MazdaSpeed 3 Sux...

[SABIO]

Read it here...

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070419/COL14/704190388/1015/BUSINESS01

And here.........

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2007/04/who_would_have_thought_that_so.html

I'm just the messenger................

[Skarbro]

Interesting. The whole basis of his argumement is that the Mazdaspeed3 has too MUCH power. LOL

[Wild Weasel]

Well the second article is by a guy who hasn't driven one and based it entirely on the first article.

That said, I think the guy who wrote the first article is a *****. :)

Nobody says you have to put the pedal all the way down all the time. It sure is nice to have the power available when you want it though!

I've experienced no torque steer at all while at full throttle getting up to highway speeds on a ramp or passing people.

[Caz]

I agree with Weasel on this one. Sounds like the "*****" has a heavy foot.

[Wild Weasel]

What's interesting is that every other review by people who know how to drive has talked about how impressed they are by Mazda's ability to harness all that power using the fancy differential and electronic aids to keep the unruliness to a minimum.

Funny that this review came out of Detroit.

[garboui]

I've experienced no torque steer at all while at full throttle getting up to highway speeds on a ramp or passing people.

theres actually a vid on youtube of an mps in europe. the camera ia inside the car and it shows the driver hammering through the gears with his hands completly off the wheel except for slight corrections to stay in his lane.

[boogie]

"the two creases added to the hood seem pointless"

This guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about...

[MajesticBlueNTO]

interesting the photos were credited to "Ford Motor Co." :P

[Wild Weasel]

"the two creases added to the hood seem pointless"

This guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about...

Seriously. Pointless intercooler. Who needs it??

[Axela3z]

what a fool

[TheProfessor]

I wouldn't put too much stock into that article, the writer is clearly an idiot.

[Unoriginalusername]

Someone sent me that at work, didn't even bother responding... i've driven all three and the ms3 was an easy choice.

I really don't get the handling complaints from some people... do they not know how to drive or are they driving a different car than the one i own lol?

[WhiteSpeed3]

i'v had no prob with the power and as for the civic si its has nothin compared to the speed and the GTi has prob the best gear box i'v ever been driven in but other than that theres nothin

[royroy]

lol.. i bet the writer was driving a WRX.. STI... or GTI and got raped by a speed 3.. so he just had to write something to release his anger.. lol

personally i've sat on vlad's car a few times and i think this car handles great..

[justin]

personally i've sat on vlad's car a few times and i think this car handles great..

you actually sat on it while he drove like a maniac? You're much braver than I am... :chuckle

[MPS]

meh i drive good

[craigrodrigues88]

I just tested one and drove that car to shits and it was perfect to me! I want to drive it again, and again!

[Sdu_postes]

for that articles those mother ***ers keep bull shitting, they dont even know how to ride a bicycle... and keep *** around with the motor.

[ovillems3]

i honestly think someone paid these guys to write something bad about the ms3, after their..... "review" look at what people said about them or their reveiw.

this makes me laugh, i think these guys are *****s or mabye mazda put a super turbo in their test cars and took off the 1 and 2 gear limiter.

[Unoriginalusername]

i honestly think someone paid these guys to write something bad about the ms3, after their..... "review" look at what people said about them or their reveiw.

this makes me laugh, i think these guys are *****s or mabye mazda put a super turbo in their test cars and took off the 1 and 2 gear limiter.

ya it was a joke

[SP33D 3]

if you search for reviews, im sure you'll find 100s of good reviews and these 2 being the only negative ones... and especially since the car has been out for over a year now (or atleast magazines have been test driving it that long) and these two reviews were done recently kinda show that these guys dont really have much of a reputation to be able to get their hands on the car earlier... the only other bad thing i've ever heard about the car is how its annoying driving through parking garages and setting off car alarms, which i rather enjoy doing to the paseo that parks 5 spaces away from me in my building :bana

[MattC]

ill trade you my regular mazda 3... for your speed 3 if it sucks so much! :chuckle

even if they dont handle so well they look hotter than normal 3's, and better than those other cars in their class.

[WLS ZMZM]

I think those articles were definitely written by people who not only can't drive but also don't know anything about auto styling. To call the bodykit on the speed3 "tacky" just shows how much they know... the lines on the car are very sleek and that spoiler *whistles* damn sexy.... It just sounds like these guys should go back to their little "pos" cars and leave the real cars to people who know how to drive them. Obviously the 263 Hp is just a little much for them everyone I know who either owns the speed 3 or has driven one says the same thing "wow" But hey... this is why some cars are made very slow :chuckle for people like this

[craigrodrigues88]

haha very well put!

[Unoriginalusername]

i immediately discredit any journalist who says there is too much power... no such thing. Not enough grip, poor handling, or whatever could be problems with a car, but too much power is never a problem... simply means you just told the car world you're a sissy who thinks a prius has plenty of get up and go

[craigrodrigues88]

I think we can only actually talk shit about the first article because he is the moron, the second guy just read his article and said that he hasnt tested it yet, but what the moron is saying may be true, he isn't agreeing with him yet! He also gives Mazda its rightly deserved props for trying something different. If they had put an AWD into the car though it would be at a whole different price range and be put against different cars, to which they would probably have other things to knock on the car! Personally I think the guy doesn't know squat, I drove the car twice and absolutly loved it, found nothing wrong with it at all, except it made me want to drive too fast! I just laughed at the article!

[MattC]

Mazda probably just pulled back on sponsorship to those sites, and as a result they threw a bad review in.

no review is without motive anymore. especially if its on a site or mag that sells advertising space.

[Cosmo77]

You know whats funny....Mazda 3's are limited to less that 263 hp in 1 and 2nd gear in the softwear bios. And don;t ask...it CAN NOT be changed hence BIOS

Cosmo

[Unoriginalusername]

You know whats funny....Mazda 3's are limited to less that 263 hp in 1 and 2nd gear in the softwear bios. And don;t ask...it CAN NOT be changed hence BIOS

Cosmo

not true

[SABIO]

This thread still lives.. :)

I think what you little kids fail to understand is 263 hp in a front wheel drive car is NOT!! a powerful car.
0-60 in 6 sec??? 14.5 1/4 miles.... Mustangs and Camaros were doing that 20 years ago while most of you were still in grade school at half the price...and I bet alot of you weren't even in this country. CraigR88 was still in diapers when REAL Cars were Driven Fast..
Have fun and try to brag about how great your $35,000 overpriced underpowered import is.
Find a nice GTO or Firebird or Mustang with over 350hp and 300FT.lbs of torque at the REAR Wheels and come back and talk about power and handling.

Kids....

[MPS]

wow do u see a srink on a regular basis

[SABIO]

wow do u see a srink on a regular basis

I can see you can't speel in Engrish...

[Thetoaster99]

Wish I knew about the Speed3 before I got my Normal 3.. :( Had it for a month and alread wishing I had the other one.. The dealership didnt even mention it to me or else I might have taken it.. lol.. wish I could trade a 1 month old car in.. :P

[mogul_pro]

Wish I knew about the Speed3 before I got my Normal 3.. :( Had it for a month and alread wishing I had the other one.. The dealership didnt even mention it to me or else I might have taken it.. lol.. wish I could trade a 1 month old car in.. :P

You can, but you would bite a BIG bullet. Our cars don't hold value as well as I wish they did. :(

[Unoriginalusername]

You can, but you would bite a BIG bullet. Our cars don't hold value as well as I wish they did. :(

wait until they are out of production, the srt4's actually did quite well

[Nextmod]

wow back from the dead

[MZ3_GS]

This thread still lives.. :)

I think what you little kids fail to understand is 263 hp in a front wheel drive car is NOT!! a powerful car.
0-60 in 6 sec??? 14.5 1/4 miles.... Mustangs and Camaros were doing that 20 years ago while most of you were still in grade school at half the price...and I bet alot of you weren't even in this country. CraigR88 was still in diapers when REAL Cars were Driven Fast..
Have fun and try to brag about how great your $35,000 overpriced underpowered import is.
Find a nice GTO or Firebird or Mustang with over 350hp and 300FT.lbs of torque at the REAR Wheels and come back and talk about power and handling.

Kids....

You're right, it is not that powerful. However, 260 HP to the front wheels of any car is a lot.
So what if Mustangs and Camaros were doing it 20 years ago. They had twice the number of pistons, twice the displacement half the fuel economy, and couldn't turn for shit.

Times have changed, back then people drove big monstrous cars, now the norm is a compact/midsize sedan and Manufacturers are just making a go fast version to appeal to those who want one, no different than what they were doing in the 60s & 70s.

How much are Speed3's going for out the door anyways?

[sunnyhomeboy]

it looks better than the mustangs and the american muscles. done. and u can not put ur BIG LCD TV's in the damn ugly mustangs and camaros!!! it has nothing to do wif being a kid or not...i bet if u had the bux u wont even buy the MUSTANG...stupid horse name...u'll go for lambo's or porsche etc. dont discredit what the KIDS say just cause ur freaking OLD! afterall kids is gonna be the future~

[MikeyGT]

whoa talk about flame wars. relax Sabio. i don't even think Mazda 3 and Mustang are in the same category. i don't see why your all soo pissed off.

[SP33D 3]

This thread still lives.. :)

I think what you little kids fail to understand is 263 hp in a front wheel drive car is NOT!! a powerful car.
0-60 in 6 sec??? 14.5 1/4 miles.... Mustangs and Camaros were doing that 20 years ago while most of you were still in grade school at half the price...and I bet alot of you weren't even in this country. CraigR88 was still in diapers when REAL Cars were Driven Fast..
Have fun and try to brag about how great your $35,000 overpriced underpowered import is.
Find a nice GTO or Firebird or Mustang with over 350hp and 300FT.lbs of torque at the REAR Wheels and come back and talk about power and handling.

Kids....


what about the speed3s in the states that are pushing low 12s? thats pretty fast for not spending more than 40gs on the car including mods (obviously as canadians, we'll have to pay abit more)

the 2008 mustang starts at 33gs which is more than than the speed3 at 31, and puts out around 230whp vs 220whp... so to make up the difference in pricing, you could buy a CAI and full turbo back system which dynos roughly around the 250whp range.... looks-wise, the mustang does look more aggresive but the interior of the speed3 is way too good for the mustang, when you're drivng you dont see the outside of the car anyways, just the inside... i've driven a mustang before and it drives like shit... its nothing special, its just a name that's been dragged on
you shouldn't get so upset since the new kid on the block is more popular, especially in a mazda forum

and if mustangs and camaroes were doin that 20 years ago why are they still ONLY doing that and not upgrading? it seems like every other car company tends to improve the power of their models rather than keeping them at the same 300hp level, i can't remember the last time mustangs have had more power than that (not including the gt500 or shelby models cause they aren't normal mustangs and pricing shows they dont match with the speed 3)

[kid_icarus]

lol REAL cars... I find that amusing.

this thread has easily turned itself into one man's debate that ignores facts, reviews, and first hand opinions and only relies on someones personal issues, bias


- 30 years ago.... $30,000 today was only worth $6000 if not less. I hope you are taking into account inflation, because if you're right..... those mustangs would've actually cost 1/10th of the cost of today's speed3...

- 30 years ago, cars were made to go STRAIGHT and fast.... i dare you to take your stock 1970's mustang/camaro and put it up against the speed 3 and see what the results are, why? cuz i'm actually curious too

[MajesticBlueNTO]

the 2008 mustang starts at 33gs which is more than than the speed3 at 31, and puts out around 230whp vs 220whp...

who cares..they're both Fords anyway :chuckle

[sunnyhomeboy]

who cares..they're both Fords anyway :chuckle

yes yes bro that is so right! they are just FORDDDD

[blackspeed3]

what about the speed3s in the states that are pushing low 12s? thats pretty fast for not spending more than 40gs on the car including mods (obviously as canadians, we'll have to pay abit more)

the 2008 mustang starts at 33gs which is more than than the speed3 at 31, and puts out around 230whp vs 220whp... so to make up the difference in pricing, you could buy a CAI and full turbo back system which dynos roughly around the 250whp range.... looks-wise, the mustang does look more aggresive but the interior of the speed3 is way too good for the mustang, when you're drivng you dont see the outside of the car anyways, just the inside... i've driven a mustang before and it drives like shit... its nothing special, its just a name that's been dragged on
you shouldn't get so upset since the new kid on the block is more popular, especially in a mazda forum

and if mustangs and camaroes were doin that 20 years ago why are they still ONLY doing that and not upgrading? it seems like every other car company tends to improve the power of their models rather than keeping them at the same 300hp level, i can't remember the last time mustangs have had more power than that (not including the gt500 or shelby models cause they aren't normal mustangs and pricing shows they dont match with the speed 3)


Power AND handling? You mean just power right? hahaha are you on something?

[Cardinal Fang]

Seriously....why drag up an old thread to pick on someone? Tread carefully.

[SP33D 3]

Power AND handling? You mean just power right? hahaha are you on something?

it could be that im still cracked from lol, but i can't seem to find anywhere in my post anything about handling, maybe you should lay off chasing the dragon

[Garu]

it could be that im still cracked from lol, but i can't seem to find anywhere in my post anything about handling, maybe you should lay off chasing the dragon

You're dragon hunting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NEhBLUlIEk