2010 MS3 Debuts TODAY in Geneva (officially)

[Unoriginalusername]

Keep checking online throughout the day, haven't seen anything yet but the official details should be out any time now :)

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/auto_shows/2009_geneva_auto_show_auto_shows
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/auto_shows/2009_geneva_auto_show_auto_shows/production_debuts/2010_mazdaspeed_3_auto_shows

Mazda is saving the juicy details for the car’s debut on March 3. Check back then when we kick off our coverage of the 2009 Geneva auto show.

http://www.mazdausamedia.com/content/all-new-2010-mazdaspeed3-debut-2009-geneva-motor-show

RVINE, Calif. - Mazda Motor Corporation will showcase the world premiere of the all-new 2010 MAZDASPEED3 (MPS Axela in Japan, MAZDA3 MPS in Europe) at the 2009 Geneva International Motor Show* on March 3, 2009. The much-anticipated introduction of Mazda's high-performance version of the MAZDA3 5-door sport compact - already one of the world's fastest and quickest front-wheel-drive cars -- will begin at 7:30 a.m. (local time) at the Mazda booth.

The 2010 MAZDASPEED3 blends five-door functionality with bolder, more aggressive styling and exhilarating performance to meet the needs of enthusiasts with active lifestyles. Carrying forward the MZR 2.3L direct injection turbo engine, the new MAZDASPEED3 builds on the popularity and recognition of the previous model by staying true to its Zoom-Zoom spirit and adding a fresh new look. Nagare-inspired design cues wrap the exterior and continue into the cabin, which features color coordination and materials inspired by sports fashion.

The MAZDASPEED3 is the third model in the 2010 MAZDA3 lineup, joining the MAZDA3 5-door, which made its North American debut at the North American International Auto Show earlier this year, and the 4-door sedan, which made its world debut at the Los Angeles Auto Show last November.

Headquartered in Irvine, Calif., Mazda North American Operations oversees the sales, marketing, parts and customer service support of Mazda vehicles in the United States, Canada and Mexico through nearly 900 dealers. Operations in Canada are managed by Mazda Canada, Inc., located in Ontario, Canada, and in Mexico by Mazda Motor de Mexico in Mexico City.

* Officially titled the 79e Salon International de l'Auto, the Geneva Motor Show press days are March 3 and 4, and the public days are March 5 through 15.

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[Mazda3X2]

Nice pictures. I'm still not sold on the exterior, but like the interior a lot. Factory boost gauge too, nice!

Still thinking 1st gen Mazdaspeed3 FTW.

[swales]

It's past 7:30am local time, where's our details!

[x_o_k_x]

omg cant wait!:bana2

[Pilzz]

Nice pictures. I'm still not sold on the exterior, but like the interior a lot. Factory boost gauge too, nice!

Still thinking 1st gen Mazdaspeed3 FTW.

+1 for the 1st GEN MS3. Glad to have my car now even more (looks way better than the new ones). The new speed3 looks like a toy car. LOL

[JordanAndrew]

Nice pictures. I'm still not sold on the exterior, but like the interior a lot. Factory boost gauge too, nice!

Still thinking 1st gen Mazdaspeed3 FTW.


I have to agree on this one too, the exterior really reminds me of a toyota. The interior is nice, except for the steering wheel. There's too many things going on. I love the stock deck though, reminds me of a stock G37 deck.

[Fobio]

I love my car, but I'm glad that (and a little jealous) our 1st gen car is going to spawn a legacy...all Mazdaspeed products are something special (the MX5 and MS6 included), but have not spawned a 2nd gen...so that fact that the MS3 is spawning a 2nd gen means good things for us.

Now, we just have to wait til some whipper-snapper with a new one come in to talk some smack...

[Unoriginalusername]

I did like the concept more...
http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics/679/gallery/Mazda_tokyo_auto_salon_003.jpg

that being said, this thread is for the official details vs. the frugly factor

[Pereira11]

The wheels look like the RX-8 R3 package 19's

[Gizzmo_jr]

Need the spec's, that'll make or break this car.

[kid_icarus]

dang i wouldn't mind an interior swap as well
the outside i could live with
it looks like a hybrid matrix with a hoodscoop lol

like others have already said

[MSMitch]

This is what I found out:
The quick a dirty - NO AWD, NO change in power torque (at least European version)
Better mileage, same size brakes, slightly revised 6-spd
Aside form a very nice looking interior - I am even more thrilled to own the 1st version!!!!

>>
Earlier today we showed you the first images of the European-spec 2010 Mazda3 MPS, known to us as the Mazdaspeed3, and there's no mistaking it for its predecessor. Yet, under the shiny new skin, the changes aren't quite as pronounced -- not that we'd say that's a bad thing.

That's because behind that smiling face is a familiar car, one that we've grown to love for its bargain performance. Mazda's 2.3L turbocharged and direct-injected engine still resides between the front tires and sends power to them via a six-speed manual transmission, whose ratios have been revised for smoother acceleration. Power in this European-spec car is unchanged from 2009, still sitting at a healthy 256 hp and 280 lb-ft. It's good for 0 to 62 mph sprints of 6.1 seconds and a governed top speed of 155 mph, just like the last Euro-spec car. It also wears the same 12.6-in front and 11.0-in rear brakes as the old car, though Mazda has now added electronic Brake Assist to the ABS and stability control systems to keep everything in check.

What's new then? Well, the Mazdaspeed3, known as the Mazda3 MPS in Europe, now meets the strict Euro-V emissions standards thanks to the world's first single-nanotechnology catalytic converter. It's also more efficient, returning 26 mpg combined on the Euro-cycle, an improvement of nearly two mpg over the old car despite a 0.01 increase in the drag coefficient from 0.31 to 0.32. Mazda has also beefed up the frame around the front cowl and rear suspension to stiffen the car up and improve the handling. They even took it out to the Nurburgring to sort out the suspension and make it more stable in turns and especially over broken or wavy pavement. Wider tires on new 18-in wheels no doubt help the cornering performance as well.

The biggest changes, though, are skin-deep. The new Mazdaspeed3's Nagare-style grinning grille remains largely the same up front, but features reworked air intakes that feed passing air to the brakes more efficiently. Also of note on the front clip is the deletion of lower ducts set below the fog lights. More aggressive side skirts continue the Mazdaspeed theme along the flanks and to the rear, the enhancements culminate with a blacked-out rear diffuser sporting a dual exhaust. A more pronounced wing also perches above the five-door's hatchback. Bolder fenders house the larger wheel and tire setup, while the bulging hood features a gaping scoop to feed the intercooler.

The Euro-spec and U.S.-spec Mazdaspeed3 aren't identical, but the Mazda3 MPS should give us a pretty good idea of what to expect from the U.S. model. Though the U.S. car is more powerful than the Euro model, turning out 263 hp and 280 lb-ft, it looks as though we may not see a power increase either. Mazda has also put to bed rumors of an AWD Mazdaspeed3, telling Motor Trend that the AWD system that would fit the car takes up too much space and wouldn't stand up to the power of the Mazdaspeed3's engine. We'll find out all the exact specs on the U.S. model when it debuts at the New York Auto Show in April 2009.

[swales]

So in other words, the hype is nothing and we have to wait until April

[Unoriginalusername]

So in other words, the hype is nothing and we have to wait until April

boooooo

[Fobio]

I'm interested in more deatils about these cowl and rear suspension strengthening...

[FLIPDADY]

They should've at least put Recaro seats in there. Although the new seats are very supportive.

[mleblond]

Ill be the first one to trade mine in :)

[froggy]

It looks like a 4 dr version of the Puegot 206 rally car but with a hoodscoop.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Peugeot_206_WRC_-_Side_view.jpg/800px-Peugeot_206_WRC_-_Side_view.jpg

[Fobio]

Ill be the first one to trade mine in :)

why am I not surprised?...lol...I have to admit that thought did cross my mind as well coming back to work from lunch. Than I mashed the throttle a little and I felt a little better...

[mleblond]

why am I not surprised?...lol...I have to admit that thought did cross my mind as well coming back to work from lunch. Than I mashed the throttle a little and I felt a little better...

Hahaha yes, but I will wait for the incentives ;) No wonder my dealer has my number on speed dial :chuckle

More info here: http://mazda3revolution.com/

Just not sure what the Canadian model will have/not have...

[Unoriginalusername]

Hahaha yes, but I will wait for the incentives ;) No wonder my dealer has my number on speed dial :chuckle

More info here: http://mazda3revolution.com/

Just not sure what the Canadian model will have/not have...

less features and higher price than the us model just like last time if mazda gets their way lol :chuckle

[cereal83]

KPA boost gauge? Blah. Too bad it can't be switched for PSI

[swales]

I'm not impressed at all by the new specs. I know our cars will be different but if anything, like unoriginalusername said, it will probably be less features...lol I think I'll be sticking with my current model until they release a 2010.5 or '11 model with actual worthy upgrades

[Unoriginalusername]

KPA boost gauge? Blah. Too bad it can't be switched for PSI

lol the north american model will, this is the UK/MPS model shown

[craigrodrigues88]

I am torn, I don't know whether I hate it or love it. I am very surprised that there has been no power increase considering there was an "extreme" version in Australia with higher power numbers. One thing I can't wait to see in person is this new interior! Other than that though, kind of upsetting.

[cereal83]

lol the north american model will, this is the UK/MPS model shown

Hopefully its that way. My SS came with KPA but I was luckily able to drop in a PSI gauge and that was the end of that.

Quick, who knows what 195 kpa is in PSI? lol I don't

[sjd]

So in other words, the hype is nothing and we have to wait until April

No, the hype is for European buyers. :)

I mentioned in the other thread that it will be a while for NA specs and as you now know it will ne in New York on April 8th. I'll let you guys know as soon as I can.

[Fobio]

No, the hype is for European buyers. :)

I mentioned in the other thread that it will be a while for NA specs and as you now know it will ne in New York on April 8th. I'll let you guys know as soon as I can.

Hey Steve...last year, Mazda had a "Arrive and Drive" test session with the new Mazda6...would be nice if you invited a bunch of of us to the launch of the 2010 MS3 in Toronto. =)

Party @ Muzik? Bikini models with Super Soakers?!...lol...

[swales]

No, the hype is for European buyers. :)

I mentioned in the other thread that it will be a while for NA specs and as you now know it will ne in New York on April 8th. I'll let you guys know as soon as I can.

Ya but with all the notices on the US website and all the NA magazines, I think there was more hype in NA then in Europe (where the car really isn't that popular)

[jonjon72]

More pics on the MS3 plus some details that have already been mentioned....

http://www.autoblog.com/

[jonjon72]

Sorry....here you go.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/04/geneva-2009-2010-mazdaspeed3-mps-grin-and-bear-it/

[Mafty]

i dont like how the side lines from the body dont match the front quarter panels, it just looks really weird how those lines dont match up, its almost like two totatly different people designed the front half and the back half of this car and just stuck it together.

[swales]

The pre-launch photo's looked okay, but the pics from the show make it look as crappy as the regular 3. Glad I got a last gen version

[huyzel]

The interior is nice.... would have been nicer if they stuck with the piano black trim from 08.5-09

[x_o_k_x]

i like it, except in performance wise I expected to be a bit better not the same!

[michaljerzy86]

the only thing i like about the ms3 is the hood, other than that i love my 2010 3 much more than the 2010 ms3

[mleblond]

the only thing i like about the ms3 is the hood, other than that i love my 2010 3 much more than the 2010 ms3


but you don't have boost :loco

[cereal83]

lolz

[Fobio]

but you don't have boost :loco

what's boost?...is that's like 3 v-tech's?

:gone

[ramboh]

It's interesting how what's "in-style" changes. I was just browing through the pics on page 1 of the new MS3 and then scrolling down to a pic of the current gen one and I think the new gen MS3 makes the old one look, well, old. It's by no means ugly, but to me it looks obviously dated when compared side-by-side.

[07Speedfreak]

Very nice interior but not digging at all the exterior and new lines of the car. Original version MS3 FTW (08.5 for the extras)

[sjd]

Hey Steve...last year, Mazda had a "Arrive and Drive" test session with the new Mazda6...would be nice if you invited a bunch of of us to the launch of the 2010 MS3 in Toronto. =)

Party @ Muzik? Bikini models with Super Soakers?!...lol...

LOL. You never know.


Ya but with all the notices on the US website and all the NA magazines, I think there was more hype in NA then in Europe (where the car really isn't that popular)

You're right, the U.S. is the car's largest market but remember the 2007 MS3 debuted at Geneva as well.

[mazdas3sporte]

if I had a choice between 2010 speed 3 and subaru wrx 265 i would choose the subi 265 hands down, theres nothing aggresive about the new speed 3 , and FWD turbo is a nono

edit, I just noticed the power output went from 263 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque to 256 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque,

WTF!!@ I thought they would at least add 10 Hp lool, they actually cut the power output, I dont care how good the handling is, the weight increase should have meant more Hp and TQ .... weird

[Olestra]

if I had a choice between 2010 speed 3 and subaru wrx 265 i would choose the subi 265 hands down, theres nothing aggresive about the new speed 3 , and FWD turbo is a nono

edit, I just noticed the power output went from 263 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque to 256 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque,

WTF!!@ I thought they would at least at 10 Hp lool, they actually cut the power output, I dont care how good the handling is, the weight increase should have meant more Hp and TQ .... weird

Don't get too worked up.
Those are the Euro numbers, the NA numbers are yet to be released, which is what everyone is talking about in the past few posts.
Euro numbers are lower even in the current gen MS3.

[sjd]

FWD turbo is a nono

I'm sure there are a few Mazdaspeed3 owners here who would disagree. lol.

[mazdas3sporte]

yea Iam sure they are lol or they would not have purchased the car, but 265 Hp is too much for a FWD car, theres more torque steer way way more wheel spin even with the limited slip on , I hope the U.S spec power rating are higher than the Euro ratings,

[Fobio]

^^^lol...my friend, you sound like a reasonable man...find a ride in a even lightly modded MS3 w/ a decent driver, and you'll be pleasantly surprised.

sorry to burst bubbles...but a MS3 is not just an upgraded MZ3 with more power.

[Unoriginalusername]

yea Iam sure they are lol or they would not have purchased the car, but 265 Hp is too much for a FWD car, theres more torque steer way way more wheel spin even with the limited slip on , I hope the U.S spec power rating are higher than the Euro ratings,

??? FWD can't handle 265hp, next line... I hope the NA version has more power?

you guys are funny with all your pretend reviews lol.

[Unoriginalusername]

For you torque steer newbie people... I shot this video holding onto the camera and the wheel with one hand and shifted gears with the other hand. Doesn't like like any torque steer to me. Most family sedans with 200hp v6's have way more tq. steer than the ms3 does

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RlhpTFq6ec&feature=channel

[Thrizzl3]

i want someone to prove mazda wrong that the new speed 3 can handle an AWD system by adding a compatible chassis that can house a rear differential.

[Unoriginalusername]

i want someone to prove mazda wrong that the new speed 3 can handle an AWD system by adding a compatible chassis that can house a rear differential.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Rn_shEBbs

Its been proven already, its just mazda doesn't think they'd sell as many and they are probally right. if you want to send a message, don't buy the fwd one then, but when you make it the best selling hot hatchback it will be hard to change their mind

[swales]

you guys are funny with all your pretend reviews lol.

Esp from guys who don't even own a MS3....lol

[mazdas3sporte]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=10&article_id=7829

[alhope34]

My 165 hp Probe had gobs of torque steer, my MS3 does not. I know what torque steer is and I know the MS3 has none of it. People who have never actually driven an MS3 the way it is meant to be driven will never understand just how well everything in the car was put together. I'm dyno'd at 281 whp, so +15% I'm at 323 crank hp. There are many, many more MS3's making more power than mine and the chassis, suspension, fwd system can easily handle that much power and torque.

[Big Dad]

My 165 hp Probe had gobs of torque steer, my MS3 does not. I know what torque steer is and I know the MS3 has none of it. People who have never actually driven an MS3 the way it is meant to be driven will never understand just how well everything in the car was put together. I'm dyno'd at 281 whp, so +15% I'm at 323 crank hp. There are many, many more MS3's making more power than mine and the chassis, suspension, fwd system can easily handle that much power and torque.


100% Agree!:)

[MRT_MS3]

Esp from guys who don't even own a MS3....lol lmao :chuckle

[andyh921]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8es7FKasGmA

i don't know, maybe it's just me, but the 2010 speed 3 is so ugly......

my opinion only.

[baymoe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Rn_shEBbs

Its been proven already, its just mazda doesn't think they'd sell as many and they are probally right. if you want to send a message, don't buy the fwd one then, but when you make it the best selling hot hatchback it will be hard to change their mind

OMG, someone please put that drivetrain on my sedan!

I want to see a Speed3 sedan dangit :bang

[5_Alive]

My 165 hp Probe had gobs of torque steer, my MS3 does not. I know what torque steer is and I know the MS3 has none of it. People who have never actually driven an MS3 the way it is meant to be driven will never understand just how well everything in the car was put together. I'm dyno'd at 281 whp, so +15% I'm at 323 crank hp. There are many, many more MS3's making more power than mine and the chassis, suspension, fwd system can easily handle that much power and torque.

So true..

[Unoriginalusername]

OMG, someone please put that drivetrain on my sedan!

I want to see a Speed3 sedan dangit :bang

done

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=23255&highlight=oakville+speed

[unnervingfalcon]

ugh..... kinda looks like a Toyota Matrix. I like the look of the old one better on the exterior.

[Fokma]

It's interesting how what's "in-style" changes. I was just browing through the pics on page 1 of the new MS3 and then scrolling down to a pic of the current gen one and I think the new gen MS3 makes the old one look, well, old. It's by no means ugly, but to me it looks obviously dated when compared side-by-side.

I'd agree with you on that. The old MS3 is showing it's age. I love the look of the new one. I guess Mazda attracted a lot of people to it with its tame look. I find this one looks extremely aggressive despite the smile.

[Mty Mous]

I'm thinking that with the first gen MS3 you can easily stay under the radar when the Po-Po is around, but with this new MS3 and that HUGE looking hoodscoop its gonna be that much harder to blend in.

I saw a white second gen M3 sport on Hwy7 2 days ago and it sure looked good, I only saw it from the rear angle tho ... I can't wait to see the new MS3 with dual exhaust, should look that much better!
Still undecided on the front end, but I'll reserve my judgement for when I see one in person.

[007]

My expectations for the new 2010 Speed 3:
- 2.5L Turbo engine pulling over 300hp at the crank.
- More power, did I said more power?
- Killer aggressive look
- Racing seats
- Brembo brakes
- Big 19in wheels
- And a few more goodies.

What the new 2010 Speed 3 has:
- Same 2.3L engine
- Same power
- Sissi look (more to please my grandma then a sports car fan)
That front bumber is non sense:loco
- Ugly seats (current speed 3 seats are waaaaaaaay better)
- No brembo brakes
- Ugly new version of snowflakes 18in
- But hey, it has a few new goodies.

Not worth changing my Speed 3.
Subie WRX 265 is a much better option, or 2009 Speed 3.

[kid_icarus]

My expectations for the new 2010 Speed 3:
- 2.5L Turbo engine pulling over 300hp at the crank.
- More power, did I said more power?
- Killer aggressive look
- Racing seats
- Brembo brakes
- Big 19in wheels
- And a few more goodies.

What the new 2010 Speed 3 has:
- Same 2.3L engine
- Same power
- Sissi look (more to please my grandma then a sports car fan)
That front bumber is non sense:loco
- Ugly seats (current speed 3 seats are waaaaaaaay better)
- No brembo brakes
- Ugly new version of snowflakes 18in
- But hey, it has a few new goodies.

Not worth changing my Speed 3.
Subie WRX 265 is a much better option, or 2009 Speed 3.

get a new hyundai genesis coupe.
you'll get your brembo brakes there =)

not being sarcastic either.
that car looks pretty slick.

[007]

Saw it. Looks great, but it's a 2 door car, and a big f... sedan.
Who in hell can live with a 2 doors car?
A single man, no kids, who consider Golfing as an extreme sport??

The V6 gets you the 300hp and has brembo brakes.
The L4 is Turbo with 200hp.

Note sure about the 0-100 and 1/4 mile performance.
And it's a Hyundai.

No thanks.
Will keep my 2008 Speed 3 for a while, or should I swap, will go for a Subie.

[Unoriginalusername]

get a new hyundai genesis coupe.
you'll get your brembo brakes there =)

not being sarcastic either.
that car looks pretty slick.

I test drove one on Saturday with my dad... guy handed me the keys and said see you in a bit, that was his first mistake. Long story short is the car is way better than i was expecting it to be. based on the reviews i was anticipating slow, poor build quality and overall disappointment however the opposite was true.

I've driven several G35's and find them to be slow so i was expecting about the same omph from the hyundai mill. It was far more peppy and with the cooler temps had no problem glazing the tires into a nice drift on a few corners (mostly because the tires were nothing special, it was cool, and the pavement was smooth/aged and likely still has some salt on it) but none the less, more fun than i would have thought.

The cabin was pretty well put together also... at the end of the day the gen coupe starts not sounding like a bad idea until you look at the $38k price tag and remember that a 420hp Camaro SS starts at 37k.... then there is the mustang, or WRX 265 or MS3 for that matter for less money and all of a sudden it seems like a horrible idea and becomes a car that i can't see making sense to anyone. but if someone walks in, drives it i can see themselves in a moment of not thinking things through fully signing the papers

[jonjon72]

My expectations for the new 2010 Speed 3:
- 2.5L Turbo engine pulling over 300hp at the crank.
- More power, did I said more power?
- Killer aggressive look
- Racing seats
- Brembo brakes
- Big 19in wheels
- And a few more goodies.

What the new 2010 Speed 3 has:
- Same 2.3L engine
- Same power
- Sissi look (more to please my grandma then a sports car fan)
That front bumber is non sense:loco
- Ugly seats (current speed 3 seats are waaaaaaaay better)
- No brembo brakes
- Ugly new version of snowflakes 18in
- But hey, it has a few new goodies.

Not worth changing my Speed 3.
Subie WRX 265 is a much better option, or 2009 Speed 3.


I agree.....the WRX 265 would be a great option.

[DruidB]

I see alot of talk about the seats being "ugly"... lol perhaps.. but i would reserve judgment until you sit in them and see if they are better/worse than the previous seats... maybe its function over form

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

I see alot of talk about the seats being "ugly"... lol perhaps.. but i would reserve judgment until you sit in them and see if they are better/worse than the previous seats... maybe its function over form

The seats being ugly have zero to do with functionality and are a purely visual opinion based solely on the pics posted here.

Functionality on the other hand, is an entirely different quanifiable point and opinion. That said, the seats are simply butt farking ugly. Whether they are an actual improvement over the previous generations seat in terms of support and overall sport functionality remains to be seen. However, I didn't see anything in the pictures that would suggest they are improved in any way.

[007]

In today's competitive world, form and function is a must to survive.
And while many competitors can do both, why not Mazda? Jus to save some coins IMO.




I see alot of talk about the seats being "ugly"... lol perhaps.. but i would reserve judgment until you sit in them and see if they are better/worse than the previous seats... maybe its function over form

[DruidB]

In today's competitive world, form and function is a must to survive.
And while many competitors can do both, why not Mazda? Jus to save some coins IMO.

I guess... but really.. they are not ugly compaired to most seats... just not as nice looking as the last MS3