Mazda upgrade high pressure fuel pump? TSB for MS3/MS6

[yellowmp5]

is this legit? too good to be true?
any inputs?



APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2007-2008 Mazdaspeed3 vehicles with VINs lower than JM1BK**** ** 859606 (produced before November
2007)
2006-2007 Mazdaspeed6 vehicles
2007-2008 CX-7 vehicles with VINs lower than JM3ER**** ** 196510 (produced before November 19, 2007)


DESCRIPTION
Due to low fuel pressure at the high-pressure fuel pump, some vehicles may experience the following:
• Rough idle, stall, and/or hesitation under cold conditions.
• Intermittent lack of power during acceleration when the engine gets hot.
• MIL turns on with DTC P2177/P2187 (fuel system too lean at off idle).


TSB: ROUGH IDLE, LACK OF POWER, AND/OR MIL ON WITH DTC P2177/P2187 (FUEL
SYSTEM LEAN) (http://www.o-m-g-w-t-f.com/stuff/Mazdaspeed6/01-022-08-1919b%5B1%5D.pdf)

[WhiteSpeed3]

not sure but i got those codes before

[Fobio]

If someone from a reputable dealer will speak on this, I will take my car to them.

[brecker]

Very interesting..

Anyone recieve this? Where did you find this?

[Garu]

Even if it exists, this is a TSB not a recall. Unless you have one of those symptoms I don't think they will fix it.

[Unoriginalusername]

interesting

[Fobio]

Waiting for someone to go to a dealer and say "yeah...it was lean on the dyno after I installed the AP and it's running a little lean with a rough idle...eat this TSB!"

Seriously tho...anyone have these symptoms? Can you describe?

[RX9]

my car runs too rich, i want leaner a little bit.

[REZXPERT]

Waiting for someone to go to a dealer and say "yeah...it was lean on the dyno after I installed the AP and it's running a little lean with a rough idle...eat this TSB!"

Seriously tho...anyone have these symptoms? Can you describe?

i guess you saw my dyno. that reminds me, my car runs like shit. callin up Whitby Mazda today.

[brecker]

i guess you saw my dyno. that reminds me, my car runs like shit. callin up Whitby Mazda today.

Keep us "posted"

[Unoriginalusername]

I got an answer, nothing for mazda canada yet... BUT the reflash was the same, about three weeks behind the US recall FYI

[SP33D 3]

wasn't the recall the replacement of the purge valve? or was it just a reflash?

[boogie]

interesting...i wouldn't mind getting a new hpfp. I wonder how hard it would be to fake the symptoms listed...LOL

[Unoriginalusername]

interesting...i wouldn't mind getting a new hpfp. I wonder how hard it would be to fake the symptoms listed...LOL

i don't need to fake them lol

[boogie]

Any updates on this for Canada?

[brecker]

No. Canada seems to be 4-6 weeks behind the US when releasing these.


Stay tuned...

[Garu]

Don't get too excited about them either. This is TSB not a recall, unless the dealer can duplicate the problem as stated, they will not perform any work on your car.
The best bet is if your car throws the CEL code as indicated, they will for sure perform the work.

[Unoriginalusername]

i am getting fuel cuts for some reason, seems to be the cobb sri since i didn't have any last year with the ms cai

[kid_icarus]

i wonder if my relatively slow launches is a result of this
sometimes off a full stop i feel it takes the car quite a while to get going.. it's not usually until i get to third and really punch it am i able to really get the thing going.
maybe it's just my bad driving...

[Unoriginalusername]

i wonder if my relatively slow launches is a result of this
sometimes off a full stop i feel it takes the car quite a while to get going.. it's not usually until i get to third and really punch it am i able to really get the thing going.
maybe it's just my bad driving...

i only get it on the hwy in 5th/6th gear if i accel a bit

[Pilzz]

i only get it on the hwy in 5th/6th gear if i accel a bit

I do as well, and I have an MS CAI. I think it is the ecu and not the pump. waiting for the AP and hopefully it fixes that problem.

[royroy]

i get hesitation when the car is running cold.. n i still have it..
for some reason.. the dealer reflashed my ecu.. n the car seems to run a lil better/ smoother n the exhaust is softer.. but then after 2 days.. the car just get louder.. n hesitate more..

[Unoriginalusername]

I do as well, and I have an MS CAI. I think it is the ecu and not the pump. waiting for the AP and hopefully it fixes that problem.

i didn't really drive it much after that reflash before parking it, is it the reflash that is causing it?

[alhope34]

Maybe I'm just really lucky, but I've never had boost/fuel cut and my car never seems to hesitate. When the car is cold, I never get it above 2500 rpm anyway. I'd be more worried of hurting the engine rather than hesitation before it is up to proper operating temperatures.

[kid_icarus]

Maybe I'm just really lucky, but I've never had boost/fuel cut and my car never seems to hesitate. When the car is cold, I never get it above 2500 rpm anyway. I'd be more worried of hurting the engine rather than hesitation before it is up to proper operating temperatures.

urs is way past the date of the problem vehicles anyways isin't it?

[alhope34]

No, my 08 was made in July of 07. I just checked my ownership and my VIN falls under what the OP said. I got my car in October, so I knew it was produced before November, haha.

[kid_icarus]

No, my 08 was made in July of 07. I just checked my ownership and my VIN falls under what the OP said. I got my car in October, so I knew it was produced before November, haha.

lol dang i thought most of the 08's would've been okay

[oneurt]

My 08 is fine and it was a September 07 build. We picked up in up November of last year. But like most of the replies have said, its only a TSB and not a recall. So if the car isn't making any of those signs I wouldn't really worry too much about it. Mine you my car only has 4000 miles on it, so it might do it later on.

[mousaillon]

you see i did got those symptome when im in 6 gear and the deale in canada said everything is okay with the car because it doesnt do it all the time

[mousaillon]

from what im reading on the us forum mazda3forum.com

their will be a reflash on our ecu and then if the probleme stil goes on then changeing the pump will fix it but nothing is yet hire in the canadien dealer for a reflash right

[boogie]

I'm gonna bump this back up due to certain members of this forum having issues w/ the stock fuel pump.

Has this TSB been made official in Canada yet? I know a couple members mentioning getting the PCM flash, but I'm wondering if that was in fact the same as the TSB in the US?

[streetwerks]

yes the tsb is in canada as of now. i have performed it on a few cars including my own. slight noticeable changes. mazda is very sticky with what can be performed. so unfortunatly most of them will get just the reflash but if there is something wrong with the pump we will take care of it

[yellowmp5]

yes the tsb is in canada as of now. i have performed it on a few cars including my own. slight noticeable changes. mazda is very sticky with what can be performed. so unfortunatly most of them will get just the reflash but if there is something wrong with the pump we will take care of it

good to hear that, but is there any pdf or letters?

[brecker]

yes the tsb is in canada as of now. i have performed it on a few cars including my own. slight noticeable changes. mazda is very sticky with what can be performed. so unfortunatly most of them will get just the reflash but if there is something wrong with the pump we will take care of it

Sorry - Are you a dealer? If so, which one?

[Fobio]

Sorry - Are you a dealer? If so, which one?

+1...and hopefully you're somewhere in GTA!

[streetwerks]

i am at the ajax dealership

[brecker]

i am at the ajax dealership


Can you help me get past some of the red tape to get this flash??

My "local" dealer is running me around BIG time!! :flaming

[mleblond]

yeah my dealer wants nothing to hear about this lol
i asked him for it and he keeps telling no..old man getting on my nerves!

[Fobio]

Can you help me get past some of the red tape to get this flash??

My "local" dealer is running me around BIG time!! :flaming

sigh...wouldn't it be nice if he can just post the file up on here and we upload it with the AP...

PM sent.

[WhiteSpeed3]

yeah my dealer wants nothing to hear about this lol
i asked him for it and he keeps telling no..old man getting on my nerves!

same thing with my dealership they said nothing is out for anything like this and if i dont have a prob with my car then they wont do anything or send me any notification

[boogie]

My "local" dealer is running me around BIG time!! :flaming


yeah my dealer wants nothing to hear about this lol
i asked him for it and he keeps telling no..old man getting on my nerves!

What are your dealers saying when you ask them about the TSB? Are you explaining to them you're having issues, or are you just asking to have the flash done?

[streetwerks]

if you just walk in to a dealership and demand the reflash and with no concerns they will just laugh. you need to go in there and state a concern you have with the vehicle and hopefully they will rectify it. unfortunatly it seems that since i have been with mazda (10 years) alot of people(techs) just dont give a **** about anyone else and their car anymore. its just a job not a passion.

[Unoriginalusername]

i don't believe this FP is in Canada yet, one newb member who works at a dealership doesn't have me sold

[streetwerks]

well lets see
10 years mazda exp.
8 years master tech
tech supervisor at one of the largest dealers in t.o
plus i have had the pump and flash on my car for week and a half.
i am the one complaining about alot of the othe techs out there not giving a shit about these cars. im just trying to help

[Unoriginalusername]

well lets see
10 years mazda exp.
8 years master tech
tech supervisor at one of the largest dealers in t.o
plus i have had the pump and flash on my car for week and a half.
i am the one complaining about alot of the othe techs out there not giving a shit about these cars. im just trying to help

can you post a copy of your service reciept showing the pump and part number like people in the US have recieved?

[FLIPDADY]

I'm sure Mazda is getting ready to release a TSB on this issue.

[RX9]

can you post a copy of your service reciept showing the pump and part number like people in the US have recieved?

he has all those stuff done. if i didnt remember wrong, there are two relay for the fule system in his speed as well. so far, i will only let him touch my car for the major parts.:)

[Unoriginalusername]

I'm sure Mazda is getting ready to release a TSB on this issue.

That i don't doubt, but according to this post it's out now and on his car so i just asked to see the paperwork like people in the US posted up... shouldn't be hard if it is in fact out and the tsb was performed


yes the tsb is in canada as of now. i have performed it on a few cars including my own. slight noticeable changes. mazda is very sticky with what can be performed. so unfortunatly most of them will get just the reflash but if there is something wrong with the pump we will take care of it

[streetwerks]

i will post tsb no. tommorrow

[streetwerks]

and if you dont believe me i dont care i am just posting this to help you out

[Unoriginalusername]

and if you dont believe me i dont care i am just posting this to help you out

I don't doubt that... you said it is out now in Canada, and if that is true there will be a document just like this one: http://www.o-m-g-w-t-f.com/stuff/Mazdaspeed6/01-022-08-1919b%5B1%5D.pdf
TSB# is 01-022/08

And you would have an invoice that looked like this expaining the work done:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii21/akajioka/scan0001.jpg

[mousaillon]

i like to tell them exactly the sympthome by can somebody translate this in french so i will be abble to tell this to the dealer thanks

[Unoriginalusername]

i like to tell them exactly the sympthome by can somebody translate this in french so i will be abble to tell this to the dealer thanks

just copy the text into an online translator if you need to

[RX9]

its simple, you just need to go to dealer tell them you feel something different on car, ask them to flash for you, if your flue pump has problem, they can change that for ya. i am going to next week sometime.

[Unoriginalusername]

i will post tsb no. tommorrow

any luck? :)

[mousaillon]

what if i says thet the rpm is moving a little bit and when the car is hot that i did hate about 3-4 time some fuel cut and i did spoke with mazda canada regarding those and their said that there is tsb ???????????????????? is this a good explication witch i cans easyly translate

[equipped]

Has anyone in Canada been able toget them to replace the fuel pump. I've only noticed the problem for maybe a month now, and it seems to be getting worst. I just took my car in to Agincourt mazda, they still don't have a TSB up here so I guess i'll wait and see.

[WhiteSpeed3]

nope i was im with a fuel related issue on tuesday and still no TSB

[equipped]

Just got a call from them. Since they can't replicate it, no issue found.

Getting tired of this, gonna email Mazda Canada now.

[Unoriginalusername]

and if you dont believe me i dont care i am just posting this to help you out

wow a month later and nothing... guess someone was full of bs just like i predicted

[streetwerks]

actually there is no bs here talk to rx9 and brecker they both have it done. im not risking my job at mazda for stupid shit like this

dont be so quick to judge people you dont know it can get you into trouble

[Jeff-TheBiz]

wow a month later and nothing... guess someone was full of bs just like i predicted

Although I know nothing about the TSB, I can vouch for Streetwerks.

He is one of 25 (IIRC) Mazda Master Technicians in Canada.

As for the TSB being implemented in Canada, no idea... but does Steve know his sh!t? Absolutely.

[Unoriginalusername]

Although I know nothing about the TSB, I can vouch for Streetwerks.

He is one of 25 (IIRC) Mazda Master Technicians in Canada.

As for the TSB being implemented in Canada, no idea... but does Steve know his sh!t? Absolutely.

i never doubted the part exists, it is all over the US boards with offical mazda documentation. I also never challeged the fact that he knows his mazdas, what was said is that nobody seems to be able to find this in the Mazda Canada system as a recall like it was in the US at this point.

Happy to be proved wrong because I would love to get this done and stop the fuel cut problems i was having in the cooler weather

[streetwerks]

thank you

[brecker]

thank you

I'll second, third, and fourth that Streetwerks did this flash to my car amongst other things...

Hey buddy!! Long time no typing:)

Do you do Honda General maintenance as well? (2005 civic) I need some shit done..

[Unoriginalusername]

If i show up can i get the pump :chuckle

[streetwerks]

hey mark
long time no talk buisness has been insane no time to get on here. come by the shop some time. turbo miata all done.
as for the pump its case by case. have to see the car first

[Unoriginalusername]

which dealership are you at?

[Fobio]

which dealership are you at?

PM is best. :)

[Garu]

Anybody actually got their MS3 performed this TSB?

[royroy]

i think i got mine when i got my engine and turbo replaced..

[5_Alive]

I'm startin' to have the stupid problem too, fuel cuts. Thing stutters like a mofo when I try to give a little bit when its cold out. It doesn't do it all the time, but intermittently and I can tell its fuel. Pretty much hesitates. I've been working so much though I have no time to go in to get mine done.

And Roy, I want to hump your car dude.. f*%k I bought the wrong colour..

[alhope34]

I'm startin' to have the stupid problem too, fuel cuts. Thing stutters like a mofo when I try to give a little bit when its cold out. It doesn't do it all the time, but intermittently and I can tell its fuel. Pretty much hesitates. I've been working so much though I have no time to go in to get mine done.

And Roy, I want to hump your car dude.. f*%k I bought the wrong colour..

Mine used to studder and hesitate 50% of the time I would give it a decent amount of gas. I put the air straightener in my CAI and it has yet to studder or hesitate.

[Pilzz]

Good luck with getting this done espcially if you have mods on your car. I was gonna try and get this done but figured the dealer would say it was the mods. I asked the parts guy how much the OEM pump costs he said $900, WTF. I just decided to go with the CPE hpfp since it has a lifetime warranty.

[streetwerks]

If anyone is interested in getting their car looked at call Ajax Mazda and book and appt. and specify that you want Steve to only look at it.
Cheers

[silvermist99]

If anyone is interested in getting their car looked at call Ajax Mazda and book and appt. and specify that you want Steve to only look at it.
Cheers


does your dealership know how to claim warranty for american mazda steve? my car hesitate & jerks a little when cold. My car is from the US, last time I spoked to Gyro mazda those guys had no clue how to do warranty service/tsb on my car and refuse to deal with mazda canada directly:loco Mazda Canada specificly told me to get gyro to call them directly, their service advisors refused to and asked me to get paperwork from mazda canada instead because they are lazy.

[streetwerks]

it doesnt matter where the car is from. it is a bit of a pain in the ass when its not canadian but it doesnt matter

[joeylow]

i live in halifax nova scotia, and once i installed my corksport downpipe my car fuel cut like no tomorrow, called to order the pump from cp-e and it was almost $1300 to my door f'n crazy

[joeylow]

needless to say i have not ordered it yet car is in storage untill mid april anyways

[5_Alive]

Damn Steve.. I bought my car from you guys at Ajax, great team btw.
I wish I didn't live so far away otherwise I'd be getting my car in there ASAP to get checked. I wish the dealer here in Windsor was as friendly and helpful.

The stalling is a for sure thing, as when its real cold out, and my car is parked outside in the lot (only at work), it starts, then it stalls. Sometimes I have to try one or two times to get it going, or blip the throttle for a split second, and it will stay running. Very strange to say the least. Even does it with the factory airbox in place, no mods, no nothing.

[streetwerks]

hey thanks for the compliment. the issue with your car stalling on start up doesnt resemble a hpp issue though. i would be looking at a fuel pressure hold issue. take it into your dealer and explain the concern. they should keep it overnight to mimic the situation and should be able to figure it out.

[5_Alive]

That's what they wanted to do, but its tough being without my car cause of my work schedule, and they have no reason to give me a loaner, nor do I blame them really.
Besides, I think they dislike servicing my car because I didn't buy it from them, so I can't say really.

[blackspeed3]

i live in halifax nova scotia, and once i installed my corksport downpipe my car fuel cut like no tomorrow, called to order the pump from cp-e and it was almost $1300 to my door f'n crazy


Thats absolute insanity. I'm not even a cheap person and for a fuel pump thats completely retarted!

[silvermist99]

If anyone is interested in getting their car looked at call Ajax Mazda and book and appt. and specify that you want Steve to only look at it.
Cheers

see you on friday @ 11!

[streetwerks]

great

[silvermist99]

those stock 07/08. If your engine feels confused and hesitate at times, GET THIS DONE!!!!!!

My car spent two days with Mr. Streetwerks and he totally transformed it!! It drives SOOOO SMOOTH now at part throttle, like a N/A car, or should I say more like a turbo VW lol. Smoother then when it was new, the engine don't feel confused anymore and when I give it part throttle, it gives me part throttle without any vibration/hesitation. Before, sometimes when you give it part throttle, you hear turbo spoons up then engine gets confused and you get a bit of inconsistant power, the car now drives far more responsive.

The revs are far easier to control and reponses faster now, it totally helps shifting smoothly.

Thanks Steve!!

edit: When I say smooth, I don't mean toyota V6 smooth. I mean mazda 4 cyclinder smooth.

[kid_icarus]

those stock 07/08. If your engine feels confused and hesitate at times, GET THIS DONE!!!!!!

My car spent two days with Mr. Streetwerks and he totally transformed it!! It drives SOOOO SMOOTH now at part throttle, like a N/A car, or should I say more like a turbo VW lol. Smoother then when it was new, the engine don't feel confused anymore and when I give it part throttle, it gives me part throttle without any vibration/hesitation. Before, sometimes when you give it part throttle, you hear turbo spoons up then engine gets confused and you get a bit of inconsistant power, the car now drives far more responsive.

The revs are far easier to control and reponses faster now, it totally helps shifting smoothly.

Thanks Steve!!


edit: When I say smooth, I don't mean toyota V6 smooth. I mean mazda 4 cyclinder smooth.

is mr streetwerks mazda?
sorry i'm confused if we're talking about bringing in the car for the tsb or bringing in the car to get an upgraded high pressure fuel pump with an tuning shop?

[Fobio]

streetwerks is a well-respected Mazda Tech @ Ajax Mazda. their service dept reads TM3....good ppl from what I've heard.

[silvermist99]

is mr streetwerks mazda?
sorry i'm confused if we're talking about bringing in the car for the tsb or bringing in the car to get an upgraded high pressure fuel pump with an tuning shop?

streetwerks works at ajax mazda.

My car begun having extreme engine power cut issues early March. It cuts power off so bad I cannot keep up with buses sometimes & even stalled a few times. I took the car in during March break and Steve performed the TSB on my car, first he flashed my car I believe but that didn't fix my problem, so onto the 2nd part which is fuel pump replacement(took a month to get part in). That didn't cure the problem entirely neither, my car was quite messed up. He had to performed more magic on it and now its better than new.

It was a very lengthly process to get my car with serious problem working again, but ajax mazda did it!

[kid_icarus]

ohhh
i had no idea
this is the first time i've come across streetwerks

i get stuttering on low gears and with low gas....
but i've grown accustomed to all this

at this point i don't know what's normal and what's not anymore lol

maybe i'll have this done one day with steve on the weekend.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Streetwerks is a Mazda Master Tech at the Ajax dealership.

[clarky99]

Steve at Ajax Mazda did the fuel pump replacement on mine. Its better than it was but I still gets ome hesitation at highways speeds. I've taken it in maybe 4x with the same issue. Is it possible its the crappy engine mounts giving me the feelign of stuttering or hesitation??

[Fobio]

Steve at Ajax Mazda did the fuel pump replacement on mine. Its better than it was but I still gets ome hesitation at highways speeds. I've taken it in maybe 4x with the same issue. Is it possible its the crappy engine mounts giving me the feelign of stuttering or hesitation??

shitty engine mounts = wheel-hop = that unexpected slight stutter (sometimes)...combine that with shitty roads with potholes, gravel and salt all over still, I've told silvermist99 that I get all kinds of "slight hesitations" @ part throttle...I've logged my fuel pressure and it's above 17xx psi @ WOT so I'm not too worried and attribute some of the stutter to bad roads...

I don't get any hesitation at hwy speeds...but sometimes I get a slight "kick" @ 3000rpm...I think that's when the ECU goes from closed to open loop.

[-cj-]

I get that same problem around 3000 rpm... I also get hesitation or inconsistent power at partial throttle, but don't have any hesitation on the hwy... I'll have to keep an eye on my fuel pressure at WOT.

Does this problem exist on the 08.5's?

[alhope34]

What's the difference between open and closed loop? I keep seeing everyone talking about it but I have never figured out what it means or what it does, etc. Is it sort of like a VVT system?

[mleblond]

I get that same problem around 3000 rpm... I also get hesitation or inconsistent power at partial throttle, but don't have any hesitation on the hwy... I'll have to keep an eye on my fuel pressure at WOT.

Does this problem exist on the 08.5's?

No, it was a 07 problem only. As per the TSB anyways. But if it makes you happy, it didn't fix my problem that much...

[Fobio]

What's the difference between open and closed loop? I keep seeing everyone talking about it but I have never figured out what it means or what it does, etc. Is it sort of like a VVT system?

These are the 2 answers I got on MSF when i asked about the 3K kick:


Timing retard for turbo spool. Mine is amplified for lean spool.

Jeff at PG


The only difference between Open Loop and Closed Loop is that in Open Loop, the ECU does not make short term fueling adjustments based on the O2 Sensor (AFR); in essence, it ignores the O2 sensor and runs solely on the maps. Now, typically, Open Loop Commanded AFRs are richer but this is a not a factor of Closed versus Open Loop. Just to nip it in the bud... closed loop does NOT mean the car is running at stoich. Further, the transition from Closed to Open loop is not based on a specific RPM, per se. It depends on how the maps are laid out and is generally a mix of engine load and engine RPM.

What I believe wassup is referring to, is that by retarding the timing, the EGT tends to be higher, and higher EGT helps spool the turbo.

[craigrodrigues88]

I am getting this problem on my 08.5 as well. I almost feel like it is non-stop issues with this car

[unnervingfalcon]

hmm seems my car is on the list. It does run very lean.... exhaust tip is always very black. I've never had idle or power problems. Only incident was in 6th gear when I hit the gas a little hard and it hesitated... (like power then no power) .. very quickly..... I thought it was just because I was running 6th at like 85 kph and then the turbo kicked in.

[alhope34]

It does run very lean.... exhaust tip is always very black.

A black exhaust tip actually means you are running rich. This is completely normal for an MS3 or any turbo'd car for that matter. If your exhaust does NOT get black then there is a problem.

[streetwerks]

anyone that thinks they need their car checked out just call up Ajax Mazda and book an appt. make sure you request me and when you come in metion it again. As for Silvermist99`s car it wasn`t just a simple tsb fix unfortunatly it was one simple failed part and caused the failure of another