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majic
03-16-2007, 11:56 AM
Wooowwaaaawweeewaaa :) :bana

source (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=85388204-4d20-4dc4-ab17-e8f1ffdb1124)


Mazda3 snapping at Honda Civic's heels
Nicolas Van Praet, Financial Post
Published: Friday, March 16, 2007

The Honda Civic's seven-year reign as the top-selling passenger car in Canada is in jeopardy as Mazda Motor Corp. closes in on its Japanese rival with its popular Mazda3.

The Mazda3 is running neck and neck with Honda Motor Co.' s Civic in the first two months of this year, posting a 24.9% sales gain over the same period in 2006, new research by DesRosiers Automotive Consultants shows.

The Civic is still slightly ahead, with 5,800 units to the Mazda3's 5,554. And its dominance last year, vastly outselling its nearest rival, suggests it will be hard to beat. But Civic sales have fallen 20.2% so far this year over last year and its long lead in the rankings may be slipping.

"It may be the battle to watch this year," Dennis DesRosiers, president of the consultancy, said in a note. "The Civic obviously has a big bull's-eye on it."

Mazda's growth suggests Canadian consumers now perceive its vehicles to be every bit as reliable as those of Honda and Toyota Motor Co., which was not always the case. It also suggests Mazda is pushing hard to snare top spot in the hope it may give a lift to its other lesser-known models.

On the surface, Mazda3's breakthrough appears remarkable because the car is already three years old and has not been significantly changed. By contrast, Honda introduced a completely redesigned Civic for 2006.

But a closer read of the situation shows Mazda offered a slightly more attractive financing rate in January and February than Honda and a slightly better lease deal, which Honda has since matched, said Geoff Helby, national account manager for Power Information Network, a unit of J.D. Power & Associates. During those two months, Mazda3 sedans spent 27 days on average on dealer lots before they sold, compared with 31 days for the Civic, he said.

The shine has come off the new Civic, now a year old, Mr. Helby said. At the same time, Mazda is offering aggressive rates on its three-year-old car in its bid to capture the spotlight.

"Everyone wants to be No. 1," Mr. Helby said yesterday. "You always remember the champion. It's hard to remember who came in second."

Building on the success of its "zoom zoom" advertising campaign, Mazda has diversified its product lineup, while introducing the same element of sporty practicality that has made Honda vehicles so popular, said Doug Leighton, who teaches a course on automotive history and culture at Huron University College, University of Western Ontario.

"Mazda has remade itself," Mr. Leighton said. "[It's] convinced people that Mazda's here to stay, that they make cars that are the equal of the other Japanese manufacturers."

Competition in Canada's compact car segment is fierce. Toyota's Corolla and Chevrolet Cobalt are also chasing the Civic and Mazda3. And sales of Chrysler's Dodge Caliber are growing fast. That signals promise for Chrysler, which is showing early signs it is shedding its over-reliance on trucks and SUVs.

Both Mazda and Honda had record sales years in Canada last year. The Civic has held top spot in passenger car rankings since 2000, when it snatched the title away from General Motors Corp.'s Chevrolet Cavalier.

Honda, which makes the Civic in Canada at a plant in Alliston, Ont., said last fall it planned to increase output of the vehicle by 60,000 units a year. The company also said it would take the unusual step of using a dedicated truck assembly line to help build more Civics. Honda is now readying its Alliston Plant 2 truck factory to add Civic production starting next month.

nvanpraet@nationalpost.com

Jeff-TheBiz
03-16-2007, 12:02 PM
I think that's my fault.. :blush

When I read this, this morning, I kinda laughed that Honda is down almost exactly what Mazda is up.

TheProfessor
03-16-2007, 12:07 PM
It really is remarkable that after three years on the market the Mazda3 is able to not only keep up, but gain on a brand new Civic. I think the author was putting too much emphasis on the lease and finance rates however. They almost make it seem as though that is the reason for Mazda's advancement, when in reality it is a truly fine product coupled with aggresive interest rates.

Go Mazda!

sp3GT
03-16-2007, 12:34 PM
I think the Mazda3 actually gained this year is because not many people like the new styling of the civic.

billyfo
03-16-2007, 01:35 PM
and mostly Mazda offers better lease/finance rate than Honda, plus insurance much cheaper than Civic's

Broli
03-16-2007, 01:40 PM
woohoo

go mazda!

jeff keep it up!

lol

sp3GT
03-16-2007, 01:40 PM
and mostly Mazda offers better lease/finance rate than Honda, plus insurance much cheaper than Civic's

I had the 7thgen civic before, 4dr si sedan. My insurance went up by a tiny bit after switching to the 3.
Apparently civic's have a higher crash rating.

swales
03-16-2007, 03:02 PM
I would like to see the numbers since the 3 was introduced. I remember reading a few articles back in '04-'05 about how the 3 knocked the Civic out of top spot????

mike_moss
03-16-2007, 03:05 PM
I read this article this morning as well. Excellent job to the Mazda3 guys!

Caz
03-16-2007, 04:18 PM
This really doesn't surprise me. I I think Honda really missed the mark on the design of the new civic. I waited for it to be introduced before I bought my 3 as it was the only other car I was considering purchasing. When I saw the new civic I was so disappointed, style wise it isn't even close to the 3.

3GFX
03-16-2007, 04:24 PM
This is excellent!! Show's just how attractive (car and pricing wise) the car is. The only problem is, do you want the Mazda 3 to become as common as the Civic? I don't, but then again the 3 doesn't carry the same modifying cliches.

cereal83
03-16-2007, 04:27 PM
If the civic had luxury options like the 3 does, then I think it would pull ahead even more. imo the civic is expensive and ugly. I would never own one.

Good going Mazda

TheProfessor
03-16-2007, 05:31 PM
Honda can't make the Civic too luxurious otherwise it would defeat the purpose of offering the CSX. Even if they did, I still think the Mazda would have done as well as it has.

3GFX, as far as the 3 being as common as the Civic, it's already happened according to the article above!

Cexymoo
03-16-2007, 05:35 PM
I like the fact that by just paying the GS base price, I get all the important options that I need (Power everything). While the civic....not so much. The pricing and finacing are way better than the civic. And the looks, wowza.

P.S. Still bitter about civic's crappy design of their bumper. Once you bump something, it's gonna start rusting. :flaming

Sean80
03-16-2007, 06:29 PM
I heard that on the news last night, very interesting. Although, I always try to drive something that isn't very popular. Looks like I might be out of luck.

howitts_done
03-19-2007, 01:00 AM
Everyone just wants a little 'Zoom-Zoom' in their lives...

I think Civic sales in North America might be better if they introduced the European version. I saw it this Summer in Germany and WOW! Although it might be a little 'out-there' for some.

http://www.topgear.com/content/features/stories/2006/01/stories/15/1.html

cereal83
03-19-2007, 01:06 AM
I saw that civic there when I was in Germany last month. Not that hot. You would be surprised at how many Mazda 6's they have though.

TheProfessor
03-19-2007, 09:16 AM
^ That Civic you posted is only the hatch, there is also the sedan, which in a way Canada gets in the form of the CSX. I agree with cereal83 in that the hatch is not that nice, and while they likely would sell them here, not in any great numbers.

howitts_done
03-22-2007, 12:45 AM
Now that I just bought one I guess it's only 253 cars behind! :chuckle

majic
03-22-2007, 09:56 AM
hehe.. didn't your buddy buy one too?? ;)

Broli
03-22-2007, 10:04 AM
252 and counting . . . lol

well, the more sold, means the more into modding, means more aftermarket support, means more options for us!

howitts_done
03-22-2007, 05:32 PM
hehe.. didn't your buddy buy one too?? ;)

She'll be buying one from Jeff next week.

sharky
03-23-2007, 03:49 PM
I agree with most posters above - when I was going to buy a car (a year and 15 days ago), I was considering Honda or Mazda. Was going to test drive both, but once I sat in the Honda I was convinced that the Mazda was my car. I hate the windscreen with the little side windows in the front! Ugly. The old Civics, sedan, special edition were a worthy competitor...

IMHIP2
03-24-2007, 12:08 PM
Side airbags finally arrived on the 3 in 2007 - Had they not been offered we would not have been getting the 3.

Also on the Civic you can't see the hood which is something my wife was looking for.

ZeroChalk
03-27-2007, 01:42 PM
... man, I wish there weren't so many mazda3's around. When I first got it they were somewhat rare... now it's like 1 around each corner.. Congrats to Mazda, but I need a car more different.

TheProfessor
03-27-2007, 01:57 PM
Yeah, it's really something when I think back to when we first got the car and now.....I'd almost never see a white Mazda3 and now that's all I ever see.

majic
03-27-2007, 02:13 PM
should have gotten velocity red.. i rarely see those..

:bana2

rinse
03-27-2007, 03:45 PM
wow, that's a pretty big accomplishment.

ZeroChalk
03-27-2007, 05:43 PM
should have gotten velocity red.. i rarely see those..

:bana2

yah I should have got some bizzare colour.. opposed to 'primer white.'

;)

Garu
03-27-2007, 06:00 PM
I think somebody has this on his/her license plate.

VTECLMAO

Jeff-TheBiz
03-28-2007, 12:39 PM
I think somebody has this on his/her license plate.

VTECLMAO

Huh?

Think this might be in the wrong thread.

Don't drink and type people..

Garu
03-28-2007, 12:42 PM
I should've added on the license plate of a Mazdaspeed3.

TheProfessor
03-28-2007, 12:44 PM
I think somebody has this on his/her license plate.

VTECLMAO


That's a pretty funny plate, though I'm not sure how many people will get it.

justin
03-28-2007, 01:07 PM
I think the Mazda3 actually gained this year is because not many people like the new styling of the civic.

+1. I think the new Civic design is FUGLY.

MAZDA Kitten
03-29-2007, 12:06 AM
+1 ^^^

On a side note I wonder how sales of Jetta/Rabbit are doing?

LMAOOO

iconicrocket
03-29-2007, 12:09 AM
Huh?

Think this might be in the wrong thread.

Don't drink and type people..

LOL.

I would also suggest, Don't take drugs and type.

iconicrocket
03-29-2007, 12:23 AM
should have gotten velocity red.. i rarely see those..



... That's because everyone is allergic to owning one.

:D

majic
03-29-2007, 09:29 AM
ouch.. :banhim :chuckle