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matt9
03-21-2008, 12:48 PM
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/compact-car
Thoughts?
RallyPlaya
03-21-2008, 01:21 PM
Theres No way a civic or corrollo is better than a mazda 3 ..... when it comes to these ratings i always believe they are biased... Honda and Toyota prbly payed those guys off or gave them a vacation. Mazda 3 is the best compact Car in the market period.... i was reading Canadian driver mag and a Kia won the best compact car... thats ridiculous I Personally would never buy or be seen driving a kia
nicker
03-21-2008, 01:26 PM
I agree, no way that the 3 is that LOW. And I agree generally those surveys are BIASED!
mleblond
03-21-2008, 01:27 PM
lol when a Hyundai is better than a mazda... there's something wrong there
isnt the Mazda3 the best selling small car?
PKock
03-21-2008, 01:59 PM
actually it was the second best in canada last year. it lost to the civic by only a couple hundred cars i believe
PK
x_o_k_x
03-21-2008, 02:11 PM
I dont believe this chart. I could understand that honda is better.. but not something like dodge or cavalier. They dont last more then 5 years these cars. How is car like mazda3 2nd best selling car, dont have much dependability?? this chart is wrong!
Thunder 3
03-21-2008, 03:01 PM
To be honest, I never have agreed with their dependability studies. It's more accurate to look at long term studies like those done by Consumer Reports.
matt9
03-21-2008, 04:18 PM
It doesn't really matter if Mazda 3 is a top selling car or has lots of features/price, it's not really what is being looked at here.. I believe they just look at the data for the number of repairs/problems reported etc.
Well JD Power ranks the dependability not sales. Our cars have had some problems as well as some recals. I still love the 3 but I somewhat agree with the findings. Don't bash hyundai. Everyone bashing them in the past has led to a great commitment from them to build better cars. That is trully showing now, especially at their price point.
^^^ i will agree with you at this point. this is my last mazda for sure if they dont have any more major improvements.
Soyabean
03-22-2008, 02:30 AM
Theres No way a civic or corrollo is better than a mazda 3 ..... when it comes to these ratings i always believe they are biased... Honda and Toyota prbly payed those guys off or gave them a vacation. Mazda 3 is the best compact Car in the market period.... i was reading Canadian driver mag and a Kia won the best compact car... thats ridiculous I Personally would never buy or be seen driving a kia
Well some of our answers can biased too seeing that we own a mz3...:pop
Well JD Power ranks the dependability not sales. Our cars have had some problems as well as some recals. I still love the 3 but I somewhat agree with the findings. Don't bash hyundai. Everyone bashing them in the past has led to a great commitment from them to build better cars. That is trully showing now, especially at their price point.
+1
Hyundai has stepped it up, I would not have looked at one in the past, and prob not anytime soon, but if they keep making improvements, who knows.
mogul_pro
03-22-2008, 09:04 AM
I agree with those results on the mazda3... I like the car for what it is and the price I paid though..
matt9
03-22-2008, 11:30 AM
So the general consensus is that we agree that the Mazda 3 is like the 2nd or third worse dependable car in the compact car segment :P
RallyPlaya
03-22-2008, 12:11 PM
I Thinks the mazda 3 is the best & So do most who are on the forum that consensus is biased just like many others i would have never bought any other car in the compact car segment.... Mazda 3 is the best looking car in the segment as well.... & ur rite the reason mazda 3 is sooo low is because of all the recalls they got which makes sense.... none of the recalls affect me so im still happy
mazda lover
03-22-2008, 12:58 PM
Well JD Power ranks the dependability not sales. Our cars have had some problems as well as some recals. I still love the 3 but I somewhat agree with the findings. Don't bash hyundai. Everyone bashing them in the past has led to a great commitment from them to build better cars. That is trully showing now, especially at their price point.
+1 starting to look at a new car, I don't think the 3 in the long run will be dependable..my last Mazda...the car is all about styling and performance which doesn't mean it will be dependable
Malcolm991
03-22-2008, 01:02 PM
WHAT, a neon is rated better
mazda lover
03-22-2008, 01:23 PM
More ratings Mazda6
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category/midsize-car
By Brand
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/quality-ratings-by-brand
By performance and design
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/performance-and-design-ratings-by-brand
2004- ratings
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/Mazda/MAZDA3/2004/Sedan/
2005 ratings
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/Mazda/MAZDA3/2005/Sedan/
2006 ratings
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/Mazda/MAZDA3/2006/Sedan/
2007 ratings
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/Mazda/MAZDA3/2007/Sedan/
the ratings for the 06 and 07 are low while the 04-05 are a little bit better.
I would have thought the car would be getting better.
matt9
03-22-2008, 01:40 PM
I Thinks the mazda 3 is the best & So do most who are on the forum that consensus is biased just like many others i would have never bought any other car in the compact car segment.... Mazda 3 is the best looking car in the segment as well.... & ur rite the reason mazda 3 is sooo low is because of all the recalls they got which makes sense.... none of the recalls affect me so im still happy
I am not sure how you can say Mazda 3 is the BEST in the compact segment. Regardless of personal biases and beliefs, companies like Honda and Toyota constantly output amazingly dependable cars. I choose Mazda because of styling and features, not because I THINK Mazda is the most dependable car. Clearly, it is not. I have a 2007 sedan and have had a number of problems already which I don't FEEL would exist on a brand new corolla or civic.
mogul_pro
03-22-2008, 02:34 PM
I had to get a completely new tranny after 20,000km of use.... Put 200,000km on my integra type-r with "spirited" driving.. zero problems besides normal wear and tear. Definately says something...
Fuman
03-22-2008, 02:53 PM
I am not sure how you can say Mazda 3 is the BEST in the compact segment. Regardless of personal biases and beliefs, companies like Honda and Toyota constantly output amazingly dependable cars.
agreed. I've problems which my friend never had on his 1st year Civic.
Not to mention he doesn't really take care of his car.
That aside. I do think the score for the Mazda 3 is a bit low.
RallyPlaya
03-22-2008, 04:56 PM
I Drive My Car With power and aggressiveness had it from 5km to over 20,000 now and not a single problem except one slight one due to wrong installation to an after market part (Fujita F5 CAI). Ive had no big problems and dont see having any in the future. Im 100% happy and ive driven an 07 Civic which i though was IMO not up to par with the 3's handling.& Yes a civic and Corolla may have less problems but they're not as enjoyable to drive and stylewise IMO not even close to the 3. I dont feel as my car is not reliable. If You don't believe your car isn't dependable then you shouldn't be driving it.
kaval
03-23-2008, 04:17 AM
I Drive My Car With power and aggressiveness had it from 5km to over 20,000 now and not a single problem except one slight one due to wrong installation to an after market part (Fujita F5 CAI). Ive had no big problems and dont see having any in the future. Im 100% happy and ive driven an 07 Civic which i though was IMO not up to par with the 3's handling.& Yes a civic and Corolla may have less problems but they're not as enjoyable to drive and stylewise IMO not even close to the 3. I dont feel as my car is not reliable. If You don't believe your car isn't dependable then you shouldn't be driving it.
You're right, but the fact that you said yourself that if you don't think your car is dependable you shouldn't be driving it implies your lack of objectivity in this subject. I'm not taking a stab at you by the way so please don't take any offense.
Coming from someone who is in the market for a vehicle, and having searched these boards and others, currently Mazda3s have more issues than other cars, like Toyotas and Hondas in the same category. You also have to consider the fact that Mazda is really going through a learning curve with their vehicles since they have taken such huge and remarkable steps in innovating their products to keep up with competition while trying to set a standard. For companies like Honda and Toyota, they've been in the game for a while and go through less of a pronounced learning curve and can therefore leverage their success to do better on surveys. Even with these people who do the surveys, subconsciously already set a benchmark against cars that are reputable. They ARE human after all.
I personally see huge success for companies like Mazda, Kia and Hyundai in the future while other companies like Toyota and Honda will still be successful, but experience slight drops in sales as people switch to the other brands. You can already see it happening. Even from personal experience, I recommended a buddy of mine who was in the market for a new car to check out the Mazda3 before buying a new Civic. He called me up a week later and said he got a Mazda3. That in itself speaks volumes for what could happen.
Fuman
03-23-2008, 12:35 PM
You're right, but the fact that you said yourself that if you don't think your car is dependable you shouldn't be driving it implies your lack of objectivity in this subject. I'm not taking a stab at you by the way so please don't take any offense.
Unless I missed something, I don't think Rally said that. It probably someone else.
And "If You don't believe your car isn't dependable then you shouldn't be driving it.",
doesn't mean we don't think its dependable. It is just not as dependable.
I've little issues most of the time. That reminds me gotta book an appointment at MOT.
mazda lover
03-23-2008, 01:22 PM
You're right, but the fact that you said yourself that if you don't think your car is dependable you shouldn't be driving it implies your lack of objectivity in this subject. I'm not taking a stab at you by the way so please don't take any offense.
Coming from someone who is in the market for a vehicle, and having searched these boards and others, currently Mazda3s have more issues than other cars, like Toyotas and Hondas in the same category. You also have to consider the fact that Mazda is really going through a learning curve with their vehicles since they have taken such huge and remarkable steps in innovating their products to keep up with competition while trying to set a standard. For companies like Honda and Toyota, they've been in the game for a while and go through less of a pronounced learning curve and can therefore leverage their success to do better on surveys. Even with these people who do the surveys, subconsciously already set a benchmark against cars that are reputable. They ARE human after all.
I personally see huge success for companies like Mazda, Kia and Hyundai in the future while other companies like Toyota and Honda will still be successful, but experience slight drops in sales as people switch to the other brands. You can already see it happening. Even from personal experience, I recommended a buddy of mine who was in the market for a new car to check out the Mazda3 before buying a new Civic. He called me up a week later and said he got a Mazda3. That in itself speaks volumes for what could happen.
your buddy bought the 3 because of style and performance not reliabilty I think over the Honda. It would be interesting why he bought the 3. Just because Mazda sold a lot of units doesn't mean its a reliable car, thats what JD Power looks at not units sold. performance, style etc. Should we wait to see what Could happen. Every time I see a post about a problem members are having with their cars freaks me out. Another issue I have to look forward to. I have to stop reading posts here and other Mazda3 forums
kaval
03-23-2008, 04:23 PM
Unless I missed something, I don't think Rally said that. It probably someone else.
And "If You don't believe your car isn't dependable then you shouldn't be driving it.",
doesn't mean we don't think its dependable. It is just not as dependable.
I've little issues most of the time. That reminds me gotta book an appointment at MOT.
I quoted directly from his post.
Personally I think your car is either dependable or its not, independent of other cars. There can't be degrees of dependability cuz it just introduces more subjectivity to the matter and then we're left saying "my car is usually dependable." What is it to be 'dependable' when it comes to a car?
your buddy bought the 3 because of style and performance not reliabilty I think over the Honda. It would be interesting why he bought the 3. Just because Mazda sold a lot of units doesn't mean its a reliable car, thats what JD Power looks at not units sold. performance, style etc. Should we wait to see what Could happen. Every time I see a post about a problem members are having with their cars freaks me out. Another issue I have to look forward to. I have to stop reading posts here and other Mazda3 forums
He bought the 3 because of the ratings, and value (price not so much because both cars were in his price range). After analyzing both cars, the Mazda also had more to offer in terms of features for less. If the Mazda3 didn't present itself as a reliable and well-built car, he wouldn't have bought it...he would have just went for the Civic despite getting a few less features.
Even the Civic has problems, one of which is so serious that a tire could dismount from the hub while driving.
Fuman
03-23-2008, 06:55 PM
I quoted directly from his post.
Personally I think your car is either dependable or its not, independent of other cars. There can't be degrees of dependability cuz it just introduces more subjectivity to the matter and then we're left saying "my car is usually dependable." What is it to be 'dependable' when it comes to a car?
I mis-read what you said before. Gotta stop doing that its gonna get me in trouble if this keeps up, lol.
I thought u meant, "you said your car wasn't dependable" (or something of the sort).
my bad man.
kaval
03-23-2008, 09:21 PM
I mis-read what you said before. Gotta stop doing that its gonna get me in trouble if this keeps up, lol.
I thought u meant, "you said your car wasn't dependable" (or something of the sort).
my bad man.
LOL! no worries no worries
I've been doing that lately as well.
Let me clarify, my earlier point, as upon re-reading it I kinda sound like I'm bashing Mazda...
...I believe that Mazda is one of the best cars for price in every segment. What you get for what you pay is incredible. Cars dependibility comes and goes. Even the best can have some lemons. Since I've owned my car I haven't had a single issue *knocks on wood* but the previous owner had a few items replaced. It all depends on how you drive and how you take care of your car. If you know your car well you will catch any problems early. The fact that Mazda ranks a little lower isn't a bad think overall, its just bad in comparison. These days cars in general are incredibly dependable.
mazda lover
03-24-2008, 10:05 PM
Let me clarify, my earlier point, as upon re-reading it I kinda sound like I'm bashing Mazda...
...I believe that Mazda is one of the best cars for price in every segment. What you get for what you pay is incredible. Cars dependibility comes and goes. Even the best can have some lemons. Since I've owned my car I haven't had a single issue *knocks on wood* but the previous owner had a few items replaced. It all depends on how you drive and how you take care of your car. If you know your car well you will catch any problems early. The fact that Mazda ranks a little lower isn't a bad think overall, its just bad in comparison. These days cars in general are incredibly dependable.
so how do you take care of your car so it won't be a lemon
driving it hard could cause premature problem ...I agree
isnt the Mazda3 the best selling small car?
just because it is the best selling small car doesn't mean its reliable
Theres No way a civic or corrollo is better than a mazda 3 ..... when it comes to these ratings i always believe they are biased... Honda and Toyota prbly payed those guys off or gave them a vacation. Mazda 3 is the best compact Car in the market period.... i was reading Canadian driver mag and a Kia won the best compact car... thats ridiculous I Personally would never buy or be seen driving a kia
have you read the thread "Problems with the Mazda 3"
so how do you take care of your car so it won't be a lemon
driving it hard could cause premature problem ...I agree
Well simple things like early oil changes. Paying attention to sounds. Every time I wash the car I inspect every inch (and usually find another scratch or dent). I listen for new sounds like squeeking or something I haven't heard before and then I locate it. When I get a fluid change (tranny or engine oil) I always check the fluid myself afterward. Little things. Its not preventitive but it will help me catch a problem early.
Don't get my wrong, i LOVE my car. SO far, no problems. However... 30,000km, and its starting to rattle and sqeak around corners and bumps. The car isn't as "beefy" as cars i've driven in the past, However, I have't driven a "compact" in the past either. Things like Hinges, Suspension Links, Plastic clips (trim and engine), etc... just don't seem as Solid. They're well built, but not as solid as i'd like to see. Coming from a car that isn't all that light weight, I'd have thought we'd see a bit more meat on things that eventually wear out.
On the other side: When i lifted it up and got a good luck underneath, I was really impressed with the amount of rust proofing measures taken into effect from the factory! IMO... The car is a car well built... But I plan on trading it up before it hits 150,000KM, because i really don't want to be around when the parts that aren't "beefy" (but are well engineered) wear out.
My $0.02
Then again... What do you want for 20K? Pay the same for a 'rolla and you get... A/C? lol.
thanu31
04-04-2008, 01:05 AM
...ahh..u guys are scaring me with this...im waiting to get my used 2005 mazda 3....now i have other thoughts in my head :S
TheProfessor
04-04-2008, 08:23 AM
...ahh..u guys are scaring me with this...im waiting to get my used 2005 mazda 3....now i have other thoughts in my head :S
I wouldn't worry too much, the Mazda3 is a great car. While I agree that it may not be up to the same build quality as the Civic and Corolla, it more than makes up for it in style and fun to drive factor.
Yea no worries, there are plenty of people with tons of KM. I've got an 04' with almost 80G on the clock and she's running fine with no major issues. So I'm happy, you will be to.
thanu31
04-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Ok, but my used one is gonna have atleast 85000 Km, and when i was deciding on a car to get, it was Jetta or Mazda3, tell me Jetta is less reliable than mazda3 lol, cuz i like that car, but i wanted a more reliable car, Mazda3.
No issue there. VW aren't all that reliable. 85,000 there are many three's that have gone much farther without issue. You excercise dilegence when shopping for a car, if picked yourself one that is well kept, well documented and has a good history you'll have a good car.
WLS ZMZM
04-04-2008, 12:46 PM
I think Kaval brought up a very valid point... Mazda right now is in part of a learning curve, while they are a little bit behind the others (honda & toyota) they are showing that there cars can compete. I agree that the 3 really is all about the fun (ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM *sorry my bad*) and the styling of the car. I have to say honda has been known for their dependability same with toyota hence why their cars are so much more money. However... Honda has always had an issue with their bodies
I bought my 3 used with confidence hearing from a few buddies who love the car, I took out civics and corolla's and didnt find the cars had the same fun factor! This coming from a honda fan since I was 13 and coming from someone who has only tuned honda's in the past. I love my civic and still have the car... but everytime I get into it I find myself disappointed because its not quite the cockpit the 3 has :chuckle
WLS ZMZM
04-04-2008, 12:47 PM
Ok, but my used one is gonna have atleast 85000 Km, and when i was deciding on a car to get, it was Jetta or Mazda3, tell me Jetta is less reliable than mazda3 lol, cuz i like that car, but i wanted a more reliable car, Mazda3.
hehe no worries there VW = VERY WRONG!! VW's have issues out the wazoo.. and repairs on them are very expensive!
x_o_k_x
04-04-2008, 04:48 PM
Someone told me that GM car were the most reliable, untill they introduced new Hondas in early 90s and they basically switched spots, making Honda #1. And yeah i was thinking to get New civic or mazda3, decided to get mazda since people tell me it looks like bmw lol jk civic is nice car but overrated and way to popular, and mazda is redesigned and looks wayyy more sexier
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