Where can you get a ticket? - Story Included (a bit long)!

[laksman91]

I got pulled "over"/ confronted by a cop @ a parking lot and he took my information etc. No tickets though. He said he's "letting me off" the hook this time.

So this is my story.

So today I was out for lunch at the mall with some buddies and coming back to my car we noticed a cop car parked aside. So we get in and I get one friend to go near the mall entrance as we'd have 4 in the back. So i drive normally not revving high, and pick him up at the entrance so now and start to leave. I now have 4 in the back (illegal - i know). I start to leave the mall and i notice the cop car pulls out and is now heading towards me. I stop and make a turn onto the main road the cop does the same. I thought that cops are unable to give tickets in private propery / parking lots. So i make the first right back into the parking lot and the cop does the same. At this point the cop wouldn't be aware that I have 4 in the back and is merely following. So inside the mall lot area I make about 4 or 5 more turns and the cop does exactly the same. I park the car and turn it off and the cop comes around and comes out. At this point it is evident I have 4 in the back. He gets my license, insurance, ownership and the licenses of those in the car (had 5 others). He does his thing and lets us off after 15 minutes. I was late for class :(

Would he be able to issue that ticket on private property/ mall parking? If so, could that have been easily fought in court.

Side Note: I believe he used some profiling for the "chase". I'm 17 and as a group of young guys approaching a car I guess it doesn't look assuring. As a group of "brown" kids and "asian" kids maybe he would have stereotyped us? To add to his stereotyping... I have yellow fog lights, a mazdaspeed catback so he probably thinks I'm upto no good.

** A friend of mine didnt have ID so he was talking to him at the cruiser and apparantly he was asked if we smoked weed and if we had any on us and he would search. I found this kind of offensive as he made a massive assumption.

[Wild Weasel]

Sure he can. He wouldn't have been able to if you hadn't gone out onto the road, but since he saw you driving on the street doing something illegal, he can certainly cite you for it.

[FLIPDADY]

Sure he can. He wouldn't have been able to if you hadn't gone out onto the road, but since he saw you driving on the street doing something illegal, he can certainly cite you for it.
+1

I would still fight it though.

[LockOut]

Let me preface this by saying that I understand this isn't answering the question, but something else that I THINK (and I want to emphasize this) is fishy about the story.

It was my understanding that you (if you have a full G license, which seems unlikely sincee you're 17, and your passengers are about 16 years old) are not responsible to have a certain number of people in the car. I thought that you could have more people in the car than seat belts, as long as all seat belts were being used. It is the decision of the passenger to not use a seat belt.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but I think one of my friends got a ticket for this at one point...

[Wild Weasel]

They changed that law a year or so ago when a whole bunch of people were killed in a van.

It used to be that you could have as many people as you wanted, so long as all seatbelts were in use and the drive wasn't obstructed.

Now you can't have more people than seatbelts.

[LockOut]

They changed that law a year or so ago when a whole bunch of people were killed in a van.

It used to be that you could have as many people as you wanted, so long as all seatbelts were in use and the drive wasn't obstructed.

Now you can't have more people than seatbelts.

Good to know.

[laksman91]

Let me preface this by saying that I understand this isn't answering the question, but something else that I THINK (and I want to emphasize this) is fishy about the story.

It was my understanding that you (if you have a full G license, which seems unlikely sincee you're 17, and your passengers are about 16 years old) are not responsible to have a certain number of people in the car. I thought that you could have more people in the car than seat belts, as long as all seat belts were being used. It is the decision of the passenger to not use a seat belt.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but I think one of my friends got a ticket for this at one point...

I'm 17 with my G2, but I dont think that changes the situation much. All the passengers had atleast a G1. I believe 3 had seatbelts on, and one didn't. But has WW has said, by law i need 1 seat belt per person.

Also.. whats fishy?


+1

I would still fight it though.

Luckily no ticket, but in that situation I would've done the same

[Mazda3X2]

From my read it seems as though you didn't get a ticket....correct?

The profiling thing, no escaping it. It's actually a very strong tool that although not perfect does work very well overall. If you happen to fit into a certain stereotype you can expect to be hassled more than someone who does not.

When I had my bright red Supra Turbo I would see cops watching for me to do something like race or spin the tires. Until they might see me with the window down and tell that I'm mid 30's. If I was 18 with a few friends in the car, different story right. I might get pulled over just to "check my paperwork".

The truth is, probably 9 times out of 10 they pull over someone that they have profiled as more likely to offend, they seem find something. Coincidence?

[LockOut]

I'm 17 with my G2, but I dont think that changes the situation much. All the passengers had atleast a G1. I believe 3 had seatbelts on, and one didn't. But has WW has said, by law i need 1 seat belt per person.

Also.. whats fishy?

Sorry, fishy wasn't a good word to use. I meant that I thought the cop wouldn't have been able to give you a ticket, anyways, no matter where he pulled you over. But, as WW has informed me, my understanding was incorrect from the start, so just ignore my whole post :chuckle

[p-o-g-i]

..... The profiling thing, no escaping it. It's actually a very strong tool that although not perfect does work very well overall. If you happen to fit into a certain stereotype you can expect to be hassled more than someone who does not.

.....The truth is, probably 9 times out of 10 they pull over someone that they have profiled as more likely to offend, they seem find something. Coincidence?

I agree. You can question if it's accurate or if it's fair..... but it does work more often then not.

[b]

They changed that law a year or so ago when a whole bunch of people were killed in a van.

It used to be that you could have as many people as you wanted, so long as all seatbelts were in use and the drive wasn't obstructed.

Now you can't have more people than seatbelts.

I didn't know they changed that law either. Thanks for the info.

[Wild Weasel]

Yeah, they opened up a whole can of worms when they changed the law. I'm not sure whether, in the end, there were any exceptions included.

It was mentioned at the time that it was going to be a big problem for a lot of people. Consider 4 movers in a truck cab or a bunch of field workers in the back of a pickup truck heading out to the farm. Stuff like that was an issue. I don't recall ever hearing whether they just told them to stuff it, or whether they included exceptions.

Certainly there are exceptions for buses. :)

I know for sure though that for us regular folk now, it's 1 person per seatbelt and no more.

[ds2chan]

The cop could have just eyed you since you got into your car. That is, watched you picking up the extra passenger at the front of the mall. Since he parked beside you he knows how many people is in your car already. Just add one and presto, more ppl than seatbelts.

I would say he was stereotyping by asking about the weed though. Maybe it's common in the area with younger people??

[jaimie08mazda3]

i got one doing 85 in a 50. but ive been pulled over 7 times. twice for stealing my own car. cops will do anything to attempt to get us off the road i swear to god

[FlashEngineer]

What? Stealing your own car.. how?

[Dan Da Man]

If your car wasn't reported stolen how did you steal your own car?

[kaval]

Consider yourself lucky.

Why are you cruising around with 4 people in the back if it's illegal?

[jaimie08mazda3]

i was on my way home the first time from fergus and the cop pulled me over because supposedly a mazda3 was reported stolen (mine has the immobilizer so i didnt understand that) and the cop said i fit the description. because im young somewhat tan and wear a backwards hat. cop sat in his car for 5 minutes running everything. then let me go. the second time was coming home from work. it was 11:30 at night im tired and once again i get pulled over. same story pretty well. i got mad and said to the cop this happened a month ago this is my vehicle, i have all the paperwork simple as that. he understood and was like i apologize but today at about 11 a mazda3 was stolen from a parking lot. and i told him that i pay 447 a month on in surance and 184 a month on car payment. i own this vehicle, i have no money because of it. he apologized and since then never again. but it was just soo stupid in the first place.

[Fuman]

i was on my way home the first time from fergus and the cop pulled me over because supposedly a mazda3 was reported stolen (mine has the immobilizer so i didnt understand that) and the cop said i fit the description. because im young somewhat tan and wear a backwards hat. cop sat in his car for 5 minutes running everything. then let me go. the second time was coming home from work. it was 11:30 at night im tired and once again i get pulled over. same story pretty well. i got mad and said to the cop this happened a month ago this is my vehicle, i have all the paperwork simple as that. he understood and was like i apologize but today at about 11 a mazda3 was stolen from a parking lot. and i told him that i pay 447 a month on in surance and 184 a month on car payment. i own this vehicle, i have no money because of it. he apologized and since then never again. but it was just soo stupid in the first place.
I'm lowered, and noticeable camber (on purpose, don't ask). I have never been hassled driving my car, even when I look like a bum.

Jaimie, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but if you reflect back to the times you got pulled over, how were you driving? As in, were you driving a bit more aggressive than the average person? What area were you in?

[jaimie08mazda3]

ya but compare your age to me. and first time i was on high way 6 coming towards guelph from fergus and second time on highway 7 leaving guelph going towards rockwood. and no i wasnt driving fast. well the 2nd time maybe but i was tired from work. but on highway six no i was going 85 90 in a 80 zone.

[Fuman]

ya but compare your age to me. and first time i was on high way 6 coming towards guelph from fergus and second time on highway 7 leaving guelph going towards rockwood. and no i wasnt driving fast. well the 2nd time maybe but i was tired from work. but on highway six no i was going 85 90 in a 80 zone.
when I'm in bum clothes, I look like I'm 17. Even if I'm in work clothes, I look at most 23, or so say people. I'm only 23 right now.

Maybe it is the officers in your area?

[McGuyver_3]

I got a ticket for to many people in the car (8 in total and 6 chicks haha) i didnt know either that the law had been changed but i went to court and won

[jaimie08mazda3]

yea but you wouldnt get points taken off for too many people would you? I managed 8 people in my car lol

[McGuyver_3]

the officer that pulled me over said it was a 3 or 4 point ticket thats why i took it to court and when i asked my lawyer who was repping me for my other case he said there is no point deduction. I beleive the lawyer more then the officer

[jaimie08mazda3]

maybe im not too sure.

[jaimie08mazda3]

oh ya one more thing. check this out. it tells you the demerit point system http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.htm