Opposite: Police officers that shouldn't get any respect

[crazycanuck]

http://break.com/index/driver-gets-tazed-for-being-slow1.html

I can understand if the the guy might have seemed like a threat to the officer, but this is just ridiculous.

[ZeroChalk]

I see nothing wrong with what the officier did. The guy was a prick... he's acting all nonchalent about everything. If he didn't argue at everything the officier asked then perhaps he wouldn't have gotten shocked.

[crazycanuck]

dude, I got pulled over once and it took me over 5 minutes to find everything. The officer was very nice and calm about it, and didn't rush me in any way. Maybe he over reacted because he told the officer to calm down, but in no way did he deserve a tasering.

[b]

I see everything wrong with it. It was 40 seconds from the time they started talking to the time he shocked him.

Here is another winner:

http://www.break.com/index/dude-tazered-for-not-signing-ticket.html

[ZeroChalk]

the guy stepped out of the vehicle and pretty much ignored him when he was told to turn around and put his hand on the car. If you don't give the officer the *feeling* of control in the situation then your asking for it.

It's hard to judge IMO. All we know is that the car is...

- slightly speeding
- missing license plate on the rear
- driven by a visible minority
- there are 2 occupants

If I was an officer, I would probably wondering... is the car stolen? Is there fire arms or drugs? and why the fark this dude won't listen and stop arguing.

There is just so much uncertainty in the situation to say that it was excessive force. We don't have the training, the background, or even the knowledge of the types of crimes commited in the area.

[crazycanuck]

I do agree in a sense that, no we don't have the training to judge. But growing up, I've always watched Cops. A time before the taser, and a lot of more violent guys who were subdued using regular brute force.

The taser was brought in to quickly subdue someone with least amount of danger to the officer. But come on, that video is ridiculous.

He was doing 5 miles over, I was caught doing 60km over and the officer was nice enough to drop it to 40 over.


the guy stepped out of the vehicle and pretty much ignored him when he was told to turn around and put his hand on the car. If you don't give the officer the *feeling* of control in the situation then your asking for it.

It's hard to judge IMO. All we know is that the car is...

- slightly speeding
- missing license plate on the rear
- driven by a visible minority
- there are 2 occupants

If I was an officer, I would probably wondering... is the car stolen? Is there fire arms or drugs? and why the fark this dude won't listen and stop arguing.

There is just so much uncertainty in the situation to say that it was excessive force. We don't have the training, the background, or even the knowledge of the types of crimes commited in the area.

[ZeroChalk]

i dunno about you.. but i wouldn't want to get into a pushing match with someone just as big with cars flying at 100km/h+ just a few feet from you. There is also someone else in the car too! I'd do my best to quickly gain control of the situtation before it could potentially escalate in to something more violent.

If you listen to the officer, respond respectfully and politely, then you should be treated the same. Your time to argue /confront the cop is not there... but in court.

[ZeroChalk]

He was doing 5 miles over, I was caught doing 60km over and the officer was nice enough to drop it to 40 over.

yah but are you on the highway out of your vehicle and pretty much confronting the cop? did you have no license plate in the rear? the cop couldn't run the license plate so he has no clue who he is pulling over.

[SP33D 3]

the 2nd passenger sounds like a women... but clearly when you said driven by a visible minority that proves racial profiling which is unethical for a cop to do, so he took action by tasering an innocent person, the cop had NO right to be so rude from the beginning ESPECIALLY with the fact that he doesn't know who's behind the wheel... you act tough with someone who thinks they're tough then shit will escalade like it did, if the cop remained calm from the beginning i'm sure the driver would have been calm too

the second video is even more messed

[cwp_sedan]

I see everything wrong with it. It was 40 seconds from the time they started talking to the time he shocked him.

Here is another winner:

http://www.break.com/index/dude-tazered-for-not-signing-ticket.html

I saw this a while ago on another forum and there was a lot of discussion about it. Police officers definitely use the taser more in situations that could have been avoided.

http://highwaypatrol.utah.gov/
Here is an update (sorta) regarding that incident. They are looking into it and the cop is in deep shit to say the least.

EDIT:
Looks like the guy is clear for now...
http://origin.sltrib.com/news/ci_7592075

[ZeroChalk]

the 2nd passenger sounds like a women... but clearly when you said driven by a visible minority that proves racial profiling which is unethical for a cop to do, so he took action by tasering an innocent person, the cop had NO right to be so rude from the beginning ESPECIALLY with the fact that he doesn't know who's behind the wheel... you act tough with someone who thinks they're tough then shit will escalade like it did, if the cop remained calm from the beginning i'm sure the driver would have been calm too

the second video is even more messed

This doesn't prove racial profiling.. the car was missing it's rear license plate, that's the reason why it was pulled over. Isn't that illegal in the states?

Are you also saying that just because the second occupant is a women we can discount her? We don't know if she might go hysterical and perhaps pull out a gun?

I dunno, about you... hate it or not... racial stereotypes / profiling is just a fact of life. Not saying this is applicable to this scenario.. but if you dress / talk like a *gangster* don't be surprised if people might treat you like one.

Like I said... don't try to undermine the cops authority.., ie taking your time or blowing him off... otherwise you have on one else to blame but yourself.

[tweak_s]

Thats messed up. Cooperative or not, there was NO reason to taser him. He was MOVING there, albeit a bit slow. To backtrack, the cop sounded like an impatient prick. If the guy was yelling at him from the beginning, sure, but I only saw the guy start showing some opposition after the cop started yelling for no reason.

[crazycanuck]

No one is arguing with this fact, the driver was indeed a little disrespectful of authority. The argument here is whether or not he deserved a tasering. Keep in mind he wasn't ready any rights at all, and just left on the ground after he got tasered.

He could've been subdued without using the taser, the cop was a much bigger guy.


This doesn't prove racial profiling.. the car was missing it's rear license plate, that's the reason why it was pulled over. Isn't that illegal in the states?

Are you also saying that just because the second occupant is a women we can discount her? We don't know if she might go hysterical and perhaps pull out a gun?

I dunno, about you... hate it or not... racial stereotypes / profiling is just a fact of life. Not saying this is applicable to this scenario.. but if you dress / talk like a *gangster* don't be surprised if people might treat you like one.

Like I said... don't try to undermine the cops authority.., ie taking your time or blowing him off... otherwise you have on one else to blame but yourself.

[RedRaptor]

This guy deserved it. He was about to make a scene. He's getting all Chris Rock on the cop.

[ZeroChalk]

The argument here is whether or not he deserved a tasering. Keep in mind he wasn't ready any rights at all, and just left on the ground after he got tasered.

He could've been subdued without using the taser, the cop was a much bigger guy.

Well his instructions were.. stay on the ground.. as he waited for backup. Cops are taught to speak in a forceful voice.. they're not suppose to be your best friend... "I'm sorry to bother you, but did you know your missing your license plate?" "Could you please give me your drivers license?" "I'll just wait here... while you decide whether or not to give it to me."

You can't compare cops in TO to those in Texas.. two different environments. Anyhow, still stand by he deserved it... and you stand by yours.

[WLS ZMZM]

A few things to consider, we are not there with the officer, so we don't fully know the situation. Officers are taught to do their best to maintain control in a situation, as for subdueing the perp (hahah i love that word) they are on a highway last thing the officer needs is fo either of them to be hit by a car. As for the racial profiling, that has nothing to do with it, he was pulled over cuz they thought he was impaired and cuz the car had no plates, no matter what the race of the person was they would have reacted the same way. Bottom line, he's an officer and you have to respect them. An officer is told to do what is necessary to maintain control in a situation where there is an unknown.

I once got stopped in my old minivan, and for those who know the glove box in those vans is under the passenger seat.... so as the officer was approaching the van I leaned over to get the insurance slip not thinking about it I was only 17. As I come up Im being screamed at to put my hands on the steering wheel and I've got two officers guns drawn pointed at me one on the driver side and one on the passenger side. Both of them screaming. They pulled me out of the car and cuffed me, because they thought I was either hiding something or going for something, after explaining they apologized and all was good

[3Remix]

^^^ LOL
thats hilarious
good ol cops, we hate em but we need em

as for whether he deserved it or not, some people actually DIE from tasering