Cops Will Be Able To Seize Your Car Starting Sunday

[JonsMazda]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_15223.aspx

[midnightfxgt]

2 years of tractor trailor deaths is more than 8 years of "street racing"... perhaps the focus is a little skewed?

Also - WTF?! If your caught at a blood Alcohol level of 0.05% you get a 3day suspension? I am very very against drunk driving, but c'mon.... no more grey areas. Its the law, make it black and white!

[b3GS]

Highway Traffic Act come into effect on Sunday that will make it possible for police to immediately impound the car of anyone caught doing 50 kilometres an hour or more over the speed limit on any highway or city street anywhere in the province.

I think this is good. There is NO need to be doing 50 over at anytime


The new legislation also targets those infamous traffic weavers, who slip in and out of lanes repeatedly, often leaving carnage in their wake.

*applaudes* these kinda dicks piss me off


I think this is all good as long as they don't 'target' guys with modifed cars as in past. If they are breaking the law.. fine.. but other then that.. leave them alone

[Skarbro]

2 years of tractor trailor deaths is more than 8 years of "street racing"... perhaps the focus is a little skewed?
CityTV has a way of making it sound a lot worse than it is for trucks. They always say "deaths involving tractor-trailers". What they don't tell you is what % of those deaths were the FAULT of the tractor-trailer driver. In most cases, it isn't the tractor-trailer's fault. The media likes to sensationalize tractor-trailer accidents for ratings. True, there are crappy truck drivers out there. Those are the guys that give all of them the bad rep also.

[3GFX]

Cops are definitly gonna be around out to enforce over the next week. Guess I picked a bad weekend to go travellin down the 401.

[REZXPERT]

be very careful out there....


(excerpt from Citynews.ca)

"Amendments to the Highway Traffic Act come into effect on Sunday that will make it possible for police to immediately impound the car of anyone caught doing 50 kilometres an hour or more over the speed limit on any highway or city street anywhere in the province.

Lead footed drivers who are clocked going over that magic number will also face increased fines - anywhere from $2,000 to $10,000. And they may have to take a cab or catch a lift to pay them - the law also allows cops to suspend their license for seven days.

Safer Roads For A Safer Ontario Act

-Police can issue an immediate roadside seven-day license suspension and seven-day vehicle impoundment for street racing, participating in a driving contest or stunt driving

-The maximum fine increases from $1,000 to $10,000 upon conviction for street racing, making it the highest penalty in Canada. The minimum fine increases from $200 to $2,000.

-Courts can impose a driver's license suspension of up to 10 years for a second conviction, if the second conviction occurs within 10 years of the first conviction.

-The Act also bans driving a motor vehicle on a highway with a connected nitrous oxide system. Some street racers use nitrous oxide to enhance the acceleration capabilities of their vehicle."

[WLS ZMZM]

honestly.. I think this legislation is just retarded.... I agree speeding is a terrible thing to do.... but I guess the police are going to be very busy this weekend.... as alot of people do high rates of speed but it just seems the police are worrying about the wrong things.... but meh thats just IMO

[S.F.W.]

threads merged.

[SP33D 3]

i think this law is bullshit... but since they're being so strict, does anyone know how to lower the limiter on our cars? and how easy is it to disable when going to the track, etc.

[b3GS]

i think this law is bullshit... but since they're being so strict, does anyone know how to lower the limiter on our cars? and how easy is it to disable when going to the track, etc.

why would you want to lower the limiter!?!?

can't you just NOT drive 50 over the speed limit :loco

[MattC]

god damn ***** baby boomers can't take high speeds... giving society a bad name.

its ok they will all be dead soon, and itll be our turn to rule.

[RedRaptor]

I think this is good. There is NO need to be doing 50 over at anytime

+1

Anyone who tries to justify why they are 50km/h over the speed limit needs some help.

[garboui]

+1

Anyone who tries to justify why they are 50km/h over the speed limit needs some help.

ummm.... can i take this one. What about twisty smooth 2 lane back country roads that have a limit of 50km/h for no good reason, just because it became twisty. if your having fun its not hard to break the 100 barrier if its nice sweeping turns. brings back memories of my scenic route on the way home yesterday.

OTOH.... ....I still think that speeding excessively >20km/h over anywhere else is just plain stupid. and some areas that ive driven 10 over is pushing it. and i agree with the 50 over law but it should still have some lineancy like any other speeding ticket. ie. up in the middle of nowhere on a road that you can see miles in both direction.

[yearoftherat]

You guys can bitch all you want but its now the law and if you don't like it well thats too bad. For those that know where I work, I see the tragedy of those that speed and they end up being at my place of work. We get several calls to the ER during the week and I just shake my head when I hear that the MVA was due to reckless driving or speeding.

[dentinger]

its ok they will all be dead soon, and itll be our turn to rule.

haha
FTW!!

[yearoftherat]

yeah its funny unless those baby boomers are your parents

[PlatMS6]

Bah stupid laws...

The law was made so that they can make a lot of money really really fast (well the impound part is longer but it will be $$$$$).

The law is harder on speeders technically now than people that drink and drive over the legal limit!!!!!!!!!

So I could get into my car and hit 151, get a 1 week licence suspension, with my car being impounded for 1 week as well. OR I could go get liqured up, barely know where I am, get a 24 Hour suspension (1st time offence) and I could actually get someone to pick up my car (ie family member) so that it is not impounded.

Now compare the statistics for deaths that are alcohol related, to speed... you're gonna laugh...

Just looking at that you know what they are after, public submission by fear of the big bad speeders, to get their pockets lined!

Now I am not sure what the rest of you guys see on the roads, but I often (more like every night) see night traffic with a group of cars that do ~140 together... this is like 30-50 yr olds just going home from work, not punks... so if someone passes or anything like that and does 150 momentarily (which is a perfectly acceptable speed on an open highway) they would be labled as the big bad street terrorists! (Reminds me of BUSH somehow)

[fini]

The problem with MVA isn't solely due to speed. In fact, in the grand scheme of driving on the road, it probably contributes to very little accidents. The problem is people (unfortunately a large majority) who don't follow the simple rules of the road. In other words "don't know how to drive"

Stuff like:
- left lane = passing
- yield left lane to faster traffic

Just look at the autobahn in germany, there are no more MVA's there than in US or Canada where we have speed limits. Why is that? largely due to the fact that the people follow the rules of the road.

Studies have shown that no matter what speed limit you put, the majority will still go as fast as they feel "safe"

[Skarbro]

It's interesting how everyone thinks they are a great driver, but thinks most everyone else on the road is a crappy driver...

[yearoftherat]

I agree with you on that one..

[fini]

I never implied that I'm a perfect or great driver. That's why I don't weave, speed excessively, just try to be as safe as I can. and at the same time follow the rules like stated above.
But I'm saying that there are people, and a lot of them who really suck. That's just what I see everyday as I'm on the road a lot

I was just stating the facts from studies made

[WLS ZMZM]

Truthfully.... I don't think speed is the factor here.... I am 26 years old.. and yes I was once one of those 17 year old punks who weaved in and out showing off for girls thinking I was the man... when I look back on it I was such a tool!!! And was lucky to not get into any accidents. I really and truly believe that it is driver training and harder testing to get a license which needs to be implemented.... my gf's sister (who is my age) just got her G2... the other day and truthfully she has no business being on the road... she has to be one of the worst drivers I've ever seen...

If the government was smart, and made it much more difficult to get a license, these "high speed" accidents wouldn't really be an issue, as these 17 year old "punks" wouldn't be on the roads thinking they run shit.... classic example one of my neighbours who is now 18 just got his G2 and man o man does he think he is god.. the limit on my street is 40 and I caught him doing about 120 easy.... now there are alot of little kids in my hood... so I went to his house told him off then told his rents....

Not all modified vehicles are the issue here.... just those who try to live their life fast & the furious.... there is a difference..... between a street racer and an Import tuner.... and the police don't seem to understand that.... which is truly sad.... as for the deaths in street racing... of course they are increasing... as they are only really being brought attention to now :p Street racing has been around since the 40's and 50's with the rat rods and old sleds... its just been more glorified as of the last 10 years...

As usual its just a few bad apples that ruin it for the bunch.... I'm not saying all young teenagers are the issue because I know a few of them who are very responsible... but for the most part most of them are idiots who think they know how to drive........

[Skarbro]

They made it clear that this isn't just about young teen drivers. It also targets "your 50-year-old businessmen in suits driving really expensive vehicles, sometimes with their families in them".

[WLS ZMZM]

I know.... but the main idea here is to get rid of the "street racers" the more I read the article the funnier it gets.... how is doing this going to stop people from street racing?? Its like they hope that if they put in a strong enough penalty people will stop?? now I think street racing is retarded, you wanna race take it to a track.. and not having one close is not an excuse, but really its another typical government crackhead idea that won't work...at least thats IMO. I understand that they are aiming for everyone who does it.. but I really don't think they are going to take away the car from a 50 something man with his family... I could be wrong.. but I just don't see it... its like if a car is involved in an accident... its okay... it was an accident soon as the car is a honda or a modified vehicle it becomes automatic street racing... this is just another media fiasco... that the government hopes is going to help.. shit whats next.. speed humps on every road?

[Skarbro]

They use the term "Street Racer" too liberally. But the intention of the law is to deter extreme speeders and extreme traffic-weavers. Now it's all just semantics as to whether or not those things can be called Street Racing.

[WLS ZMZM]

true enough... but thats part of my point... the term "street racer" has become too generalized and is being used or I should say thrown around too much.... without having the proper context. I guess I just find it a little extreme.... you lose your car, possibly your license and face fines of $10,000, get caught intoxicated and its like a slap on the wrist.. definitely makes sense... besides there have been 35 "street racing" fatalities over the last 7 years... thats on avg 5 a year.... do the police not have anything better to do??

[b]

besides there have been 35 "street racing" fatalities over the last 7 years... thats on avg 5 a year....

I agree. That is next to nothing. I've heard of more seniors (that shouldn't be driving) that have run people over and killed them per year.

[PlatMS6]

Like I said before, they just want quick $$$, of course they will include the 50 yr old busniess man, most of the time they will just pay so it goes away!

I can't wait till they try to pull that shit on a lawyer with a big mouth... and makes a public mockery of the whole thing!

[WLS ZMZM]

I agree with you Platt they realyl are looking for a quick buck... proof of that is the fact that if you interfere with the officer (so friend who is arguing) they can be fined up to $2000 and possibly even jailed.... now thats just pathetic.... :complain

[PlatMS6]

What will also increase is cases where people flee... not that I am condoning it in any way, but when someone is already doing 150-200+ and cannot afford a minimum 2k fine, and fly's by a 5yr old run down Impala that's stationary with a half-asleep rookie, taking that extra risk will be waaaaaaay more attractive now (esp. with ever increasing affordable cars that easily hit 150mph/240+kmh in a real hurry)! The only extra risk they are taking on is some jail time if they can't afford a good lawyer.

Hell I've seen on numerous occations where cops try to chase down sport bikes, and after 30 seconds just turn off their flashy's and little sirens and give up...

That never makes it in the news since it is a bit embarrasing to the force, only the crap where they catch a 30-50 yr old that was rushing a bit to the cottage or to work doing a bit faster on the highway.... and they try to make a news specatacle out of it with Wooley talking on camera as if the guy was a rapist that ripped limbs out of sockets.

So what have they done now, but increase the public's risk 10 fold!

To me this is just another embarrasing law that states that CDN's are too primative and DUMB to drive at speeds that other places in the world find perfectly acceptable if the conditions are safe with no ill effect on the public.

[WLS ZMZM]

:agree

You bring up some really great points.. I just don't understand why waste all this money an focus on something that really isn't as big a problem as its being made to be.. I'm not really scared of the person who drives 160 on the hwy what scares me is some of the cars that are on the hwy!! For instance these cars that are falling apart or have no working brake lights.. to me thats a hell of a lot more dangerous..... I was following a guy the other day every time he braked his fourways and headlights would flash.... I mean how is this car still on the road... No wonder we get made fun of all the time... we waste all of our resources on stupid shit..... I understand that at times the police don't really have anything to do... but why is it necessary to have 3 cruisers side by side by side... chilling idling in a parking lot for 3 hrs??? or how can the police pull people over for being on their cell phone when they do it themselves.... ?

[Skarbro]

Are you guys advocating the right to drive 150km/h+ and weaving in and out of traffic without strong deterrents? The 401 stretch over Toronto is the busiest stretch of highway in the world. There is a need for rules and deterrents.

And drawing attention to other things like cars without working brake lights doesn't negate the fact that we need tough deterrents on roads for extreme speeders and weavers. On any given drive on the 401 I see a hell of a lot more extreme speeders and weavers than I do unsafe vehicles or cars with hazard lights on. If you want to draw on example, then let me tell you how a white Mazda3 hatchback (yes one of our own), driving at least 150 km/hr, weaving through heavy traffic on the 401 yesterday came within 1 foot of my car just to get into the lane in front of me. I had my wife and our newborn in the car. My first instinct was to chase that ****er down. But I'm not going to endanger my family or my own well being, when all I would be doing is perpetuating the idiocy. People like that need strong deterrents.

And how much money do you think it's costing the Government to put this new law in place? It's the same cops out there, just able to punish harsher.

Honestly, if you don't do these things then it shouldn't even be a concern of yours.

For my kid's sake, any new law that will deter people from driving like complete idiots in heavy traffic, I'm all for.

And for the record - I agree that we need tougher laws for idiots who drive talking on their cell phones.

[WLS ZMZM]

I'm by no means condoning the excessive speeding.... I'm just stating that I feel this "blitz" if you will is ill fated. I do agree that these people should be charged more harshly.... I guess I just feel that there are really more pressing issues. The government has turned this into some kind of crusade... against street racing when in fact its a crusade against dangerous driving!! Now please don't get me wrong by no means do I think speeding or street racing is okay... and I'm sorry to hear that some :AH did what he did... with your family being in the vehicle. I just think as usual the governement is wasting tax payers money.... and while you say its the same officers.. let't not forget this ingenious idea that was hatched of having a police plane.... believe you me, thats not the same tax money... the problem here is the lack of education....

I'm by no means sayin that I don't speed I admit I'm guilty of it... just certain areas I think you have to be a retard to speed in I.e. school zones... or residential streets.... I think thats what people are missing here... I think the fools who whip in and out of traffic should be charged... had an :AH the other day tailing me in his BMW might as well have opened the trunk for him he was so close... he comes whipping up the inside turn lane.. almost taking off the back quarter of my car... then cuts me off..

To be doing 50km/h over the limit in a 60 km/h zone should be charged cuz that is unnecessary... and before you flame me here :flaming I'm not saying its right... but honestly... 150 km/h doesnt seem that fast when you take into account most people especially on the 407 are doing around 140km/h anyways..... Sadly everyone seems to be in a rush these days.... god forbid they were to give themselves an extra 5 mins...

[PlatMS6]

Everything would be fine if they raise the speed limit to 130kmh/80mph on Ontario highways!

Anyone doing 180 on the highways is excessive and should get what the cops are proposing now at 50 over 100.

Hell if flipping Texans can survive hitting 130 on a regular basis, I'm pretty sure Canadians can as well for ****s sake.....

100kmh was set up when your granfathers had 4000+lb Buicks with 4 wheel drum brakes and worse tires than what ppl have on bicycles now... they even had it raised to 70mph at one point

The public is just programmed by hysterical Wooley and the media into thinking that its wrong to drive at what is a reasonable pace, well 80% of the traffic does 130-140 already, but if you're caught alone you would get pulled over....it just makes no friggin sense.......the bastids just friggin want money!

130 is the norm in most of Europe as well.


Germany's Autobahn "free driving for free citizens" ........... one of the most civilized countries in the world

[WLS ZMZM]

the only issue I see with that is the fact that if they were to raise the speed limit, people will speed much more then they are currently... people are stupid with that if its 100 km/h we do 140 kmh/h if its 130 km/h they'll do 180 km/h I'm not sure if raising the speed limit would be a fix or more of a hinderence... I know there was talk about it on the 407 but I dunno whatever happened to it.

[stas]

:pop
oh man, this is way too funny, this is why i dont want to leave this club, these arguments are so much fun......

ok, now my turn :complain

1. so everyone knows racing while endangering innocent by standers is a no no.... ok we got the point and its idiotic to argue this. but what constitutes as endangering the innocent people? (i would actually like some opinions on this) but i think its would we taking your mommys benz or especially caravan and gunning down a dundas and yonge (ie anywhere where u know there will be people. if you are not sure if there will be people ****ing make sure. and dont be a douche racing down at YOUR of your cars limit after all some people might be smoking up in the bushes at 19th avenue and bayview or someone kid might be walkign to school at 2am through a warehouse district.

2. our govenrment is dumb...cant agree more. while in every other country governments support automotive sports (I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT STREET RACING!!!!) because automotive sports are most expensive but ours simply makes life harder, if a track is 2 hours aways from toronto then its not ****ing local.

3. they are also trying to destroy the hobby. who in their right mind would set up roadblocks and order the cops to pull over show cars and give them tickets while they are 100meters away from Darknights....

4. belive me i can keep going.... but going in and out of traffic for the joy of it is dumb.

5. p.s. i wouldn't be surprised or upset if people will start running from cops.... just watch out for the new chargers especially in peel region

[fini]

the only issue I see with that is the fact that if they were to raise the speed limit, people will speed much more then they are currently... people are stupid with that if its 100 km/h we do 140 kmh/h if its 130 km/h they'll do 180 km/h I'm not sure if raising the speed limit would be a fix or more of a hinderence... I know there was talk about it on the 407 but I dunno whatever happened to it.

Read this study made by the US Dept of Tranportation.
Raising and lower speed limits has little to no effect.
The conclusion was made that people will drive whatever speed they feel is "safe".
http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html

[PlatMS6]

5. p.s. i wouldn't be surprised or upset if people will start running from cops.... just watch out for the new chargers especially in peel region

A very very small percentage of them will house the HEMI.. ppl that flee will now make news more often for sure no matter what the coppers have

[Garu]

People's driving habit changed quite a bit since 10 years ago.
Test it for yourself.
Drive around the town at speed limit, you will notice more than 50% of people driving 20 to 30 km over speed limit. It doesn't matter gender/age group/what they're driving. They just tend to drive faster these days.

[fini]

The purpose of the study isn't to say how much people go above or below the speed limit, but the effects of changing it.

So I was just pointing out originally to WLS that raising the limit to 150 doesn't mean people will be doing 180. Instead, they will still go as fast as they feel safe. I just took a quick read into the intro and through to conclusions.

[WLS ZMZM]

well as for the whole modded thing Stas they were pulling the show cars over that are not street legal.... and this is where I get annoyed. I understand pulling a car off the road if it's not modded safely I.e. too low, etc etc... but because you personally feel my exhaust is "annoying" even though it meets the legal requirements is a pain in my ass... I do understand that there are some vehicles on the streets that are not legal, thats great go after them... and train the officers so as they know what to look for.... I mean really...

[JMAK74]

Like I said before, they just want quick $$$, of course they will include the 50 yr old busniess man, most of the time they will just pay so it goes away!

Wouldn't it be easier and probably bring in a lot more cash (compared to catching and issuing fines for speeders) if they just increased any fees associated with motor vehicles and/or lowered the engine size requirements so that a licence is required? Make it that farm equipmemt (tractors, etc) now require plates?


Everything would be fine if they raise the speed limit to 130kmh/80mph on Ontario highways!... ...well 80% of the traffic does 130-140 already

Based on that, and as seeing a good number of people still drink and drive (it should be zero/none/nada), should they increase BAC for DUI to 0.09 or 0.1?

PlatMS6 - these are not personal attacks - you have made some valid points, however I'm seeing some holes on these

Maybe a better way this whole speeding thing should be handled is based on a % over the speed limit determines the fine. Think - 30km over in a 100 is 30%. 30 km over in a 40 is 75%. Of course, this would mean a whole new debate as to what fine/charge/penalty is applied at what %.

JMAK

[tweak_s]

true enough... but thats part of my point... the term "street racer" has become too generalized and is being used or I should say thrown around too much.... without having the proper context. I guess I just find it a little extreme.... you lose your car, possibly your license and face fines of $10,000, get caught intoxicated and its like a slap on the wrist.. definitely makes sense... besides there have been 35 "street racing" fatalities over the last 7 years... thats on avg 5 a year.... do the police not have anything better to do??

I completltey agree with this.

I'm not saying the authorities don't know anything I'm sure they do.. but the way that the term "street racing" is being used makes the authorities sound ignorant and naive.

Mainly the speeders that I see are from SUVs, are middle aged men in vans, its retarted.

[Unoriginalusername]

What will also increase is cases where people flee... not that I am condoning it in any way, but when someone is already doing 150-200+ and cannot afford a minimum 2k fine, and fly's by a 5yr old run down Impala that's stationary with a half-asleep rookie, taking that extra risk will be waaaaaaay more attractive now (esp. with ever increasing affordable cars that easily hit 150mph/240+kmh in a real hurry)! The only extra risk they are taking on is some jail time if they can't afford a good lawyer.

Hell I've seen on numerous occations where cops try to chase down sport bikes, and after 30 seconds just turn off their flashy's and little sirens and give up...

That never makes it in the news since it is a bit embarrasing to the force, only the crap where they catch a 30-50 yr old that was rushing a bit to the cottage or to work doing a bit faster on the highway.... and they try to make a news specatacle out of it with Wooley talking on camera as if the guy was a rapist that ripped limbs out of sockets.

So what have they done now, but increase the public's risk 10 fold!

To me this is just another embarrasing law that states that CDN's are too primative and DUMB to drive at speeds that other places in the world find perfectly acceptable if the conditions are safe with no ill effect on the public.

there is a no chase law for bikes, not for cars

[mazda lover]

god damn ***** baby boomers can't take high speeds... giving society a bad name.

its ok they will all be dead soon, and itll be our turn to rule.

One day you will be a ***** old boomer. You at that older age might find it difficult to cope with a speed limit of 150, not able to make snap decisions or respond as quickly as you used to when you were a bright star. Maybe we should ban all the boomers from the road so when you get that older age we can ban you. We have to make limits to suit all aged drivers, so suck it up and live with it. What an inmature statement..

[PlatMS6]

41 Drivers overnight, first one being a couple of minutes after midnight... over 24 cars impounded....

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_15302.aspx

Yeah.... Toronto has that many speed demons I'm sure..........


"The OPP sergeant <Wooley> said he wants aggressive driving to be viewed in the same light as impaired driving."

Umm no he has made it tougher on speeders, first offence for being piss drunk is a 24 hour suspension, your insurance wouldn't take as a hard of a hit and you would be out less money LOLs..... what a farce, they just want more change in the piggy bank...

[Skarbro]

Umm no he has made it tougher on speeders, first offence for being piss drunk is a 24 hour suspension
That's incorrect. The mandatory temporary suspension of licence when charged with drunk driving is 90 days, not 24 hours.

[Skarbro]

Haha I love this... (from the Star)



It was enough to drive one young man to tears after he became one of the first stopped by the Ontario Provincial Police after the law – aimed at drivers doing more than 50 kilometres over the speed limit – came into effect yesterday.
"A young man started crying as his mom's car was impounded," said OPP Sgt. Cam Woolley, unable to say if the tears were prompted by the temporary loss of the car, the potential fine, or in anticipation of mom's wrath.

[mEtH]

At times I think these laws are quite dumb, but when you look at society and the amount of morons out there, it all becomes clear. Especially when I am on my way home from the gas station and see a fixed up DelSol wrapped around a pole on a secluded street.

Makes ya think sometimes...

[b3GS]

I hate how the media is still using the blanket statement of 'street racers' to report on this new law. they are SPEEDERS for f sakes, not street racers.

But I guess Street Racers sound more 'evil'

on that note however, I'm glad they've caught a bunch of people so soon, maybe some people will slow the **** down now.. doing 50 over is just not needed. I think that driving excessively fast also increases your potential for road rage.. you get going fast, and when someone is even doing 120 in front of you, you get pissed off because they're slowing you down... and the person doing a reasonable 120 gets pissed off because the person doing 150 is driving like an :AH and it usually ends up in people doing something stupid on the roads... not good

[WLS ZMZM]

(1)

So because street racers kill only 5 people per year on average, it's not an issue worth tackling? Wow. I can't see the logic in such a statement. And, for all the excuses along the lines of, "The police have more important crime to deal with," that is entirely irrelevant. Contrary to popular belief, the police can multi-task. Killing anyone via street racing, even just 5 per year, is entirely needless. I'm all for hunting down excessive speeders. The OPP also stated that of the 300+ Ontario highway deaths in 2007, 85+ of those were caused by aggressive driving. That may not be specifically 'street racing,' but who's really looking? It's all the same thing. (They just like to use the term 'street racing,' but in reality, it just refers to aggressive drivers.) That number far surpasses the 5 per year death count a previous poster stated above.

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The statistic provided came from city news itself its approx 35 street racing deaths over the last 7 years... works out to be roughly 5 a year.... my point was not to say that it should be stopped.... just to make people realize its really not as bad as people are making it seem.... considering "aggerssive driving" and "street racing" the same thing is just stupidity.... there is a difference.... as for the police multi-tasking... I don't know where you live but come on up to York Region.. and see how our officers multi-task... if eating a donut and drinking a coffee at the same time is multi-tasking then you are most definitely correct!! if you compare the stats of people being killed due to street racing or those killed due to DUI's... you tell me what we should be focused on?? I am definitely not an advocate for street racing.... as I think its stupid... what I am trying to say is that I think there is too much focus being put on this.. I mean really 24 people last night?? it's the first bloody.. night... like I said in one of my previous post's this is just a crusade to try and make the OPP and the government look good.... and just another way to justify the outrageous amount of tax payers money that they are spending... on that stupid plane!

Again this all just IMO.....
:)

[WLS ZMZM]

Found this line on the citynews website and had trouble trying not to laugh

"The OPP sergeant said he wants aggressive driving to be viewed in the same light as impaired driving"

They want it to be viewed the same.. but impounded 24 cars in the last 24 hrs.... I don't think I've ever heard that many cars impounded over a holiday weekend for DUI cases... that makes tons of sense... Good job officer Woolley you keep doing your citynews spots oh and dont forget to smile :chuckle

[stas]

Found this line on the citynews website and had trouble trying not to laugh

"The OPP sergeant said he wants aggressive driving to be viewed in the same light as impaired driving"

They want it to be viewed the same.. but impounded 24 cars in the last 24 hrs.... I don't think I've ever heard that many cars impounded over a holiday weekend for DUI cases... that makes tons of sense... Good job officer Woolley you keep doing your citynews spots oh and dont forget to smile :chuckle

+1

i'm

[stas]

Found this line on the citynews website and had trouble trying not to laugh

"The OPP sergeant said he wants aggressive driving to be viewed in the same light as impaired driving"

They want it to be viewed the same.. but impounded 24 cars in the last 24 hrs.... I don't think I've ever heard that many cars impounded over a holiday weekend for DUI cases... that makes tons of sense... Good job officer Woolley you keep doing your citynews spots oh and dont forget to smile :chuckle

+1

i'm actually curious as to how many cars they can impound. there will come a point when people won't be taking them out, and they will run out of space to place cars.

[EvilDeadFan]

I'm not some crazy speeder. I'm fine with these laws. I'm sick of seeing idiots in ghetto civics that look like they're held together with bailing wire going 50+ and weaving in and out of traffic because they just don't care.

[nicker]

I agree that this law is needed. I do disagree with the "TAG" Street Racers. There is a difference I think with two people racing down a street or HWY compared to the guy just speeding and weaving in and out of traffice of following to ****ing close!

With that said, its pretty sad that they will NO doubt target cars that look to be more of a race type car or one done up. WHICH SUCKS. I think if we want to do up our cars add parts to enhance the perfomance/speed/sound then that is up to us. providing its done in a safe manner People take pride in their cars and like like to do them up and mod them. That shouldn't be a reason to pull them over becuase their car looks fast!

[Skarbro]

I agree that this law is needed. I do disagree with the "TAG" Street Racers. There is a difference I think with two people racing down a street or HWY compared to the guy just speeding and weaving in and out of traffice of following to ****ing close!

With that said, its pretty sad that they will NO doubt target cars that look to be more of a race type car or one done up. WHICH SUCKS. I think if we want to do up our cars add parts to enhance the perfomance/speed/sound then that is up to us. providing its done in a safe manner People take pride in their cars and like like to do them up and mod them. That shouldn't be a reason to pull them over becuase their car looks fast!
I think you're really jumping to conclusions. I don't remember reading anywhere in the recent news anything about them targetting modded cars. You're just speculating.

And really this whole thing about how they shouldn't call it street racing is getting old fast. Who cares if it targets street racers or not? Are you a street racer? If not, then what do you care? The fact of the matter, its there to deter extreme speeding and weaving. Street racing just happens to incorporate those traits and sensationalizes the whole thing, hence why the media has latched onto that term.

[Magitronic]

Since 1999, there have been 35 deaths directly attributed to the practice

Good god, 35 deaths?? Who the hell cares, thats about 4ppl a year. No offence, but start focusing on real issues. How much money was wasted on the targeting of street racers and the preperation of passing this law, and for what becuz 35ppl have died in about 9 years??? Yet in Dafur where 2million ppl have been displaced, and a couple HUNDRED THOUSAND have died .. we do nothing. Gotta love retarded Canadian Society. As for the .005 to .008 , thats bullshit, the Law is .008, so if your under the limit, you should be free. Having a beer, or 2 over a hour or so in a night, shouldnt cause you to get nailed with a DUI, again, good job retarded Canadian Society.

[Skarbro]

Since 1999, there have been 35 deaths directly attributed to the practice

Good god, 35 deaths?? Who the hell cares, thats about 4ppl a year. No offence, but start focusing on real issues. How much money was wasted on the targeting of street racers and the preperation of passing this law, and for what becuz 35ppl have died in about 9 years??? Yet in Dafur where 2million ppl have been displaced, and a couple HUNDRED THOUSAND have died .. we do nothing. Gotta love retarded Canadian Society. As for the .005 to .008 , thats bullshit, the Law is .008, so if your under the limit, you should be free. Having a beer, or 2 over a hour or so in a night, shouldnt cause you to get nailed with a DUI, again, good job retarded Canadian Society.
Are you saying that since 1999 there have been only 35 deaths directly attributed to speeding and/or extreme weaving??

[stas]

Are you saying that since 1999 there have been only 35 deaths directly attributed to speeding and/or extreme weaving??

i believe the correct way of phrasing it would be 35 dealths "due to" (they havent proven every death) street racing.

[Skarbro]

Again - Street Racing is only one element of the big picture. Can't we get past this street racing thing? It's not just about street racing. It's about extreme drivers in general.

[hood]

I think it should be up to the cops discretion wether to charge you with "street racing" or not. I totally agree within city streets there should be no tolerance, but if you are on an open highway with minimal cars you shouldnt be charged. Hell, i dont get why cops waste there time sitting on these empty highways just ready to catch someone doing 150 km/h safely. If there is alot of traffic and the fast lane is doing 130 and some decides to do 150 while weaving then they should be caught. As for the cops just making money off these empty streches of roads is stupid, if the government want to make money legalize marjiuwana. But as long as you feel safe and you are making the road a safe place around you, i dont think these penalties should be so harsh. And just for the record i am against street racing, and being caught doing 50 over on a highway with not many cars around shouldnt be labeled as a street racing, who the hell are you racing.

[stas]

:pop
its up to a cops discretion where he enjoys the donut, on an empty stretch of road or not.

but basically, it has come to a point when many won't stop, if someone is already going 150 on a 401 then he has enough time to speed up, get off the highway, and hide. (in a car that can actually go fast, not a suzuki)
and that is why i think this is a stupid punishment.

[b3GS]

:pop
its up to a cops discretion where he enjoys the donut, on an empty stretch of road or not.

but basically, it has come to a point when many won't stop, if someone is already going 150 on a 401 then he has enough time to speed up, get off the highway, and hide. (in a car that can actually go fast, not a suzuki)
and that is why i think this is a stupid punishment.

I think this steps into a whole other category though.. because if you did that, you would then be evading the police, which could get you jail time

it's one thing to speed and get caught, it's another to try to get away from the cops for catching you speeding

[stas]

I think this steps into a whole other category though.. because if you did that, you would then be evading the police, which could get you jail time

it's one thing to speed and get caught, it's another to try to get away from the cops for catching you speeding

there are alot of people that cant afford to get pulled over for something like this, and yet they will not stop going 50 over. so i am sure that this new punishment will create an even greater problem, evading police.

[b3GS]

there are alot of people that cant afford to get pulled over for something like this, and yet they will not stop going 50 over. so i am sure that this new punishment will create an even greater problem, evading police.

I have to disagree

if they can afford the new fines, then they certainly could have afforded the old fines. So whats the difference with those people?

Now they will also have to deal with loosing their licence, and car for at least a short period of time. I think the majority of reasonable people would consider this reason enough not to be doing 50+ over, or drive dangerously by weaving and such.

Evading police could be considered a criminal act. Somehow I don't think many people imagine being able to get away from the police. And those who are stupid enough to try to run from the cops, would have done it under the previous laws as well.

[chinsterr]

Cam Wolley is a clown .

[Nextmod]

I think you're really jumping to conclusions. I don't remember reading anywhere in the recent news anything about them targetting modded cars. You're just speculating.

And really this whole thing about how they shouldn't call it street racing is getting old fast. Who cares if it targets street racers or not? Are you a street racer? If not, then what do you care? The fact of the matter, its there to deter extreme speeding and weaving. Street racing just happens to incorporate those traits and sensationalizes the whole thing, hence why the media has latched onto that term.

trust me, they do target modded cars lol

but if you are not doing anything stupid they cant do anything to ya usually

[dentinger]

do does this mean i shouldnt drive around with my underglow on now??? lol

[CanadaGTO]

do does this mean i shouldnt drive around with my underglow on now??? lol


I think you'll be fine.

Just make sure you have it hooked up to your EQ, so it pulses to the beat of NWA's "F#(k the Police" as you drive down the road :)

[WLS ZMZM]

I think you're really jumping to conclusions. I don't remember reading anywhere in the recent news anything about them targetting modded cars. You're just speculating.
.


ok... now I may be assuming here but I'm guessing you've never been bothered because your car is modified?? as a few people have stated just cuz the car looks like it could be raced doesn't mean it is..... my civic is fully done, stereo, full exhaust lowered, gauges etc etc... and I don't I REPEATN DON"T street race the car.... and yet I got pulled over all the time for the dumbest things
- routine checks
- car being too low
- annoying exhaust *thats right an officer told me my exhaust was annoying*
- clear corners (even with amber corner lights)
- stereo being too loud
- and even just cuz one cop wanted to check over the car
- even got stopped once as I have an autocannon plate cover that says
"drive fast, race hard"
- modified cars are always attacked... and for no reason at all other then to give people a rough time... the P.A.C.E.R sticker is clearly visible on my civic but that makes no difference to them!!!

I have been accused of the stupidest things... my stiffening cap being nitrous... my car smoking... (it was -20 out and the car was just started got stopped around the corner from my house), that my rims were stolen... any dumbass excuse to waste my time...

driving a modified car makes you an automatic target...whether your behaving or not... police love to pull these cars over as its an easy attempt to find a ticket.... maybe you have experienced this... but truthfully it was one of the reasons I bought the 3... and only use my civic once in a while... the weekend before I got my 3 I was pulled over 8 times... for no reason got no tickets but wasted my time.... it really gets frustrating...

[stas]

ok... now I may be assuming here but I'm guessing you've never been bothered because your car is modified?? as a few people have stated just cuz the car looks like it could be raced doesn't mean it is..... my civic is fully done, stereo, full exhaust lowered, gauges etc etc... and I don't I REPEATN DON"T street race the car.... and yet I got pulled over all the time for the dumbest things
- routine checks
- car being too low
- annoying exhaust *thats right an officer told me my exhaust was annoying*
- clear corners (even with amber corner lights)
- stereo being too loud
- and even just cuz one cop wanted to check over the car
- even got stopped once as I have an autocannon plate cover that says
"drive fast, race hard"
- modified cars are always attacked... and for no reason at all other then to give people a rough time... the P.A.C.E.R sticker is clearly visible on my civic but that makes no difference to them!!!

I have been accused of the stupidest things... my stiffening cap being nitrous... my car smoking... (it was -20 out and the car was just started got stopped around the corner from my house), that my rims were stolen... any dumbass excuse to waste my time...

driving a modified car makes you an automatic target...whether your behaving or not... police love to pull these cars over as its an easy attempt to find a ticket.... maybe you have experienced this... but truthfully it was one of the reasons I bought the 3... and only use my civic once in a while... the weekend before I got my 3 I was pulled over 8 times... for no reason got no tickets but wasted my time.... it really gets frustrating...

....:whoa now that i think about it, it might have been a bad idea getting an rsx....got to find my sister and take my 3 back from her:chuckle

but damn 8 times??? thats insane, but it is true cops do like to pull over modded cars, maybe we should start moving our meets to 16th and woodbine, Kennedy Common, islington and 7, that way more people in this club would realize that cops tend to be "not nice" to those with modded cars. as an example the first meet we had at caledonia and castlefield, has anyone counted the number of times cops drove through the lot??? and we still got ticketed for no reason.

[Skarbro]

ok... now I may be assuming here but I'm guessing you've never been bothered because your car is modified?? as a few people have stated just cuz the car looks like it could be raced doesn't mean it is..... my civic is fully done, stereo, full exhaust lowered, gauges etc etc... and I don't I REPEATN DON"T street race the car.... and yet I got pulled over all the time for the dumbest things
- routine checks
- car being too low
- annoying exhaust *thats right an officer told me my exhaust was annoying*
- clear corners (even with amber corner lights)
- stereo being too loud
- and even just cuz one cop wanted to check over the car
- even got stopped once as I have an autocannon plate cover that says
"drive fast, race hard"
- modified cars are always attacked... and for no reason at all other then to give people a rough time... the P.A.C.E.R sticker is clearly visible on my civic but that makes no difference to them!!!

I have been accused of the stupidest things... my stiffening cap being nitrous... my car smoking... (it was -20 out and the car was just started got stopped around the corner from my house), that my rims were stolen... any dumbass excuse to waste my time...

driving a modified car makes you an automatic target...whether your behaving or not... police love to pull these cars over as its an easy attempt to find a ticket.... maybe you have experienced this... but truthfully it was one of the reasons I bought the 3... and only use my civic once in a while... the weekend before I got my 3 I was pulled over 8 times... for no reason got no tickets but wasted my time.... it really gets frustrating...
I don't argue that modded cars get pulled over disproportionately more. But I don't see how that applies to the new law. Either you're driving like a maniac or you aren't. This isn't the same as pulling you over and trying to ticket you for smoked licence plate covers.

[ZeroChalk]

there are alot of people that cant afford to get pulled over for something like this, and yet they will not stop going 50 over. so i am sure that this new punishment will create an even greater problem, evading police.

And those people are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to drive cars period! It's a privilege to drive not a right.

I think this program will be great. Speed.. but not excessively..

[stas]

And those people are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to drive cars period! It's a privilege to drive not a right.

I think this program will be great. Speed.. but not excessively..

thank you for....restating the media.
but seriously i agree, the only time i speed (more then 10over) on busy(ish) streets is when im in a serious hurry. otherwise not worth it. even then i dont go 50 over. people in this club can say that i dont keep up on the highway because they are going too fast for my liking.

and now....i've been at home for 2 days with a soar throat, i need some entertainement. so:

"driving is a right, not a privilege"..... now lets see where this goes :pop lets see some :flaming

tv is getting boring. :chuckle

[SP33D 3]

the 3 things cops are impounding cars for

"Drive 50 km/h or more over the speed limit
Race and/or stunt drive
Drive with someone in the trunk"


does this mean nobody in the back of the hatch?! hahaha

what if you were doing all 3!!!

[chinsterr]

the 3 things cops are impounding cars for

"Drive 50 km/h or more over the speed limit
Race and/or stunt drive
Drive with someone in the trunk"


does this mean nobody in the back of the hatch?! hahaha

what if you were doing all 3!!!

you would be on tv

[stas]

you would be on tv

please do it, i've been watching tv for 2 days:), .... nothing good, other then curb your enthusiasm, but you get sick of that.

[DingBat]

I have a friend who's fairly senior in the OPP. I know it will come as a big shock to some of you but the police don't really want to be spending their time babysitting motorists. It's just that they like being called to accident scenes where there's blood all over the road even less.

When I showed this friend my new, red, speed3 he took one look, laughed, and said "cop magnet". The story about insurance being higher for red cars is a myth but the police DO watch red cars more closely. Why? Because people who drive red cars tend to drive faster.

Some of you wonder why your modded car gets more police attention? Hello? It gets more attention because people who drive modded cars tend to drive faster as well. YOU may not drive faster, but that's irrelevant. You've been profiled. Suck it up and live with it. If you really don't like it, go get a Corrolla.

[rbart4506]

god damn ***** baby boomers can't take high speeds... giving society a bad name.

its ok they will all be dead soon, and itll be our turn to rule.

*ROTFLMAO*...And then you will grow up...

[b3GS]

I have a friend who's fairly senior in the OPP. I know it will come as a big shock to some of you but the police don't really want to be spending their time babysitting motorists. It's just that they like being called to accident scenes where there's blood all over the road even less.

When I showed this friend my new, red, speed3 he took one look, laughed, and said "cop magnet". The story about insurance being higher for red cars is a myth but the police DO watch red cars more closely. Why? Because people who drive red cars tend to drive faster.

Some of you wonder why your modded car gets more police attention? Hello? It gets more attention because people who drive modded cars tend to drive faster as well. YOU may not drive faster, but that's irrelevant. You've been profiled. Suck it up and live with it. If you really don't like it, go get a Corrolla.

hey! why does everyone pick on the Corolla!?? I drove a modded Corolla that was pretty damn quick I'll have you know :chuckle

[ZeroChalk]

ok... now I may be assuming here but I'm guessing you've never been bothered because your car is modified?? as a few people have stated just cuz the car looks like it could be raced doesn't mean it is..... my civic is fully done, stereo, full exhaust lowered, gauges etc etc... and I don't I REPEATN DON"T street race the car.... and yet I got pulled over all the time for the dumbest things
- routine checks
- car being too low
- annoying exhaust *thats right an officer told me my exhaust was annoying*
- clear corners (even with amber corner lights)
- stereo being too loud
- and even just cuz one cop wanted to check over the car
- even got stopped once as I have an autocannon plate cover that says
"drive fast, race hard"
- modified cars are always attacked... and for no reason at all other then to give people a rough time... the P.A.C.E.R sticker is clearly visible on my civic but that makes no difference to them!!!

I have been accused of the stupidest things... my stiffening cap being nitrous... my car smoking... (it was -20 out and the car was just started got stopped around the corner from my house), that my rims were stolen... any dumbass excuse to waste my time...

driving a modified car makes you an automatic target...whether your behaving or not... police love to pull these cars over as its an easy attempt to find a ticket.... maybe you have experienced this... but truthfully it was one of the reasons I bought the 3... and only use my civic once in a while... the weekend before I got my 3 I was pulled over 8 times... for no reason got no tickets but wasted my time.... it really gets frustrating...

It's a no brainer to pull over modified cars. They're always doing something stupid because they think their car will look better or be marginally faster.

I can't believe it took you so long to see why cops were pulling you over. You advertise speed. Loud exhaust, modified CIVIC, rice gauges, a license plate that say's "drive fast, race hard", need I say anymore?

lol Pacer sticker.

[chinsterr]

a license plate that say's "drive fast, race hard", need I say anymore?

lol Pacer sticker.

goes together like peanut butter and jelly

[midnightfxgt]

YOU may not drive faster, but that's irrelevant. You've been profiled. Suck it up and live with it. If you really don't like it, go get a Corrolla.

Its sad that this profiling exists. If a cop was to profile a specific race for doing something wrong (because history states they are more apt to), thats profiling, and is wrong, and I believe illegal. Yet these rules can apply to the roads.

Its not right that a guy with a lowered Mazda3 cab get more hassle than a 45yr old with a C5 vette. They are lower, faster, etc.... but they arent a young guy personalizing their ride.

-John

[sicsol]

What about Bikes ?? 50km over the speed limit is easy to do.

[CelestSpeed3]

My issue is this:

For those of us that got ticketed at Caladonia over the summer.

What would happen if they impounded our cars instead of tickets because they though we were or going to race. You have the right to do NOTHING. It would be your word versus their's and they win.

You can be sure when you get your car back that there will be some dents in it, because they are not responsible for your car even though they took it.

I agree people shouldn't speed. I got a +50 ticket this summer and you know what I wasn't endangering anyone. The cop was nice, but you know what I was speeding and that's that. Now I was only over by +55 so that extra 5km would have been the end of me driving.

[dentinger]

hey! why does everyone pick on the Corolla!?? I drove a modded Corolla that was pretty damn quick I'll have you know :chuckle
i had a modded corolla whiz by me on highway 6 the other day.
i was just like, wtf? buddy. you drive a corolla, i dont care if its boosted, its still a corolla.


What about Bikes ?? 50km over the speed limit is easy to do.
yupp, zero to 200 in seconds.
wait, therefore, they'd probably just book it.

[DingBat]

Its sad that this profiling exists. If a cop was to profile a specific race for doing something wrong (because history states they are more apt to), thats profiling, and is wrong, and I believe illegal. Yet these rules can apply to the roads.

Its not right that a guy with a lowered Mazda3 cab get more hassle than a 45yr old with a C5 vette. They are lower, faster, etc.... but they arent a young guy personalizing their ride.


First, my OPP friend would say that the 'vette gets every bit as much attention as the modded mazda. BOTH of them get more attention than a run of the mill honda civic.

As far as I know it's neither immoral or illegal to profile cars. Do you acknowledge the possibility that modded cars are more likely to be involved in speeding and other traffic violations? If so, it would be WRONG for the police to ignore that.

[midnightfxgt]

Profiling ANYONE is immoral. I honestly do not think that modded cars cause more accidents or speed more. I DO think that the press and police have made a much larger deal out of something minor, and have left far too many "Grey" areas so that they can boardline HARASS people.

FYI - I have multiple friends with Mustangs (500+ WHP) and big horsepower vehicles (1100RWHP +) that drive on the street. They all receive little to no attention from police, and they drive faster than anyone I know. I also have friends with modded or "tuner" cars. Guess what have more issues. Fact is, the tuner scene has a lot more heat on it. Until someone can show me facts that these modded tuner cars are more likely to hurt someone or speed compared to a vette, mustang, lambo, porsche etc..... then I will buy it.

I dont care what your cop buddy would say really... I have cop buddies, and they will tell you a nice throaty muscle car wont get hassled. Neither will that Harley that is 10x louder than my car.... but a Tuner car with an exhaust.... easy pickins!

[Skarbro]

Hmm... Perhaps a new thread should be started on profiling.

[argos]

just want to add that more Undercover Cops are on the road as well.

[3GFX]

Can't say I haven't been on the 401 lately without 'something' sitting on the dash. Having said that I even use it when I'm putting along in the right lane as well. Not a lot of cops are doing radar, but I have noticed a lot of cops driving through and with traffic looking for erratic driving as well as speeding.

You can definitly see that there are more cops on the road now. Its a good thing overall because they aren't just focusing on the speeders.

I think this sums it up right here:

If you don't want to be impounded for going 50 over, make sure you have a beer in your hand. You might just get a slap on the wrist.

[Wild Weasel]

Have any statistics been released detailing the types of cars that were impounded? Other than reading that around 30 cars were taken, I haven't seen any further info. I've been looking as I'm curious as to whether it's more businessmen in bimmers, punk kids in their parents cars, or modified sport compacts.

[DingBat]

Profiling ANYONE is immoral. I honestly do not think that modded cars cause more accidents or speed more.


They're not profiling anyone. They're profiling cars. When they pull you over they don't know if you're black, white, or purple.

I don't know if modded cars cause more accidents either. I'm simply saying that could be one reason they get more attention.

[chinsterr]

just want to add that more Undercover Cops are on the road as well.

I have seen a black ford EDGE pull someone over on the 407 the other day ... keep your eyes out for these guys

[Wild Weasel]

I saw a modded Civic hatch on a flatbed this morning on my way to work. Couldn't help but wonder whether it was broken or seized. :chuckle

[Garu]

Hahaha. How modded was it? Just a fart can?

[SpeedBaby]

As it states in today's article (http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_15445.aspx) they have already impounded 151 cars in 5 days, that's slightly over 30 cars/day!. I knew this is going to get out of hand...

be extra carefull this weekend, they got a new power and it will be used and abused

[JMAK74]

As it states in today's article (http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_15445.aspx) they have already impounded 151 cars in 5 days, that's slightly over 30 cars/day!. I knew this is going to get out of hand...

be extra carefull this weekend, they got a new power and it will be used and abused

How do you know that the 151 cars are cases of the police getting "... out of hand." and "... a new power and it will be used and abused"

Perhaps everyone of those cars was doing +50km/h and/or weaving in and out of traffic?

[b3GS]

151 cars!! thats ridiculous

[Wild Weasel]

Am I the only one that thinks that anyone getting their cars taken for doing 50 over the limit has to be borderline retarded to not know this is going on?

Frankly, I laugh at these people. This has been all over the media. Everyone should know it's happening and if you're nailed by it, it's your own damned fault!

[b3GS]

I agree WW, but when I see numbers like that of cars being impounded in such a short time.. I really wonder if the cops aren't taking this new law to the extreme a bit.

bottom line..again..50 over is just plain stupid and unnecessary, but I honestly didn't think that THAT many people were doing that speed. :loco

and then you realize.. that only the ones that got caught

man.. the police are gonna be raking in the revenue with all these fines.. I guess we shouldn't hear any bitching about budgets for them this year

[stas]

sweeet, at this rate the roads will be free to roam in no time:bana2

i want to see how many of those peopel will actually pay the fine and other fees.

[JMAK74]

OKay, this isn't going to settle this debate but:

This is the BMW that sideswiped my Prelude the January before I got my Mazda 3. (and yes, I'm being funny in the pictures).

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/JMAK74/DCP_1443W.jpg

I was doing around 55 in a 50, leading traffic, in the left hand lane on Mt. Pleasant Rd, Toronto. He came along the right, and hit my passenger side front at around, I'd suspect 70 at the least. Proof that he was passing and exceeding the flow of traffic was the lawyer that pulled over and said, "He was driving like a maniac! If he gives you any troubles, just call me and I'll be your witness (hands over business card to me)". I was aware of my surroundings. What was I to do in regards to reacting? Swerve into on coming traffic? Swerve right so he T-bones me instead?

This is my Prelude. Nothing 'serious'.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/JMAK74/DCP_1445W.jpg

Now, use your imagination - it's now the 401 and I'm doing say 125, leading the flow of traffic in the left lane. He comes in the right lane, and broadsides hits me at 140 (on a sidenote - I'm generally one of those people when on a highway, a faster care comes up behind me, I move over and let him pass - too many times on the 401 - especially in the Toronto part, apparently it's okay to go 90 in the left hand lane). Where would I end up? The concrete barrier, bounced back into traffic? React??? - if all I had was half a second to react on a residential street, I would need one quarter of a second for the speeds on the 401. What was I supposed to do, serve into the shoulder, hoping I keep control and not go into the concrete barrier. Sure, using the laws of relativity, he hit me at 15km/h. No biggie. Thing is, I'm going to hit anything else that's not moving at 130km/h. Or another car behind me is going to hit me at 125km/h. When I look at this pictures, and think if this happend on the 401 - my gut tells me I probably wouldn't have bought my Mazda3 in August of that year. Figure Mazda doesn't have a "Stephen Hawking Wheel Chair Option" for disabled drivers on the 3.

Call it what you want - a money grab, powers given to police to abuse... there are too many idiots (not saying anyone here is one of them) out there that drive too fast/aggressively for traffic/road/weather conditions regardless of the car or their age. Deterrent is needed.

Another $0.02 I have for a 1,000,000.00 world

JMAK realizes, some of his posts are waaaaaaay tooooo long....

JMAK

[Wild Weasel]

I agree WW, but when I see numbers like that of cars being impounded in such a short time.. I really wonder if the cops aren't taking this new law to the extreme a bit.

That's why I specifically mentioned the people doing 50+ over the limit. There's some other reasons they can take your car as well and without knowing the details, I'm in no position to pass judgement on whether those people deserve it.

Specifically though... the ones doing 50 over not only deserve it but are flat out retarded to be doing it right now!

[dentinger]

ok, when you tihnk about it, if im doing 100km/h on the highway, i can reach 150 in no time at all....
im starting to think this law is ridiculous.

[Skarbro]

ok, when you tihnk about it, if im doing 100km/h on the highway, i can reach 150 in no time at all....
im starting to think this law is ridiculous.
Your logic eludes me.

[MattC]

theres no reason to go 150kmph, it is a fact that you cannot react fast enough, or brake quickly enough if anything does indeed happen at those speeds.

If you drive that fast you kinda deserve whatever you get in my opinion...

You guys forget that the roads are government land, yes our taxes pay for them, but legally its government land, so when you are on their land, you need to follow their rules, or they have the right to kick you off them for as long as you want :chuckle

[Wild Weasel]

ok, when you tihnk about it, if im doing 100km/h on the highway, i can reach 150 in no time at all....
im starting to think this law is ridiculous.

Both my cars accelerate better than yours and I've NEVER found myself accidentally doing 50 km over the limit.

If this happens... perhaps you should pay more attention to your driving. :)

[dentinger]

well i just mean, going 50 over is easy to do. like when im passing someone on a one lane highway, (ie, highway 69), i'll downshift into 3rd, and by the time i pass them, im doing 140 or more.....

ok, im just going to stop posting now before i get heavily flamed...

[Wild Weasel]

Well sure, it's not hard to do. It's just hard to do by accident. :)

[dentinger]

well ya, thats wat i meant. i find most of the time i slow down over time.... cuz my foot gets tired (no cruise control).

i meant if you gun it, you can get to 150 in no time.

[CelestSpeed3]

I'm surprised no one has had any issues this law yet on this forum:

http://forum.torontomazda6.com/viewtopic.php?t=704&start=0 (first post)

http://ccfbg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5055 (first and seventh post)

I think now it's gone to far. From now on I'm going to be doing something that may seem a little strange to some but I think it's necessary. I will now be driving with a full copy of the Highway Traffic Act in my car, along with a voice recorder. I will drive properly as I usually do and if I get stopped for no reason I'm taking that officer down with lawsuits.

If they can make so much money on this then so will I. Since you can't argue at the side of the road or face fines from $200 - $5000. I didn't see anyone mention that part yet. It's all in Bill 203.

[stas]

I'm surprised no one has had any issues this law yet on this forum:

http://forum.torontomazda6.com/viewtopic.php?t=704&start=0 (first post)

http://ccfbg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5055 (first and seventh post)

I think now it's gone to far. From now on I'm going to be doing something that may seem a little strange to some but I think it's necessary. I will now be driving with a full copy of the Highway Traffic Act in my car, along with a voice recorder. I will drive properly as I usually do and if I get stopped for no reason I'm taking that officer down with lawsuits.

If they can make so much money on this then so will I. Since you can't argue at the side of the road or face fines from $200 - $5000. I didn't see anyone mention that part yet. It's all in Bill 203.

haha, i was actually thinking of doing that couple of years back.

and wtf, fines for arguing ur point???

[Wild Weasel]

You know... so long as they're taking cars, I think they should also be seizing those of people caught driving without insurance.

[Skarbro]

You know... so long as they're taking cars, I think they should also be seizing those of people caught driving without insurance.
Don't they already do that?

[Wild Weasel]

I suppose they must... but do they keep them for a week or can you pick them up the next day with a towtruck or something?

[Skarbro]

Well I know it's a minimum $5,000 fine up to like $50,000 if you are a repeat offender.

[notoriousb]

thank you for....restating the media.
but seriously i agree, the only time i speed (more then 10over) on busy(ish) streets is when im in a serious hurry. otherwise not worth it. even then i dont go 50 over. people in this club can say that i dont keep up on the highway because they are going too fast for my liking.

and now....i've been at home for 2 days with a soar throat, i need some entertainement. so:

"driving is a right, not a privilege"..... now lets see where this goes :pop lets see some :flaming

tv is getting boring. :chuckle


Hmmm, You are on the highway at 100 km/h? I don't even think the slow lanes go that slow. But wait, that means you will never venture in the left lane right? I hope not.


Anyways, I speed about 150-160 on the 407, hmm, I'll make sure I'll keep it at 149 from now on.


But a law that punishes you before you're convicted? Doesn't that mean the cop can pretend you're going 150 even though you are only going 146-149?

[b]

Hmmm, You are on the highway at 100 km/h? I don't even think the slow lanes go that slow. But wait, that means you will never venture in the left lane right? I hope not.

Anyways, I speed about 150-160 on the 407, hmm, I'll make sure I'll keep it at 149 from now on.

But a law that punishes you before you're convicted? Doesn't that mean the cop can pretend you're going 150 even though you are only going 146-149?

146 - 149 is close enough in my books after you factor in speedo differences...

If you are doing that speed... expect to get in trouble with this new law.


You know... so long as they're taking cars, I think they should also be seizing those of people caught driving without insurance.

Good point. I agree!

[notoriousb]

Ok let's put it this way. If you are going 130 km/h and the cop doesn't like the way you look, so he pretends you're going 150 km/h ...

Sure he can't prove it in court so that 10 000 dollar fine gets thrown out, but that is after wasting time in court, paying to get your car out of the inpound lot, taking the bus because your licence got suspended, and not having your car for a week?

Do you think this law is fair?

[Skarbro]

The new law isn't just about speeding 50+ km/hr over. It's also about catching aggressive drivers - which is subjective to the cop. If you are going 49 km/hr over, then it's a good chance they'll get you with this new law.

[notoriousb]

Aggressive driving is subjective to the cop. I don't get why people don't understand that. How are we gonna let cops decide aggressiveness? Going 149 when everyone is going 140 is that aggressive? And i'm pretty aggressive but I haven't got into an accident once. I've been driving for about 8 years now. And on the 407, people are going 160 -180 pretty much all the time. In fact, the 407 people speed on average more so than any other highway ... Yet their accident total is far less! We should increase our speed limit to stop the people who are respectfully going 145 from having their car impounded :S

Just take a look at this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit

In British Columbia, a review of speed limits conducted in 2002 and 2003 for the Ministry of Transportation found that posted limits on investigated roads were unrealistically low for 1309 km and unrealistically high for 208 km. The reports recommended to increase speed limits for multi-lane limited-access highways constructed to high design standards from 110 km/h to 120 km/h.[16] As described in that report, the Ministry is currently using "...Technical Circular T-10/00 [...] to assess speed limits. The practice considers the 85th percentile speed, road geometry, roadside development, and crash history."


That is from 110 to 120... WE ARE STILL STUCK AT 100!

[b]

Ok let's put it this way. If you are going 130 km/h and the cop doesn't like the way you look, so he pretends you're going 150 km/h ...

Sure he can't prove it in court so that 10 000 dollar fine gets thrown out, but that is after wasting time in court, paying to get your car out of the inpound lot, taking the bus because your licence got suspended, and not having your car for a week?

Do you think this law is fair?

I don't think this new law needs to be as tough as it is...

However, in the last 6 months I've really watched my speed. 9/10 times I am doing dead on the limit now. The other time I may do 10 over on the highway... I don't want the insurance trouble down the road... So to answer your latest post. I would still think you should expect trouble if you are going 130+ by cops. Maybe not a tow... but I bet they will pull you over and ticked your ass...

[notoriousb]

I don't mind a ticket --- a ticket is something you can fight in court. It's how the law should work. Getting punished to that degree... before being convicted is where I draw the line between a good law... and a law that is made solely to make money -- I'm thinking about that Torontonion $500 million deficit. hmmm..

I only have one ticket on my 3 year transcript record (it's been almost 2 years ago). Even a drunk person doesn't have to have their car towed. I mean if someone can come pick up the car (like a family member or friend), then it wouldn't be so bad.

[notoriousb]

It will be very satisfying to me and very ironic if the people who actually like this law, end up getting burned by it because maybe their mom/wife/boyfriend etc was choking to death and they had to hurry up and get home. LOL

[Skarbro]

It will be very satisfying to me and very ironic if the people who actually like this law, end up getting burned by it because maybe their mom/wife/boyfriend etc was choking to death and they had to hurry up and get home. LOL
:loco

[HBP]

It will be very satisfying to me and very ironic if the people who actually like this law, end up getting burned by it because maybe their mom/wife/boyfriend etc was choking to death and they had to hurry up and get home. LOL

You're satisfied... if someone is choking to death. Is something wrong with you? :AH

[ptfire]

So a lady doing 91 in a 40 zone with her two kids in the car seats is a street racer?

[notoriousb]

If someones gonna choke to death, they are gonna choke to death..I can't help that...

but I would feel satisfied if the person (who gets a hard-on when he hears about this law) is trying to get home in an emegency -- gets his car impounded. Thats irony at its best --- and stop acting like I just choked someone to death retard.

[Skarbro]

If someones gonna choke to death, they are gonna choke to death..I can't help that...

but I would feel satisfied if the person (who gets a hard-on when he hears about this law) is trying to get home in an emegency -- gets his car impounded. Thats irony at its best --- and stop acting like I just choked someone to death retard.
I fail to see how that is ironic. Do you know what irony means?

[tweak_s]

Just wanted to chime in here on something that is only slightly relevant..

I was eating lunch an flicked on CP24, and they had that show with "The Chief" (interview with the police chief). basically, they were talking about *gasp* road safety. After one lady called it and told them how good of a job they are doing, the next caller asked about the cars that are coming out of factory with 400 hp and how thats not needed and dangerous for the streets, and if the government is going to do anything about that.

The chief mentioned that factories have to limit the power of their cars then said "well there are people who modify their cars to get to that level of power and then drive aggressively, and because of their lack of experience crash." (not exact quote)

How the chief's response answers the original question is beyond me. I realize that street racing is a problem, but why the law enforcement, media, and well.. everyone and their grandma, is obsessed with this topic. As has been mentioned numerous times.... drunk driving is much much worse, and IMO happens much more often.

[Tokic_o]

I fail to see how that is ironic. Do you know what irony means?

lol I think he meant oxymoron or paradox? but they pretty similar (paradox and oxymoron)

[Fuman]

Just wanted to chime in here on something that is only slightly relevant..

I was eating lunch an flicked on CP24, and they had that show with "The Chief" (interview with the police chief). basically, they were talking about *gasp* road safety. After one lady called it and told them how good of a job they are doing, the next caller asked about the cars that are coming out of factory with 400 hp and how thats not needed and dangerous for the streets, and if the government is going to do anything about that.

The chief mentioned that factories have to limit the power of their cars then said "well there are people who modify their cars to get to that level of power and then drive aggressively, and because of their lack of experience crash." (not exact quote)

How the chief's response answers the original question is beyond me. I realize that street racing is a problem, but why the law enforcement, media, and well.. everyone and their grandma, is obsessed with this topic. As has been mentioned numerous times.... drunk driving is much much worse, and IMO happens much more often.
It really confuses me as to why people think high horsepower cars = people that cause accidents. Granted, there are some high horsepower car drivers that are idiots but not all of them are. I honestly have yet to see a Porsche or Ferrari driving aggressive or stupidly fast on a public road.

[Wild Weasel]

Looks like the Star published a letter about the incident being discussed here last week.

http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/32459

[chinsterr]

Looks like the Star published a letter about the incident being discussed here last week.

http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/32459

Yup, saw it and read it. It's a shame stuff like this does happen.

Cruise control set to 120 and drive in the middle lane --- I get to work 10 minutes later but i think its worth it !

[b3GS]

Looks like the Star published a letter about the incident being discussed here last week.

http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/32459


Did the last guy actually suggest wearing helmets for everyday driving!?!?

:loco:loco

[Wild Weasel]

I'm pretty sure that letter was meant as sarcasm.

[WLS ZMZM]

as for my plate covers. It's auto cannon, a track company! "drive fast race hard" doesn't mean i do it, as for my "rice gauges" again no indication of speed. Why? because I like ot monitor the cars voltage, so I don't blow my alternator, or watch my a/f ratio because the car was running rough? Just because the car sounds fast doesn't mean it is. As for profiling how can you say there isn't? I've had my 3 for 4 months and have yet to be pulled over! I don't drive any different then I did with my civic. My 3 is modified so thats not the issue either. Very simple.... police love to pull over honda's thats "TUNER PROFILING" not every civic is a street race vehicle, as much as everyone would like to think. I'll agree exhausts etc make you more noticeable... but what about these monster HP beasts coming out of the dealers. my civic is no louder then a new G35 but you don't see them getting yanked do you?

[Fuman]

OPP chief:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/271572
stricter penalty... but lowering it from 50 to 30. The front line police force will be over worked.

[///M]

OPP chief:
http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/271572
stricter penalty... but lowering it from 50 to 30. The front line police force will be over worked.

1060 people caught - that's potentially 10 million in fines...

When will they ever realize that regardless of penalties, people will continue to drive at speeds they deem safe for the conditions, and that perhaps some of the speed limits are artificially low. I'm not saying that 50km/h over the speed limit is necessarily safe or appropriate, but the fact that so many people were caught suggests that maybe speed limits should be set more realistically to reflect the actual flow of the traffic, which is for the most part, usually between 115-130km/h.

[Wild Weasel]

I reiterate that I don't care at all about the law impounding drivers doing 50 over. I think that's a large enough margin of error that people can keep under it, or suffer the consequences. It's the subjective racing stuff I have a problem with, as is evidenced by the story about the Civic. I'll bet they were just itching to use that bit of the law to bring the hammer down on someone, and that guy just got made the unlucky example for lack of any real examples.

[Fuman]

1060 people caught - that's potentially 10 million in fines...

When will they ever realize that regardless of penalties, people will continue to drive at speeds they deem safe for the conditions, and that perhaps some of the speed limits are artificially low. I'm not saying that 50km/h over the speed limit is necessarily safe or appropriate, but the fact that so many people were caught suggests that maybe speed limits should be set more realistically to reflect the actual flow of the traffic, which is for the most part, usually between 115-130km/h.
In terms of highway I agree with you 100%! And I know you are only talking about highway. Just don't want miscommunication when people read this.

[///M]

In terms of highway I agree with you 100%! And I know you are only talking about highway. Just don't want miscommunication when people read this.

Yes, I was strictly referring to highway speed limits.

[WLS ZMZM]

I really think this has gotten out of hand... with all these cars being pulled over, how long is it before they lower it from 50 km/h down to something lower, so they can nail everyone, its only going to get worse as we continue to give the officer's more power!

[chinsterr]

Its going to be like this until all cars have an auto-pilot function :)

Btw: This past saturday night, on my way back to markham from DT (3am), I saw a mercedes c-class coupe getting towed . There were 3 OPP cars there with flashing lights surrounding the vehicle, which was on a flatbed.

And fyi , it had a set of aftermarket rims on it.

I can only assume he got pulled over for speeding.

[WLS ZMZM]

nice so eventually the only people who will be left on the road are the old people who drive under the limit and the police lmao, maybe this is some conspiracy to help the kyoto agreement lmao.... reduce as many cars as is possible on the roadways to cut back on pollution, while lining the governements pockets! :chuckle

[chinsterr]

maybe this is some conspiracy to help the kyoto agreement lmao.... reduce as many cars as is possible on the roadways to cut back on pollution, while lining the governements pockets! :chuckle

With Stephen Harper as PM , I wouldn't be surprised if this is true.

And what have you people learned from all of this? Vote GreenParty/NDP !

[WLS ZMZM]

vote green party/NDP ??? are you joking? last thing we need is another Bob Rae in power!

[chinsterr]

vote green party/NDP ??? are you joking? last thing we need is another Bob Rae in power!

Hey, at least we had Rae Days !!!!!
I miss those extra PA days (not that it affects me now though)

[WLS ZMZM]

very true... unfortunately work doesn't accept pa days :P

[Wild Weasel]

With Stephen Harper as PM , I wouldn't be surprised if this is true.

And what have you people learned from all of this? Vote GreenParty/NDP !

WTF? Do you just make stuff up out of the blue? Haven't Harper's Conservatives been completely open about the fact that they do NOT support Kyoto??

[chinsterr]

WTF? Do you just make stuff up out of the blue? Haven't Harper's Conservatives been completely open about the fact that they do NOT support Kyoto??

I'm just saying conspiracy and Harper seem to go hand in hand , well, at least he "looks" like the type to me :chuckle

haha we have a conservative voter in the house --- didn't mean to step on anyone's toes


ok , back on topic

[mEtH]

I heard on the radio that on average they have taken 38 cars off the road a day!

[pahecko]

I heard on the radio that on average they have taken 38 cars off the road a day!

50+ Is stupid anywhere but outside populated areas. Even then, could be worse because you don't expect anything to happen.

If they start taking cars of the road based on being modded, then i'll have a field day. What about all the porsche, lambos and other ridiculously fast cars I see, out of all places, DOWNTOWN. They may not have mods but yea.. they go. So if you coppers pull them off the road, then maybe i'll go without a fight.... of course, it's @#^$ lambo, I could mod my 3 all i want, I ain't getting close!

And what about the dude with a shit box, does he get pulled off? no, because it's a shit box, yet there he is driving like a mad man when you're not around. HMPH.

Same thing with exhaust, have you heard those cars? LOUD. Same with bikes. Oh but it came like that. Well I thought the problem was NOISE pollution, regardless of why or how the noise is being generated. DUH

ok i'm done :whoa

[Wild Weasel]

People are talking as though it's all modified sport compacts being impounded.

From the sounds of it, I think it's more likely that it's NOT modified sport compacts being caught, and that they were probably looking for some just to make a press-friendly example out of. That likely backfired with the non-racing Civic bust that people are now talking about.

I've said it before... most of this is all speculation. I haven't seen any break-down on the types of cars being impounded.

[Skarbro]

Yeah exactly. People automatically assume that modified cars are being targeted because of a couple of incidents with modified cars. I see no reason to believe that is the case.

[Wild Weasel]

A minivan that got impounded made the news. I remember reading that one. Does that mean they're targeting minivans?

Or does that just mean they're targeting anyone and everyone driving 50 over the limit?

The only indication of profiling I've heard of is that single incident about the Civic.

I'd really like more information on the people being charged under this law for anything other than going 50 over.

[crazycanuck]

Was this on the 400? I was driving up around 8pm last night, and saw a minivan get towed.


A minivan that got impounded made the news. I remember reading that one. Does that mean they're targeting minivans?

Or does that just mean they're targeting anyone and everyone driving 50 over the limit?

The only indication of profiling I've heard of is that single incident about the Civic.

I'd really like more information on the people being charged under this law for anything other than going 50 over.

[Cardinal Fang]

A minivan that got impounded made the news. I remember reading that one. Does that mean they're targeting minivans?

Or does that just mean they're targeting anyone and everyone driving 50 over the limit?

The only indication of profiling I've heard of is that single incident about the Civic.

I'd really like more information on the people being charged under this law for anything other than going 50 over.

BINGO!

People love to rush to conclusions. It's the slippery slope argument. If they give the cops this much power they're going to jump all over the "tuners." Well it's not happing. People need to take a step back and breath.

[SpeedBaby]

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate everyone on the 1 year anniversary of this truly amazing law taking effect in Ontario. This day should be marked in calenders as the turning point in Canadian juridical system when the presumption of innocence had ceased to exist and our rights have been taken away for the sake on increasing the spending budgets of policing services. hurray!

fyi according to the statistics published here (http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_27448.aspx) the province had made a minimum of $4.6 million in revenue from this law within these last 12 months.

[SirWanker]

This day should be marked in calenders as the turning point in Canadian juridical system when the presumption of innocence had ceased to exist and our rights have been taken away for the sake on increasing the spending budgets of policing services. hurray!



:loco how is the presumption of innocence had ceased to exist when you have been nailed for going 50KM over the posted limit?

[♻①☛]

not all got 50km over ...... some had coffee & cell phone in there hands :complain
i think they call it stunt driving :flaming

[cereal83]

They are going against what is written in the charter of rights. For those who think its a good law, well I assume you don't like having any rights.

I am fine with everything except seizing your car with no fair trial. This is illegal and I have no idea how its still a law today but it will change one day.

[Flagrum_3]

Funniest part is that apparently and according to a study, the law is not working to stop people from speeding excessively.....just got that from Cp24. :)

Just another cashgrab!

_3

[LockOut]

I heard on the radio this morning that they were originally catching, on average around the province, 40 people per day. In the last 12 months, that's been cut down to 23 per day, which is nowhere near where they wanted.

I'd also like to see a comparison of the number of other speeding tickets in the last year, too. I've heard that there are many cops out there who are waiting for that big catch, so you can be booking it at 130-140 kph and they'll sit back and wait for that one guy (read: idiot) going over 150 kph. I think it would be an interesting comparison.

[condor888000]

In the Ottawa paper today they had a figure that only 41% of people are convicted once charged....really useful law if you ask me.

[SpeedBaby]

:loco how is the presumption of innocence had ceased to exist when you have been nailed for going 50KM over the posted limit?

they take your car and your license on the spot for 7 days, without a trial, without a chance for a defense and without having to prove that you did something wrong

[06Touring3]

Funniest part is that apparently and according to a study, the law is not working to stop people from speeding excessively

It's also illegal to commit murder...so that should not be surprising to anyone lol

And I agree it's illegal to take your car. But you're forgetting that you get it and your license back. It is unlawful for them to take your license and vehicle if you haven't commited a crime. If you go 50 over and get caught that is the actus reus (guilty act) permitting them to take action. The only right you have when you commit a crime is due process.

[whiteomega]

The fact is if people didn't recklessly speed, street race, stunt drive, etc, such a law would likely not have been necessary. If you don't like your civil liberties infringed, don't break the law, and it won't be a problem.

(For the record, I disagree with the impounding of the car and licence without trial - the law should never have been passed with this in, but it was, and it's here, so we have to deal with it.)

[kevcol74]

So you don't agree with the impounding and license removal, but you know its going to happen... wouldn't you NOT go 50 over to avoid that? Seems like people don't get that part, they just say "I agree with people going over 50 is bad, but its against our rights to take our stuff"... Maybe so, but if it deters people from getting into that situation, I'm all for it. Personally, I'm not going to be that stupid, so I really don't care. It went from 40/day down to 23/day... well, that shows it IS working. Most people that do it have money coming out the a$$, so they have the mentality that they can buy their way out of anything. I'm glad to see it happen to them.
If you are going to court to argue you were only 45 over, not 50 and your car shouldn't be impounded etc... get real, how is 45 any better? You want to go that fast, move to Europe where it is legal. You chose to be here, you accept the laws here. You don't like them, leave.
Just my opinion on the matter!

[06Touring3]

If you are going to court to argue you were only 45 over, not 50 and your car shouldn't be impounded etc... get real, how is 45 any better? You want to go that fast, move to Europe where it is legal. You chose to be here, you accept the laws here. You don't like them, leave.
Just my opinion on the matter!

I agree with you up to this point. If i go 45 and get my car taken away you can bet your ASS i'm taking that to court. The law is very specific where it says 50. If you DON'T fight it, then you either don't care or you're a fool (not YOU! "you" please don't confuse that lol). It's a matter of principal. If someone borrows $50 from me and only gives me $45 back without explination, then where the **** is my $5? lol

But yes...if you go 50 you're an idiot and deserve to get your car taken away for that period of time. And i'm pretty sure it's not any sort of violation for them to do so because there is something called the Actus Reus (like i said before the guilty act) and Mens Rea (the guilty mind). The only how the police taking your car becomes illegal is if you can prove drove 50 over without consciously knowing you were doing so. And just SAYING you didn't know doesn't suffice in this situation.

Plus...you get your car and license back. It's not a permanent seizure.

[whiteomega]

"I agree with people going over 50 is bad, but its against our rights to take our stuff"...

It's against our rights to take things without proof or trial. The problem with the law is that it gives the police broad and far-reaching power without little or not checks and balances. The spirit of the law is something everyone here agrees with. The letter of the law however is too broad. You're right though: Don't like it, don't speed. Problem solved.


You want to go that fast, move to Europe where it is legal. You chose to be here, you accept the laws here. You don't like them, leave.

I don't think it's really fair to say this either. Yes, you agree when you move here to respect the laws of this country, province, and municipality. Moving into a country is not quite the same as visiting someone's house, breaking their rules, and having them say "If you don't like my rules, get out." It's a lot easier in the latter case to leave someone's house than it is to move out of the country.

[kevcol74]

It's against our rights to take things without proof or trial. The problem with the law is that it gives the police broad and far-reaching power without little or not checks and balances. The spirit of the law is something everyone here agrees with. The letter of the law however is too broad.



I don't think it's really fair to say this either. Yes, you agree when you move here to respect the laws of this country, province, and municipality. Moving into a country is not quite the same as visiting someone's house, breaking their rules, and having them say "If you don't like my rules, get out." It's a lot easier in the latter case to leave someone's house than it is to move out of the country.

So we abolish the "taking things without proof or trial" out of the equation, where does that leave us? Now you have 40+ speeders getting caught again daily because they have nothing stopping them but a ticket and a "mandatory" court appearance? Then our legal system gets clogged and 75% get thrown out... Thats a law that works... And when that guy doing 50+ over blows a lower speed rated tire, smokes the car in front doing 110 killing people in that car, but you are worried about "your rights" and you car being taken away? Its not like we are giving the police the right to walk into your house and take your beloved LCD... your car is a weapon at the least. If you don't control it properly, why should you get to keep it?

I'm sorry for the rant, but why people argue against this law is beyond me. If you want to do 150+, pay for a closed track, or take a trip to Germany. Don't do it on the roads I'm driving on with my son in the car thanks.

As for the "if you don't like it, leave" comment... I was born here, and if I didn't like the laws, or couldn't abide by them and take responsibility for my actions when I break them, then yes, I WILL leave.

[SpeedBaby]

not sure why everyone is so focused on the 50+ part. there is a lot more to this law than just the speed aspect. according to this law you can lose your car and license for 7 days for dangerous/stunt driving meanwhile the description of those offenses a so vague that it is essentially left to the discretion of the cop who pulled you over what falls under it. and improper lane change can be considered stunt driving if the cop feels like it.

i know a person who got charged with 'racing' doing 50km/h in a 60 zone in rush hour traffic.

i do agree that some ppl deserve losing their cars and licenses, but my argument is that it shouldn't be left up to one person's call.

[Thrizzl3]

So we abolish the "taking things without proof or trial" out of the equation, where does that leave us? Now you have 40+ speeders getting caught again daily because they have nothing stopping them but a ticket and a "mandatory" court appearance? Then our legal system gets clogged and 75% get thrown out... Thats a law that works... And when that guy doing 50+ over blows a lower speed rated tire, smokes the car in front doing 110 killing people in that car, but you are worried about "your rights" and you car being taken away? Its not like we are giving the police the right to walk into your house and take your beloved LCD... your car is a weapon at the least. If you don't control it properly, why should you get to keep it?

I'm sorry for the rant, but why people argue against this law is beyond me. If you want to do 150+, pay for a closed track, or take a trip to Germany. Don't do it on the roads I'm driving on with my son in the car thanks.

As for the "if you don't like it, leave" comment... I was born here, and if I didn't like the laws, or couldn't abide by them and take responsibility for my actions when I break them, then yes, I WILL leave.

So true! When i read the news and hear how many cars are taken off the street for doing 50+ over the limit..its their fault that they lost their vehicle. Mandatory procedure for doing 50+ over the limit is impoundment and 1 week license suspension. But people don't care about that, they still speed down the road thinking that they aren't gonna get caught but as soon as they see the sirens behind them then they realize the mistake they made.

And as for me..i was caught doing 50 over (by accident) but i didnt get my car impounded or my license suspended although im awaiting my trial in december..so hopefully it gets thrown out if not im paying a $1000 fine and losing 6 points:blush

[whiteomega]

So we abolish the "taking things without proof or trial" out of the equation, where does that leave us? Now you have 40+ speeders getting caught again daily because they have nothing stopping them but a ticket and a "mandatory" court appearance? Then our legal system gets clogged and 75% get thrown out... Thats a law that works... And when that guy doing 50+ over blows a lower speed rated tire, smokes the car in front doing 110 killing people in that car, but you are worried about "your rights" and you car being taken away? Its not like we are giving the police the right to walk into your house and take your beloved LCD... your car is a weapon at the least. If you don't control it properly, why should you get to keep it?

I'm sorry for the rant, but why people argue against this law is beyond me. If you want to do 150+, pay for a closed track, or take a trip to Germany. Don't do it on the roads I'm driving on with my son in the car thanks.

As for the "if you don't like it, leave" comment... I was born here, and if I didn't like the laws, or couldn't abide by them and take responsibility for my actions when I break them, then yes, I WILL leave.

I never said abolish it; I said the law was too powerful and too broad in its possible applications. Don't get me wrong; I'm all for this law. It has zero negative impact on me, since I try my damnedest not to speed or drive dangerously. I've got nothing to lose and everything to gain supporing it. I'm on your side!

[06Touring3]

So we abolish the "taking things without proof or trial" out of the equation, where does that leave us? Now you have 40+ speeders getting caught again daily because they have nothing stopping them but a ticket and a "mandatory" court appearance? Then our legal system gets clogged and 75% get thrown out... Thats a law that works... And when that guy doing 50+ over blows a lower speed rated tire, smokes the car in front doing 110 killing people in that car, but you are worried about "your rights" and you car being taken away? Its not like we are giving the police the right to walk into your house and take your beloved LCD... your car is a weapon at the least. If you don't control it properly, why should you get to keep it?

That is exactly what I think about the law and why I am in support of it.

If they take your car away for no reason, that's one thing. If you're stupid ass goes 50 over and gets caught how can you POSSIBLY expect to have any rights? You are putting your life and the life of everyone else around you in MORE danger than you would driving the speed limit or at least with the flow of traffic (let's be honest anything can happen at any speed hence why i said more danger).

It makes no sense to argue your 'rights' being violated becuase you've waived your rights by BREAKING THE LAW

[06Touring3]

not sure why everyone is so focused on the 50+ part. there is a lot more to this law than just the speed aspect. according to this law you can lose your car and license for 7 days for dangerous/stunt driving meanwhile the description of those offenses a so vague that it is essentially left to the discretion of the cop who pulled you over what falls under it. and improper lane change can be considered stunt driving if the cop feels like it.

i know a person who got charged with 'racing' doing 50km/h in a 60 zone in rush hour traffic.

i do agree that some ppl deserve losing their cars and licenses, but my argument is that it shouldn't be left up to one person's call.

For the record, an improper lane change IS dangerous, hence why it's illegal to do so....eventhough i don't know anyone who's gotten stopped for it really. And it should be the officers call because you shouldn't have been doing 50 over to begin with.

People can argue how unjust or unfair or 'illegal' the repercussions of the new law are. But they aren't any of that. They are exactly what should happen to someone who is dump enough to go 50 over.

Shouldn't be left up to one persons call? The law specifically pretains to doing 50 over regardless of if you're speeding or racing. Your friend getting caught doing 50 in a 60 doesn't fall under this law because they weren't going 50 over. So 50 over very much is the point of all this along with the repercussions of doing so.

[kevcol74]

Sorry if I implied you in my rant whiteomega, not intended. I keep hearing the usual "I'm for it, BUT..."
Everyone wants to decide how the law should be interpreted, and no one is happy with those that are in the position to do so. If you want to right it, become a cop or get into politics. If not, step aside and let those that risk their lives everyday to make us safe use their best judgement. Will they all be unbiased? Not likely, but thats human nature. You want to "risk getting caught", suffer the consequences of whatever rath is behind the wheel of the cherries behind you.

K, I think I'm done this time....:whoa I think I have too much free time at work, keeping myself entertained or something! :pop

[kevcol74]

If they take your car away for no reason, that's one thing. If you're stupid ass goes 50 over and gets caught how can you POSSIBLY expect to have any rights? You are putting your life and the life of everyone else around you in MORE danger than you would driving the speed limit or at least with the flow of traffic (let's be honest anything can happen at any speed hence why i said more danger).

It makes no sense to argue your 'rights' being violated becuase you've waived your rights by BREAKING THE LAW

You and I are definitely on the same page here! Litteraly and figuratively! :chuckle

[06Touring3]

You and I are definitely on the same page here! Litteraly and figuratively! :chuckle

hahaha i hear what you're saying man:chuckle

[whiteomega]

That is exactly what I think about the law and why I am in support of it.

If they take your car away for no reason, that's one thing. If you're stupid ass goes 50 over and gets caught how can you POSSIBLY expect to have any rights? You are putting your life and the life of everyone else around you in MORE danger than you would driving the speed limit or at least with the flow of traffic (let's be honest anything can happen at any speed hence why i said more danger).

It makes no sense to argue your 'rights' being violated becuase you've waived your rights by BREAKING THE LAW

The point is that despite your breaking the law, the judgement of what constitutes street racing, or stunt driving, is up to one person and the definition is too broad. An evasive lane change from one angle looks like an evasive lane change; from another angle it might look like dangerous driving.

*That* is the problem with the law; it's not *just* the fact that someone is driving 50 over; it's that there is little to no guidance on what constitutes street racing. If such guidance exists, I'd like to see it. If it's reasonable then I'd relax my stance a bit more.

[SpeedBaby]

The law specifically pretains to doing 50 over regardless of if you're speeding or racing. Your friend getting caught doing 50 in a 60 doesn't fall under this law because they weren't going 50 over. .

why don't you tell that to the cop who charged him? oh wait, i know why! cause the COP made that decision on the spot and there will be no trial where you'd be able to express your valuable opinion on his actions.

[whiteomega]

Sorry if I implied you in my rant whiteomega, not intended. I keep hearing the usual "I'm for it, BUT..."

No worries; I knew you weren't implying me. You made my point pretty succinctly though: the law is so broad it's being interpretted in too many different ways; it needs more focus. It's a step in the right direction, though.

[06Touring3]

whiteomega....i understand what you're saying but 50 over rule was implemented becuase of but does not only pretain to street racing. You can also get a wreckless driving ticket for going 50 over as well. And like Kevcol said, is every cop going to have the same bias as the next cop or even from incident to incident? Hellllll no, but you'd be hardpressed to prove his discretion wrong if you get caught going 50 plus. It then becomes your word versus his. And your word has a 50+km/h ticket tacked on

SpeedBaby - I'm not saying what happened isn't wrong, but it's not a good example because that person was going LESS than the speed limit when the issue we've been talking about it the 50+ law in place now. I know a guy that got a street racing and noice violation ticket becuase he accidentally chirped his tires moving off from a light...he was PARKED....but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about which is the new law.

[LockOut]

For the record, an improper lane change IS dangerous, hence why it's illegal to do so....eventhough i don't know anyone who's gotten stopped for it really.

Shouldn't be left up to one persons call? The law specifically pretains to doing 50 over regardless of if you're speeding or racing. Your friend getting caught doing 50 in a 60 doesn't fall under this law because they weren't going 50 over. So 50 over very much is the point of all this along with the repercussions of doing so.

This law extends FAR beyond a simple "50+ over and you're effed". As SpeedBaby said, it's for anything that's considered 'stunt driving.' According to the cop, her friend was driving dangerously going 50 in a 60 zone (I clearly don't know the circumstances, so I can't comment on THAT situation), but it was fully within the scope of the law to be charged under this law. The scope of the law is, essentially, in the hands of the police officer. S/He can stop you for whatever, and can deem it to be "dangerous."

[06Touring3]

This law extends FAR beyond a simple "50+ over and you're effed". As SpeedBaby said, it's for anything that's considered 'stunt driving.' According to the cop, her friend was driving dangerously going 50 in a 60 zone (I clearly don't know the circumstances, so I can't comment on THAT situation), but it was fully within the scope of the law to be charged under this law. The scope of the law is, essentially, in the hands of the police officer. S/He can stop you for whatever, and can deem it to be "dangerous."

If that's that case then I'm wrong. But my understanding of the new law is it is specific to going 50+ over the posted limit. But you can still get dangerous tickets that's always been the case even before this new law. But if the law is more than just the 50 over and is subject to anything that can be deemed dangerous as well than my apologies to SpeedBaby. Did he get his car impounded and lose his license?

[whiteomega]

here's the quote from their own website:

"Increases fines for street racers and aggressive drivers, including those who drive 50 km/h or more over the posted speed limit, to $10,000 and allows police to immediately suspend the driver’s licence and impound the vehicle for seven days;"(emphasis added).

It doesn't actually restrict to 50 over.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/about/bill203.htm

[kevcol74]

The only difference now to the law before is the "50+ over is an automatic street racing charge". It has ALWAYS been the police discretion on careless and street racing charges. The catch now is that you can loose your car and license by doing so. Personally, I don't care, thats a consequence of breaking the law. If it was accidental, then it won't look "aggressive" to the cop that sees it. If it looks aggressive, then I don't blame the cop. If you give them attitude, then you'll get what you deserve. If you start into the whole "This is against my charter of rights" BS... well, have a nice walk home.
The law changed to make it less appealing to drive "illegally", but everyone complains that they can't do illegal things now and keep their rights... You do something illegal, and you expect to have rights? All they have done is "disarmed you" from that weapon you were flailing in the air like an idiot, and took your right to a new weapon with that. Yes, a car is definitely a weapon!

[06Touring3]

here's the quote from their own website:

"Increases fines for street racers and aggressive drivers, including those who drive 50 km/h or more over the posted speed limit, to $10,000 and allows police to immediately suspend the driver’s licence and impound the vehicle for seven days;"(emphasis added).

It doesn't actually restrict to 50 over.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/about/bill203.htm

There you have it. My apologies to SpeedBaby.

But my point remains the same. If you get caught breaking the law, doing 50 over, dangerous driving, you shouldn't be surprised that you no longer have any rights

MAN i love a good debate!!! lol

[whiteomega]

There you have it. My apologies to SpeedBaby.

But my point remains the same. If you get caught breaking the law, doing 50 over, dangerous driving, you shouldn't be surprised that you no longer have any rights

MAN i love a good debate!!! lol

and I agree with you!; I just wish the law was more clear. :)

[LockOut]

and I agree with you!; I just wish the law was more clear. :)

I think this is everyone's feeling. By no means do I disagree that going 50 over is stupid, dangerous, and wrong/should be punished. I don't even disagree with the fact that a suitable punishment is $10000 and impounding your car. I just think that it should be more clear, and more DEFINED. The only thing that has been defined, as you pointed out, WO, is the 50 over. We'll all agree that going that fast not in a controlled environment is not right. But what else is deemed dangerous driving by the specific cop that is watching that stretch of road that day? It should have a list of punishable offenses. If you do w, y or z, the punishment is $X000.

[Cardinal Fang]

I can remember that 43 year old women that was caught doing 101 km/h in a school zone (50 km/hr) on the first week of school. She was charged with "street racing" under the law as it stands.

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=5cb9a99b-3bfb-4a8d-8375-1e19c29c3c1d

She was in a hurry and in a Volvo. My wife and I just laughed at the fact they kept referring to it as street racing. Who with? The other soccer moms that day?

If your driving recklessly you should be charged with reckless driving. If you're street racing then "street racing" is the charge. It just seems all so silly.

[whiteomega]

Agreed. I don't think the penalty should be any different, but perhaps the name of the law should be changed :)

So-and-so was charged with "Driving like an effing moron" today...

[kevcol74]

Agreed. I don't think the penalty should be any different, but perhaps the name of the law should be changed :)

So-and-so was charged with "Driving like an effing moron" today...

lol Exaxtly.. really, does it matter what its called? Its just a label, and it means you were "being an effing moron and were caught doing it", so take responsibility for it! :bang

[Cardinal Fang]

So-and-so was charged with "Driving like an effing moron" today...

Ah yes the "Cardinal Fang" law if you speak to Mrs. Fang.

[MSMitch]

Going 50 over the limit? Easy to document, bye bye car, hello fines!
Some putz zips from the left lane across three lanes of traffic to the right and back again - again, a bit more easy to call.
TWO or more cars doing that? - yeah, racing, get them the f@%# off the road.

But the grey zones - a "quick" lane change to avoid someone slowly drifting in your lane? Road debris, leprechaun on the road, in those situations you may not have time to indicate, etc.

Me personally, I'm more of an offensive driver - many times I'd rather get the heck out of a sticky situation rather than slamming the brakes and getting stuck in the middle of it.

It's the broad nature of the law is the crux of the problem. I'm fairly lucky, (slightly) older male, professional, kids - if I get pulled over, cops probably aren't going to give me a hard time. Some young male driver in same situation - profilling will likely land him a harder time with the cops than me.

BUT, they gotta start somewhere I guess - too bad that after a year of the new law in Ontario preliminary stats have failed to show ANY difference in speeding violations (not sure about reckless driving charges). I certainly think twice now about speeding - what am I saying, I NEVER speed :chuckle

[zoomzoom33]

And as for me..i was caught doing 50 over (by accident) but i didnt get my car impounded or my license suspended although im awaiting my trial in december..so hopefully it gets thrown out if not im paying a $1000 fine and losing 6 points:blush

How in the world does anyone go over 50kph by accident? :pop

[Thrizzl3]

How in the world does anyone go over 50kph by accident? :pop

going down a hill while passing a car...and having an extremely soft accelerator pedal = easy speeding:bang

[x_o_k_x]

I think its very easy to reach over 50, when trying to pass someone.. Just downshift to 3rd or 4th and accelarate.. in the blink of an eye you already going 150. I think "aggressive driving" should be charged, not that you trying to pass big trucks with rocks flying off or other slow dumb drivers for that TV show that could cause problems and then decrease the speed back to 110-120.. I dont see the big deal here? I think more innocent drivers get pulled over, when everytime on friday and saturday nights I see street racing all the time, why no one pulls them over?

[openuser]

I always see jackass drivers swerving through already fast moving traffic..
But I don't see them getting pulled over..

[whiteomega]

The cops are trying..the problem is there aren't enough cops to patrol every road all the time.

[kevcol74]

The cops are trying..the problem is there aren't enough cops to patrol every road all the time.

100% agree... and when they do pull someone over they think is being aggressive, its either they throw up the "profiling" card or the "racial" card... then we have everyone complaining about it. Aggressive or not, cops don't pull you over for no reason, you obviously did something illegal.

I did get pulled over for no reason once, but it was because of a raft of thefts on my type of car at the time... So it cost me 10 minutes, big deal. Its not like it changed my life or anything, he checked my ownership against the VIN tag and sent me on my way. I was 18, I didn't care. Was I "profiled"? Maybe, but they do that for a reason... the public gives them that reason! You get pulled over in your riced up civic... yes, profiled... but blame the other 5 civics that were doing it, not the cops

[jaimie08mazda3]

as i have said before on another thread. my buddy got that ticket doing 180 in a 50 zone in his dodge neon, before that having his old neon crushed for stret racing back when they could crush the cars. that saying. on a country road at 2 int he morning by my house coming home from work yea i got it up to 50 over. but that being said i still think its stupid on say a city road or a school zone thats just dumb. simple as that