WTF? Seizing cars that could be used for street racing? [Archive]

MPS

06-20-2007, 04:25 PM

WTF is Toronto coming to WTF this is retarded the cop can look @ ur car and make that desion if you look at him the wrong way ur car is gone WTF
WOW
thats all i can say
what about drunk drivers ?
****!!! i hate all this BS

what about ppl that race on the track ?
i don't even know what to say just pissed :flaming

MPS

06-20-2007, 04:26 PM

ok that made me fell better
but still mad :complain

what is your address WW?

gotta get rid of the sunflower once and for all.. :chuckle

Fuman

06-20-2007, 04:27 PM

Keep print out of your track visit in your car so you can show the officer you race on the track and not the streets?

MPS

06-20-2007, 04:29 PM

man if the cop had a shit day ur done he won't care about ur track slips
thas the problem with TO cops they got way to much power and they know how to use it

Xerox

06-20-2007, 04:32 PM

Damn....just like Minority Report....Tom Cruz was right!

This is almost as bad as the city planning to remove the "Support our Troops" from emergency vehicles...don't they have better things to do?

JonsMazda

06-20-2007, 04:33 PM

Hmm, they can't just pull you over and tell u that they are going to take ur car awar and smash it up. They have to have good reasons to do that.
Offer the cops donuts if they stop u.

MPS

06-20-2007, 04:35 PM

yaa you offer him what u wan't
take a chance of getting charged for bribing a pig
its a serios offence

JonsMazda

06-20-2007, 04:37 PM

oh well. Are ya'll gonna be hating on me when I become one of them? my application is in process right now. haha.

Fuman

06-20-2007, 04:38 PM

oh well. Are ya'll gonna be hating on me when I become one of them? my application is in process right now. haha.
mine will be in next year or so... haha

Skarbro

06-20-2007, 04:41 PM

3GFX

06-20-2007, 04:48 PM

It seems the police everywhere will have the power to do something. The line just becomes more blurred now which is very unfair.

I just hope that cops use wise discretion in making their choices. I don't street race and I know that our club discourages it. Its a shame that it still happens.

sp3GT

06-20-2007, 04:52 PM

How are they going to determine if you are likely to race, it's almost impossible. It's probably going to be discriminatory

JonsMazda

06-20-2007, 04:57 PM

alot of times while driving on highway or cruising on the streets, i always see stock cars racing with other stock cars. its sad how they have to pick on ppl who mod their cars.

Flagrum_3

06-20-2007, 05:36 PM

I think its just a rant from another idiot politician who dosen't have a clue whats going on.As far as I know the vehicles involved in the forementioned accident weren't even done-up! One was a Pontiac Grand-Am I think...and I think they'd better have some real good evidence before they go taking your car and scrapping it, or they'll have a shit-load of sueing going on.

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MattC

06-20-2007, 05:46 PM

thats ****in retarded.

I mean to a cop, any car thats been modded in their opinion will be a "stret racer"

i really want to see them go after some asian kid with rich parents... and the ensuing legal battle with the government.

This city is turning bad... the government has too much power.

cwp_sedan

06-20-2007, 06:01 PM

Just keep some doughnuts in the back just in case. :chuckle

HappyJappy

06-20-2007, 06:06 PM

bad boys bad boys whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for u.....

chinsterr

06-20-2007, 06:12 PM

For vehicles that caused that huge accident : Stock grand am / Stock civic / Stock mustang .... all with idiot drivers.

WhiteSpeed3

06-20-2007, 06:16 PM

now were gonna see more police chases lol

ppl running from the cop cuz there car is gonna get crushed

FLIPDADY

06-20-2007, 06:26 PM

Bet you this won't apply to hot rods or muscle cars.:complain

WLS ZMZM

06-20-2007, 06:30 PM

Hey the street racing scene is becoming more main stream.... and so are the laws.... its pathetic that those who don't do it are going to get nailed for it. Cops will target anything... that has an exhaust, intake, rims or other upgrades. I remember getting stopped in my civic and was accused of racing because I had an A/F ratio gauge and A Voltmeter... With this law it will just be that much easier for the police to give you a hard time. It's bad enough they try their best to find something to give you a ticket for... almost like a fat kid reaching for a cookie... PATHETIC.... All it's gonna take is accusing the wrong person, to the point where the government gets sued...HARDCORE, and you're going to see a bunch of people unite to sue them. I think NWA said it the best F**K THE POLICE!!

Garu

06-20-2007, 07:41 PM

I guess it's time to remove my CAI and perhaps replace the stock exhaust with smaller one which one make too much sound.

MattC

06-20-2007, 07:48 PM

I have a feeling this will never come to pass, and if they do ever cube one of our cars, im 100% positive you would get fully reinbursed for the price of your vehicle. Any lawyer could get you that, since its such a BS plan.

WildEmu

06-20-2007, 08:05 PM

This is the dumbest thing I have heard today. And I'm also part of the crowd that don't think this will ever pass. It's just a politician talking out of their ass

PlatMS6

06-20-2007, 09:02 PM

WOW faking Canadian government cow-hearding #&%$&^%$ hicks...
I'm tired of the BS they focus on, street race deaths are a mere minute percentage of drunk driving deaths, and god knows what else. They should focus on getting junkers off the roads that have bald ass tires and go 60km/h on the hwy during rain storms etc... or cars that you can litteraly see through because of all the rot. I've seen whole suspension/exgaust parts drop out of clunkers before!!!!!!

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Caz

06-20-2007, 09:21 PM

Does this mean any sports bike or exotic car will be crushed as they are built to go fast?

I can just see the cops at the dealerships taking the cars off of the truck as they are delivered to go and crush them.

This is a ****ing joke, why not crush the cars of the drunk drivers or the dangerous drivers.

Garu

06-20-2007, 09:23 PM

Cardinal Fang

06-21-2007, 12:43 PM

“We can seize that car if we have information from police and, just on the balance of probabilities, if we can establish that that car is being used for the unlawful purpose of street racing, we will seize it and you will never see it again,”

The trick here for the authorities is to establish that the car would be used for unlawful purposes. This isn't like drugs. They are against the law and simply having them would prove your intent. What we are dealing with here are legal parts that can be added to a car. Simply having them isn't illegal. The police would have to prove intent as in any other law. Laws like these are easily challenged in the courts.

what is your address WW?

gotta get rid of the sunflower once and for all.. :chuckle

Timing: 8/10
Technical Merit: 10/10

sauga_kid

06-21-2007, 01:15 PM

+1 to the Card...everyone here seems to be knocking on the cops but we have to remember, although there may be crooked cops out there that will bust you for something you may have not even done they are not all like that, why not take it a step up and look at the root of the problem...its the government who is making these laws, police are meant to enforce them. Just my 2cents.

Cardinal Fang

06-21-2007, 01:19 PM

Sadly though....there are instances where police will use laws on the books to make life difficult for people. They'll end up having to fork out money to defend themselves against unfounded charges.

In all cases the police can only lay the charge. The Crown attorney's are the ones who decide whether or not to prosecute.

I knew I shouldn't have purchased that Shark Fin antena. It just makes the car look fast.

vanpatrick81

06-21-2007, 01:34 PM

Dang nabit. And I just bought me one of those AEM and Injen stickers that were designed to add 5 to 10 HP each. Man....

Caz

06-21-2007, 01:59 PM

MattC

06-21-2007, 02:10 PM

It sounds like being arrested for DUI on your way home from the beer store. You bought beer, so you are going to drink it and maybe you will be stupid enough to drive when drunk so here is you ticket.

haha! I agree cops are just the enforcers of the law, but they are also the ones that usually go really overboard... As we have seen recently with their other conquests.

Cardinal Fang

06-21-2007, 04:24 PM

Cardi, I totally agree with you about the intent part, but the artical does state:

“we don’t need to wait until that car hits the road fully loaded”

Maybe I am misunderstanding this statement. But it sounds like they are saying you built-up a car with performance mods and we can crush it before it is in a street race.

You heard correctly Caz but that doesn't mean that what the Minister was saying is correct. He's after a sound byte. Trying to sound tough on street racing given what happened on the Hwy 400 this week.

You have to go to the actual law to read the wording of it. Criminal law is based on "mens rea" otherwise known as the notion of criminal intent. This law is the same. I have yet to see the cops arresting people in their 750i's simply because they "might break the law." Until that day comes the sky isn't falling.

Flagrum_3

06-21-2007, 04:42 PM

Bet you this won't apply to hot rods or muscle cars.:complain

Yeah really! and what are they going to do about super cars like the Viper,Vet or Porsches and Farraris? Will they take them off the road too?
They'll (the Government) screw this up just like they did with gun control....i.e. Waste a billion dollars and not solve anything.

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MattC

06-21-2007, 04:56 PM

They'll (the Government) screw this up just like they did with gun control....i.e. Waste a billion dollars and not solve anything.

No truer words, have I read all day.

ptwonline

06-21-2007, 05:27 PM

This is just about politicians pretending that they are taking action...to make them look assertive to the public.

The reality is that this likely won't happen. I doubt it is even constitutional. Having parts on a car that can make it go much faster than the speed limit is hardly a strong indicator of intent, otherwise they should be seizing every sports/performance car out there. It will probably just be a law on the books to help try to punish people that they are pretty sure were racing but can't prove it, or else to punish the car owners and not just whoever was driving it. Like those 2 guys who killed a cab driver who said they weren't racing, but they were merely speeding.

sp3GT

06-22-2007, 02:07 AM

Has anyone seen this http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/crushed_hot_rods

They are really crushing them in Cali but kind of legit.

sauga_kid

06-22-2007, 09:21 AM

Just came across this:

http://www.thestar.com/article/227997

Guess it has gone into affect? They were equipped with radar detectors but I guess they didn't work, I hope they get their money back:chuckle

Garu

06-22-2007, 09:28 AM

I guess their parents gonna be mad because their vettes will get crushed in Canada!

ptwonline

06-22-2007, 09:46 AM

I guess their parents gonna be mad because their vettes will get crushed in Canada!

Crushed. What a waste that would be.

Seized cars should be donated to people who can't afford nicer cars but who won't drive them like maniacs. I'll make space in my garage for an orphaned car or two. :bana2

cwp_sedan

06-22-2007, 09:50 AM

Serves them right!

MattC

06-22-2007, 10:20 AM

I like this line in the article:

Police say since both cars were seized because they were modified.

So if you have a modified car... you deserve to have your car siezed?

Love the crack team of writers at the star, they have such a way with words...

Cardinal Fang

06-22-2007, 01:11 PM

I like this line in the article:

So if you have a modified car... you deserve to have your car siezed?

Uh no not necessarily. You've taken the quote out of context. The context to which the quote is being presented is this:

"A York Regional police officer on his way into work noticed two black Corvettes weaving in and out of traffic at speeds in upwards of 200 km/h around 4:30 p.m. yesterday."

The were traveling well in excess of the posted speed limit. I believe that a reckless driving charge. When the police pulled them over and looked at their car and found the modifications it compounded the situation for the two morons. Now they've shown the intent to which I talked about earlier. The added the mods to give them the performance they desired to drive recklessly.

Think of it this way. Lets say you have a permit to legally have a gun. The police can't simply come and take that away from you. Now lets say you've been caught holding up Broli (I'd applaud you for that by the way). Now they have every right to take that gun because it was used in the commission of a crime. That's nothing new.

What is new is that the province now wants to be able to take away your car if it was used in the commission of a crime (ie. street racing). I have no problem with that. The only problem I see is trying to prove street racing vs. reckless driving.

sauga_kid

06-22-2007, 03:02 PM

Could it not be said that street racing IS reckless driving? Especially when going at excess speeds of 200km/h. Street racing, in my opinion, can be determined by the 2+ cars recklessly driving at the same time and location...therefore one can be charged with recless driving without street racing, but if caught street racing, get nailed for reckless driving as well. Just my 2cents. Either way, good for the two 'vette drivers, total disregard for other people, go hit the track for everyone's sake.

stas

06-22-2007, 04:04 PM

So due to pupolar demands i am posting the find on MTO website with respect to the new Proposed Street Racing Regulation.

Follow this link and click on "Proposed Street Racing Regulation" beside 'Further Information'. http://www.ontariocanada.com/registry/view.do?postingId=980&language=en
there you will see the definitions of everything that motorists (no matter what their car looks like) of all ages (hopefully of ALL ages) can get nailed for.

Although this is still proposed but by the sounds of everything it will mostlikely be in place. They have been working on this for a while. I've already read articles in newspapers about it and lets hope cops will have fresh donuts every morning :chuckle.

sp3GT

06-22-2007, 04:11 PM

Seems to be no real point in this but it seems like if you speed, they can pull you over saying you were in a race or contest.

sp3GT

06-22-2007, 04:17 PM

I agree that street racing is a form of reckless driving. If they're going 200 + they should get their license suspended immediately if not taken away. The thing I don't understand is why would they race when someone was just killed a few days ago.

sauga_kid

06-22-2007, 04:20 PM

Why would you race on a highway period? It's just plain disregard for anyone else IMO.

rallyboy

06-22-2007, 04:28 PM

Most insurance companies will void you policy if your car is "modified from the original profile" ie. lowered, body kit etc.
Usually comes in to play when they are processing a claim

sp3GT

06-22-2007, 08:34 PM

Most insurance companies will void you policy if your car is "modified from the original profile" ie. lowered, body kit etc.
Usually comes in to play when they are processing a claim

Is that true? I went through my policy doesn't seem to show anything that relates.

Wild Weasel

06-23-2007, 09:25 PM

Is that true? I went through my policy doesn't seem to show anything that relates.

There's likely something in there stating that you have to inform them of any material changes to the vehicle.

As for racing on the streets... nobody is disagreeing that this is stupid (at least not vocally I suppose... there are idiots out there...) but that's not what this gov't action is about. This is about seizing cars of people they think might race in the future or some such ridiculous thing.

FLIPDADY

06-25-2007, 01:18 AM

Got a ticket today ($110) for Obstruction of plates on Bayview/John. Out of all the cars around me that had dark smoked plate covers the cop decides to pull me over b/c of my blue ones(Jeff if your reading this be careful man).:complain

I know it says it the the HTA but *** man cops are just picking on car enthusiasts for small shiet like this.

Skarbro

06-25-2007, 06:43 AM

Skarbro

06-25-2007, 06:44 AM

Is that true? I went through my policy doesn't seem to show anything that relates.
You won't find their filed rules in your policy. You really have to call them and beat the rules out of them.

Wild Weasel

06-25-2007, 08:55 AM

I'm surprised they didn't crush your car. :flaming

BTW what happened to the tread title?

Seriously! My thread, my title! WTF? :chuckle

Now that it's been modified, this whole thread will be crushed. :(

majic

06-25-2007, 09:45 AM

i think that was a result of a merge.. fixing it.. :)

Wild Weasel

06-25-2007, 09:56 AM

Woot! Back to stock! Saved from the crushers! :chuckle

MattC

06-25-2007, 10:11 AM

gotta love insurance companies, they are all for taking your cash, but when it comes time it pay out, they look for any loophole...

****ers.

Broli

06-25-2007, 10:19 AM

Woot! Back to stock! Saved from the crushers! :chuckle

i missed most of this thread . . .

and too lazy?

the sunflower is back to stock . . .

??

dont matter much, i would still crush the fawka!

haha

:chuckle

Wild Weasel

06-25-2007, 11:49 AM

i missed most of this thread . . .

and too lazy?

the sunflower is back to stock . . .

heh. No, I was talking about this thread. See the last few posts above to see what led to that. :chuckle

Broli

06-25-2007, 12:17 PM

the thread is back to stock

haha

Victorious52

06-25-2007, 01:34 PM

All i can say is ... it is what it is ... cant do much about it ... as long as your not street racing your ok ... they need proof to pocess your car and crush it or they need to catch you in the act ... If they pull you over for nothing and accuse you without proof and take your car without proof than you get a good lawyer and go to court ... by the way if you guys need a good lawyer let me know ... i got a realy good one that has put many lil powertrip cops in their place ... lol ... lil bastards pickin on us cuz we have nicer cars than they do ... and to see the disapointment on there face when the ticket (for bullshiet) that they give you is droped in court ... hahahahahaha.

Victorious52

06-25-2007, 01:37 PM

Well excuse my ignorance ... they are not all bastards ... some are normal people that dont let the blue outfit and badge get to their head ... but many others can suuuuuuc iiiiitttt.

WLS ZMZM

06-25-2007, 05:01 PM

Flip... all I can say is gotta love York Region LMAO.... that area is the worst to deal with police... I live around there so I know your pain... if they aren't hiding by St Elizabeth s/steeles... or on Kings College off of green lane, or even in one of the entrance to Thornlea... lmao... gotta love those f**kers still amazes me how they decided who to pick out..I got stopped last week... because of my HID's even though some BMW blew past me coming up Bayview as I was being pulled over.... its called priorities and YRP!!!! NEED TO LEARN THEM!!!:bang:bang

sp3GT

07-04-2007, 10:24 PM

Anyone read about this before, this could work.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/motorsports/0308scc_legal_nighttime_racing_in_san_diego/index.html

sauga_kid

07-05-2007, 09:16 AM

Not sure if anyone saw it on the news over the weekend, they busted a couple of guys racing down the 400. Was coming down from Lake Simcoe on Monday and came across them, one was a 3 and the other was a Tiburon I think, they got booked and there was two tow trucks standing by, not sure if the cars got taken away. Damn 3 driver, giving us bad publicity:bang

ptwonline

07-05-2007, 10:19 AM

gotta love insurance companies, they are all for taking your cash, but when it comes time it pay out, they look for any loophole...

****ers.

This is why health care in the US is such a mess. They do the same kinds of things trying to deny people care by looking for carefully hidden limits or loopholes in their policies. It's bad enough for a damaged car...can you imagine if it was your life on the line?

ptwonline

07-05-2007, 10:23 AM

Anyone read about this before, this could work.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/motorsports/0308scc_legal_nighttime_racing_in_san_diego/index.html

I think that would definitely help, but I see 3 big problems:

1. Not enough track availability for all the people who would want to race. It's weird human psychology, but a lot of people won't wait 3 hours in line to get their turn to race, but they'll wait just as long for Steeles Avenue to clear so they can go racing there.

2. Insurance. Not for the drivers--for the city. It would be very expensive to operate that around here. The parents of the first kid who killed himself on that track would sue for more millions than you could count.

3. Image. A lot of racers like the rebel image. Legitimate, legal racing on designated tracks? Bah! Not enough penis-in-a-leather-jacket factor.