Unsafe lane change ticket

[Kevin@nextmod]

So....my little brother just got a ticket for unsafe lane change (do'nt ask me what he did cause i have no idea).
I have no experience with these tickets, so can someone tell me if we pay for this ticket will the insurance rate jack up? my dad doesn't care about the $110 ticket but just worried about the insurance.
Also does anyone know where there is a good ticket fighter around markham?

Thanks.....

[SpeedBaby]

unsafe lane change as any moving violation for which a ticket of $110 is issued also comes with 2 demerrit points. therefore his insurance rate will go up.
my suggestion is to fight it all the way

[Kevin@nextmod]

thanks tamara.......soooo....can someone tell me where there would be a good ticket fighter in markham?
Xcopper any good?

[Fuman]

i got one.
fought it, and it got changed to 'improper use of turn signals'. 0 points.
My insurance didnt go up.

[Kevin@nextmod]

which fighter did you go with?

[RedRaptor]

Pearly, PM me.

[Kevin@nextmod]

sending pm

[midnightfxgt]

I would go and meet the Justice of the peace, and see what is offered. If you dont like what they offer, take it to court, and only hire someone after that. Most times they will knock it down :)

[nicker]

WTF....the police have nothing better to do?

What the hell is an unsafe lane change. Forgetting to single? I mean Cops do that all the time, I don't think their signals on their cars even work.

[Wild Weasel]

I can think of a lot of things that constitute an unsafe lane change! Are you suggesting this is a bogus charge?

I don't know what Pearly's brother did, but there are certainly plenty of things people do that warrant this ticket.

[KenYork]

I'd rather see more unsafe lane change charges than speeding. Would cut out those weavers and non-signalers.

[Kevin@nextmod]

one more question is .....if its 2 points off. Does it say on the ticket?

[chinsterr]

What the hell is an unsafe lane change. Forgetting to single? I mean Cops do that all the time, I don't think their signals on their cars even work.

Better an unsafe lane change than a "reckless driving" charge, which i believe is 6 DM points if I'm not mistaken

[nicker]

no Im not saying there isn't such a think but I haven't ever heard of anyone getting pulled over for it. I guess they can classify anything into that category. When people come into your lane with out signaling and cut you off etc.

Maybe this new tigher enforcement??

[Fuman]

unsafe lane change couple be change lanes 2-3 lanes in a row without pausing in a lane.

[Xerox]

one more question is .....if its 2 points off. Does it say on the ticket?

I don't think so. I've wondered why they don't write it on the ticket. I don't think the cop even knows half the time.

[Kevin@nextmod]

I don't think so. I've wondered why they don't write it on the ticket. I don't think the cop even knows half the time.

oh.....thats gay....stupid cops.... but then again....i do'nt know what my brother did at that time.... but i want to say thanks to Redraptor, pimpin29Y, mazdaspeed and the others for helping me out with the addresses and the tips

[SP33D 3]

yea when i got a ticket for driving by myself in the HOV lane going south on the 404 getting onto the 401 i asked the cop if there was points involved hes like i have no clue but just fight it anyways so i did, but the ministry screwed up and said i paid for it when i didnt so im still waiting for trial date

[Xerox]

yea when i got a ticket for driving by myself in the HOV lane going south on the 404 getting onto the 401 i asked the cop if there was points involved hes like i have no clue but just fight it anyways so i did, but the ministry screwed up and said i paid for it when i didnt so im still waiting for trial date

whoa...improper use of HOV lane. In my eyes that's almost as bad as driving on the shoulder. Nothing personal so hope you don't get offended. That's a pretty hefty fine isn't it? And it does include demerit points.

Good luck at trial.

[Cardinal Fang]

yea when i got a ticket for driving by myself in the HOV lane going south on the 404 getting onto the 401 i asked the cop if there was points involved hes like i have no clue but just fight it anyways so i did, but the ministry screwed up and said i paid for it when i didnt so im still waiting for trial date

Seriously, driving in the HOV lane by yourself is really stupid. I'm not sure how you're going to get out of that when the Justice of the Peace asks you how many people were in your car. You're going to have to ask someone to come to court and purger themselves for you.

:loco

[SP33D 3]

yea it was stupid and i got caught, it comes with 2 or 3 points i think... the only reason im taking it to trial is to meet with the prosecuter and try to make a deal, i know im not going to win, and i think its a couple hundred for the ticket, dont remember cause it happened almost 1.5 years ago when that lane was made

[Cardinal Fang]

I suggest you:

1. Wear a short skirt or
2. A low cut top or
3. A combination of the first two and
4. Hope for someone "more gay" than RuPaul behind the bench.

:chuckle

[3GFX]

OntarioTrafficTickets is also good bud. Fight it.

[MattC]

with the new laws hes lucky he didnt get tagged for weaving or bobbing in and out of traffic

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I don't think so. I've wondered why they don't write it on the ticket. I don't think the cop even knows half the time.

because you're supposed to know ...it's part of the Driver's Handbook we're all supposed to study prior to taking our written exam :P

[Skarbro]

unsafe lane change as any moving violation for which a ticket of $110 is issued also comes with 2 demerrit points. therefore his insurance rate will go up.
I just wanted to point out that this is one of the biggest misconceptions of auto insurance. Tickets can affect your insurance rates even if no demerit points were issued.

The conviction type as defined by the individual insurance company is what constitutes a reason for rate adjustment. In this case, some companies view this as a minor, some a major.

In any case, fight it. This ticket WILL affect insurance rates.

[DingBat]

I hate to be a real downer here, but wouldn't the best way to teach a lesson be to simply pay the ticket and make your little brother cough up the cash to cover the increase in the insurance rates?

People wonder why we have so many asshats driving around. Here's exactly why. A ticket for a moving violation becomes a matter of avoiding a bill. Instead of owning up to the error and paying the fine, we think the best thing to do is to go waste the courts time, dump the cost of the court time on the taxpayer (which means you, me, and everyone else) and try to weasel out of it by playing scheduling games with the police officer who wrote the ticket. Oh, and then, for more fun, we'll post a few witty comments wondering where the cops are when we really need em.

Yeah, this seems like a sensible thing to do.

[Cardinal Fang]

Fark......I agree with DingBat.

[Skarbro]

I hate to be a real downer here, but wouldn't the best way to teach a lesson be to simply pay the ticket and make your little brother cough up the cash to cover the increase in the insurance rates?

People wonder why we have so many asshats driving around. Here's exactly why. A ticket for a moving violation becomes a matter of avoiding a bill. Instead of owning up to the error and paying the fine, we think the best thing to do is to go waste the courts time, dump the cost of the court time on the taxpayer (which means you, me, and everyone else) and try to weasel out of it by playing scheduling games with the police officer who wrote the ticket. Oh, and then, for more fun, we'll post a few witty comments wondering where the cops are when we really need em.

Yeah, this seems like a sensible thing to do.
It sounds like Pearly's dad is the one who pays the insurance premiums, so the only one who would be punished is Pearly's dad.

[DingBat]

It sounds like Pearly's dad is the one who pays the insurance premiums, so the only one who would be punished is Pearly's dad.

Ahem...

"I hate to be a real downer here, but wouldn't the best way to teach a lesson be to simply pay the ticket and make your little brother cough up the cash to cover the increase in the insurance rates?"

[Kevin@nextmod]

Well i guess you do'tn know how old i am and my little brother. He just got his license about 2 years ago and its only a G2. I've sat in his car and he drives normally and bahaves very well on the road. Maybe he just made a mistake at that time i really do'nt know. We have 4 cars at home and apparently he has to be under the stupid van which is new and its already $5600 a year. If the insurance jacks up, for example $1000. How do you expect an 18 year old just got out of high school pay $550 a month for insurance?

[Kevin@nextmod]

And also...lets not talk about who should learn the lesson and who is the jackass here. My question is clearly stated on the first post.

[DingBat]

If the insurance goes up $1000, that's less than $100 a month. Surely your little brother can find a job to cover that amount???

Hey, I knew there'd be a hostile reaction to my suggestion. I find that sad. You do realize that when you play games with the courts to avoid a fine that costs money. And that money comes from taxpayers. So, essentially, you want me to pay for your brothers mistake.

And you think I'm rude and inconsiderate?

[Kevin@nextmod]

so you're telling me you're not going ot fight one single ticket in your life?

[DingBat]

so you're telling me you're not going ot fight one single ticket in your life?

Not if I did the deed.

[Dan Da Man]

never mind that xcopper crap, just go to court speak /w the cop and prosecutor ask to plead to a lesser charge.

[DingBat]

never mind that xcopper crap, just go to court speak /w the cop and prosecutor ask to plead to a lesser charge.

Now THAT is a completely reasonable suggestion.

[Skarbro]

never mind that xcopper crap, just go to court speak /w the cop and prosecutor ask to plead to a lesser charge.
I would not suggest that at all. Pleading guilty to a lesser charge is still admitting guilt. He'll still have it on his record and insurance will still go up.

[Wild Weasel]

I hate to be a real downer here, but wouldn't the best way to teach a lesson be to simply pay the ticket and make your little brother cough up the cash to cover the increase in the insurance rates?

People wonder why we have so many asshats driving around. Here's exactly why. A ticket for a moving violation becomes a matter of avoiding a bill. Instead of owning up to the error and paying the fine, we think the best thing to do is to go waste the courts time, dump the cost of the court time on the taxpayer (which means you, me, and everyone else) and try to weasel out of it by playing scheduling games with the police officer who wrote the ticket. Oh, and then, for more fun, we'll post a few witty comments wondering where the cops are when we really need em.

Yeah, this seems like a sensible thing to do.

I would fully agree with this if not for the actions of the insurance industry. With the amounts your rates get jacked up, the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime.

[Broli]

I would fully agree with this if not for the actions of the insurance industry. With the amounts your rates get jacked up, the punishment simply doesn't fit the crime.

ahem brother!


dingbat,

i think the problem is that some people don't believe that they should face such massive insurance increases from recieving a simple moving violation ticket. certainly some occasions do warrant it, but not every occasion.

as such, not fighting a ticket ends up being a stupid decision. I am sorry that ur tax dollars will be spent fighting me. but if the system is going to be set up in a stupid overspending wasteful manner. why should we be the philanthropists and bend over and take the ticket without a fight?

I dont know the specifics of the case with Pealy's brother, but if he is anything like Pearly, i am sure it was a simple mistake and not a malicious maneuver.

[DingBat]

Hey, I dislike insurance companies just as much as the next guy. And I'm sure Pearly's brother is a decent guy. I never intended to imply otherwise.

On the other hand, I believe in feedback. Tickets are meant to be feedback: if you don't want a ticket, with the accompanying insurance pain then change your behavior.

No one has yet explained to me how having Pearly's brother pick up a part time job to pay off the additional $100 a month in insurance is a bad solution. The courts aren't bothered. Peary's father isn't penalized. Pearly's brother is "encouraged" not to make radical lane changes. Everyone wins.

I'll bow out now.

[Xerox]

Instead of owning up to the error and paying the fine, we think the best thing to do is to go waste the courts time, dump the cost of the court time on the taxpayer (which means you, me, and everyone else) and try to weasel out of it by playing scheduling games with the police officer who wrote the ticket.

I know what you mean and it makes complete sense but there are counter points as already posted by WW and Broli. But I don't think one should discourage others from taking a ticket to trial. Doesn't everyone have the right to a fair trial whether they are guilty or not?

[Kevin@nextmod]

I know what you mean and it makes complete sense but there are counter points as already posted by WW and Broli. But I don't think one should discourage others from taking a ticket to trial. Doesn't everyone have the right to a fair trial whether they are guilty or not?
Well said........thanks guys.......