Barrie Teen did 239km/h

[Fobio]

This is the story...

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/427387

So I was talking with my uncle yesterday and figuring out what car the kid was driving...nothing short of a 5-series/E-class we figured...and here's some info:

http://www.gtamc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50772

It was a Lincoln LS! How the hell did he get clocked with 4 dudes in the car going 239?! Must have been a downhill stretch with wind on his tail?

FoMoCo FTW! Epic Fail: Stupid loser kid who risked his life, his friends' life and his parents car for a joyride! Stupid parents FTL!

That definitely ain't no ***** ticket... :chuckle

[yearoftherat]

What a loser....Suspended licence til when..his court date?? The courts better do its job and suspend his license indefinitely..

[x_o_k_x]

crazy! I can see lincoln doing 239 with v6 or v8 engine in it. But how come it doesnt have limiter like our 3s do? It would just take a while to get up to that point. Also as if he was going on 80km/h zone, stupid kids..

[Cardinal Fang]

I'm pretty sure the personalized license plate on that car read "MORON."

[x_o_k_x]

What a loser....Suspended licence til when..his court date?? The courts better do its job and suspend his license indefinitely..

better yet, $10,000 fine would do the job..

[mEtH]

:loco :AH

[Fobio]

My kid(s) are going karting as soon as I have them...hehe... and when they fit into a helmet.

Can't really blame a teenager for gapping when the testerone and hand-eye coordination are at their peak. We have all had our moments...it's almost effortless when you are in the zone. That's why I say as a parent, if you know your kid's got the need for speed, you need to nurture it rather than irresponsibly condoning it or turning a blind eye.

[LockOut]

My kid(s) are going karting as soon as I have them...hehe... and when they fit into a helmet.

Can't really blame a teenager for gapping when the testerone and hand-eye coordination are at their peak. We have all had our moments...it's almost effortless when you are in the zone. That's why I say as a parent, if you know your kid's got the need for speed, you need to nurture it rather than irresponsibly condoning it or turning a blind eye.
True, but at the same time, you can't blame the parents in this situation. Obviously the kid is a moron, and at 17, you should be smart enough to not get this out of hand. I say throw the book at him. He deserves it. I don't care that he put his own life in danger. If you want to do that, go for it. It's the other people in the car, and everyone else in the area that he put into danger that I care about. If the other kids in the car didn't tell him to slow down, then they're just as stupid as him...

[mEtH]

4 guys in their parents luxury vehicle... I think peer pressure has to be involved.
The parents are still dumb for letting him drive their car. I would rather buy him a beat up civic and let him learn.

[ZeroChalk]

There's been so much accidents attributed to excessive speeding... on that same stretch of highway in the winter 4 Collingwood teens lost their lives when the suv they were driving lost control. Last week there was that Accord that ejected two of its occupants on Eglinton... and this morning on nineth line van flipped killing the driver and critically injuring the rest of the passengers.

They should put an electronic limiter on cars driven by Teens.

[Cardinal Fang]

I'm just thinking about the time I was 17 and the dumbass things I did. I remember having to come home and explaining to my dad why I was caught breaking windows in an abandoned house. If I had to go home and explain this to my father I'd ask.....no wait.....I'd beg the cop to take out his club and beat me up because if my father was to get a hold of me he'd do far worse.

:chuckle

[tweak_s]

As a teen (19), I have to say stories like this piss me off.

I have to say thought hat most likely it was peer pressure or at least "cool factor".

My buddy's friend (who I think is a moron, always have and probably always will), was like "omg andrew (me), I tested out my Civic and its sooo fast, went liek 180 on the highway" (this was right after him discussing how the driving instructor whom he was using to prepare for a his G test was astonished how he got his G2)
me "you're a ****ing retard. Last time I saw you, you ACCIDENTLY ran a red light in front of me. Don't drive...and don't go get your G"

There are too many teens that are stupid and reckless, and theres probably an equal amount of teens that drive responsibily. Obviously though, as with everything in society, the negative is taken (and in this case, the negative is JUSTLY taken).

I hope the kid gets a bad penalty. Hopefully that will teach him.

[Wild Weasel]

Yeah, I look back at the things I've done over the years and really think the parents should be held responsible here. You just shouldn't give a teenager a car to drive that's even capable of that.

I know if I have kids, I'll never put them in that situation.

[mogul_pro]

its a 200hp sedan... that top speed isnt THAT hard to reach with no limiter... its about gearing more than anything and its not really uncommon.... 5th gear is probly really long so that u have a low cruising rpm for comfort on those things..so if u push long enough you could reach that type of speed eventually....


REALLY stupid... no doubt the opp and courts will make an example of this kid since it has all the media coverage now...

[mogul_pro]

Yeah, I look back at the things I've done over the years and really think the parents should be held responsible here. You just shouldn't give a teenager a car to drive that's even capable of that.

I know if I have kids, I'll never put them in that situation.

Even our mazda3s can do 180km/hr at the limiter... thats still 30km/hr over "street racing"..... and underexposing your children just makes them want to rebel more .. if they want to do something stupid .. there really isnt much u can do they will find a way.... best thing is to teeach them to make the right calls on there own.

[RallyPlaya]

Yeah i heard about this i hope he gets the 10 000 $$ Fine and no insurance company ever takes him... he deserves the stiffest penalty.... its kids like him that give teens my age (18) a bad rep. This kid is honestly an idiot firstly they just passed the 50 over rule recentally and its long weekend they were sooo many cops out when he did this act

[mogul_pro]

Yea opp was ALL OVER this weekend!

Not only that he put 3 other lives in danger let along himself... your reaction time is next to ZERO when you go that fast... a LS doesnt have Formula1 brakes so it can stop in 2 seconds form that speed to say the least...

[mleblond]

Cobb ap in the mix....:) Valet mode restricts a cerntain rpm level. why not have such an option for all the cars. The funny thing about bill 203 is that manufacturers still try to make the cars faster! But then again who would buy a car that the top speed is 150?

Ps. that kid's life is over. I had something happen to me when I was about that age and 7 years later still paying for it. Even if he gets charged 10 000. That is nothing. Insurance will cost way more than that....i suggest take the bus or change province ...that worked for me ;)

[RallyPlaya]

Cobb ap in the mix....:) Valet mode restricts a cerntain rpm level. why not have such an option for all the cars. The funny thing about bill 203 is that manufacturers still try to make the cars faster! But then again who would buy a car that the top speed is 150?

Ps. that kid's life is over. I had something happen to me when I was about that age and 7 years later still paying for it. Even if he gets charged 10 000. That is nothing. Insurance will cost way more than that....i suggest take the bus or change province ...that worked for me ;)

What happened to you in Quebec :loco

[yearoftherat]

better yet, $10,000 fine would do the job..

Pay the fine AND suspend the license.

[Wild Weasel]

I think having a "restricted" mode on new cars would be a most excellent feature! Have a separate key that you need to enable or disable it. It should be simple to implement. There could be a valet mode, with restricted RPM's as well as another mode with a top speed restricted to 120 km/h or something.

I think that would be a hugely popular feature!

[mogul_pro]

What stops people from driving in an unrestricted 'mode' on the streets then?

[mleblond]

What happened to you in Quebec :loco

got charge wreckless driving for falling asleep behind the wheel on the 401. I rolled twice in the ditch and landed on 4 wheels. I should of ran for my life and not wait for popo. only had G2 at the time and got a 325$ ticket, loss all my points and the parents had to pay over 30 000$ in insurance in less than 5 years. I moved to quebec where my records was clean :) (ottawa-gatineau) I just recently moved back to ontario 7 years later.

It's a long story but still when your a kid you don't know all the shit it gets you in, and unfortunately you can't press the reset button either...I think bill 203 is too excessive and there is better ways to slow people down and not ruin peoples lives and let insurance company make all the money. Sure speed kills but I always think living is worst than dying...in the sense you have to live with what you have done (that you killed someone, or whatever)

i don't know about you but just getting pulled over is enough for me to slow down for a while. Every time i get pulled over it puts me in one of these moods where all the good things you've done count for nothing and you become a criminal. All the cops Ive had treat you like shit no matter what you do or say. it's like they have to have an attitude or something.

Anyways you never know, this kid may be a very good kid but no matter what he is ****ed and theres nothing he can do...As stupid as it sounds I just feel for the kid as I am sure he is the first big case for this new bill 203 and will get rapped....sorry guys

[whiteomega]

What stops people from driving in an unrestricted 'mode' on the streets then?



or stealing the keys?

i agree though, a valet mode would be a good way to limit a lot of the young drivers driving dangerously, but it certainly isn't a solution to the greater problem.

there are only two places you should be driving this fast...ever. The race track, or a video game.

[mleblond]

I think having a "restricted" mode on new cars would be a most excellent feature! Have a separate key that you need to enable or disable it. It should be simple to implement. There could be a valet mode, with restricted RPM's as well as another mode with a top speed restricted to 120 km/h or something.

I think that would be a hugely popular feature!

Yep for parents to control the kids anyways. there is already products that read speeds you have done with the car.

[RallyPlaya]

They Should limit Cars to 149 that makes sense to me.... but you cant limit all cars to 120 because that would destroy the market for cars like Ferrari and people woul always find a way to remove the limiter.... also that makes are society look like we have no freedom whats next limit amount of alchohal per person.... a move like that would change the auto industry largely as a whole affecting negatively many billion dollar companies and not only that how would you limit all older cars?

[Cardinal Fang]

Anyways you never know, this kid may be a very good kid but no matter what he is ****ed and theres nothing he can do...

I don't know how good this kid is if he partakes in these types of activities. I like to think that an event like this will teach him a valuable lesson. He will be shunned and looked down on by many. But the alternative would be to have killed someone and have that on your conscience, as you noted, for the rest of his life. I think this is the lesser of the two evils.

He played a game of Russian Roulette with people and got away with it.



As stupid as it sounds I just feel for the kid as I am sure he is the first big case for this new bill 203 and will get rapped....sorry guys

But that is the essence of law and punishment. It has to be a deterrent so that others don't follow in his footsteps. A simple speeding ticket will see this kid back on the streets doing the same thing in the future.

[mleblond]

good point Cardi but who never went faster than 150 in their life? I know I would not throw the first rock at this kid....

[Cardinal Fang]

Oh I'll admit I've driven at 150Km before and I paid the price with a speeding ticket. I was 29 when I was nailed and it happened on the 407. It was stupid and I deserved what came to me. Taught me a lesson I've never forgotten.

I've never hit 230Km/hr at the age of 17 though on cottage roads. I wouldn't drive that fast if I had a Ferrari. That's just nuts and on a completely different scale of proportion in my books.

Your point is well taken though.

[RallyPlaya]

Ive hit the limiter not going to lie but it was before the 50+ rule and i had a friend in front of me and behind me give me. + it was clear and it was an absolute straight away for Km's but yeah after the 50 over rule i wouldn't even consider it and he chose to do this on long weekend after everyone knows about the 50+ rules absolutely stuped

[LockOut]

But that is the essence of law and punishment. It has to be a deterrent so that others don't follow in his footsteps. A simple speeding ticket will see this kid back on the streets doing the same thing in the future.
Exactly. Punishment is not, in my opinion, set out to teach the offender a lesson. It should be there as a deterrant so that it doesn't happen in the first place. If this kid gets off with a slap on the wrist, others will know that the bill is a crock of sh!t, and it will be a wasted movement.

[Wild Weasel]

What stops people from driving in an unrestricted 'mode' on the streets then?

Nothing. But you could set the restriction before giving the car to your kid. Just one extra measure available to help keep them in line. Even the best kids will make bad decisions. Sometimes helping them along the right path can make all the difference in the world.


They Should limit Cars to 149 that makes sense to me.... but you cant limit all cars to 120 because that would destroy the market for cars like Ferrari and people woul always find a way to remove the limiter.... also that makes are society look like we have no freedom whats next limit amount of alchohal per person.... a move like that would change the auto industry largely as a whole affecting negatively many billion dollar companies and not only that how would you limit all older cars?

This is part of why I'd never condone limiting all cars to some limit like that. Some people actually take their cars to a track. Are there special exemptions for these people?

I fully endorse the talk the gov't has done about limiting all trucks to 110. There's no conceivable reason for them to go faster than that. And I think others should have an option to limit them, so that those who choose to use it could do so.

People don't like having freedoms taken away from them, but give them a tool to make their cars safer and they'll appreciate it.

I never did 230km/h as a teenager... but probably only because I never had a car that could do it. I know that, and am not ashamed to admit it. Knowing that, I also know that I have a responsibility to my kids to help keep them from doing it as well.

[leems]

They should throw the book at this guy, he deserves it. Going 239 in an 80 zone, how dumb can you be. Probably wanted to be cool with his buddies in the car.
As someone mentioned, he ruins it for guys like us that mod our cars just for the fun of it, not to race etc.

[chinsterr]

I have to confess to hitting the limiter MULTIPLE times back when I was 18 and just got the mazda... but 2 speeding tickets in 2 months straighted me out fast. Now I just cruise along with an occasional spirited run.

I can see someone doing around 180 on a back country road but 240 is madness.

[KenYork]

Interesting Star article: http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/427820.

Police spokesman, trauma specialist agree that parents should be held accountable if they hand over keys to powerful cars

"Parents should be looking at themselves when they hand over the keys to powerful vehicles," said Sgt Cam Woolley. "They are part of the equation."

To any vehicle for that. Even with theft of keys, that should be another charge of theft over $5k. What would you do then, take the fault for giving you kids the keys or reporting them as a thief and giving them a criminal record.

[iconicrocket]

The cars they have today can only make it easier and more tempting for people to drive fast. Can't see this problem going away, can only see safer cars in the future, and increase survivability.

I hope the teenager in question reads up on the "Darwin Award".

[asif9t9]

I feel bad for this kid. We've all done stupid things as kids. Some things don't take much planning....it just happens. Maybe peer pressure. Whatever. Anyone who has weaved around traffic has put more people in danger than this kid. Even if you think you know what you're doing, you never know what another driver might do.

Sure this kid should pay for it. But I won't throw stones. I say all stock cars should be limited to 120km/h, as there's no reason to go faster. Sports cars can be allowed to go faster, if they're sold with the right tires, etc, for track racing.

[JMAK74]

Interesting Star article: http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/427820.

Police spokesman, trauma specialist agree that parents should be held accountable if they hand over keys to powerful cars

"Parents should be looking at themselves when they hand over the keys to powerful vehicles," said Sgt Cam Woolley. "They are part of the equation."

Is this police spokesman new at the job or something???

My understanding is that the owner (i.e. parents) of a vehicle can be held responsible for the actions of said vehicle (unless stolen) as it is their responsibility to control who has access to operae their vehicle - in other words - should a TM3 member, with my permission, use my 3 and speeds off and crashes and kills someone, said TM3 member would be held criminally responsible for the death and good chance financially responsible, however I may end up getting caught in the civil suit that could follow (I understand that no-fault affects what i've said, however with the chance of that, it's something to think about).

Throw the books at this kid and maybe someone should sit with the parent(s) and have a talk with them about how they are responsible for what their kid did. An example has to be set - if you don't - some other kid is going to hop into his parents car (with permission) and get into an accident - this incident could have just as likely ended with 4 teens dead (and we'll then all hear about the 'tragedy' of it all when it comes down to some jack@ss kid screwing up).

Oh and for the record - I have done my share of 'not so smart' things with cars in my younger days. Even occassionly now, I may go a bit faster than the rest on the highway (but no 239km/hr) - but now as when I was younger, I was/am ready to pay for my actions - even if I get the books thrown at me - that's being an adult - I believe something every 'teen' want to be treated as.

[3GFX]

All I'm thinkin, is this kid is gonna have some wicked problems when he's gonna look for insurance :p

[chu]

that's stupid

[trix241]

Yea heard about this kid... what an idiot! yes.. not only is this kid stupid for driving so fast... but way to pick the weekend where you'll see the most opp on the roads!

[JMAK74]

I fully endorse the talk the gov't has done about limiting all trucks to 110. There's no conceivable reason for them to go faster than that. And I think others should have an option to limit them, so that those who choose to use it could do so.


I agree with you whole heartedly, however there is a conceivable reason why a truck driver would want to go faster - money and employment - (you and other probably know this) - truck drivers are restricted to the number of hours per day they can drive. The faster they can go, the more runs in a day they can get completed (hence more cash) and/or not be late with loads (ensure employment).

FYI - in Ontario we allow more weight on a truck - so if you see a tri-axle going from the airport to say Pickering - it could have on it potentially 50,000lb (25 tons) of product on board. So limiting them to 110km/hr is no issue with me.

[nicker]

WOW that kid was Flying!!!! He should loose his licence for 10 years min! I hope he gets the maximum fines too! What a ****** idiot! That is just a plain disrgard for anyones safety!

[RX9]

i still have no idea how can a LS top out at 239km/h, even its a V8, there is still the limit from Ford.

[Fobio]

i still have no idea how can a LS top out at 239km/h, even its a V8, there is still the limit from Ford.

That's still what I'm wondering too...I'm not bench racer, but w/ 280hp/286tq with 4 dudes in the car, there must have been something more to this...like I said, downhill with wind on tail?

Not that 239km/h is REALLY that fast, but it takes quite a stretch of road for a car laden w/ 4 ppl to reach that speed...and to be nailed at THAT SPEED, meant he was likely going even faster at some point...

[Dragazn]

its probably a huge conspiracy... there was never a kid... they made that up so they would have stories to tell......

lol i don't know... im just making stuff up cuz Im bored....

either way... 239 is crazy.... i've driven fast but no where near that... ESPECIALLY when there are other peoples lives that are on the line and in the car with you.

[Wild Weasel]

I agree with you whole heartedly, however there is a conceivable reason why a truck driver would want to go faster - money and employment - (you and other probably know this)

Of course there are. And there's plenty of reasons for me to want to do 230. For fun, and to get places faster. That doesn't mean it should be possible.

Of course, there ARE conceivable places for me to do this... (though I don't think any track around here is big enough for 230...) so I can make an argument for my car retaining this capability.

Truck drivers can do no such thing. There is no conceivable place for them to drive over 110 legally. Even in the US, when the speed limit is 70 mph, aren't trucks still restricted to 60 or 65?

[RX9]

had he been nailed by a cruser or the choper, however i felt the OPP will lose this case, even the court wont belive this story.