_out]

I have myself a Fujita F5 CAI and a hks hi power exhaust on my 2.0L 04 sedan. How much hp gain do you guys think i got?

[Rob23]

I have myself a Fujita F5 CAI and a hks hi power exhaust on my 2.0L 04 sedan. How much hp gain do you guys think i got?

probably a good amount with both the intake and exhaust, you would get better gas mileage aswell.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

I have myself a Fujita F5 CAI and a hks hi power exhaust on my 2.0L 04 sedan. How much hp gain do you guys think i got?

Probably around 7 to 10HP on the 2.0., and not much torque difference, if any.

[Rob23]

Probably around 7 to 10HP on the 2.0., and not much torque difference, if any.

yea with just an intake, with an exhaust aswell it would probably be closer to 15 hp gain. in the 2.3 with a high quality CAI and exhaust you can gain like 20-25 hp at the wheels. mazdas really bottle neck in the airflow.

[vartdirector]

Nice sound, very good stats, how much cost the Dyno test?

I'm receiving my AI today, the TAKEDA Short Ram, the new model one.

Thinking to test it too! :)

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

yea with just an intake, with an exhaust aswell it would probably be closer to 15 hp gain. in the 2.3 with a high quality CAI and exhaust you can gain like 20-25 hp at the wheels. mazdas really bottle neck in the airflow.

Sorry Rob, but no chance those mods alone pull anywhere near that kind of power on a regular NA Mazda3. Maybe with a CAI, free-flow CBE, and with the addition of a header, ignition timing changes and/or ECU mods, you have a chance, but not with just a CAI and CBE. That's just ricer math. I hear Honda Civic guys talk this crap all the time.

Tell you what, go get a baseline dyno on your car without mods. Then go add just a CAI and CBE on your car and PM me. We'll go to a dyno and if you can pull 20HP-25HP out of your 2.3L, I'll pay for the dyno. If you can't, you pay.

And yes, I'm being completely serious.

[Rob23]

Sorry Rob, but no chance those mods alone pull anywhere near that kind of power on a regular NA Mazda3. Maybe with a CAI, free-flow CBE, and with the addition of a header, ignition timing changes and/or ECU mods, you have a chance, but not with just a CAI and CBE. That's just ricer math. I hear Honda Civic guys talk this crap all the time.

Tell you what, go get a baseline dyno on your car without mods. Then go add just a CAI and CBE on your car and PM me. We'll go to a dyno and if you can pull 20HP-25HP out of your 2.3L, I'll pay for the dyno. If you can't, you pay.

And yes, I'm being completely serious.

your probably right then. but if this guy got almost 11whp gain from just a intake, if he had a borla exhaust for example, would he not get another 10hp on top of that? btw you don't have to be an ass.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

your probably right then. but if this guy got almost 11whp gain from just a intake, if he had a borla exhaust for example, would he not get another 10hp on top of that? btw you don't have to be an ass.

Not trying to be an ass Rob. I just hear so many people talk about 'marketing' gains on cars by adding stuff this and that, that it gets old really, really fast. The non-hardcore Honda crowd is notorious for this crap... By 'marketing gain', I'm talking about the gains that the companies advertise for their product. I could care less whether say, Injen, says they are pulling an extra 15HP with their intake as part of their advertisement for example.

By Ricer math, I mean guys who then use this 'marketing' info and say, well, I added an Injen CAI for 15HP and this CBE says that is another 10HP gain, so therefore I have added 25HP more to my car. Power gains are not always linear and stackable and a lot of times the car ECU will pull back a lot of these gains over time to run where it wants to run... 25HP on a car with 156HP is a big gain.

The only true and somewhat scientific way of actually telling improvement gains is to do a baseline and after mod dyno on the same day, with the relative same conditions and then note improvements if any.

So that means, do a few baseline dyno runs stock. Install the parts and then do another few dyno runs. It would be worthwhile doing another dyno run also a few weeks later, provided the temps and air moisture values are similiar to the original baseline, because the ECU will have had a chance to adjust to the mods and increased air flow etc...

It is not particularly easy to make solid power gains on the NA MZ3 without significant mods or turbo/supercharger. A CAI and a free-flow CBE will net you some gains for sure, but you need to go well past this point to start seeing significant power gains, hence header, ignition timing, ECU mods. Or, go the forced induction route.

[Rob23]

Not trying to be an ass Rob. I just hear so many people talk about 'marketing' gains on cars by adding stuff this and that, that it gets old really, really fast. The non-hardcore Honda crowd is notorious for this crap... By 'marketing gain', I'm talking about the gains that the companies advertise for their product. I could care less whether say, Injen, says they are pulling an extra 15HP with their intake as part of their advertisement for example.

By Ricer math, I mean guys who then use this 'marketing' info and say, well, I added an Injen CAI for 15HP and this CBE says that is another 10HP gain, so therefore I have added 25HP more to my car. Power gains are not always linear and stackable and a lot of times the car ECU will pull back a lot of these gains over time to run where it wants to run... 25HP on a car with 156HP is a big gain.

The only true and somewhat scientific way of actually telling improvement gains is to do a baseline and after mod dyno on the same day, with the relative same conditions and then note improvements if any.

So that means, do a few baseline dyno runs stock. Install the parts and then do another few dyno runs. It would be worthwhile doing another dyno run also a few weeks later, provided the temps and air moisture values are similiar to the original baseline, because the ECU will have had a chance to adjust to the mods and increased air flow etc...

It is not particularly easy to make solid power gains on the NA MZ3 without significant mods or turbo/supercharger. A CAI and a free-flow CBE will net you some gains for sure, but you need to go well past this point to start seeing significant power gains, hence header, ignition timing, ECU mods. Or, go the forced induction route.

i know about what your saying, and your right that is a huge gain. i just mean if you use the higher quality makes, then your more likely to get higher gains. i should think a bit more about what im posting. but you have to admit that 11whp gain from just a CAI is a huge gain. if he put on a borla wouldnt he gain a little more?

[kckev99]

huh?

the crank is more than WHP.. :complain


i'm sure he got it backwards....

The reason the crank HP rating is higher the WHP is because there are a lot loses along the drive train. Due to inefficiencies in friction, heat and many factors you're bound to lose a percentage of HP by the time it reaches the wheels.

When the manufacturer publishes HP number it is usually estimated at the crank or flywheel. Realistically what you are getting at the wheels on to the road is far less. i believe you could be losing as much as 20% from crank to wheels.

Hence crank HP is higher than wheel HP #'s.

[j-ski]

so your base run with a completely stock gt engine was 123 wHP.

That would more or less be the same for mine then which means my stock engine with full CAI added an extra 15 WHP!!!! WORD!

my run with just CAI was 138.1 WHP & 138.5Torgue

[jdmis250]

Ok, got my intake installed today... and also decided to get my car on a dyno!
I don't have my digital camera right now, but as soon as i get it back I will show the dyno results but for now i'll just tell u the results.

first run (no cai)
Max HP = 123.46
Max Torque = 130.76

Second run (with Fujita Cold Air Intake)
Max HP = 134.38!
Max Torque = 139.75!

Final Results 10.92 HP Gain!! and 8.99 Torque Gain!!

Sorry about the double post, didn't know which forum to put it into.


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/zub88/100_0021.jpg


that's the first time in my life to seen a dyno graph looks like "electrocardiogram"

[fletch87]

hey man where did u buy the fujita cai?
thanks

[doughboyr6]

is this company even still around anymore? I had it when I had my 3, but that was back in 2006... you can try eBay. I think that's where I got mine.

http://www.fujita-intakes.com/eng/

[Soundwav]

am i wrong to see that only 2 runs are being shown?
any time ive seen dynos being done you run more then one run for the base numbers..
i have my speculations about this....

should have been an even amount of runs done on the dyno.. 3 runs with STOCK airbox then 3 runs with CAI.....
i bet you the numbers would be ALOT different then what is being shown here! if an equal amount of runs had been made!