Police car that looks like a Taxi IN TORONTO

[chinsterr]

Heads up guys ...

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Zeeman28a/miscellaneous/up-DGVK8RFCIBQ0FI94.jpg



This is getting out of control now. I don't think cops should be able to do this sort of thing.

[tweak_s]

that looks like a transformed KITT (Knight Rider) with the strobe on the front too LOL.

Agreed...that is MESSED up.

I mean, I was pissed off enough when I saw a white plain completely unmarked Volvo S40 light the hell up on the 401 and speed away..but this is ridicilous.

[SonicBoy]

Wow! That is sneaky. Curious, what's the phone number to?

[chinsterr]

Wow! That is sneaky. Curious, what's the phone number to?

The local police station ...

[Hives]

Thats pretty gay. I'd keep on driving. If worse comes to worse, I'll just be like I thought it was fake and someone was gonna rob me, or playing a prank b/c it doesen't seem like my tax dollars would ever be spent on such a dumbass idea by the city of Toronto.

[SilentJay]

That's REALLY gay, but the government/municipalities will do anything to have their hand in your wallet, even moreso than usual.

[-RJ3-]

About time they started to use taxis.. makes me wonder why they never thought of this before... all these damn taxi drivers,why didnt they us them as decoys. some of the personal taxi drivers try to pretend there cops too... gotta love the airfreshner discs to mimic gps radar lol

[VWisTROUBLE]

EWWWWW!!!!
That is definately no fun...
They're going way too far with this now...
Crown Vics always make me brake...until i'd see that little sign on the roof...
Now i cant even trust them :bang

[Darkfrosty7]

damn =\ i even saw a white civic that was a cop. this is getting really gay

[Youngun]

I feel bad for you guys up in Toronto, thats ****ed

[Aitch]

ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE WHEELS. I'm not perfect at it, but 99% of the time I can spot a cop car, even unmarked, by the fact it runs decent sized tires (not skinny winters) on black steelies with chrome centres. Almost always works.

[SL3VIN]

lately i been seeing unmarked beige and white gmc suv's too on the 401... this reminds me of Honolulu. Every cop car is a unmarked 4 runner or lancer...

[Scottobot]

... Meanwhile, somewhere else I'm sure someone's complaining that the cops aren't doing enough to catch bad drivers and keep the roads safe for the rest of us.

Personally I see nothing wrong with this at all. I'd wager that those infernal minivan drivers that never signal and drive their vehicles like weapons are a lot more careful when they see a police car, and therefore never get caught and don't have to pay for their bad driving until they have an accident. If I saw one such jerk cut off this police cab, I'd be so delighted I'd likely pee all over myself, laughing and pointing as I drove past, and my faith in karma and universal justice would be reaffirmed.

If you're a good driver, why worry about whether there are police around? If you get busted for speeding, blame yourself, not the police.

[Malcolm991]

Have you ever seen the work truck that parks on Cawthra rd and the cops dress up like workers and they actually are ticketing people. Mississauga's finest

[whiteomega]

... Meanwhile, somewhere else I'm sure someone's complaining that the cops aren't doing enough to catch bad drivers and keep the roads safe for the rest of us.

Personally I see nothing wrong with this at all. I'd wager that those infernal minivan drivers that never signal and drive their vehicles like weapons are a lot more careful when they see a police car, and therefore never get caught and don't have to pay for their bad driving until they have an accident. If I saw one such jerk cut off this police cab, I'd be so delighted I'd likely pee all over myself, laughing and pointing as I drove past, and my faith in karma and universal justice would be reaffirmed.

If you're a good driver, why worry about whether there are police around? If you get busted for speeding, blame yourself, not the police.

well said. if you are driving within the law, what have you got to worry about?

is this really any different than an unmarked cruiser?

[Scottobot]

I guess this is just taking the unmarked cruiser concept to a new level.
If people didn't drive like idiots when they thought no cops were around, the police wouldn't have to resort to these tactics.

[Aitch]

... Meanwhile, somewhere else I'm sure someone's complaining that the cops aren't doing enough to catch bad drivers and keep the roads safe for the rest of us.

Personally I see nothing wrong with this at all. I'd wager that those infernal minivan drivers that never signal and drive their vehicles like weapons are a lot more careful when they see a police car, and therefore never get caught and don't have to pay for their bad driving until they have an accident. If I saw one such jerk cut off this police cab, I'd be so delighted I'd likely pee all over myself, laughing and pointing as I drove past, and my faith in karma and universal justice would be reaffirmed.

If you're a good driver, why worry about whether there are police around? If you get busted for speeding, blame yourself, not the police.

Oh I completely agree. I almost never exceed 120km/h on the highways, and on the streets I try to keep within 15 km/h of the posted limit, both of which are changes from my younger days. Its not worth the hassle of tickets and I'd prefer to keep myself safe as well.

Having said that, I still keep a healthy eye out for the police, so that hopefully I don't get nabbed for the minor speeding I do, or the odd time I'm being more aggressive.

[mazdabetty]

Wowww that's insane...

And sometimes it's nice to say that you have nothing to worry about if you're a good driver and you don't exceed the limit blah blah blah... but come on guys... I think almost everyone knows, unless you're a total square, that sometimes there's just those days, whether it's a REALLY good song and you're in a REALLY good mood on a long stretch of road, or you're actually in a big rush, you can't help but go faster than the limit.

I dunno... there's a big difference in speeding when you're not really trying to, and when you're street racing/weaving in and out of traffic. It sucks to get pulled over if you hardly do it, knowing there's so many others who do it allllll the time and never get caught.

[Newlook]

damn =\ i even saw a white civic that was a cop. this is getting really gay

OPP have civic cruisers... I have seen a picture of a marked one in black with white doors.

[froggy]

i wonder what the judges would say about all this? they might say that whatever evidence was collected this way is inadmissible. I remember back when fantinio took over the opp and wanted to change the cars to black and white there was an issue with some law that stated cops cars had to be white and blue only, so that they would be easily recognizable to the general public and therefore safer to the community. I see that he was able to get around that with his black and white cars but with this?? I need to do some more research, does anyone know if the cop car legislation stuff would be with the HTA papers or somewhere else?

[ZeroChalk]

wow awesome... I support this. OMG, I wonder how many times people try to flag him over to get picked up. lol

[Xerox]

i wonder what the judges would say about all this? they might say that whatever evidence was collected this way is inadmissible. I remember back when fantinio took over the opp and wanted to change the cars to black and white there was an issue with some law that stated cops cars had to be white and blue only, so that they would be easily recognizable to the general public and therefore safer to the community. I see that he was able to get around that with his black and white cars but with this?? I need to do some more research, does anyone know if the cop car legislation stuff would be with the HTA papers or somewhere else?

Not sure about that. What about unmarked cruisers?

[omalak]

I like it.. there are alot of idiots out there.. unmarked cars are great..

The taxi idea is genious!

But Aitch got it right, you can always tell the cop car by its wheels..

And looking at the flip side it is better for the community.. hooligans always act nice/good when there are cop cars around, this way if someone is commiting a crime on the street what are the chances they will stop to look at what seems to be a taxi..

i like it!

[Go_Habs_Go]

... Meanwhile, somewhere else I'm sure someone's complaining that the cops aren't doing enough to catch bad drivers and keep the roads safe for the rest of us.

Personally I see nothing wrong with this at all. I'd wager that those infernal minivan drivers that never signal and drive their vehicles like weapons are a lot more careful when they see a police car, and therefore never get caught and don't have to pay for their bad driving until they have an accident. If I saw one such jerk cut off this police cab, I'd be so delighted I'd likely pee all over myself, laughing and pointing as I drove past, and my faith in karma and universal justice would be reaffirmed.

If you're a good driver, why worry about whether there are police around? If you get busted for speeding, blame yourself, not the police.


Agreed 100%.

If you speed, even 5, 10 or 15 km/h over the limit then you are OVER THE LIMIT. So if you get caught, you get caught and you should have known better. Don't blame the cops for doing their job. If you were driving at the speed limit then you wouldn't have gotten a ticket. Point finale.

I'd rather have hidden cop cars than photo radar, that's for sure.

[JashiK]

... Meanwhile, somewhere else I'm sure someone's complaining that the cops aren't doing enough to catch bad drivers and keep the roads safe for the rest of us.

Personally I see nothing wrong with this at all. I'd wager that those infernal minivan drivers that never signal and drive their vehicles like weapons are a lot more careful when they see a police car, and therefore never get caught and don't have to pay for their bad driving until they have an accident. If I saw one such jerk cut off this police cab, I'd be so delighted I'd likely pee all over myself, laughing and pointing as I drove past, and my faith in karma and universal justice would be reaffirmed.

If you're a good driver, why worry about whether there are police around? If you get busted for speeding, blame yourself, not the police.


I completely agree with you. If you're driving within the rules of the road who gives a shit if you have 5 cop cars driving next to you.

[slam525i]

I always thought police presence, when people see them, is a much better deterrent. I also think police need to be more open and answerable to the public (in this case, actually asking the public for their opinion). Whatever happened to the concept of consent policing?

Next up, new police station disguised as a donut shop . . . Actually...

[MikeyGT]

I propose to have under cover cops in cargo trucks !!!

[agm_ultimatex]

Thats pretty crazy. But you can tell the difference, as they drive less crazy than a cab driver ;)

[ZeroChalk]

I always thought police presence, when people see them, is a much better deterrent. I also think police need to be more open and answerable to the public (in this case, actually asking the public for their opinion). Whatever happened to the concept of consent policing?

Next up, new police station disguised as a donut shop . . . Actually...

this weekend I must have seen at least 10 police car's... everytime I went to run errands I would see one or two police cars. Weird.

Compare that to Vancouver and I barely saw 3 in the 2 weeks I was there.

[x_o_k_x]

I once saw old rusty chrysler beige minivan, with light strobes and police officer with green jacket inside.

[KenYork]

Now if pedestrians started hailing for that cab/cop, he'd have to stop for each one wouldn't he. After all they have to serve and protect. What if someone was in danger or needed help. Are they allowed to ignore other duties just caus they're assigned to traffic?

[Thrizzl3]

wow..i wonder if peel is going to do this to their cruisers

[Fobio]

I think there's a joke in there somewhere, about how if you see a taxi like that and a white guy is driving it, you'd know it's a cop car...:gone

[Thrizzl3]

I think there's a joke in there somewhere, about how if you see a taxi like that and a white guy is driving it, you'd know it's a cop car...:gone

HEYYY!!!! theres african-canadian cops tooo:chuckle

[Fuman]

But Aitch got it right, you can always tell the cop car by its wheels..

police cars sold to Taxi drivers keeps the 'police rims'.


I guess this is just taking the unmarked cruiser concept to a new level.
If people didn't drive like idiots when they thought no cops were around, the police wouldn't have to resort to these tactics.
The problem is if its a taxi, civic or another make/model vehicle that is not usually used by police, how am I suppose to know it is not some vigilantly?

I probably will not stop. I'd call 911 and head towards the closest police station I know.

[froggy]

i guess also if you're behind him look for the cab licence plate, and does that car have the little yellow "if blinking call 911" light. another sure tell. For those "stealth" cars the undercover ones that shine when you put your lights on to them they are actually blue, a dark blue mind you but still blue and the other ones are plain white. If you ask me the real reason for this is so that the cops in the car can drive like crazy without sticking out so much, that way they're a lot less likely to be called in and complained about from the public! Everyone will just think it's a taxi and take it for what it is, instead i just saw cop car xxxx running through an intersection without his lights or sirens on at x and y street.

[Fobio]

i guess also if you're behind him look for the cab licence plate, and does that car have the little yellow "if blinking call 911" light. another sure tell. For those "stealth" cars the undercover ones that shine when you put your lights on to them they are actually blue, a dark blue mind you but still blue and the other ones are plain white. If you ask me the real reason for this is so that the cops in the car can drive like crazy without sticking out so much, that way they're a lot less likely to be called in and complained about from the public! Everyone will just think it's a taxi and take it for what it is, instead i just saw cop car xxxx running through an intersection without his lights or sirens on at x and y street.

if he drives that taxi like it's meant to be driven ie. like a dick, and I cut him off and flip him the bird, would that still be entrapment? :chuckle

getting ticketed by a cop $90+
getting ticketed by a taxi $priceless

[SSmoked]

I think there's a joke in there somewhere, about how if you see a taxi like that and a white guy is driving it, you'd know it's a cop car...:gone

HAHAHA i was going to post that, but thought it would be too rude.

[FLIPDADY]

Someone should try and hail that cab.:chuckle

[sp3GT]

I completely agree with you. If you're driving within the rules of the road who gives a shit if you have 5 cop cars driving next to you.


That is not true, I've been pulled over twice not violating the law just because my car is modded. I didn't get a ticket for both times just verbal warning.

One time a officer bugging me about my exhaust which was a Magnaflow, very mild and one time saying my 35W HID's are illegal.

[marvin24k]

Just call that Number and tell them that cabby cut you off & was driving like a maniac.

[mazdathree]

what a disguise! bloody undercover cops! thanks for the heads up....I guess we sometimes need them to catch drivers who behave on the road when they see a cop around and then dangerously drive when they are not around.

[chinsterr]

can this be considered entrapment (in some form) ?

[RedRaptor]

Best idea ever.

[alhope34]

A few years ago driving in Quebec, heading west to Montreal, a red Sunfire that was following me in the slow lane pulled over a car that passed us pretty fast. I really don't see what's everyone's big deal with cops in Toronto finally smartening up and using real ghost cars. I guess everyone wants a warning to stop breaking the law while driving. There is one very simple solution to avoid getting a speeding ticket... Don't speed!

Don't get me wrong, I have my share of fun but I am smart about it. If I get a ticket I don't complain. Maybe if people think there could be cops in any surrounding taxicab then they'd stop doing completely retarded things in the middle of traffic.

[alhope34]

can this be considered entrapment (in some form) ?

No. Entrapment is if they pull up beside you, encourage you to race them, then arrest you for street racing..

[cosic]

Too many times in my life have I said: 'Oh, it's just a taxi, thank god'
This is bad news

[Dante]

That is not true, I've been pulled over twice not violating the law just because my car is modded. I didn't get a ticket for both times just verbal warning.

One time a officer bugging me about my exhaust which was a Magnaflow, very mild and one time saying my 35W HID's are illegal.

Umm, yet new mazda 3's come with HID's so... Never admit to a cop what you have, you bought the car this way, never admit your wrong, act stupid.. Once you admit your wrong they can ticket you even more.. Just act stupid and youll all be fine.

[craigrodrigues88]

I got stopped by a black Ford Fusion last summer. He followed me to my friends house so I just told the cop that I saw the car following me for a while and don't like being tailgated and that is why i sped up. He actually complimented me on the fact I used my mirrors and let me drive off!

[Blue_Jinnee]

Hmmmmm smart, but they got the cop's wheels (heavy-duty)

[iconicrocket]

That's sneaky, but then again you gotta think it's keep people honest. Truthfully, if I didn't see a marked police car, I would have an inclination to have a lead foot or do something stupid.

[JMAK74]

No. Entrapment is if they pull up beside you, encourage you to race them, then arrest you for street racing..

I've heard of allegations of that being done by Peel Region Police last year. It made it to the papers because one person that was fighting it because they were 'pulled' over said they had video footage demo'ing this.

Or maybe this was on a TV show....

[howes]

Just a heads up boys and girls, Toronto poilce at this time does not have any stealth taxi's!! I will update when I know more, if you don't drive like a twat then you have nothing to worry about in the first place!

[Chesms3]

There are undercover cars all the time, this is actually a little more obvious than others i've seen

[Fobio]

Update: Guess someone came to their senses...

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/637376


Jim Wilkes
Staff Reporter

Was that a taxi or a police car?

That's what motorists in parts of Halton Region have been asking for the past year.

Halton police say that they've been putting taxi-style lights atop some unmarked cars to nab speeders and aggressive drivers in Milton and Halton Hills.

But Insp. Bill Ford said the program, although successful, was scuttled three weeks ago because some folks thought it gave police an unfair advantage.

"Our goal here in Halton Region is to reduce the number of deaths caused by aggressive driving and motor vehicle accidents," Ford said. "It was very effective.

"But we're not about catching people committing traffic offences at any cost."

Ford said there was only one complaint from the public about the project, which was suggested by traffic officers who thought the lights would help police vehicles blend in more than unmarked cars alone.

"The complaint was that we were using a cab light, but my response is that we were using a police light that looks like a cab light," Ford said. "It didn't say Halton Taxi on it. It said POLICE 878-5511."

Part of the strategy was that motorists might start slowing down any time they saw a taxi, thinking it might just be a police car, Ford said.



Ford said Halton Region police Chief Gary Crowell initially supported the project, but learned some members of the public didn't.

"The feeling the chief had from the community was that it wasn't perceived as being fair," Ford said.

"It was perceived as being a dirty trick, I suppose.''

[mazda lover]

Wowww that's insane...

And sometimes it's nice to say that you have nothing to worry about if you're a good driver and you don't exceed the limit blah blah blah... but come on guys... I think almost everyone knows, unless you're a total square, that sometimes there's just those days, whether it's a REALLY good song and you're in a REALLY good mood on a long stretch of road, or you're actually in a big rush, you can't help but go faster than the limit.

I dunno... there's a big difference in speeding when you're not really trying to, and when you're street racing/weaving in and out of traffic. It sucks to get pulled over if you hardly do it, knowing there's so many others who do it allllll the time and never get caught.


too funny, so for some of use who do not speed we are SQUARES? you can't be serious, labeling is a no no....
are you stuck in the 50s...." cool daddy O " or should that be " lady O " ??

[-RJ3-]

I had a rented Charger a year ago, and I toyed around with drivers. I covered up the Enterprise sticker at the back with good ol electrical tape, and enjoyed the drive....

I toyed with people and accidentaly some cars pull over to the far lane so I can pass. One guy cut me off, and once he saw my charger, he started to brake harshly... I loved seeing there reactions when I pass by them, knowing that I wasnt a cop.

Believe me, Cops had the right idea, because seeing a charger makes me think twice of passing them LOL!!!

[cwp_sedan]

Update: Guess someone came to their senses...

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/637376

I heard this on the morning news today too.

[htc***]

Watch out @Halton Region (Ontario).

http://autos.sympatico.ca/features/2463/hey-cops-train-don-t-trap

[CanadaGTO]

This makes me mad.....



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[mazdaskit]

:flaming

[mazdabetty]

:RP

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32367

[Stoked]

wow.... that pisses me off and shouldnt be allowed...
someone should just put an end to that.
im sure some argument about safety could be made, if your getting pulled over by a taxi are you supposed to believe its real?
and what if its not, you could fully get a police radio receiver and a plug in flashing light and mess with ppl if you had a taxi.
they already have undercover mini-vans and i think thats weird enough....

[Stoked]

didnt see the repost tag before i wrote my reply

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...ad.php?t=32367

[aris]

That's crazy...:loco

[S.F.W.]

:RP

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32367

I knew I had seen this before...threads merged.

[W_L89]

whenever i see those types of cars i drive carefully regardless.

they all look the same from far n e ways

[MistaChin]

Some time ago in my area I saw a parked EMS vehicle on the side of the road and thought wtf. As I passed him and looked in my rear-view mirror i saw a cop with a radar gun pointing it out of the back of the ambulance. Is that how an ambulance should be used?

EFF THAT

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Some time ago in my area I saw a parked EMS vehicle on the side of the road and thought wtf. As I passed him and looked in my rear-view mirror i saw a cop with a radar gun pointing it out of the back of the ambulance. Is that how an ambulance should be used?

EFF THAT

Not surprised... It is becoming a little absurd these days.

There is one particular officer here in Newmarket that parks on the soft shoulder of Hwy#9/Davis Drive between Yonge Street and the 400 in an unmarked cruiser. He opens the front hood of the car and the 2 passenger side doors facing the grass so that it looks like a car on the roadside with mechanical problems. He hides behind the front of the open hood with a laser radar tagging oncoming cars and another cruiser up the road picks them up.
It makes me so mad to see police resorting to this kindergarten bullshit to catch those terrible criminals going 20km over the speed limit. Waste of police time, money and resources. All of which we pay for.

If I were a journalist, I'd follow around folks like David Miller, Dalton McGuinty and Julian Fantino with a camera and integrated laser radar while they are driving or being driven around. Guaranteed they aren't all keeping to the speed limit at all times.

[crystal8484]

The way I see it is everyone has gotten used to just looking out for that cruiser parked on the side of the road before slamming on their brakes. Switching it up is just another way to catch people who think they're smart at getting away with it - so they have to get a little smart too.

Everyone speeds, not everyone gets caught. If you are caught speeding, that's your own fault no matter how they do it. They're doing a job just like everyone else, only with consequences that piss off a lot more people than your average joe blow 9-5 job.

[plontoc]

everyone speeds, not everyone gets caught. If you are caught speeding, that's your own fault no matter how they do it. They're doing a job just like everyone else, only with consequences that piss off a lot more people than your average joe blow 9-5 job.

+1000

[RedRaptor]

Whine and cheese anyone?

[jaimie08mazda3]

Holy old thread haha. But see the thing is these cops are doing everything they can. Look at the 50 over law... you think its bad now just wait a year... it will get worse and worse... we didn't think it would happen. But with the 50 over law people are semi slowing down and now they are getting smarter with helicopters, cop cars that look like taxi's. Just wait you will see soccer mom minivan's being used as cop cars. They are getting smarter. And the government isn't going to stop it... Hell they are getting alot of money for it.

[Tsirpas]

If anyone believes they're doing this for "safety" and to prevent "dangerous driving" you've been brainwashed, and deemed stupid by the provincial government to fall into their schemes. They're doing this for $$$$, quite frankly when you want to stop speeding and prevent traffic violations for the SAFETY of the general public, you show presence, and maintain VISIBLE presence in order to PREVENT speeding and traffic violations from taking place, rather than hiding behind some pole or bush WAITING PURPOSELY for a traffic violation to take place in order to tag them charge them, and make the province money. Because in all "fairness" if they can hide from us and radar us down behind a wall or pole, or car. We should be able to carry those police sensors in our cars LEGALLY (like in many U.S. states) and be able to detect them, like they detect us...

But ofcourse people will be naive and fall for the stupid lies that they try to feed you all the false crap that they care about road safety... Hah. Pathetic.

[MistaChin]

The way I see it is everyone has gotten used to just looking out for that cruiser parked on the side of the road before slamming on their brakes. Switching it up is just another way to catch people who think they're smart at getting away with it - so they have to get a little smart too.

Everyone speeds, not everyone gets caught. If you are caught speeding, that's your own fault no matter how they do it. They're doing a job just like everyone else, only with consequences that piss off a lot more people than your average joe blow 9-5 job.

Wow at first glance that looked so wrong LOL

[crystal8484]

Wow at first glance that looked so wrong LOL

hahaah you lil perv!! :chuckle

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

The way I see it is everyone has gotten used to just looking out for that cruiser parked on the side of the road before slamming on their brakes. Switching it up is just another way to catch people who think they're smart at getting away with it - so they have to get a little smart too.

Everyone speeds, not everyone gets caught. If you are caught speeding, that's your own fault no matter how they do it. They're doing a job just like everyone else, only with consequences that piss off a lot more people than your average joe blow 9-5 job.

Not really the point Crystal. By all means enforce the laws that are in effect, but not in this type of deceitful and frankly ridiculous manner. I personally don't have a beef with police and traffic/safety/speed enforcement when the laws are sensical and the enforcement is the same. As you said, if you speed and you get caught, you're at fault and man-up for it. Personally I haven't had a speeding ticket since I was 17 or so, although admittedly, I do speed on a regular basis.

What I do have a beef with, is when police start pulling stunts like this as if they have some mandate to do undercover and covert surveillance on general motorists under the guise of safety. This is simply a cash grab and the police lose all credibility pulling this type of gamemanship and stunt to enforce existing laws. They should have better things to do with their time and money. Personally, I'd rather see our tax money go into driver education and training as opposed to indirectly funding stupidity like this.

The person who wrote the article posted captured it quite well...

"...When exactly did it become the role of the police to conduct covert surveillance on private citizens day in and day out? Obviously I realize there are unmarked cars patrolling the roads all the time but what’s this supposed to be? A trick? A Joke? Well I don’t get it, I’m definitely not laughing and I sure as hell don’t like it.

We don’t pay the police to lie in wait. As it is, I think we give up far too much autonomy to the state in exchange for its promise of a safe society. At the very least the police, valuable as they are for enforcing the law, must do so in a professional and reverential manner. Stunts intended to elude and trick the public? Not bloody likely.

They might even want to try and lead by example. Yeah, crazy idea, I know..."