The 'Stop Asking People to Use Search' Thread

[Centropolis]

Okay, why do I get this feeling that people can't ****ing ask the same question twice? Do every one of you search every time you post something? I obviously know that the search function is there but sometimes, you get others to talk about the topic again and they may have new opinions and knowledge about it.

I asked a legitimate car-related question and people slammed me for asking a question covered before. If I post a thread that says 'Leafs Suck'.....does that mean I should search and see if someone before me talked about the Leafs being bad first before I start a discussion? I am sure I was not the first one to talk about the Leafs on this forum.

It is also beneficial to know that new users join this forum on a daily basis. The information they read and learn from these forums are useful to them. It is sometimes not a bad idea to revisit some of the topics so that new users can get involved in these discussions.

[Broli]

can you post the link to the thread where u were slammed?

[MPS]

Use Search Broli :chuckle
don't be lame
and as for new members getting slamed all the time i with him on that one :complain

[Broli]

lol
come on, i dont even know the topic, it would be a pain to search thru all his posts!

[chinsterr]

Use Search Broli :chuckle
don't be lame
and as for new members getting slamed all the time i with him on that one :complain

haha good one !

I agree with centropolis, and it doesn't help that the the search function is crap-tacular (at best)

[Centropolis]

lol
come on, i dont even know the topic, it would be a pain to search thru all his posts!

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=21094

You know what, I am just frustrated. Maybe it is work-related.......nothing against Ami.

[sicsol]

Since when can we swear on the forum.

[RedRaptor]

Search.

[WLS ZMZM]

I have to admit... sometimes being told to use search gets annyoing, as well like chinsterr said.... it doesn't work very well either.... especially when it returns over a hundred posts it can be a little intimidating. I agree with Centropolis, no neeed to flame right away, WW didn't flame the thread he answered the question, besides who knows how many topics have actually been duplicated

[Centropolis]

Since when can we swear on the forum.

If you put the word '****' in the Search and click 'Show Posts', you'll get 201 hits. That's 200 times people said '****' before I said it!

[MPS]

what the **** !!!
202 now

[mit-gee-mui]

As someone who has been here since April 04, I can tell you that it gets rather annoying (just like you guys get annoyed when you are asked to search) when people come on the boards and ask the simplest things over and over again, whether the topic has been beaten to death or not. Yes, some people are genuinely lazy, and they don't bother to spend time looking for answers to their question, knowing that others will lead them to the right thread. And other times, people don't use the right words and can't find things that way. But at the same time, you can't please everyone. In terms of keeping everything organized, it is a lot simpler to keep certain things in one thread versus having a whole bunch of threads on the same topic. If I recall correctly, this was one of the reasons why majic got so fed up. So why do we ask you to search? Simply for organization. It is a lot easier to search for something and find it all in one thread versus scattered throughout many threads. And chances are, many questions have already been asked and answered.

[Broli]

swearing is technically never ok on the forum.

but truthfully i see it everyday from all sorts of different members.

we try to use fark and such, but sometimes we f-up!

as for that thread Ken,

i can agree, that perhaps you could have been spoken to more nicely

but in the end, u can move on to the other thread (i am assuming it is a good thread for this) and ask ur questions there

i think the call was the right one in closing the thread.

but i understand that you would have prefered to hear

"please continue this discussion in this thread . . . "

[Centropolis]

what the **** !!!
202 now

Okay buddy, in no way was I promoting swearing on this board. I was just using the word to vent......

[WLS ZMZM]

hahahah as for the previous.... to me this is how you tell someone about using search.... NICE JOB SAUGA KID
To my knowledge, there isn't an aftermarket grille out for the '07's but I may be wrong, check in with SSG(Supershyguy @ Nextmod). Always willing to help, but just for future reference, try using the search, thought I'd let you know now cuz a lot of people will crap on you for not doing so.
found it in one of hte other threads..

I also dont think it helps that there are some members on here who think they are mods... won't mention any names... :chuckle

[Centropolis]

swearing is technically never ok on the forum.

but truthfully i see it everyday from all sorts of different members.

we try to use fark and such, but sometimes we f-up!

as for that thread Ken,

i can agree, that perhaps you could have been spoken to more nicely

but in the end, u can move on to the other thread (i am assuming it is a good thread for this) and ask ur questions there

i think the call was the right one in closing the thread.

but i understand that you would have prefered to hear

"please continue this discussion in this thread . . . "

It is not that I disagree with moving the discussion of the topic to another thread. It's more like....stop talking to members like they're idiots. Sometimes, people just forget that maybe the topic was covered before. Also, I really don't see a problem with talking about one topic twice.....in the end....what's wrong with that? You will get members replying to the new thread that didn't say anything the last time.

Anyway, i am okay now.......you can close this thread too if you want.

See you tonight and who's buying coffee? :)

[Centropolis]

As someone who has been here since April 04, I can tell you that it gets rather annoying (just like you guys get annoyed when you are asked to search) when people come on the boards and ask the simplest things over and over again, whether the topic has been beaten to death or not. Yes, some people are genuinely lazy, and they don't bother to spend time looking for answers to their question, knowing that others will lead them to the right thread. And other times, people don't use the right words and can't find things that way. But at the same time, you can't please everyone. In terms of keeping everything organized, it is a lot simpler to keep certain things in one thread versus having a whole bunch of threads on the same topic. If I recall correctly, this was one of the reasons why majic got so fed up.


I agree that it must get annoying for people who has been on the board for a while. But many people posting the 'simple' questions are new or new-ish members. They may genuinely came here for help.

All I am saying is, it's okay to say that the topic has been covered before....but please be a bit sensitive about it.

At the end of the day, we're all about loving our Mazda 3's no need to throw flames.

Oh I forgot to ask......is that you in your avatar pic? hahaha

[Broli]

i think the real problem with a duplicate discussion, and then a triplicate and so on, is when other people do use the search feature (lol, i know its funny)

but it makes it more difficult to narrow in on information, when it is spread over different threads and such.

[mit-gee-mui]

Oh I forgot to ask......is that you in your avatar pic? hahaha


You've met me once. You tell me.:whoa


I see your frustration though. I hope that you understand both sides of the story now.

[RedRaptor]

As someone who has been here since April 04, I can tell you that it gets rather annoying (just like you guys get annoyed when you are asked to search) when people come on the boards and ask the simplest things over and over again, whether the topic has been beaten to death or not. Yes, some people are genuinely lazy, and they don't bother to spend time looking for answers to their question, knowing that others will lead them to the right thread. And other times, people don't use the right words and can't find things that way. But at the same time, you can't please everyone. In terms of keeping everything organized, it is a lot simpler to keep certain things in one thread versus having a whole bunch of threads on the same topic. If I recall correctly, this was one of the reasons why majic got so fed up. So why do we ask you to search? Simply for organization. It is a lot easier to search for something and find it all in one thread versus scattered throughout many threads. And chances are, many questions have already been asked and answered.

+infinity!!!

Been here since 2004 as well and I feel actually the way MGM does about this.

[Broli]

truth be told, if you show that u searched, u will find 1000X more help from the sticklers!

and truth be told again, they are the ones who know the information!

:D

[sauga_kid]

Thanks for the quote there Will, but as everyone has mentioned, it does get annoying when questions are asked over and over again. Do use the search function, and if you don't, just be prepared to be flamed. Yes, the feature does not function so well, but try it. With regards to using it myself, I try to, and if I don't then I have no right to get all but hurt when someone tells me to.

[WLS ZMZM]

hey I'm not saying you shouldn't try searching I always try doing it first... and I'll use different words or sentences to figure it out.... and then if all else fails I'll ask....and start a thread.... I was just using your post as an example of how you can be polite and still get the point across without being rude, nothing more intimidating to a noob then being told off besides we've all been there, so I ask where's the love?

[Cardinal Fang]

I agree that it must get annoying for people who has been on the board for a while. But many people posting the 'simple' questions are new or new-ish members. They may genuinely came here for help.

If you read the guide for newbies you would have seen the section about using the search feature before posting. It pretty much explains how the board is run.

Nobody has any issues with helping others. That's what we are here for. The problem comes about when you have the same question being asked over and over. It duplicates the threads for no valid reason. You end up having a whole bunch of threads with partial answers to the same question rather than a few with complete answers. This board is a two way street. We aren't here to serve every tom dick and harry that logs in to get information. We expect newbies to search for the information and if they find that it hasn't been discussed then they should feel free to ask away.

If you have a follow up to an old thread then by all means bring it back and ask away. The next person the comes along and actually uses the search will therefore find all the information in one place. Not scattered around in several threads. It's about building a database of information based on a set uf standards. It doesn't help when people decide to do their own things.

Fact of the matter is we ARE NO DIFFERENT than other boards. Look at any other serious board and you will have the same reaction from the members who want you to use the search feature. I hate to tell you this but they don't slamb the newbies because they have a sadistic itch to scratch. They do it because they have a point to make. The question is do you want to listen to it?



At the end of the day, we're all about loving our Mazda 3's no need to throw flames.


I looked at the thread you mentioned. If you took offense to my comment then I can't help you there. I didn't flame you and the moderator certainly wasn't harsh when he thanked me and locked the thread. You can take what I've posted to heart. It isn't intended to be harsh. I just want to explain why things are done the way they are done.

We are all guests here and want to keep the place organized.

[sauga_kid]

Oh, no, don't get me wrong Will, I was sincere when I said thanks for the quote. I agree that as a noob, nothing is worst than getting flammed off the bat. I was just voicing my view but I do agree, there are ways of saying things nicely. My bad if it came off wrong.

[WLS ZMZM]

I hear ya no worries... besides If I have an issue.. I'll just run next door and wait for you outside and we deal with it in the parking lot LMAO :chuckle

[kid_icarus]

posting in an "old" thread bumps the thread up the the top of the list...

it really makes no difference if you start a new thread or not... ppl will respond to the title and if it's recent.... you will get new opinions... no need to start a new thread for the sole reason of getting NEW thoghts and opinions... that's what i did with this thread...http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=20437

i agree that our search function sucks... but clearly in the case of "fuel light"
you would've found the post that the moderators pointed you towards.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/search.php?searchid=252909

overall dont worry i've reposted before... but if i think it's something "simple" i almost always apologize in advance that my googling abilities were below mediocre =)

like everyone said.... it's all about organization... sometimes the reason why the search sucks is because of all the "duplicates"....
"just cuz it's hard to find a garbage can doesn't mean you should just litter like everyone else" is the mentality i believe the mods are trying to enforce.

please don't take offense to any of this centropolis... just trying to add my 2 cents...

[Fuman]

As someone who has been here since April 04, I can tell you that it gets rather annoying (just like you guys get annoyed when you are asked to search) when people come on the boards and ask the simplest things over and over again, whether the topic has been beaten to death or not. Yes, some people are genuinely lazy, and they don't bother to spend time looking for answers to their question, knowing that others will lead them to the right thread. And other times, people don't use the right words and can't find things that way. But at the same time, you can't please everyone. In terms of keeping everything organized, it is a lot simpler to keep certain things in one thread versus having a whole bunch of threads on the same topic. If I recall correctly, this was one of the reasons why majic got so fed up. So why do we ask you to search? Simply for organization. It is a lot easier to search for something and find it all in one thread versus scattered throughout many threads. And chances are, many questions have already been asked and answered.
+1.

As others have said, if you searched and can't find anything, then ask away.
Even if another member found what you were looking for with search and you didn't, they have pointed you in the correct direction. I don't see anything wrong with that. (Just like the thread you used as an example).

An example was, http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=228755
I had to ask the biz to merge two threads because the Questions being asked was almost identical and they are BOTH recent and semi-active. So a noob searches and find what he is looking for in parts in different threads. Doesn't really help.

I know for a fact that some people get yelled at for bring a thread back from the dead. I am not sure if this is a rule but it was brought up before. Just state in your post "Note: thread is from _____ ago.". Easy, job done.

Keep things in one thread not only helps with organization but also with the speed of the board.

edit: I do see your frustration. Sometimes you search and start a thread and get slammed just because someone else found what you were looking for. Stuff like this does happen, its just by chance. Be the bigger person and let it go. As you said we are all friends here. =)

[Skarbro]

WATCH AND LEARN (http://fun.drno.de/flash/posting.swf)

[bubba1983]

As someone who has been here since April 04, I can tell you that it gets rather annoying (just like you guys get annoyed when you are asked to search) when people come on the boards and ask the simplest things over and over again, whether the topic has been beaten to death or not. Yes, some people are genuinely lazy, and they don't bother to spend time looking for answers to their question, knowing that others will lead them to the right thread. And other times, people don't use the right words and can't find things that way. But at the same time, you can't please everyone. In terms of keeping everything organized, it is a lot simpler to keep certain things in one thread versus having a whole bunch of threads on the same topic. If I recall correctly, this was one of the reasons why majic got so fed up. So why do we ask you to search? Simply for organization. It is a lot easier to search for something and find it all in one thread versus scattered throughout many threads. And chances are, many questions have already been asked and answered.


+infinity also, myself being on this board from its early birth back in 2004
i am getting sooo tired of the duplicate, and constant multiple threads always getting posted up. I now know how magic felt (from a moderator standpoint) and it really frustrates me...to the point that i want to lock threads where they CLEARLY havn't used the search function...

my online persona isn't a very "friendly" one, moreso a somewhat organized one...
when I or anyone else tells you to search first, post later.....9 times out of 10, its already been covered.
when i joined up on this board waaay back when, i literally spend the better part of 2 months....reading...just reading and more reading...thats teh best way that you can find things....everything won't be handed out on a silver spoon to you...

[Centropolis]

Wow....people do seem to get pissed off so much that I asked a question that was asked before.

Gee.....I wonder if I do a search.....if I would come up with people saying that they got flamed for asking a duplicate question.....sh*t.....I should have searched before I started this thread......f*ck me

Anyways, thanks for all those that had an opinion. This is actually the first time it happened to me. But I always see others get flamed for asking a question again....and I'd think to myself.....geez....just help the guy out!

I really do see a reason for letting people know that when they ask...."What's the best speakers?" or "How do I disable DRL?".....they'd get kind of talked to. Especially if it is in the FAQs. But low fuel warning light isn't really a popular topic so I didn't think that people talked about it. I guess it was a bad assumption.

Maybe it was the way the the mods let people know about it that is bothering.

But I want to say that I do totally understand the other side of the story.

Anyway, case closed......

[eqlso]

The only thing that bugs me about posting new threads is when someone asks about a topic that contains static information. I find things like "what grille fits my car, and which bulb size do I need for my hids?" fairly annoying as that information tends not to change. But stuff like the Leafs thread where the information tends to be fairly dynamic, I don't mind a new thread for that. Just my 2 cents.

[nicker]

I agree 110% on this one !

you do a search on somthing and come back with shit from 2003 or what ever. Well times have changed since then and so have peoples opions.

Stop the slamming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cardinal Fang]

Wow....people do seem to get pissed off so much that I asked a question that was asked before.

Take it with a grain of salt. When you are face to face with someone the verbal communication and facial expression always lets you know how they feel about the question being answered. Online it's a different matter completely. You only have my words to read and it's up to the reader to determine the state of mind of the writer. More often then not the reader will project the assumption that the writer is angry when in fact they are just stating the obvious without malice.



But low fuel warning light isn't really a popular topic so I didn't think that people talked about it. I guess it was a bad assumption.

I know exactly how you feel. When I was first here I did searches all the time before asking a question. The one time I didn't use the search was because my question was so far out in left field that it couldn't have been brought up before. Boy was I wrong and majic pointed it out to me. The point I'm making is that now you know and you can impart the same wisdom on the next newbie.

You're only a newbie if you repeat the same mistakes.


Skarboro, your linky not worky.

[b3GS]

Wow....people do seem to get pissed off so much that I asked a question that was asked before.

Gee.....I wonder if I do a search.....if I would come up with people saying that they got flamed for asking a duplicate question.....sh*t.....I should have searched before I started this thread......f*ck me

Anyways, thanks for all those that had an opinion. This is actually the first time it happened to me. But I always see others get flamed for asking a question again....and I'd think to myself.....geez....just help the guy out!

I really do see a reason for letting people know that when they ask...."What's the best speakers?" or "How do I disable DRL?".....they'd get kind of talked to. Especially if it is in the FAQs. But low fuel warning light isn't really a popular topic so I didn't think that people talked about it. I guess it was a bad assumption.

Maybe it was the way the the mods let people know about it that is bothering.

But I want to say that I do totally understand the other side of the story.

Anyway, case closed......

+1

being a fairly new member to this forum, I have to say I agree with Centropolis on this. I've seen more "use the search" and "thread locked" replies on this forum more then any other i've been on

it's natural for people to ask something that has already been answered at least once, there is only so much that can be covered. And with the amount of threads on this Forum, it's bound to have been covered before. In which case.. hardly any new threads would ever be started.

I just think it creates a bit of an unfriendly environment here when you get just about all of the Sr. members jump all over you for starting a thread.

If it bugs you that much that someone has duplicated a question, then don't answer. Nobody forces you to read the thread.

[Centropolis]

Take it with a grain of salt. When you are face to face with someone the verbal communication and facial expression always lets you know how they feel about the question being answered. Online it's a different matter completely. You only have my words to read and it's up to the reader to determine the state of mind of the writer. More often then not the reader will project the assumption that the writer is angry when in fact they are just stating the obvious without malice.

Hmm.....well, you're right....when we're online we can only "determine the state of mind of the writer" with their words. That's even a better reason to choose your words carefully when you tell someone that this topic has been covered before. That's because....like you said.....can't see your face......you only have words.

[Fuman]

+1

being a fairly new member to this forum, I have to say I agree with Centropolis on this. I've seen more "use the search" and "thread locked" replies on this forum more then any other i've been on

it's natural for people to ask something that has already been answered at least once, there is only so much that can be covered. And with the amount of threads on this Forum, it's bound to have been covered before. In which case.. hardly any new threads would ever be started.

I just think it creates a bit of an unfriendly environment here when you get just about all of the Sr. members jump all over you for starting a thread.

If it bugs you that much that someone has duplicated a question, then don't answer. Nobody forces you to read the thread.
Whats wrong with reviving a thread from the dead, provided that you state 'Thread is from X ago'?? The search function will be alot more easy to use if these technical Qs were all kept in one/few threads.

I agree that if someone pops in and ONLY says 'use search' and locks the thread, that doesn't help the noob. But if they posted a link to the thread they are talking about, I see no problem with that. We've already help the noob out by pointing him in the right direction.

[Cardinal Fang]

+1



I just think it creates a bit of an unfriendly environment here when you get just about all of the Sr. members jump all over you for starting a thread.

If it bugs you that much that someone has duplicated a question, then don't answer. Nobody forces you to read the thread.

This begs the question. The senior members here are now being attacked for attempting to impart on the newbies some common sense and courtesy. So I have to ask this:

Why is it so hard to ATTEMPT to use the search? Would it kill you to even try?

[Centropolis]

This begs the question. The senior members here are now being attacked for attempting to impart on the newbies some common sense and courtesy. So I have to ask this:

Why is it so hard to ATTEMPT to use the search? Would it kill you to even try?

I didn't intend this thread to be an attack on senior members on this forum. I respect everyone of them. They all been very helpful and friendly to me and others. I've met most of them at various meets.

I don't think you should take this as an attack on anything.

There is nothing wrong with letting people know that the topic has been covered before. It's the way people tell others.

And no, it wouldn't kill me if I try. I've tried using the search before and I am still alive and kicking. All I am saying is, don't bash the guy who either forgot to search or new-ish to the forum.

[Cardinal Fang]

Group Hug Everyone!!!

:chuckle

[Centropolis]

Group Hug Everyone!!!

:chuckle


Can I be in the middle?

[crazycanuck]

Only if you give me that DVD/Map gizmo. Shouldn't have showed it to me, I think the lady wants one now.


Can I be in the middle?

[Centropolis]

Only if you give me that DVD/Map gizmo. Shouldn't have showed it to me, I think the lady wants one now.

Just tell her that it's more expensive than a Gucci bag and she'll have second thoughts.
:)

[azn_outlaw]

well I dont mind helping out the new people out, just gives them a sense of welcome...

but only to a certain point.....

but none the less, its not a hard function to use, maybe any new memebers that register with the board, attach a reminder of the search function as a PM with the link to the search and maybe another link to the FAQ question...I dont know if that will work but thats my suggestion..

none the less, what is up with this group hug, Centroplis you can call the middle, no problem, I am flexible...

but you know what lets try something new, it can the new TM3 term....we should all try a Mantrain!!! (for definition and partial description of that please PM MGM for info)

[mit-gee-mui]

but none the less, its not a hard function to use, maybe any new memebers that register with the board, attach a reminder of the search function as a PM with the link to the search and maybe another link to the FAQ question...I dont know if that will work but thats my suggestion..

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=11714&highlight=search+how+to+terms
This might be helpful. Post 2. Tips for searching.

[-RJ3-]

Maybe some people don't know where the search function is...

Let me help....

http://img2.putfile.com/main/10/29712371531.jpg

I know I mispelled it LOL

[3GFX]

Its a drop down menu...

...it even has advanced seach functions!

[zedtech]

As a former moderator on a diff car forum for about 5 years, I know how it feels for long time members when they express their impatience for members that do not use the Search function.

Having said that, I don't understand the harsh manner towards "educating" members to search. I can understand if the member does it more than a few times but what's so hard in saying, "Hey this has been discussed before, you can find the answer here (insert thread here). Please try using the search next time, thanks."? Would you be as blunt and harsh in real life? I'm sure customer service reps you encountered on a daily basis has answered your question a million times but I'm sure we'd all react negatively if someone said, "Oh look at a ****ing directory or would you? Is it so hard to look around and not bother me?"

New users obviously haven't had the luxury of being here as long as some of you, but why have an "elitest" attitude? It doesn't serve anyone or the forum any good. Would you have felt like sticking around if it was done to you off the bat back when you first joined?

[b3GS]

Whats wrong with reviving a thread from the dead, provided that you state 'Thread is from X ago'?? The search function will be alot more easy to use if these technical Qs were all kept in one/few threads.


true, but I've also seen people get bashed on for reviving old threads :bang :chuckle

[Fuman]

true, but I've also seen people get bashed on for reviving old threads :bang :chuckle
true!!! I've seen that a few times. I remember there was a discussion, and there was a conclusion that it'll be okay to revive threads provided that you state 'Thread from ____ ago'.

[whiteomega]

it is annoying to see the same questions over and over again, but instead of laying into to someone for not using the forum search function, how about we start a "the Ultimate FAQ" thread somewhere with "Check here for answers before posting a question" description.

also, instead of lambasting someone for asking a simple question, how about we all try and find a constructive solution instead?

[Cardinal Fang]

it is annoying to see the same questions over and over again, but instead of laying into to someone for not using the forum search function, how about we start a "the Ultimate FAQ" thread somewhere with "Check here for answers before posting a question" description.

It's already here. Look at the forum page between the Mazdaspeed Forum and the New Users Lounge. We called it the "Frequently Asked Questions" Section.

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=92

Also in the new users lounge we have a welcome thread sticky'd that outlines what is expected of new members including politely telling them to use the search feature first.



also, instead of lambasting someone for asking a simple question, how about we all try and find a constructive solution instead?

So when that fails what then? I'm not saying I have the answers but no matter what you try to do there will always be those that simply don't want to listen.

[whiteomega]

good point. guess i should use the search :chuckle

when that fails, remember that while genius has its limits, stupidity doesn't?

[Fuman]

when that fails, remember that while genius has its limits, stupidity doesn't?
this remind mes of the darwin awards! haha

[whiteomega]

this remind mes of the darwin awards! haha

hah. good thing those can only be won posthumously.

[Centropolis]

[quote=whiteomega;231693]Also in the new users lounge we have a welcome thread sticky'd that outlines what is expected of new members including politely telling them to use the search feature first.

I think I've found the key word in that sentence......POLITELY.

As for what happens when you ask people to search over and over and they don't listen.....well, have there been any members that keep doing the same thing? Sometimes, people just have mental hickups. They are worried or issues and they want to resolve them.....they're at work and don't want to spend time looking at 235 hits on one subject etc etc......

I agree that if a particular user do this over and over again, I see an issue....but again, no need to bash the guy who has this issue once or twice.

Reasonable?

[whiteomega]

I think I've found the key word in that sentence......POLITELY.

As for what happens when you ask people to search over and over and they don't listen.....well, have there been any members that keep doing the same thing? Sometimes, people just have mental hickups. They are worried or issues and they want to resolve them.....they're at work and don't want to spend time looking at 235 hits on one subject etc etc......

I agree that if a particular user do this over and over again, I see an issue....but again, no need to bash the guy who has this issue once or twice.

Reasonable?

i think the point of many people here (and one that i myself initially missed reading through this thread) is that the information on how to search, when to use it, why you should use it, and the consequences of not doing so, is already in a post in the new user's section.

granted not everyone reads that post (i certainly didn't), but the fact of the matter is, the information is available. ok, so you didn't bother going to your local planning office to find out that your house (or planet) is in the way of a new multilane highway (spaceway?). if you didn't, be prepared to be kidnapped by aliens....or something.

[Fuman]

I think I've found the key word in that sentence......POLITELY.

As for what happens when you ask people to search over and over and they don't listen.....well, have there been any members that keep doing the same thing? Sometimes, people just have mental hickups. They are worried or issues and they want to resolve them.....they're at work and don't want to spend time looking at 235 hits on one subject etc etc......

I agree that if a particular user do this over and over again, I see an issue....but again, no need to bash the guy who has this issue once or twice.

Reasonable?
if you are at work, and don't have much time, don't start the thread unless its urgent. But I do agree with you that polite is key.
Also readers have to take what we write with a grain of salt (as someone else have put it)

One of the few things that gets annoying is when noobs post 'Hey I just got a mazda 3' in the General Lounge. We have a lounge just for them. We generally don't jump on them, but we do move the thread when we notice it.

[whiteomega]

ok, now i blame Fang for forgetting his closing /quote tag and screwing up everyone else's quotes.

is it "up your post count friday" yet?

[Centropolis]

Maybe some people don't know where the search function is...

Let me help....

http://img2.putfile.com/main/10/29712371531.jpg

I know I mispelled it LOL

Wow...this is gotta be the best tutorial ever! :)

Jesus, I have been using a computer since some of you weren't even born. Back in the good old days of Apple and Apple II with casette tapes as storage....needed 8 minutes to load the game Mario Bros. Then came 40MB hard drives that were $500 AND twice the physical size. I ran a BBS with a program called Teleguard with a phone line using 1200 baud model on a monochrome screen. This is when you can read faster than the output of characters going across the screen. When the coolest program was PC Tools and PKZIP......

Ah....the good old days....and now we have the Search function......and I get blamed for being stupid for not using it first.

[whiteomega]

i think one good point has been missed in all the posting going on here. some of the forum topics are very old, but still contain useful information. those with *really* useful information have already been stickied. consolidating the info from those that haven't into one stickied post in the FAQ section, then pruning old topics, would make the search button more effective.

[Cardinal Fang]

ok, so you didn't bother going to your local planning office to find out that your house (or planet) is in the way of a new multilane highway (spaceway?). if you didn't, be prepared to be kidnapped by aliens....or something.

whiteomega, I knew there was something about you that I liked. The example above is comedic literary genius. I spit out my coffee when I read this.


ok, now i blame Fang for forgetting his closing /quote tag and screwing up everyone else's quotes.



This week is beating up the newbies week for me. Closing my quotes week isn't for another 2 weeks.

*Runs*

[WLS ZMZM]

I think alot of people have brought up some very valid points, I think Centropolis has got the idea. but I do agree with Whiteomega, it's like I said all we have to do is be polite. Believe me I got flamed a few times by Majic, and by Fang *makes the sign of the cross* but the key is being polite when flaming... let's not all forget we all used to be noobs at some point or another
but in reality how many noobs do you think actually read the important information thing at the top? I know I didn't but at the same time I have learned to use the search function.

[Centropolis]

It seems like this thread will never end.

So let me ask the question,

When is Cardinal Fang going to show up at a meet so that we can do the group hug?

[WLS ZMZM]

oh he's there you just don't always see him... lmao

[Skarbro]

It seems like this thread will never end.

I know what would make this stupid thread end.

:lock

[Garu]

Hey is the Friday thread opened yet?

[Cardinal Fang]

So let me ask the question,

When is Cardinal Fang going to show up at a meet so that we can do the group hug?

*Steps back from Centropolis*

Ok now you newbies are really starting to freak me out. :chuckle

[S.F.W.]

ok, I think this thread has been beaten to death. Lock time.