Evo X vs. MS3...

[Zspeed]

Hey Guys,

I just drove an Evo X for the first time today. Let me tell you that the all wheel drive system makes a world of a difference. Although I find that Mitsubishi went pretty cheap on the interior fot a 41,000 dollar car. The MS3 has much nice and well put together dash. It was fun to drive but I'm not convinced that If I would trade my MS3 for an EVO X. Have anyone here drove one yet?

[Unoriginalusername]

which dealer has one?

[Malcolm991]

You would think for the money you would get all the bells and whistles. Including the speed3!

[mazdas3sporte]

Test drive the Sti and the evo 10 before making a decison, u cant even compare the two to a FWD speed 3 , not even same catagory. if u got the money for a car like that than consider a long term lease for the new C63 AMG or BMW M3.

[Zspeed]

It was Auto Park Mitsubishi. It is not a cheap car considering it is an 08 model and the 2010's coming in by this summer with some more ponies.

[Unoriginalusername]

It was Auto Park Mitsubishi. It is not a cheap car considering it is an 08 model and the 2010's coming in by this summer with some more ponies.

whats this about more ponies?

[swales]

I've driven the Evo X and couldn't stand it, if I was spending that kind of money I would get a Suby

[Zspeed]

whats this about more ponies?

Apparently the 2010 Evo should have a few more ponies (like 315). I just heard it from a buddy of mine who has an Evo 8. He is into all the Evo's. Although it's not yet confirmed. The dash of the Evo X is very cheap. I felt like I was gonna break something and make me buy the car. :)
But I'm telling you from a roll there is no way that is faster then the MS3...guaranteed! Are you thinking about the Evo ?

[Zspeed]

I've driven the Evo X and couldn't stand it, if I was spending that kind of money I would get a Suby

The new Sti is not an attractive car anymore unfortunatelly. I rather buy like on 07 sti. It is meaner,sleeker and faster.

[Unoriginalusername]

The new Sti is not an attractive car anymore unfortunatelly. I rather buy like on 07 sti. It is meaner,sleeker and faster.

i actually like the new sti more than the old visually at least

http://www.zcars.com.au/images/2008-wrx-sti-wallpaper1.jpg

[Edmonius]

Wow, from that angle the new STI looks like a catfish. Almost more so than the MKIV Supra.

But, getting back to the original point, it seems to me that the 'Speed has more "soul". Not as much gimmicky computer and tranny stuff going on.

[Zspeed]

I take it you would buy one in black again like the MS3? :) Don't you miss your speed3?
What cars do you have in mind?

[Unoriginalusername]

I take it you would buy one in black again like the MS3? :) Don't you miss your speed3?
What cars do you have in mind?

only houses on the mind for the moment, but in a dream ya i'd love an evo or sti in a dark grey

heres what a grand gets you with the evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qDfSzBN778

[Darkfrosty7]

well the new mazdaspeed 3's are coming in this summer maybe you can hold off till then?

[Zspeed]

only houses on the mind for the moment, but in a dream ya i'd love an evo or sti in a dark grey

heres what a grand gets you with the evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qDfSzBN778

Now that locks even more attractive. I'm starting to like the Evo again!

[Fobio]

I'm happy to see ppl seriously having a hard time deciding between the MS3 and the STi/Evo. Speaks volumes about how high the MS3 is reaching with its econo-sleeper formula. To be honest, as a car guy who's also a driver, the STi/Evo should beat the MS3 hands-down. If budgeting didn't matter as much, making the jump to a STi/Evo or any of the BMW's with that twin-turbo engine is a no-brainer for that price range.

Zspeed, any car you choose on that list, from Evo to STi and down to the MS3 are great choices...kinda like choosing between Jessica, Angelina and Christina. Just drive it like it's meant to be driven... =)

Several instructors and high-level drivers I know of swear by the Evo/STi formula, and I can't agree more.

[Zspeed]

I'm happy to see ppl seriously having a hard time deciding between the MS3 and the STi/Evo. Speaks volumes about how high the MS3 is reaching with its econo-sleeper formula. To be honest, as a car guy who's also a driver, the STi/Evo should beat the MS3 hands-down. If budgeting didn't matter as much, making the jump to a STi/Evo or any of the BMW's with that twin-turbo engine is a no-brainer for that price range.

Zspeed, any car you choose on that list, from Evo to STi and down to the MS3 are great choices...kinda like choosing between Jessica, Angelina and Christina. Just drive it like it's meant to be driven... =)

Several instructors and high-level drivers I know of swear by the Evo/STi formula, and I can't agree more.

Right now to my mind the Evo has the most attractive price. The cheap dash bugs me a bit though. Who knows, with all that power and control I may just have to overlook that.

[Unoriginalusername]

is either the sti or evo offering really good discounts that could make your decision easier? thought about the wrx 265 at all?

[mazdas3sporte]

wrx 265 is much much better than the previous year, it went from 244 hp in one year to 265... thats impresseive, not even taking into account the stiffer suspension !! the price is decent too

[Zspeed]

I just can't live with the body style of the wrx265 or the STi. Also in comparison in performance the EVO takes it all the time. Not by much but still rated a better car on and off the track.
Maybe they will get more aggressive with their pricing in the next couple of months. :)

[Unoriginalusername]

I just can't live with the body style of the wrx265 or the STi. Also in comparison in performance the EVO takes it all the time. Not by much but still rated a better car on and off the track.
Maybe they will get more aggressive with their pricing in the next couple of months. :)
take it that they don't have any good incentives at the moment? that 1k tuning package seems pretty good though, shaves off a full second in the quarter

[shuller1458]

It's simple AWD>FWD, they are both good cars, but, I am sorry, you can't beat AWD system with a good 2L Turbo engine, that has HUGE aftermarket support comparing to MS3.

[ptfire]

You guys think AWD is the best thing. For fast lap time it surely isn't always better. Just look and see what cars the Cobalt SS turbo and the MS3 beat. The Subaru STi barely ran a faster lap time than a lousy handling Caliber SRT4.
AWD does have it's place but it is not everything.
http://www.autospies.com/news/Car-and-Drivers-Annual-Lightning-Lap-around-Virginia-International-See-how-your-Favorite-Cars-Did-35974/

[swales]

^I agree, everyone thinks anything AWD is superior to everything else

[Unoriginalusername]

You guys think AWD is the best thing. For fast lap time it surely isn't always better. Just look and see what cars the Cobalt SS turbo and the MS3 beat. The Subaru STi barely ran a faster lap time than a lousy handling Caliber SRT4.
AWD does have it's place but it is not everything.
http://www.autospies.com/news/Car-and-Drivers-Annual-Lightning-Lap-around-Virginia-International-See-how-your-Favorite-Cars-Did-35974/

guess it depends on the track, the STI was actually quicker than the new evo around the top gear track and both were miles ahead of fwd cars like the MPS/Focus ST etc.

Fact is even for people that go to the track, their car spends less than half of a percentage point of its life span on the track vs. real world driving conditions which is even more true in climates like where we are in canada when awd would be nice at times.

that being said, back to the new ms3... if it has the new focus RS suspension, revo knuckle setup with improvements to the gear ratios, perhaps going to a different style turbo (i.e. twin scroll) to broaden its powerband and gets a modest bump (280-300) there is still hope for it

[Big Dad]

The evo X gsr 5 speed gets anywhere from 140 km to 270 km (depending on how liberal you are with the throttle) on a tank of gas. I can't think of any v8 or v10 for that matter that gets that bad gas mileage. I'll stick with my MS3 that gets 500 km to a tank.

[Zspeed]

That is really bad! The Evo on the track get's 140-270 km/tank? That is horrible. What about on the street normal driving conditions. Maybe will get 400 km's I would think. How do you know this info big dad??

[Big Dad]

I did not say the track, that was the street. Ask anyone that owns one.

[Zspeed]

I did not say the track, that was the street. Ask anyone that owns one.

I don't know anyone myself that owns one. Sorry I thought you meant on the track. That would totally change my mind about the whole car. Is the STi just as bad?

[notoriousb]

The MS3 is a fuqin ugly car. All hatchbacks in my opinion are ugly as ****. They should all be destroyed. Ugly.. ****.

Subu's are a also looking pretty ugly too...ALL evo's looked good in my opinion, except the wagon ones that came out --- but hatchbacks are a basically mini wagons ... holy shit did I mention hatches are ugly?

[Unoriginalusername]

The MS3 is a fuqin ugly car. All hatchbacks in my opinion are ugly as ****. They should all be destroyed. Ugly.. ****.

Subu's are a also looking pretty ugly too...ALL evo's looked good in my opinion, except the wagon ones that came out --- but hatchbacks are a basically mini wagons ... holy shit did I mention hatches are ugly?

Good thing there are lots of hawt sedans for you to pick from :chuckle
http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/96350/2008-Chevrolet-Cobalt-SS-i009.jpg

[cereal83]

Aren't rally cars limited to 300 hp? If so I don't see the STI or Evo getting any more HP because to have a car in the rally, the car has to be a sellable car to the public minute a few upgrades etc.

[Aitch]

The MS3 is a fuqin ugly car. All hatchbacks in my opinion are ugly as ****. They should all be destroyed. Ugly.. ****.

Subu's are a also looking pretty ugly too...ALL evo's looked good in my opinion, except the wagon ones that came out --- but hatchbacks are a basically mini wagons ... holy shit did I mention hatches are ugly?


Whew....... good thing no one around here has a hatchback!

[Mazda3X2]

Tell us how you really feel...

The MS3 is a hot looking car, and IMO the hatches are sportier and more aggresive looking than a sedan.

Judging by your opinion on the looks of the MS3 I take it you don't own one, correct? And if that is in fact the case, you shouldn't be allowed to express your negative opinions in the "MazdaSpeed 3 Forum". Join the "Sedan Syndicate" and bash us hatch owners all you want there. :chuckle


The MS3 is a fuqin ugly car. All hatchbacks in my opinion are ugly as ****. They should all be destroyed. Ugly.. ****.

Subu's are a also looking pretty ugly too...ALL evo's looked good in my opinion, except the wagon ones that came out --- but hatchbacks are a basically mini wagons ... holy shit did I mention hatches are ugly?

[mleblond]

Good thing there are lots of hawt sedans for you to pick from :chuckle
http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/96350/2008-Chevrolet-Cobalt-SS-i009.jpg

I think this sums it up pretty good!

now back :OT

[alhope34]

Aren't rally cars limited to 300 hp? If so I don't see the STI or Evo getting any more HP because to have a car in the rally, the car has to be a sellable car to the public minute a few upgrades etc.

In Europe, I believe the Evo is 360 hp and their Ralliart is 300 hp. They can put the hp up to whatever they want, the ones being sold to the public aren't real rally cars. If you want a real rally car, buy the Evo or STi and pay $20,000 to send it to Europe and get Prodrive to give it a once over. Rally cars are also limited to 2L, why then is the WRX and STi both 2.5L?

[Unoriginalusername]

In Europe, I believe the Evo is 360 hp and their Ralliart is 300 hp. They can put the hp up to whatever they want, the ones being sold to the public aren't real rally cars. If you want a real rally car, buy the Evo or STi and pay $20,000 to send it to Europe and get Prodrive to give it a once over. Rally cars are also limited to 2L, why then is the WRX and STi both 2.5L?

they used to be 2.0l up until 2008 in the uk... the evo still is

[Malcolm991]

Good thing there are lots of hawt sedans for you to pick from :chuckle
http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/96350/2008-Chevrolet-Cobalt-SS-i009.jpg

I thought this was the sedan he likes!:chuckle

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u273/spiffman99/k.jpg

[alhope34]

they used to be 2.0l up until 2008 in the uk... the evo still is

Yea, but the STi has been 2.5L ever since it debuted in North America in 2004, I believe. I'm just trying to say that car companies will not stick strictly to rally rules when selling the vehicles to the public. It makes no sense. It's much easier to make a reliable 300 hp car at 2.5L than it is at 2L. Also, 300 hp isn't anything special anymore, normal family sedans keep getting more and more hp, how would it make sense to keep these two cars pinned at 300 hp while even a V6 Camry now has 275 or 280 hp, whatever it is.

[alhope34]

^^


I'm sure he likes pimping out in his 88 Civic, yo! It's got all the vtechs! And probably the 50 decals to prove it.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/series6000/myron1.jpg

[Malcolm991]

It's gotta be the Custom K Car, look at the wheels and exhaust!

[Zspeed]

Last time when I was in Europe (2007) and went into a subaru dealer. The STi came with a 2L 280hp engine. He said that now there are regulations on these cars because of insurance. I told him in North America the STi is 300 hp. It may also to do with emissions. Although the lates news from a Subie sealer that the 2010 Sti's are gonna have 365hp. Now that is a nice improvement. No word on yet about the Evo, but there are talks it is also going up in HP. Lets wait 'till late summer and find out!

[sjd]

If you want a real rally car, buy the Evo or STi and pay $200,000 to send it to Europe and get Prodrive to give it a once over.

I think you were missing at least a 0, if not more. I think a WRC car can cost close to half a million bucks.

WRC cars are purpose built race cars and share less than 10% of their parts with their road-going counterparts (still more than NASCAR) but the automakers have to homologate a production model that becomes the basis for the race car. They are limited in displacement to 2.0 litres which is why the cars in Europe and Japan are 2.0 litres, those markets also don't mind higher strung peaky powerplants whereas Americans like torque and smoothness, hence the bump in displacement.

[Fobio]

$20,000 with Pro-drive might get you a set of wheels, a roll cage, and maybe an exhaust...hehe...I tend to agree, it'll likely be upwards of $200K+ to build a proper rally car.

[andyh921]

test drove an evo x in vancouver (they let you test drive without a annoying sales person sitting beside you). i didn't like the clutch, it was way too soft in my opinion. the interior was really cheap as well. i would not trade my speed 3 for an evo x.

[Zspeed]

test drove an evo x in vancouver (they let you test drive without a annoying sales person sitting beside you). i didn't like the clutch, it was way too soft in my opinion. the interior was really cheap as well. i would not trade my speed 3 for an evo x.

I hear you. I also did feel that the clutch was too soft and grabbed right at the top of the pedal. The dash was so cheap I thought I was in a used Hyundai Accent. The power also didnt impress me. I'm keeping my MS3
for sure. :)

[andyh921]

I hear you. I also did feel that the clutch was too soft and grabbed right at the top of the pedal. The dash was so cheap I thought I was in a used Hyundai Accent. The power also didnt impress me. I'm keeping my MS3
for sure. :)

i did like the shifter though, very smooth :P

but yah, good decision on keeping your MS3. i personally think that the evo IX was much better.

[Zspeed]

I agree. My friend just brought in an Evo VIII from the states and it's a buch better handling and performing car. It's a blast to drive. He would never give it up for and Evo X.

[andyh921]

I agree. My friend just brought in an Evo VIII from the states and it's a buch better handling and performing car. It's a blast to drive. He would never give it up for and Evo X.

he better not lol

[Zspeed]

After all it's a fact that we should keep our MS3's and not spend the extra money on something over rated! :)

[andyh921]

After all it's a fact that we should keep our MS3's and not spend the extra money on something over rated! :)

and don't get the 2010 speed 3.... it's down right ugly....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8es7FKasGmA

[Fokma]

Wow what a coincidence. I'm heading to Burlington Autopark either on Thursday or Tuesday to test drive the Evo X, and I'm debating whether to get that or the new Speed3. I was kinda curious of what this TTSC was in the Evo MR so I was going to test drive that, but guarantee if I did get one it would be the GSR just for the 5-Speed control.

Though what makes me nervous is the claims of these horrendous gas mileage claims. On paper it looks fairly equivalent to most cars, can't see why it'd be so bad, unless the reports are coming from someone with their foot pinned to the floor at every stop light.

[Zspeed]

Wow what a coincidence. I'm heading to Burlington Autopark either on Thursday or Tuesday to test drive the Evo X, and I'm debating whether to get that or the new Speed3. I was kinda curious of what this TTSC was in the Evo MR so I was going to test drive that, but guarantee if I did get one it would be the GSR just for the 5-Speed control.

Though what makes me nervous is the claims of these horrendous gas mileage claims. On paper it looks fairly equivalent to most cars, can't see why it'd be so bad, unless the reports are coming from someone with their foot pinned to the floor at every stop light.

That is where I went. The interior is cheaper then cheap and very very basic. I also heard from guys that they trying to get rid of them because of fuel consumption in the forums. Just do some research and dont be in a rush to purchase one. Keep in mind that the Evo X you be buying will be an 08 inventory and the 2010 will be out in June with some more ponies and refinments. :)

[Fokma]

That is where I went. The interior is cheaper then cheap and very very basic. I also heard from guys that they trying to get rid of them because of fuel consumption in the forums. Just do some research and dont be in a rush to purchase one. Keep in mind that the Evo X you be buying will be an 08 inventory and the 2010 will be out in June with some more ponies and refinments. :)

Wow... consumption is that bad. Not liking that considering it runs on premium, and insurance is quite significantly more then the Speed3. Guess I'll be going for the Speed3 then.

You're right, it is good to take your time. Right now I'm just test driving every car that catches my interest, but I'm not planning to buy until July, because at this time my mind is set on the Speed3. Be more affordable for me anyways.

Any opinions on the RX8? As a car about the driving experience, not necessarily speed, I know it isn't as fast as the Speed3.

[Zspeed]

Wow... consumption is that bad. Not liking that considering it runs on premium, and insurance is quite significantly more then the Speed3. Guess I'll be going for the Speed3 then.

You're right, it is good to take your time. Right now I'm just test driving every car that catches my interest, but I'm not planning to buy until July, because at this time my mind is set on the Speed3. Be more affordable for me anyways.

Any opinions on the RX8? As a car about the driving experience, not necessarily speed, I know it isn't as fast as the Speed3.

The RX8 is a nice car. Although it is stiffer then the speed 3 so you have to like that kind of car as a DD. It is not a fast car by all means,but it is fun to drive. I dont know if I would like it for every day use. Also the new RX8's are coming out for 2010 so maybe its worth the wait if you not in a hurry.

[alhope34]

RWD would be fun but the RX-8 is way too slow for me. When you take the price and fuel economy into account, it just gets worse...

[Unoriginalusername]

RWD would be fun but the RX-8 is way too slow for me. When you take the price and fuel economy into account, it just gets worse...

x2

[laksman91]

I'm sorry to chime in, but I think the MS3 and the EVO X are in two different catagories and are not comparable. The Evo is on another level.

[alhope34]

Evo VII or VIII or even IX maybe. The new Evo isn't what it used to be. It's gotten soft and heavy. I can't say anything for ride comfortability seeing as how I have never been in any Evo, but I can say I really dislike the dash and quality of the interior is said to be poor even compared to the MS3/MZ3. The Evo isn't even that fast on the highway which is where it would normally be driven. 80km/h+ stock vs stock I'd think the MS3 can at least keep beside an Evo. I had no problem the other week overtaking an '09 STi on the highway. I know I'm modded, but I could hear his exhaust full volume as I was comming up behind him (he started accelerating before me) then a few seconds later all he heard was mine as I was passing him. :chuckle

[Fobio]

I'm sorry to chime in, but I think the MS3 and the EVO X are in two different catagories and are not comparable. The Evo is on another level.

Agreed...but it does make a strong case for how capable the MS3 is, and the segment of customers it's drawing away from the likes of Subaru and Mitsubishi.

[laksman91]

For 1/4 miles, and general tracking the Evo X would outpreform the MS3. It's got pretty good handling and straight line speed. And mod-ability wise, they are both similar.

[alhope34]

For 1/4 miles, and general tracking the Evo X would outpreform the MS3. It's got pretty good handling and straight line speed. And mod-ability wise, they are both similar.

Well for me personally, 1/4 mile is a yawn and I'm not out tracking every day. I'd rather take the car with better fuel effiency, better looking interior, better looking exterior, cheaper insurance, cheaper price, and similar highway acceleration (unmodded). IMHO the new Evo isn't worth the price Mitsu is asking. Especially with a 5 speed manual. That's just rediculous. A 6 speed belongs in a track tuned car. Even if the 5-speed Evo was the same price as the MS3, I would rather take the MS3. By no means am I trying to say the MS3 is the best car in the world, it was just the best for my likes and my wants that I could afford at this time in my life.

[Zspeed]

X2 al!

[SL3VIN]

Honestly if i were to spend 40K on a car i would pick none of those... i would rather buy a 370z at that price.
nothing like a good RWD car... much improved from the 350

[Zspeed]

Still the MS3 is the best bang for the buck!

[silvermist99]

The RX8 is a nice car. Although it is stiffer then the speed 3 so you have to like that kind of car as a DD. It is not a fast car by all means,but it is fun to drive. I dont know if I would like it for every day use. Also the new RX8's are coming out for 2010 so maybe its worth the wait if you not in a hurry.

rx8 definately not a stiffer riding car then speed3. Not sure about the new version with 19s. But the old ones ride far smoother.

[Unoriginalusername]

For 1/4 miles, and general tracking the Evo X would outpreform the MS3. It's got pretty good handling and straight line speed. And mod-ability wise, they are both similar.

evos can make more than the 350whp that the MS3 can, way bigger mod support/after market if you have the coin

[Fokma]

So I test drove the EVO GSR (or is it GRS) yesterday. Gotta say, very impressed with the performance and handling of the car. You can feel its rally roots, and the sense of acceleration and limitless control would make you buy that car without thinking. Unfortunately, as a I was warned, very disappointing once you stop looking out the windshield and down at the console. Plastic? 1990's stereo system? It's gotta be a joke right? Car is overpriced for what you're getting. I'd spend 35 for the base Evo, and 40 if you could get nav and a decent stereo system, with a couple extras. Who knows, we'll see what the 2009 model offers. If the Speed3 comes close to the Evo in acceleration and handling, I won't even consider the evo. (Yes i know one is AWD and the other is FWD).

[Zspeed]

So I test drove the EVO GSR (or is it GRS) yesterday. Gotta say, very impressed with the performance and handling of the car. You can feel its rally roots, and the sense of acceleration and limitless control would make you buy that car without thinking. Unfortunately, as a I was warned, very disappointing once you stop looking out the windshield and down at the console. Plastic? 1990's stereo system? It's gotta be a joke right? Car is overpriced for what you're getting. I'd spend 35 for the base Evo, and 40 if you could get nav and a decent stereo system, with a couple extras. Who knows, we'll see what the 2009 model offers. If the Speed3 comes close to the Evo in acceleration and handling, I won't even consider the evo. (Yes i know one is AWD and the other is FWD).

Wait untill the 2010 speed3 comes out.

[Mafty]

which dealer has one?

the one in newmarket has a Evo and a ralliart. ones 41,000 the other is 32,000. They honestly look IDENTICAL side by side, minus the little black plastic side piece, and one has brembo's :P

[Zspeed]

I did drive the Ralliart. It's almost as quick as the EVO. But to me still looks like a rental car.

[sjd]

the one in newmarket has a Evo and a ralliart. ones 41,000 the other is 32,000. They honestly look IDENTICAL side by side, minus the little black plastic side piece, and one has brembo's :P

When I saw them side by side the Evo looked much more aggressive starting with the flared fenders.

[Zspeed]

When I saw them side by side the Evo looked much more aggressive starting with the flared fenders.

I'm just saying performance wise the ralliart was pretty quick. Not that big a difference between the two cars. Have you driven both?

[sjd]

I'm just saying performance wise the ralliart was pretty quick. Not that big a difference between the two cars. Have you driven both?

I've only driven the Evo. Both the GSR and MR. I've heard good things from people who have driven the Ralliart and liked it a lot. I think it might make the better daily driver than the Evo.

[unnervingfalcon]

The new Sti is not an attractive car anymore unfortunatelly. I rather buy like on 07 sti. It is meaner,sleeker and faster.

Actually the new STi is faster than the old version. You can see a video done in Japan comparing them on YouTube. The interior is 10 times better too. I was looking at buying one but the $8000 more broke the deal.

[laksman91]

I have the ralliart and if insurance wasn't a pain. I wouldve wished I had an evo. For comparison purposes the ralliart is comparable to the speed3. The ralliart feels fast but I've read the ms3 is generally faster.

[Zspeed]

I have the ralliart and if insurance wasn't a pain. I wouldve wished I had an evo. For comparison purposes the ralliart is comparable to the speed3. The ralliart feels fast but I've read the ms3 is generally faster.

How is the ralliart in gas? I heard the EVO's are really hard. Did you get the one with a navi package?

[laksman91]

How is the ralliart in gas? I heard the EVO's are really hard. Did you get the one with a navi package?

Not particularly good on gas. I do like 99% city driving and my trip to school isn't pleasant. I get a lot of stop signs, speed bumps and 40 roads so that definitely kills my gas mileage. However, I did manage to get 9.2L/100km in a trip i made (all city). The usual is around 12-13L/100km. I noticed it tends to get lower with warmer temperatures.

Yup, I got the one with the navi package. Love it :hawt

[Zspeed]

For the price with the nave, you could of bought an EVO gsr without navi. They are pretty close in price. How much was that car after taxes?

I was thinking to get one as for my girlfriend cant drive stick and would be better for the both of us. I'm just not sure if I'm a 100% convinced.

[laksman91]

Yeah I'm aware I could have got the GSR but being 18 soon insurance will not be fun so I stuck to the Ralliart. Iirc it was 42 OTD

[Zspeed]

That is expensive. You could of bought a speed 3 and have lot's of money left over for mods! :)

[brecker]

Yeah I'm aware I could have got the GSR but being 18 soon insurance will not be fun so I stuck to the Ralliart. Iirc it was 42 OTD

That's just insane. Literally. 18 yrs old and spending that money on that car. Was it a present?

:gone

[Zspeed]

I think Mitsubishi's are overpriced.