John Ferguson fired!? Looks like it will be soon!! [Archive]

cwp_sedan

11-26-2007, 11:39 AM

FINALLY!! People are coming to their senses!

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2007/11/26/4686138-sun.html

Hopefully this happens and someone can actually do some good up there. Bring in some stronger players and bring back some hope to the team. The year so far has been quite the letdown.

S.F.W.

11-26-2007, 11:57 AM

I will start off by saying I'm not a leafs fan, but rather support the Bruins. That said, I think Paul Maurice should get fired as well. Part of the leafs defense issues are they play man to man defense. This is seriously out of date, and they don't have defencemen capable. As well, it's obvious the team doesn't listen to him anymore, so I think both should be replaced.

cwp_sedan

11-26-2007, 12:08 PM

Here's another article

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/Hockey/article/279807

Junior

11-26-2007, 12:13 PM

'Bout time.

RedRaptor

11-26-2007, 12:15 PM

The sooner the better. JFJ is the worse GM in the NHL. Look at the Raps and how much of a difference a good qualified GM makes on the team.

WLS ZMZM

11-26-2007, 12:39 PM

Honestly, I hate the leafs just like Ami does except no way in hell would I support the bruins. I'm a Habs fan plain and simple however. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that JFJ can't get the job done, he trades a high prospect like Raask for Raycroft (had one solid year and it was over) then gets Toskala, and signs him to a deal before he's even played one game. Now if you look at the deals hes signed some of the leafs to... it shows how bad he is, look at mccabes contract no trade and no movement clause so its really up to mccabe, now there is no team in the NHL who is dumb enough to pay mccabe that kind of money. Blake was a nice addition I'll give him credit for that, but signing another goal scorer is not the answer to the leafs problems. They need DMEN and fast!! As much as I hate boston....... Ami I was thrilled that Raask got the win against the buds as it showed them what they lost out on. As for the future the way Pogge is playing it ain't looking much better!!

WLS ZMZM

11-26-2007, 12:50 PM

as for Maurice, you can only place so much blame on the coach, he can only do what he can with the players he has, I agree he is an older style coach and that style of play doesnt really work anymore unless you have speedy dmen. Just food for thought, Carolina fired Maurice and won the stanley cup the following year... not that the leafs could win but jsut a thought.

b3GS

11-26-2007, 12:58 PM

I'm just glad they are doing something.. it's getting downright stupid

that game against Phoenix on Saturday was just embarassing

dumpbear

11-26-2007, 01:06 PM

The Leafs currently have the fewest wins in all of the NHL and have played the most games... That says it all...

nicker

12-04-2007, 08:48 AM

I agree this is good but a few years late! They should have kept Quinn and got rid of useless Furgeson way back when. With that said, I use to be pretty big supporter of the leafs but can't say that anymore. Years of dissapointment and what seems to be a lack of careing by the Leafs organizeation has left me lacking much support for this shit whole they call a team. The leafs lets face it SELL out every game whether they have a good time or as it may be the shitty team they have had for too many years now. Its like they don't care as they make money either way. Well the fans have to stop showing up and show that we have had enough! Secondly GET a good ****ing defence! I use to think Raycroft wasn't good but he is (just look at what he did in boston). But lets face it the guy can't do it all. Honestly get rid of Sundin, McCabe...for starters free up some $$$$$$$ and get some new players.

Cardinal Fang

12-04-2007, 09:21 AM

JFJ tried to fire Paul Maurice but the board of governors wouldn't let him. I may be wrong but if you are the GM and you aren't allowed to fire the coach I pretty sure that's a sign you are no longer the GM.

Wild Weasel

12-04-2007, 10:17 AM

Paul Maurice was his own hand-picked coach! If he fires him, it's just further proof of what a botched job of GM he's done.

Of course, you're still right and he should still be able to do it.

1flycdnM3

12-04-2007, 05:02 PM

Maurice isn't the problem by a LONG SHOT! He is one of the better coaches in the league and has done alot to "mix it up" with the team he has (which I agree isn't much). I am a DIE HARD Leafs fan and a realist to boot. I have great faith in the teams' dynamics and abilities, but I agree that things need to change. JFJ would be the obvious place to start and the second would be a new GM that isnt afraid to spend money on Defense (get rid of McCabe?!)... He is a contract player and he has his "good games" every so often, but mainly could care less so long as he is getting paid!

Cardinal Fang

12-04-2007, 05:08 PM

Fire the whole farking team.

bluntman

01-22-2008, 11:54 AM

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=227906&hubname=

Na Na Na Na
Na Na Na Na
Hey Hey Hey Goodbye!

mEtH

01-22-2008, 12:11 PM

WOO HOO! Lets see if that changes anything...

cwp_sedan

01-22-2008, 12:14 PM

We're still going to have to start over. I wish it was as easy as changing the GM. Now Fletcher (if he is here 100%) has to make some decisions. Who stays, who goes, and how long it is going to take to rebuild this team to becaome at least a playoff team again!! :(

REZXPERT

01-22-2008, 12:35 PM

bottom line: MLSE ownership. till that Russian billionaire Alex Shnaider steps us & buys the team, the Leafs will ALWAYS suck.

who hired JFJ again? right. dimbledick Peddie should be first to go.

cwp_sedan

01-22-2008, 12:42 PM

Peddie should be second on the list for sure!

Caz

01-22-2008, 01:05 PM

Hopefully Fletcher has full control

sicsol

01-22-2008, 01:12 PM

Who's Next ?

cwp_sedan

01-22-2008, 01:32 PM

There was just a press conference on it here...

http://www.640toronto.com/shared/player/?id=cfmjam

bluntman

01-22-2008, 02:17 PM

Hmm, Peddie just gave Fletcher full autonomy with respect to hockey matters. Finally! I wonder if Fletcher can fire the people above him.

hehehe

cwp_sedan

01-22-2008, 02:22 PM

Hmm, Peddie just gave Fletcher full autonomy with respect to hockey matters. Finally! I wonder if Fletcher can fire the people above him.

hehehe

lol..wouldn't that be nice.

Personally I think Pettie is full of crap! I still think that it's going to be the same. Fletcher has more experience so hopefully will be able to turn this around.

WLS ZMZM

01-22-2008, 02:36 PM

For the leaf fans out there... the healing begins :chuckle While Fletcher will pull some moves... he's really no better.... then Ferguson he did build the 92-93 team.. that had the one breakthrough year.. but that was all... either way..
GOLF LEAFS GOLF!!

zedtech

01-22-2008, 02:47 PM

Full autonomy is great! First up, get rid of Raycroft ASAP. Then let's see if he can convince Sundin, Kaberle and McCabe to waive their no-trade/no-movement clauses. If he does, then he's a friggin magician lol.

mprus

01-22-2008, 02:49 PM

finally...........

OnkelHans

01-22-2008, 03:29 PM

Although I didn't like him I don't think this will solve anything. Look at the mess with Scotty Bowman. The entire management structure needs to be booted and then the team blown up and built from the ground up. If any f you are teachers, start managing your retirement today and fire Peddie and vote out Tannenbaum.:rant

bluntman

01-22-2008, 03:34 PM

I think they should get rid of Kubina, Wellwood, Wozniewski and Blake.

OnkelHans

01-22-2008, 03:37 PM

Don't forget Ian White. He sucks!

cwp_sedan

01-22-2008, 03:43 PM

Why don't you guys just list the entire team? lol. You're almost there. I wish they could just dish off certain players but unfortunately Ferguson has locked them up for a few years.

The main players that I feel need to go are Raycroft, Blake, Tucker, Wozniewski, McCabe. I like Kaberle but he hasn't been playing very well lately.

I still think Sundin is a big asset to the team. Unless we are willing to miss the playoffs for sure this year and give him up for a good prospect and someone else, then go for it. He is still producing more than anyone else but what will we get for him in the end? That is the ultimate question.

Maurice is in for the rest of the year as coach, but who knows what his future holds after that.

Unoriginalusername

01-22-2008, 03:47 PM

about time this finally happened

Cardinal Fang

01-22-2008, 04:46 PM

I loved this quote from Richard "I'm a bigger Fark-Wad than you" Peddie:

"After full consideration of the Leafs' situation, it has become clear that change and a new direction is needed. Regrettably, we did not win enough games to reach our goal, winning the Stanley Cup."

Thank you very much Captain Obvious.

RallyPlaya

01-22-2008, 04:57 PM

Yeah i Vote Brian Collangelo To Be The Leafs GM 2. Too Bad that will Never Happen the Leafs Lately Have Not Cared For the Direction of The Team and Are More About making $$$ Which They Defenitely Do. I Think they Should Start Over Entirely Get Some Good Draft picks, Get a new Goaltender Give Pogge a Shot and make some moves that will benifet them longterm. The Leafs always sign old guys ex Francis in the past. The new mov.t should aim for youth.

mprus

01-22-2008, 04:58 PM

DONT forget about maurice

Unoriginalusername

01-22-2008, 05:10 PM

DONT forget about maurice

x2 i am not his biggest fan

cwp_sedan

01-22-2008, 05:41 PM

dj_chinaman2097

01-22-2008, 06:03 PM

If no one could get Raycroft to waive his "no-clauses", how do you think anyone could get McCabe to waive his? These bucketheads are just going to wait for their contracts to be bought out or expire.

I don't think there's anything better than being a terrible player with a huge salary with the no-trade and no-send-down clauses.

Here's my list of players that NEED TO GO:

1. Raycroft (this guy can't even catch, plus his attitude pisses me off)
2. McCabe (he sucked ever since coming back from Team Canada)
3. Wozniewski (it doesn't matter how his name's spelled, no skills)
4. Blake (he's skilled and drives hard, but not enough production for his contract)
5. Wellwood (his facial expressions and play show that he doesn't care anymore)
6. Ponikorovski (he never really produces, he started that losing-streak starting in Carolina and didn't put in any extra effort in the next games to make up for it)

*. Sundin should waive his no trade to go to a team to win a cup. He doesn't owe the team anything. JFJ never provided enough help around him.

justin

01-22-2008, 09:44 PM

Thank you very much Captain Obvious.

:chuckle

Cardinal Fang

01-23-2008, 09:16 AM

Now I know why the NHL won't give Hamilton a hockey team. Because then Toronto will want one too.

S.F.W.

01-23-2008, 09:31 AM

Now I know why the NHL won't give Hamilton a hockey team. Because then Toronto will want one too.
great line!

REZXPERT

01-23-2008, 10:31 AM

#1: attempt to restore Pride.

Toskala/Clemmenson, leave Poggue #1 Marlies. burn Raycrap. burn. Woznobodyski, burn.
D-Men: trade Kaberle, force McCabe to waive no trade... send him to NYI (he wouldn't go anywhere else) for picks, cut Gill, Kubina.
forwards: trade Blake, Tucker, Antropov, Stajan, Sundin. play with a 3rd and 4th line for the remainder of the season. enter Stamkos sweepstakes. tank next year. enter Tavares sweepstakes year after.

Wild Weasel

01-23-2008, 10:46 AM

I hate to say it... but I agree. All hope is lost for this season as even if they made the playoffs, they wouldn't have a chance in hell of competing for the cup.

That said... it would be nice to get some higher draft picks.

I know the players would never lose on purpose for this... but is there any incentive to keep the new GM from wrecking the team with this purpose in mind?

1flycdnM3

01-23-2008, 10:54 AM

did anyone even watch his press conference?!?!

Fletcher is NOT going to do anything! The ONLY real tasks he has are "rebouilding the team" which wont happen until next year's draft and "changing Mats' mind" as Fletcher already mentioned "he is the driving force behind the team and it is ultimately his decision" so... Mats wants to stay.... He has said that many times... if Fletcher doesn't change his mind, then that is that...

nothing else is going to happen!

Best possible thing that Fletcher could do is find the right replacement GM and/or change Sundin's mind... both are going to be very difficult...

I do think he will make some excellent draft choices however, but not sure this will be the ideal draft year as alot of Team Canada won't be available for another 2-3 years...

Wild Weasel

01-23-2008, 11:05 AM

I don't think it's in the GM's best interest to move Mats at all! He's the best player on the team and they've got him at a discount right now.

The only reason to move him is to do HIM a favour, and I think he deserves it.

Flagrum_3

01-23-2008, 11:09 AM

I say 'Forget about it' the Maple Laughs will never have a Stanley Cup winning team, aslong as idiots keep filling the seats,...they (the owners) just don't care!!

I used to be a leaf fan, but not for a long time. I'm one of the few on this board old enough and lucky enough to have seen them win the Cup....actually have a couple of autographs too.:chuckle, but its been way too long.:complain

_3

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REZXPERT

01-23-2008, 12:59 PM

Caz

01-23-2008, 04:00 PM

+1 Flagrum. MLSE is a profit-making machine, Teacher's Pension is laughing, Leafs fans continue to pay ridiculous prices to watch inferior quality hockey at the ACC, Leafs TV, theatres (?!)... and let's not forget merchandise. MONEY & PRIDE are like oil & water.

If the Leafs were to win the Cup they would make a boat load of money. 12-16 more home games, Merchandise sales would go crazy, corporate sponsorships would bring in more money, ticket pricing would go upthe following year, TV deals would go way up, advertising dollars brought in, the list goes on and on.

Trust me they want to win the cup, they just don't have the people in place to make it happen.

Broli

01-23-2008, 04:14 PM

Unoriginalusername

01-23-2008, 04:20 PM

Go Habs!!!

haha

ok, in response to caz, they may briefly make a spike in money, but they make so much already it is almost irrelevant.

and if you win you set yourself up for losing money in the long run, if you give the fans a good product and then take it away you may lose some fan base, if they stick with things as is . .. well they will continue to make loads of money with little risk.

MLSPE is a business, the only reason those fat arse business folk have done anything is because the bottom line was starting to see an impact from the clubs poor performance and ferguson had an easy x on his back.

Firing him not only makes sense, but will help to appease the fan base who's support has been put to the test after yet another year of dismal performance.

Until they get someone who understands the culture of a hockey team rather then the P&L statment for a business calling the shots we're doomed for many more years of struggling to get into the playoffs let alone be competitive