Ontario ban on handheld devices while driving..its about time !!!

[yearoftherat]

Get your hands off those cellphones, Ontario drivers -- a new law that bans using hand-held devices to talk, email, or send text messages while behind the wheel was passed Wednesday.

The new rules, which won't come into effect until at least the fall, include a fine of up to $500 as the province joins other jurisdictions in cracking down on drivers using the devices.

"What we're trying to do is to avoid distractions while people are driving -- those distractions being caused, in this case, by electronic devices that are hand-held," said Transportation Minister Jim Bradley, adding he has no plans to ban eating or drinking coffee in cars.

The law doesn't affect the use of hands-free devices such as Bluetooths or using cellphones for 911 calls, but it does ban portable video games, MP3 players and DVD players.

Global positioning systems will be allowed, as long as they're properly secured to the dashboard.

There are no demerit points attached to the bill, but drivers who place others at risk by using one of the banned devices can also be charged under existing careless driving laws.

The law exempts firefighters, police and paramedics, but several other groups have also asked for a pass.

The Transportation Ministry is considering additional exemptions for devices used to dispatch, track and monitor commercial drivers, but said more changes are unlikely.

"There are organizations that have come forward to say (they) believe they should have an exemption," Bradley said. "We'll have to evaluate that very carefully.

"We will be extremely reluctant as a government to grant any exemptions unless a very compelling case could be made for that."

Bradley wouldn't give a specific date for the ban to take effect, noting it still needs to go through certain legislative processes and an education period so the public learns the rules.

But he said drivers can expect the change to come "later this year, possibly in the fall."

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said she supported the bill, noting if people must communicate while driving, there are hands-free gadgets that allow them to do so.

"Technology exists that can prevent people from having to use a hand-held device, and I think that's where the biggest concern is in terms of distraction," she said.

Ontario is the fourth province to enact such a ban, following Newfoundland and Labrador, Quebec and Nova Scotia.

In Newfoundland and Labrador, which in 2003 became the first province to ban the use of hand-held cellphones, the penalties range from $11 to $400 plus four demerit points.

Quebec motorists face fines of $115 plus the loss of three demerit points, while Nova Scotia's fines start at $164.50 for a first offence and grow to $337 for subsequent offences.

In the first year after Nova Scotia made it illegal for drivers to use hand-held cellphones, close to 2,000 tickets were handed out by police.

In Quebec, the latest statistics show at least 12,000 tickets have been handed out by Montreal and provincial police since last July. Hand-held devices were banned on April 1, 2008, but Quebec drivers were given a three-month grace period.

Manitoba introduced legislation in November that proposed fines of at least $190 for using hand-held cellphones or for smoking while there are children in a vehicle, while Prince Edward Island is also considering a ban.

[towelsnap]

it's good and bad, but if kids wanna watch a movie in the back seat I don't see it a problem, it sould only be for the driver, not passangers or anything like that. IF they are banning mp3s, dvds ... what's next GPS since everyone has them. Its only dumbasses that text on the 401 and jump lanes that should get nailed. Most of us do use Bluetooth or do the mature thing and pull over. But honestly... just to be a dick... it's not rocket since to have 100% focus on the road and talk on a phone.... I'll stop here hahaha but if you struggle don't do it it's not worth it.

+1 smoking with kids in the car... not cool, as a fine they should be kicked in privates and slapped in the face with a $1000 fine.... smarten up it's your own damn kids! (and I'm a smoker and would never think twice to smoking with kids in the car... just foolish)



WHATTT the Habs just scored?

[dentinger]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/dentinger/6y04kl.jpg

*sigh*
another cash grab.

[towelsnap]

^ I wanna laugh.... but feel bad at the same time is that normal?

[tweak_s]

i like the law. Too many dumbasses on cell phones. Funny, everyotme I see someone drive like a moron, sure enough they're on their phone.

Ironically though, this ONE time, a ridilcously aggressive driver who was tailgating me (and i stayed in my gear to piss him off as I was already doing the limit) he switched lanes, and that was the ONE time, I had just picked up a call and didn't have my bluetooth headset on lol. I looked like the dick hahaa.

By the way, one thing though regarding GPS, do they mean we HAVE to secure it to the DASH and can't suction cup it to the windshield????? If so, BLAH on that part...:complain

[SL3VIN]

i agree its about time they implement this law!!
oh and they are also passing legislation to prevent anyone under 21 to have ZERO blood alcohol while driving, but are allowing teenagers to carry passengers. IMHO i think every drier should have zero blood alcohol while driving... it shouldn't be limited to ppl who are under 21

[x_o_k_x]

By the way, one thing though regarding GPS, do they mean we HAVE to secure it to the DASH and can't suction cup it to the windshield????? If so, BLAH on that part...:complain

you could always argue about this. Kinda similar to aftermarket HIDs and real projector lights

They should also pass the winter tires in the winter law.

[Anrky]

By the way, one thing though regarding GPS, do they mean we HAVE to secure it to the DASH and can't suction cup it to the windshield????? If so, BLAH on that part...:complain

As i have read the descriptions, it means the GPS has to be mounted, as in not in your hands.

I doubt they are really going to knock you if it's mounted to your windshield. I'm not sure but I thought mounting things to your windshield is currently illegal.

Its all about having ammo to use against you if they want.


Drivers who place others at risk as a result of using a hands-free device can be charged with Careless Driving and face fines of up to $1,000, six demerit points , driver’s licence suspension and possible jailtime.
Drivers convicted of Dangerous Driving (a criminal offence), could face a penalty of up to $2,000 and five years in jail.

[cwp_sedan]

Damn...I better get a good headset or bluetooth setup...

[sunkist4338]

+1 smoking with kids in the car... not cool, as a fine they should be kicked in privates and slapped in the face with a $1000 fine.... smarten up it's your own damn kids! (and I'm a smoker and would never think twice to smoking with kids in the car... just foolish)



WHATTT the Habs just scored?

+1000
I agree 1000% this should hold a huge fine and drivers license suspension


By the way, one thing though regarding GPS, do they mean we HAVE to secure it to the DASH and can't suction cup it to the windshield????? If so, BLAH on that part...:complain

I think the gps mounted on the dash is distracting. I keep mine beside me. once I set the address I don't need to see it as it talks to me and tells me turn right on Derry road in 500 meters etc .

Like ron popeil says.... just set it and forget it. lol


i agree its about time they implement this law!!
oh and they are also passing legislation to prevent anyone under 21 to have ZERO blood alcohol while driving, but are allowing teenagers to carry passengers. IMHO i think every drier should have zero blood alcohol while driving... it shouldn't be limited to ppl who are under 21


I disagree with you. I could have one glass of wine and a couple of hours later I can guarentee that I would drive just as well as if I didn't have one. just my opionion


Damn...I better get a good headset or bluetooth setup...

I'm glad my 2010 has the blue tooth I've used it several times already.. love it but not as much as my moonroof:)

btw, i'm not trying to raise my post count... I'm just opinionated (sp)

[Hives]

^^^ Agree!

[towelsnap]

i agree its about time they implement this law!!
oh and they are also passing legislation to prevent anyone under 21 to have ZERO blood alcohol while driving, but are allowing teenagers to carry passengers. IMHO i think every drier should have zero blood alcohol while driving... it shouldn't be limited to ppl who are under 21



True, it's sad but DUI's happens with all ages, you can ran stats but seriously.... no matter what age/where you live it happens. But passing a zero blood level on all drivers good luck...:loco . Some people do not feel the way alcohol hits, others do. Some people I'm sure could drink 6+ and drive home fine (no I'm not promoting this at all ) . The main problem is drinking and driving or death from Drunk drivers has gone up and this is one of the options to try and see if it solves it. Only time will tell.

and shit sunkist you'll be up to 1000 lol

[Jeff0]

I'm not sure but I thought mounting things to your windshield is currently illegal.


Anyone can confirm this? I always mount my GPS on the windshield left bottom corner.

[dentinger]

Anyone can confirm this? I always mount my GPS on the windshield left bottom corner.

for laws like this, it depends on the cop.
i used to have underglow on ALL the time at night, and never got pulled over.
it all depends on how strict they are in your town, and how much of a dick they are.

and this law is going to get me in LOTS of trouble.
i text and drive ALL the time.

[Gizzmo_jr]

Details of Bill 118
http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?locale=en&BillID=2099&detailPage=bills_detail_the_bill

I thought this is already in effect.

[Thrizzl3]

wow this is serious. i see alot of people on cell phones and not paying attention while driving. i witnessed this first hand seeing how many people ran red lights:whoa

[jaimie08mazda3]

well lets see here... i have a bluetooth check... integrated ipod thing... nope.. GPS mounted on windshield... check.... loud music... check... im screwed

[SirWanker]

It is nice and all to have this law but the big question is how enforceable will it be? Seriously when was the last time anyone saw a patrol car on the road? Their presence is next to none. Like the drunk driver notification line, will they set up a dedicated section for distracted....correction...handheld device users? This law really is toothless. It would have been better to social engineer the populace to shame this kind of behavior, like the drinking & driving. ooooo wait! Perhaps better driver training with regular refresher classes would do.

[jaimie08mazda3]

what about the police officers who drive around on their cellphones. ive seen it and so have you all. what if we see a cop doing it. can we pull him over and make him give himself a 500$ ticket.. dont think so.

[cwp_sedan]

what about the police officers who drive around on their cellphones. ive seen it and so have you all. what if we see a cop doing it. can we pull him over and make him give himself a 500$ ticket.. dont think so.

uh, that's like saying you can give a cop a speeding ticket...

The police are always exempt even if they are breaking the law (in most cases).

[jaimie08mazda3]

but see thats BS. So your telling me a cop can do everything because he is the law YET WE CANT. that is completely stupid. I believe that if we see a police officer doing something we cannot do, we should have the right to make a citizen citation. im not saying all cops do it but i have seen it alot. "here is a ticket for doing something i did 10 minutes ago but its okay because I AM THE LAW. no thats not right.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

uh, that's like saying you can give a cop a speeding ticket...

The police are always exempt even if they are breaking the law (in most cases).

Kind of wish we could though. Watched one cruiser in the area lurk near an intersection to nab people who don't come to complete stops at the 4-way. He got someone who didn't see him and I was driving the opposite way down the street. In a residential area with a school just down the road and 40kmph zone all, this cop, with full lights a blazin', passed me doing about 90kmph and still accelerating to catch-up to the car he nailed. For what? Catching the hardened criminal who didn't wait 3 seconds at the stop sign when there was no other traffic?? The cop should have had his license taken away and is in serious need of a perspective check.

[cwp_sedan]

but see thats BS. So your telling me a cop can do everything because he is the law YET WE CANT. that is completely stupid. I believe that if we see a police officer doing something we cannot do, we should have the right to make a citizen citation. im not saying all cops do it but i have seen it alot. "here is a ticket for doing something i did 10 minutes ago but its okay because I AM THE LAW. no thats not right.

Oh I agree with you 100%, but that's not how it is unfortunately. Yes they can be punished for their illegal actions, but in most cases it will go on without consequence.

[bunchi]

for me I totally agree with having a law like this around. Almost all the time I see somebody driving like an :AH they're on the phone. it's either they're distracted or they're really just :AHs

[shuller1458]

but see thats BS. So your telling me a cop can do everything because he is the law YET WE CANT. that is completely stupid. I believe that if we see a police officer doing something we cannot do, we should have the right to make a citizen citation. im not saying all cops do it but i have seen it alot. "here is a ticket for doing something i did 10 minutes ago but its okay because I AM THE LAW. no thats not right.

"All animals on the farm are equal, however some just more equal then the others" :complain

[jaimie08mazda3]

Oh I agree with you 100%, but that's not how it is unfortunately. Yes they can be punished for their illegal actions, but in most cases it will go on without consequence.

this is my plan. any police officer i see doing this i will follow him and flag him down take his badge number and car number and get this settled. i dont care. It to me is BS if i can get a fine for this but the people who are supposed to uphold the law are breaking the law. nah. they are citizens like me its not a badge do to whatever you want with. :bang:complain but then again with my record they wont believe a "punk 19 year old in a mazda3", but it shouldnt matter. I see it as my way to get back at them for pulling me over twice for "stealing my own car"

[slam525i]

Ironically though, this ONE time, a ridilcously aggressive driver who was tailgating me (and i stayed in my gear to piss him off as I was already doing the limit) he switched lanes, and that was the ONE time, I had just picked up a call and didn't have my bluetooth headset on lol. I looked like the dick hahaa.

Okay, I have to say, one of the things that annoy me are people don't "Keep right except to pass"

I signal left, and if they don't notice, fog lights on and off. And if they still don't notice, high beams on and off. Still no luck, I pass them, on the right, which is illegal. It seems like 95% of the time, they're on their cell phone. :bang

[DruidB]

they are citizens like me its not a badge do to whatever you want with."

I agree with you they should be accountable.. however
they are classified as Peace Officers.. not Citizens...
And the only real power a citizen has involves Indictable offences or Duel procedure offences... not Provincial statutes

[jaimie08mazda3]

I agree with you they should be accountable.. however
they are classified as Peace Officers.. not Citizens...
And the only real power a citizen has involves Indictable offences or Duel procedure offences... not Provincial statutes

so basically what your saying is that they are basically allowed to do whatever they want.. they get caught with a pound of marijuana or something anda ll they could get is a slap on the wrist because they are cops. or because they are better then everyone they can talk on the cellphone while driving because "they are just that good. :complain

[Thrizzl3]

so basically what your saying is that they are basically allowed to do whatever they want.. they get caught with a pound of marijuana or something anda ll they could get is a slap on the wrist because they are cops. or because they are better then everyone they can talk on the cellphone while driving because "they are just that good. :complain

what? cops get penalized too and also serve jail time for their offence. If a cop is caught smoking marijuana they will be suspended without pay and have to go through a disciplinary hearing which is not a good thing. As for the cell phones i see alottttt of cops driving with the phone to their ears and they will get the same punishment even though they are the law so there is no difference

[whiteomega]

It's about time they passed this law. It was needed long before now.

[06Touring3]

Damn...I better get a good headset or bluetooth setup...

Just purchased one today at lunch because I read about this this morning LOL

If anyone is going to get one head over to Source they are having a massive Clearance sale right now.

[jaimie08mazda3]

what? cops get penalized too and also serve jail time for their offence. If a cop is caught smoking marijuana they will be suspended without pay and have to go through a disciplinary hearing which is not a good thing. As for the cell phones i see alottttt of cops driving with the phone to their ears and they will get the same punishment even though they are the law so there is no difference

doubtful. who is gonna pull them over. thats why i said i want to pull them over myself go to the police station explain what happened and get him fined. but who is gonna believe me over a cop

[JMAK74]

what about the police officers who drive around on their cellphones. ive seen it and so have you all. what if we see a cop doing it. can we pull him over and make him give himself a 500$ ticket.. dont think so.

They may be on police business - correct me if I'm wrong, but cellphone signal transmissions are encrypted vs. using radio, which isn't.

[Thrizzl3]

doubtful. who is gonna pull them over. thats why i said i want to pull them over myself go to the police station explain what happened and get him fined. but who is gonna believe me over a cop

why pull them over..if they pull you over and you seen them talking on the fone you can tell them that they were on a cell phone while driving..then what are they gonna say "So im a police officer i do what i want" BS. if they give you a ticket take it to court and tell the judge its not a fair trial because the officer that pulled you over was also breaking the law by talking on a cell phone. Charges will be dropped and your free to go.

[SirWanker]

my....the hate towards the police is strong in this thread.......

[rajin929]

I'm glad the have this law out and agree with others

[jaimie08mazda3]

my....the hate towards the police is strong in this thread.......

its not that. im actually wanting to become a police officer. my problem is that they dont have any reprocussions unlike everyone else.

[Cardinal Fang]

my problem is that they dont have any reprocussions unlike everyone else.

That's a blanket statement don't you think? I'm pretty sure cops get away with things but then again so do you and I everyday of our lives when we drive. Does that mean we should get pulled over for every traffic infraction?

How many people knowingly break the law and then go to court to plead down the case to something less severe? I think it works both ways jamie. I like the law for the most part. Enforcement is going to be an issue though.

[jaimie08mazda3]

That's a blanket statement don't you think? I'm pretty sure cops get away with things but then again so do you and I everyday of our lives when we drive. Does that mean we should get pulled over for every traffic infraction?

How many people knowingly break the law and then go to court to plead down the case to something less severe? I think it works both ways jamie. I like the law for the most part. Enforcement is going to be an issue though.

True enough however, the police officer that had given me a ticket for going 85 in a 50 lives by me so i know what he drives (ironically its a 04 3 GT) and he passed a bunch of cars in front of me WHILE TALKING ON HIS CELLPHONE. meh i dunno doesnt add up for me. but i guess what goes around comes around. Im not saying that police get away with everything but they get away with alot. This law police will break just like nothing mattered. Thats my only point. If a police officer is talking on the cellphone and sees someone else driving by him talking on the cellphone pulls him over and gives him a 500$ ticket... is that not hypocritical?

[Cardinal Fang]

Absolutely! Welcome to life. :)

[jaimie08mazda3]

DAMMIT why cant life be fair. or tell that to those little bastards who smashed out the windows in my cars and rear tail lights. i got the description on the car and the 2 guys and stilll nothing!

[JMAK74]

DAMMIT why cant life be fair.

"The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile, but that it is indifferent.

If we can come to terms with this indifference and accept the challenges of life within the boundaries of death, our existence as a species can have genuine meaning and fulfillment.

However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light."
- Stanley Kubrick (dir. of The Shining, Full Metal Jacket, etc) -

[notoriousb]

i like the law. Too many dumbasses on cell phones. Funny, everyotme I see someone drive like a moron, sure enough they're on their phone.

Ironically though, this ONE time, a ridilcously aggressive driver who was tailgating me (and i stayed in my gear to piss him off as I was already doing the limit) he switched lanes, and that was the ONE time, I had just picked up a call and didn't have my bluetooth headset on lol. I looked like the dick hahaa.

By the way, one thing though regarding GPS, do they mean we HAVE to secure it to the DASH and can't suction cup it to the windshield????? If so, BLAH on that part...:complain


Lol, Yeah it usually is a moron on a cell phone --- but yoooO

What you mean you was doing the limit? Going 100 on the left lane of the 407 and using the excuse of doing the limit will get a cop even to pull you over !

ALWAYS MOVE TO THE RIGHT IF YOU ARE SLOWER THAN THE TRAFFIC ON YOUR RIGHT.

[Flagrum_3]

All I gotta say about the new law is IT's ABOUT FRIGGEN TIME!....dumbasses have known for alongtime that cell phones etc have been the cause of a large percentage of the carnage on the roads!


_3

[sunkist4338]

Wow!!!!!!!! That's all I have to say on this subject...

[tweak_s]

Lol, Yeah it usually is a moron on a cell phone --- but yoooO

What you mean you was doing the limit? Going 100 on the left lane of the 407 and using the excuse of doing the limit will get a cop even to pull you over !

ALWAYS MOVE TO THE RIGHT IF YOU ARE SLOWER THAN THE TRAFFIC ON YOUR RIGHT.



Lol, Yeah it usually is a moron on a cell phone --- but yoooO

What you mean you was doing the limit? Going 100 on the left lane of the 407 and using the excuse of doing the limit will get a cop even to pull you over !

ALWAYS MOVE TO THE RIGHT IF YOU ARE SLOWER THAN THE TRAFFIC ON YOUR RIGHT.

lol no dude..city streets.

I'm doing 65 in a 60 zone... on YONGE STREET. Its packed. I'm not slowing traffic. I ended up passing the dude anyway, as the "passing lane" on YONGE STREET was just as packed.

Thanks for jumping to the conclusion I'm in the passing lane.

[mazda lover]

True enough however, the police officer that had given me a ticket for going 85 in a 50 lives by me so i know what he drives (ironically its a 04 3 GT) and he passed a bunch of cars in front of me WHILE TALKING ON HIS CELLPHONE. meh i dunno doesnt add up for me. but i guess what goes around comes around. Im not saying that police get away with everything but they get away with alot. This law police will break just like nothing mattered. Thats my only point. If a police officer is talking on the cellphone and sees someone else driving by him talking on the cellphone pulls him over and gives him a 500$ ticket... is that not hypocritical?


going 85 in a 50...you should be in jail. Worry and be careful about what you are doing not what someone else is doing..your just using the actions of the police you say you see as an excuse for what you are doing. I am sure the ploce will be fitted with the bluetooth, now what are you going to be getting upset with...picking his nose...:flaming

[mazda lover]

DAMMIT why cant life be fair. or tell that to those little bastards who smashed out the windows in my cars and rear tail lights. i got the description on the car and the 2 guys and stilll nothing!

its called Bad Carma, the police know you don't like them so they say the hell with you. did you get a plate number? the guys could be out of town or very far away from where you are?? :bang
on one hand you trash the police and on the other you want them to help you

[jaimie08mazda3]

going 85 in a 50...you should be in jail. Worry and be careful about what you are doing not what someone else is doing..your just using the actions of the police you say you see as an excuse for what you are doing. I am sure the ploce will be fitted with the bluetooth, now what are you going to be getting upset with...picking his nose...:flaming

explain to me how im supposed to be in jail for going 85 in a 50?! and you mis understood what i had said. he pulled me over.. and gave me the ticket..

[jaimie08mazda3]

its called Bad Carma, the police know you don't like them so they say the hell with you. did you get a plate number? the guys could be out of town or very far away from where you are?? :bang
on one hand you trash the police and on the other you want them to help you

Well see if i got pulled over TWICE for stealing my own car.. id say yea the police dont like me. :bang but yes i want help from them.... i just think their look at things is completely stupid. that they are the law so they can break the law

[Ogata]

sry if double post but what about blue tooth headsets?

[alhope34]

The law exempts firefighters, police and paramedics


Did anyone actually read the whole first post before they started bashing the police?

And on that subject, yes, they do stupid things sometimes just like anyone else. But if it came down to it, any one of those brave men and women would put their life on the line to save yours. Police are very under appreciated and very underpaid for all the crap they do and have to put up with for trying to keep our communities safe. Could anyone imagine how much murder, mugging, thefts there would be with no police force at all?

People mainly don't like cops because they give them speeding tickets, etc. But really, they are just doing their job. Do you know any other profession where they are hated just by doing their job? No one is going to walk up to my dad at work and yell at him for being a mainframe programmer. People don't walk up to me on the street and yell at me cause I work construction.

I have witnessed the hypocritical actions of police before. If anyone has ever seen my vacation picture thread, last year in Nova Scotia I got nailed at 155 in an 80 zone. The RCMP who got me was my grandmother's neighbour. Well, about a month and a half after that he was going about 140km/h in the SAME area he caught me, but he was in his Harley. He tried passing a car over a double yellow line while going around a corner. He ran out of road and hit the guard rail and fell 200ft down the mountain. And you know what? If I saw him do that, I'd still do everything in my power to help him out because I know he'd do the same for me. In the end he was alive but in a full body cast. His supervisor was pissed off enough that he got shipped out to New Brunswick.

People don't realize the good police do in the community and only see/remember the bad side. This is a very one sided view which I think is completely wrong to have. I know there are a couple officers and/or officers to be in this forum. I really appreciate all the hard work and dedication to the community's safety that every officer of the law provides.

[sunkist4338]

People mainly don't like cops because they give them speeding tickets, etc. But really, they are just doing their job. Do you know any other profession where they are hated just by doing their job? No one is going to walk up to my dad at work and yell at him for being a mainframe programmer. People don't walk up to me on the street and yell at me cause I work construction.

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they won't yell at him but they may chuckle because he is a mainframe programmer. I can say this because I am also a mainframe programmer. lol:chuckle

[mazda lover]

explain to me how im supposed to be in jail for going 85 in a 50?! and you mis understood what i had said. he pulled me over.. and gave me the ticket..

You just don't get it don't you...it was just my opinion...kids geezes :whoa

[mazda lover]

Well see if i got pulled over TWICE for stealing my own car.. id say yea the police dont like me. :bang but yes i want help from them.... i just think their look at things is completely stupid. that they are the law so they can break the law

Become a police officer and you can then break the law and get away with it...duh...all is good now...:bana2

[DingBat]

Damn...I better get a good headset or bluetooth setup...

Or you could just not talk on the phone while driving. Like everybody did up until the '90s.

Seriously, people today act like they can't be out of touch, ever.

[notoriousb]

going 85 in a 50...you should be in jail. Worry and be careful about what you are doing not what someone else is doing..your just using the actions of the police you say you see as an excuse for what you are doing. I am sure the ploce will be fitted with the bluetooth, now what are you going to be getting upset with...picking his nose...:flaming

He should be in jail? Wow, it's people like you who invented the stupid 50 over rule your car gets towed without a trial.

I bet when you get caught for speeding prolly going 10 over on the 401, you'll be using the ticket instead of porn to jerk off on.

[notoriousb]

Did anyone actually read the whole first post before they started bashing the police?

And on that subject, yes, they do stupid things sometimes just like anyone else. But if it came down to it, any one of those brave men and women would put their life on the line to save yours. Police are very under appreciated and very underpaid for all the crap they do and have to put up with for trying to keep our communities safe. Could anyone imagine how much murder, mugging, thefts there would be with no police force at all?

People mainly don't like cops because they give them speeding tickets, etc. But really, they are just doing their job. Do you know any other profession where they are hated just by doing their job? No one is going to walk up to my dad at work and yell at him for being a mainframe programmer. People don't walk up to me on the street and yell at me cause I work construction.

I have witnessed the hypocritical actions of police before. If anyone has ever seen my vacation picture thread, last year in Nova Scotia I got nailed at 155 in an 80 zone. The RCMP who got me was my grandmother's neighbour. Well, about a month and a half after that he was going about 140km/h in the SAME area he caught me, but he was in his Harley. He tried passing a car over a double yellow line while going around a corner. He ran out of road and hit the guard rail and fell 200ft down the mountain. And you know what? If I saw him do that, I'd still do everything in my power to help him out because I know he'd do the same for me. In the end he was alive but in a full body cast. His supervisor was pissed off enough that he got shipped out to New Brunswick.

People don't realize the good police do in the community and only see/remember the bad side. This is a very one sided view which I think is completely wrong to have. I know there are a couple officers and/or officers to be in this forum. I really appreciate all the hard work and dedication to the community's safety that every officer of the law provides.


Oh what a beautiful story -- but firstly -- I think the poster was talking about the cop doing it in his own car not when he was on duty... And in that case he would still get a ticket.


Secondly -- You know why people hate cops? Because they are people -- doing a job that people were not designed to do.

Power corrupts -- and there are not a lot of moral cops. There really are racial discrimination and all types of corruption prevalent in law enforcement. A cop would probably pull you over more likely if you drive a souped up car -- A cop will probably be more of an ass if you are of an ethnic background that he doesn't really like ---

People don't become cops to make a difference in the community --- its just a regular job for them -- their physical and mental tests are a joke -- they aren't the brightest people ... and they really do hit on girls on the job. It's pathetic ...

:AH

[towelsnap]

Oh what a beautiful story -- but firstly -- I think the poster was talking about the cop doing it in his own car not when he was on duty... And in that case he would still get a ticket.


Secondly -- You know why people hate cops? Because they are people -- doing a job that people were not designed to do.

Power corrupts -- and there are not a lot of moral cops. There really are racial discrimination and all types of corruption prevalent in law enforcement. A cop would probably pull you over more likely if you drive a souped up car -- A cop will probably be more of an ass if you are of an ethnic background that he doesn't really like ---

People don't become cops to make a difference in the community --- its just a regualr job for them -- their physical and mental tests are a joke -- they aren't the brightest people ... and they really do hit on girls on the job. It's pathetic ...

:AH


:banhim , and maybe I'm bias but coming from a police background and degree in criminology I take high offence to this. You’re correct that individuals don't become cops to save the day or to make a difference. Policing/Corrections/Customs etc, is a job. Through bashing their mental and physical testing is however funny to me. Considering your profession more than likely lacks this. Policing is one of the hardiest professions to get into, and being a complete “dumbass” will NOT get your hired. Police testing is a long process and has many aspects. I've gone through it so I know it's not a joke. Next time do your research before you trash peoples careers and occupations :AH considering they are over 20 members on here trying to pursue this career or are currently employed in legal fields related! You can reply to me and voice your opinion but putting someone’s career and goals in life and trashing them with an individual stereotype is childish!

This thread should be :lock

[Thrizzl3]

Oh what a beautiful story -- but firstly -- I think the poster was talking about the cop doing it in his own car not when he was on duty... And in that case he would still get a ticket.


Secondly -- You know why people hate cops? Because they are people -- doing a job that people were not designed to do.

Power corrupts -- and there are not a lot of moral cops. There really are racial discrimination and all types of corruption prevalent in law enforcement. A cop would probably pull you over more likely if you drive a souped up car -- A cop will probably be more of an ass if you are of an ethnic background that he doesn't really like ---

People don't become cops to make a difference in the community --- its just a regualr job for them -- their physical and mental tests are a joke -- they aren't the brightest people ... and they really do hit on girls on the job. It's pathetic ...

:AH

What are you talking about??? If it wasn't for police..how would the law be enforced? How would people know that they are safe in dangerous areas? There are some cops that are a holes and some cops that actually care for the community. Get your facts straight. just because you hate cops doesn't mean that everyone else does too. i personally have nothing against cops and i follow the rules of the road. Although there are those who are reckless and don't deserve a license to drive. it is the cops responsibility to get those drivers off the road so that no accidents are caused. any how this thread is about handheld's and driving not bashing cops.
END RANT

[jaimie08mazda3]

You just don't get it don't you...it was just my opinion...kids geezes :whoa
thanks. not really what i meant by what i said but yeaaaa. right and yea all is good. but i still think its BS


He should be in jail? Wow, it's people like you who invented the stupid 50 over rule your car gets towed without a trial.

I bet when you get caught for speeding prolly going 10 over on the 401, you'll be using the ticket instead of porn to jerk off on.
hahaha lol. i agree with the 50 rule in certain aspects. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TOWING THE CAR AWAY. because raelly that screws up jobs because you have no car to get to work.

[notoriousb]

:banhim , and maybe I'm bias but coming from a police background and degree in criminology I take high offence to this. You’re correct that individuals don't become cops to save the day or to make a difference. Policing/Corrections/Customs etc, is a job. Through bashing their mental and physical testing is however funny to me. Considering your profession more than likely lacks this. Policing is one of the hardiest professions to get into, and being a complete “dumbass” will NOT get your hired. Police testing is a long process and has many aspects. I've gone through it so I know it's not a joke. Next time do your research before you trash peoples careers and occupations :AH considering they are over 20 members on here trying to pursue this career or are currently employed in legal fields related! You can reply to me and voice your opinion but putting someone’s career and goals in life and trashing them with an individual stereotype is childish!

This thread should be :lock

My future profession probably does lack the physical test however I know most of the people I know became cops out of last resort. It's a good paying job which anyone can do as long as you are somewhat fit. That doesn't mean that you aren't intelligent -- I'm just saying you don't need to be smart guy to become a cop.


So no, it doesn't require a lot of intelligence -- And the physical stress tests of a firefighter far exceed that of a cop's. What is the minimum to get in on a beep test? 5.5? ...


And it is exactly this, why cops become a corrupt with power -- because they need more education and less "I'm a cop and your a mere peasant" attitude.

Anyways, I was just replying to the guy on WHY cops are hated. I'm not even going to mention that there are exceptions to every rule and to stop acting like I speak for everyone -- It's a stupid retort.


Thats that.

[notoriousb]

What are you talking about??? If it wasn't for police..how would the law be enforced? How would people know that they are safe in dangerous areas? There are some cops that are a holes and some cops that actually care for the community. Get your facts straight. just because you hate cops doesn't mean that everyone else does too. i personally have nothing against cops and i follow the rules of the road. Although there are those who are reckless and don't deserve a license to drive. it is the cops responsibility to get those drivers off the road so that no accidents are caused. any how this thread is about handheld's and driving not bashing cops.
END RANT

phil... like really... You think I don't know we need law enforcement in the society we live in today? Do you really think that I think everyone else should hate cops? Am I really saying that there aren't good cops as well? I didn't make any of these arguments.

Anyways, there's way to many of them in PEEL. DO you know that they have a quota to fill? They actually have to give out traffic tickets to meet a quota. So you get cops who have nothing to do ... just give out tickets to anyone breaking the law. You know going 1 over the limit is breaking the law... I'm sure you keep 5 below at all times :loco

Why do cops ride around in unmarked cars giving speeding tickets? Do they really want you to stop speeding? Or do they want to give you a ticket? People automatically stop speeding when they see a cop... So why try to sneak around?

[aj3]

Why do cops ride around in unmarked cars giving speeding tickets? Do they really want you to stop speeding? Or do they want to give you a ticket? People automatically stop speeding when they see a cop... So why try to sneak around?

It is so impossible to put cops on every corner and street. It is all about human Psychology. If every driver would think that there is a chance of a stealth cops driving around, then it is a deterrent for speeding.

[2005mazda3]

this law will not stop 90% of the ppl .. i gues its not illegal unless caught

[condor888000]

Yup, but those retards who cause an accident while on the phone will get hit with the fine. I see nothing to complain about there.

[shuller1458]

I don't understand why nobody mentioned it. But the studies have been done many times and it has been determined that the problem is NOT with a hand held phone, but rather MENTAL distruction they provide.

Two hands on a steering wheel, is total BS. All cars are autos and have powersteering, so there is no troule to avaoid accidents if one will occure. I can steering freely with my index finger and my thumb.

Hands free dvices, are no better then hand held, because you still MENTALY destracted.
This law is just another pathetic cash grab for the goverment, same as 50 over. And what "street racers" do you on those lots: dump truck, fire fighter cars, unmarked police cars, minivans, grandmas caddies and oldmobiles...

[Cardinal Fang]

But the studies have been done many times and it has been determined that the problem is NOT with a hand held phone, but rather MENTAL distruction they provide.



Well now there's my excuse.

[mazda lover]

He should be in jail? Wow, it's people like you who invented the stupid 50 over rule your car gets towed without a trial.

I bet when you get caught for speeding prolly going 10 over on the 401, you'll be using the ticket instead of porn to jerk off on.

My point is, and should of said in my post that doing 85 in a 50 might be more serious than doing 50 and over in a 100 zone. A 50 posted are usually in areas for a reason like school zones, heavy foot traffic, parks, etc. Would you want to walk down a street with your parents, brother or sister or your son or daughter and some noob drives buy doing 85 in a 50 or how about 100 in a 50.
No comment on your porn comment you made...have to agree towing the car is not needed, but I think its there to scare us even more not to speed over 50. If they tow your car there is always transit or a cab that can take you to work etc...
how about this law, I guess you don't like this one either as it will be another money grab or another inconvenience to you as you need to slow down, oh poor little baby...lol:bana2
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news_2008/01/08/080108-5.htm

[Cardinal Fang]

The topic for today is Ontario bans hand held devices while driving. Discuss......

[Thrizzl3]

hmm so by fall no one should be driving and talking..there will always be that group of people who will still do it.

[06Touring3]

the amount of people that still do it will probably be surprisingly high

[ZeroChalk]

today I saw the stupidest thing. I was walking to work and I saw this Saab driven my a women talking on the phone. She was making a left turn off a side street (she was facing south) on to Queen. As she slowly crept out she blocked the street car moving east. She kept looking left and right moving out only so much as to prevent the cars behind her from making a right hand turn. She must have had ample opportunities to make the turn, but she was too busy talking. It was a sight you had to witness at how someone could literally block an intersection. Cars were honking, TTC was horning, but wait.. she couldn't hang up for that moment. It was truly idiotic. I ended up walking down queen and a min later I see her zipping by still on the phone.

I'm all for the ban!

[mazda lover]

I don't understand why nobody mentioned it. But the studies have been done many times and it has been determined that the problem is NOT with a hand held phone, but rather MENTAL distruction they provide.

Two hands on a steering wheel, is total BS. All cars are autos and have powersteering, so there is no troule to avaoid accidents if one will occure. I can steering freely with my index finger and my thumb.

Hands free dvices, are no better then hand held, because you still MENTALY destracted.
This law is just another pathetic cash grab for the goverment, same as 50 over. And what "street racers" do you on those lots: dump truck, fire fighter cars, unmarked police cars, minivans, grandmas caddies and oldmobiles...

If by chance you get a ticket for using a phone while driving I suggest you fight it or anybody else here. I suggest you tell the judge you can steer your car with one hand using your index finger and thumb so the law shouldn't apply to you, oh don't forget your car has power steering thats why you can have one hand steering and the other holding the phone on your ear, wonder what the judge would say? anybody want to guess?
...

[shuller1458]

If by chance you get a ticket for using a phone while driving I suggest you fight it or anybody else here. I suggest you tell the judge you can steer your car with one hand using your index finger and thumb so the law shouldn't apply to you, oh don't forget your car has power steering thats why you can have one hand steering and the other holding the phone on your ear, wonder what the judge would say? anybody want to guess?
...

And who says that the Judge is not bias towards majoraty of people who think just like you. Let me repeat myeself, banning the HAND held devices won't do much. Problem is in your brain, when your brain is occupied that's when there is a problem. But the law doesn't say anything about wirless or handless technology, you will still be able to talk.

You probably one of those people who think goverment is REAAAALLY looking after your wellbing. Banning on hand guns to lower gun confrontations on the streets. 99% of guns on the street in crminals and gangs hands are not legal, so how is the banning proper legal ownage of guns will help. It'd just a "move" to show that they care. 50 over is the same BS, I already explaind it in my previous post. They are many examples.

What you got to enforce is EDUCATION and TRAINING of people.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

:pop

[shuller1458]

Manditory winter tires, is another "move". I have been working in a body shop for many years. Everytime there is a snow storm (especially the first in the winter). We get 10 times more cars, all smashed. and guess what, 90% of them got winter tires.

Especially here in the city, where we get actuall snow on the roads for like 10 days through out the winter, other days it's all melted. Snow tires don't make sense.

[Thrizzl3]

Manditory winter tires, is another "move". I have been working in a body shop for many years. Everytime there is a snow storm (especially the first in the winter). We get 10 times more cars, all smashed. and guess what, 90% of them got winter tires.

Especially here in the city, where we get actuall snow on the roads for like 10 days through out the winter, other days it's all melted. Snow tires don't make sense.

where did u go from talking about cell phones to winter tires???

[McGuyver_3]

We all know this means longer line ups for court dates.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Let me repeat...
:pop

[shuller1458]

where did u go from talking about cell phones to winter tires???

Read my previous post, you will follow my "thought movement".

[mazda lover]

Manditory winter tires, is another "move". I have been working in a body shop for many years. Everytime there is a snow storm (especially the first in the winter). We get 10 times more cars, all smashed. and guess what, 90% of them got winter tires.

Especially here in the city, where we get actuall snow on the roads for like 10 days through out the winter, other days it's all melted. Snow tires don't make sense.

I bet 80% of the 90% car drivers were on the phone...yup winter tires don't make sense, another way for big business to make money off of use making us believe winter tires help...:loco:bang:whoa

[Thrizzl3]

Read my previous post, you will follow my "thought movement".

my bad lol

[mazda lover]

:pop

I agree very entertaining isn't it..

[jaimie08mazda3]

let me ask you all a question. HOW MANY OF YOU STILL ANSWER YOUR PHONE WHILE YOUR DRIVING.. or use your ipod or check text messages and such like that... i guarantee every one of you have done it since the new law came into effect. Unfortunately its something people will have to get used to.. i know my girlfriend called me while she was driving... and she is scary enough driving without distractions. but still we all do it one time or another. its going to be one of those laws that are hard to enforce.

[slam525i]

Yeah. Hands free is just a conspiracy from the telecom giants to force us all to buy new phones and headsets. Winter tires is just a conspiracy from the rubber-industrial-complex to make us think it's safer. Same for airbags. and seat belts. and that whole cooking your food thing? that's from the energy companies trying to rip us off.

:pop

(I'm not trolling. I'm being sarcastic to point out the absurdity. :bang)

[condor888000]

Try trolling next time, more fun. :bana2

[tweak_s]

Okay..maybe YOU can drive with one finger, maybe WE can drive with one finger. Maybe even the majority of the people (for example) that can drive with one finger? (I doubt that the majority can but lets say so for arguments sake).

Now what about that 10% (its probably MORE) that CAN'T drive with one finger?

Face it, the majority of drivers suck. Hence, they need less distractions, and the more hands on the wheel, the better. I DO NOT disagree with you on the "mental distractions" research and I agree with it. Right now however, there's a mental AND physical distraction.

The winter tire agreement goes back to the same idea; drivers suck. You get the line of cars in for repair after a collision..but can you tell me you know with absolute certainty that the line would NOT be bigger if there were no winter tires?

Wasn't trying to be attacking, I'm just trying to make a point. In my opinion, any less distraction is a good thing. Unfortunately everyone today seems to think driving is a right; and its starting to show on the road.

[slam525i]

I too agree with the mental distraction being a bigger problem. You should hear me on the phone when i'm driving (on bluetooth). I go incoherent because I can't concentrate on both driving and talking intelligently but i know what to prioritize. Like they teach to pilots "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate". In that order.

I've also seen what happens when someone is holding on to the phone while talking and trying to signal/shift a manual. It's both hilarious and scary at the same time when they get all confused, having 3 things to do and only 2 hands to do it. (Hint: they never just drop the phone)

[shuller1458]

Yeah. Hands free is just a conspiracy from the telecom giants to force us all to buy new phones and headsets. Winter tires is just a conspiracy from the rubber-industrial-complex to make us think it's safer. Same for airbags. and seat belts. and that whole cooking your food thing? that's from the energy companies trying to rip us off.

:pop

(I'm not trolling. I'm being sarcastic to point out the absurdity. :bang)

I did not say anything about conspiracy. You jumping to extreme by saying that the government does NOTHING for your well being, of coarse it does but at 5% of what it can actually do. Governments always used “cookie and a whip” technique.(it’s a saying in Russian) They “beat” you up with a “whip” (new taxes, fees…) and then they give you a “cookie” to sweeten your anger buy saying that they care and protect you (50 over, hand gun ban…).

[JMAK74]

I'm all for this law - too many times I've been caught off, near misses, etc and when I look at the driver, they're on a hand held device.


What you got to enforce is EDUCATION and TRAINING of people.

To enforce something on the public means you have to make a law/rules. Without those, you can't enforce anything.

How are you going to 'enforce' what you've said? Through some notion that people will, out of some 'greater good' just stop using them because they've been taught to not do it?

Human nature (IMHO) is they take/do what they can get away with if there is no punishment/cost. Putting into law that you have to be educated and trained not to use hand held devices/wireless devices on it's own will not provide motive to the public at large to not use them. It is with a law, like this one, which provides a means of punishment and enforcement that people become more motivated to at least think about it a bit more and just maybe not use a handheld device.

Your statement is not far fetched though - with this law along with education that it's just not good to do any non-driving tasks, while driving, it is more likely that people will 'buy in' to the law.

Just my $0.02 in a handsfree world...

[notoriousb]

It is so impossible to put cops on every corner and street. It is all about human Psychology. If every driver would think that there is a chance of a stealth cops driving around, then it is a deterrent for speeding.

Uhhh anyone who doesn't speed cuz of the fear of an undercover cop probably won't speed at all. If you ask any problem speeder they will tell you that they look out for under covers and cop cars. I can tell an under cover a mile off. The people who get caught by undercover are usually innocent drivers who went 15-20 over because they were late for work or something. Why do you think some municipalities are putting up cop car cut outs ? Because a cop car automaticLly stops alll speeders.

[notoriousb]

Anyways.... Instead of fines why not force them to take advanced drivig courses at their expense. That takes care of the real problem ... People who just don't know how to drive.

[JMAK74]

Anyways.... Instead of fines why not force them to take advanced drivig courses at their expense. That takes care of the real problem ... People who just don't know how to drive.

Right - it's not distracted drivers, it's uneducated drivers...

Topics For Today's "How To Use Devices While Driving"
9:00am - 10:30am
How To Text Message While Doing 120km/h, Using Whole Words & Proper Grammar
10:30am - 12:00pm
Connecting Your iPod While Driving - Good Tunes Are Worth It
12:00pm - 1:00pm
Lunch - It Is Recommended Students Try Out What They Learnt While Heading To And While in the Drive-Thru line
1:00pm - 2:15pm
Is It Really Me That's The Problem? - Excuses To Know When Other Drivers Flip You The Bird Or The Cops Pull You Over And To Facts To Point Out To Others That It's Not You, It's Them That Can't Multi-Task in The Fast World We Live In
2:15pm - 3:30pm
How To Text, Make A Phone Call, Do Your Hair, Change a CD and Hook Up Your iPod while checking out your GPS and having a coffee with a bagel in a Snow Storm While Driving to Work All At The Same Time - Please Note That Winter Tires Are Not Required
3:30pm - 4:30pm
The Importance of Having A Will - Did You Want Your Yonger Brother/Sister to Get Your iPod???

[yearoftherat]

I knew masking tape would come in handy one day

http://laeven.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/hands-free-phone.jpg

[Thrizzl3]

I knew masking tape would come in handy one day

http://laeven.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/hands-free-phone.jpg

WOAH! talk about ghetto hands free:chuckle

[mazda lover]

Uhhh anyone who doesn't speed cuz of the fear of an undercover cop probably won't speed at all. If you ask any problem speeder they will tell you that they look out for under covers and cop cars. I can tell an under cover a mile off. The people who get caught by undercover are usually innocent drivers who went 15-20 over because they were late for work or something. Why do you think some municipalities are putting up cop car cut outs ? Because a cop car automaticLly stops alll speeders.

share your secret on spotting an under cover a mile off,

[mazda lover]

let me ask you all a question. HOW MANY OF YOU STILL ANSWER YOUR PHONE WHILE YOUR DRIVING.. or use your ipod or check text messages and such like that... i guarantee every one of you have done it since the new law came into effect. Unfortunately its something people will have to get used to.. i know my girlfriend called me while she was driving... and she is scary enough driving without distractions. but still we all do it one time or another. its going to be one of those laws that are hard to enforce.


first off I don't have a phone
so I don't dial and drive or even text at the same time.
My MP3 is plugged in and it runs on its own, no fast forwarding etc so no playing with it...
question, how important was your gf call, if cell phones weren't available or invented yet what would she do?

[mazda lover]

yeah. Hands free is just a conspiracy from the telecom giants to force us all to buy new phones and headsets. Winter tires is just a conspiracy from the rubber-industrial-complex to make us think it's safer. Same for airbags. And seat belts. And that whole cooking your food thing? That's from the energy companies trying to rip us off.

:pop

(i'm not trolling. I'm being sarcastic to point out the absurdity. :bang)

well said :)

[mazda lover]

Okay..maybe YOU can drive with one finger, maybe WE can drive with one finger. Maybe even the majority of the people (for example) that can drive with one finger? (I doubt that the majority can but lets say so for arguments sake).

Now what about that 10% (its probably MORE) that CAN'T drive with one finger?

Face it, the majority of drivers suck. Hence, they need less distractions, and the more hands on the wheel, the better. I DO NOT disagree with you on the "mental distractions" research and I agree with it. Right now however, there's a mental AND physical distraction.

The winter tire agreement goes back to the same idea; drivers suck. You get the line of cars in for repair after a collision..but can you tell me you know with absolute certainty that the line would NOT be bigger if there were no winter tires?

Wasn't trying to be attacking, I'm just trying to make a point. In my opinion, any less distraction is a good thing. Unfortunately everyone today seems to think driving is a right; and its starting to show on the road.

Another great post and to the point...:)

[mazda lover]

He should be in jail? Wow, it's people like you who invented the stupid 50 over rule your car gets towed without a trial.

I bet when you get caught for speeding prolly going 10 over on the 401, you'll be using the ticket instead of porn to jerk off on.

OH I get it now, "jerk"
The jerk store called they ran out of you....:bana:loco

[JMAK74]

share your secret on spotting an under cover a mile off,

I was going to respond to N's post with "I can usually smell BS a mile away, but my BS detector's been in the shop for the last week.", but then I'd be probably considered 'rude'.

Perhaps spotting an under cover cop car has something to do with the gravitional pull of the sun and using a hand held device while driving.

[notoriousb]

You guys are stupid...

It's a figure of speech --

But telling a cop car and an undercover from the same distance... is pretty easy.

First off underCovers are BLACK or WHITE Ford Vicorias, Dodge Chargers and Cheverlet Impalas.

The writing on the side of the car becomes visible at a certain angle and will say POLICE.

There will be more than 1 antenna coming out of the back.

The rims are always going to be black or steelies.

There will be a cage behind the driver, sometimes, but there will be a barrier from the driver and the rear passenger.


In any case, when I look out for a cop I'm always weary of a black or white Impala, Charger, Victoria in the same way I'm weary of a car that has the sirens up top (which sometimes end up being security).

I've only got 3 tickets total .. and I've been driving for 8 years, and I'm always speeding. Before the over 50 rule, I'd be going 160 - 220 on the 407. I've never crashed my car into another car either. I also use my cell phone when I drive. After the over 50 rule, I go 140-145 on all highways. I also weave in and out of traffic -- I enjoy driving :)

[condor888000]

No. You enjoy your own stupidity.

If you enjoyed driving you'd be smart enough to take it to the track. :AH

[mazdabetty]

No. You enjoy your own stupidity.

If you enjoyed driving you'd be smart enough to take it to the track. :AH

:chuckle


In any case, when I look out for a cop I'm always weary of a black or white Impala, Charger, Victoria in the same way I'm weary of a car that has the sirens up top (which sometimes end up being security).

So then that just leaves this guy out to get ya!

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Zeeman28a/miscellaneous/up-DGVK8RFCIBQ0FI94.jpg

(taken from: http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32367&highlight=taxi)

EDIT: PS... if you've ever driven on the 401 in Kingston, they have the best hiding spots. You'd never get away from one of those guys. :whoa

[mazda lover]

You guys are stupid...

It's a figure of speech --

But telling a cop car and an undercover from the same distance... is pretty easy.

First off underCovers are BLACK or WHITE Ford Vicorias, Dodge Chargers and Cheverlet Impalas.

The writing on the side of the car becomes visible at a certain angle and will say POLICE.

There will be more than 1 antenna coming out of the back.

The rims are always going to be black or steelies.

There will be a cage behind the driver, sometimes, but there will be a barrier from the driver and the rear passenger.


In any case, when I look out for a cop I'm always weary of a black or white Impala, Charger, Victoria in the same way I'm weary of a car that has the sirens up top (which sometimes end up being security).

I've only got 3 tickets total .. and I've been driving for 8 years, and I'm always speeding. Before the over 50 rule, I'd be going 160 - 220 on the 407. I've never crashed my car into another car either. I also use my cell phone when I drive. After the over 50 rule, I go 140-145 on all highways. I also weave in and out of traffic -- I enjoy driving :)

ARE YOU FOR REAL OR ARE YOU JUST YANKING OUR CHAIN. don't believe a word of what you are saying. Troll
so far you have been lucky not crashing into someone and killing someone innocent and your passenger or someone not innocent like you.
To spot the cars you described you need to be close to them which if you are speeding will be to late for you to slow down. So where does the "mile away" play into the skill to spot them...duh...:loco:bang
I hear the 407 will try and reduce speeders by introducing speed timers. When you enter the highway at a certain time they know how long it takes where you exit. If you speed the travel time will be shorter so expect a speeding ticket everyday....LOL :chuckle YA BABY YA

[mazda lover]

:chuckle



So then that just leaves this guy out to get ya!

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x309/Zeeman28a/miscellaneous/up-DGVK8RFCIBQ0FI94.jpg

(taken from: http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32367&highlight=taxi)

EDIT: PS... if you've ever driven on the 401 in Kingston, they have the best hiding spots. You'd never get away from one of those guys. :whoa

Looks like a taxi cab...:bana2

[Cardinal Fang]

Enough of the personal attacks please.

[jaimie08mazda3]

wow cop taxi... scary stuff... man whats next

[kLuMzi]

Here's why:

http://ca.yahoo.com/s/901158

[mazda lover]

Here's why:

http://ca.yahoo.com/s/901158


Great find, but unfortunately some here don't think it will happen to them or be hit from behind while the driver is texting...nothing we show them will change their minds..just some not all...

[shootemup]

wow cop taxi... scary stuff... man whats next

Well in Toronto and in OPP land, you might want to look out for the gold coloured Tahoes, or the silver Montana's... or even Toronto's Porche.

Police services now-a-days will use what ever they can. My brother-in-law is OPP and they used to use a rusted out Grand Am for traffic in the Parry Sound district.

I pride myself on being a skilled driver, but that doesn't make me good. I talk / text all the time... And what I have found, when something starts to happen that requires immediate attention, I throw my phone on the passenger seat and grab the wheel like I should, and I am sure you all do the same. It's like turning down the music when you’re looking for a house number... You need to reduce distraction from your other senses so you can focus on the important one at the time.

I recently had a conversation with a blind man at my work. My colleague asked him if it's true that your other senses are enlightened because you’re blind. After making fun of her for the fact he wouldn't know because he could never see, so how would he know the difference, he made a good point. You are always paying attention to everything going on. You always smell things in the air, hear stuff going on, see things 180 degrees around you, and feel things around you and so on. When you start to focus on one thing (cell phones), you start to neglect your other senses. The more you focus, the less other things you notice. Does not matter how good you are... your human and you will get distracted when focusing on your phone. :bang

What I fear about this new law though, is how people will try to hide the fact that they are texting. I normally see people with their phones up by the steering wheel or in front of them while texting... This way, their prefrial vision can catch things up ahead. However now, they are going to hold the phone in their laps, or to their sides, causing them to focus their vision in a way that they cannot see what’s going on in front of them. :loco

As for enforcement... piece of cake. Most cell phone users are in a trance when driving. They don't look around, or watch their mirrors. A fully marked cruiser can easily creep up behind them or beside them and be unnoticed. :blush

And as for cops breaking the law by talking on their phones while driving... I believe it said clearly in the bill that police, fire, ems, and dispatchers are exempt from the law... so Jaime, no pulling over a cop cause he is on the phone... he's allowed by law ;)

[mazda lover]

Well in Toronto and in OPP land, you might want to look out for the gold coloured Tahoes, or the silver Montana's... or even Toronto's Porche.

Police services now-a-days will use what ever they can. My brother-in-law is OPP and they used to use a rusted out Grand Am for traffic in the Parry Sound district.

I pride myself on being a skilled driver, but that doesn't make me good. I talk / text all the time... And what I have found, when something starts to happen that requires immediate attention, I throw my phone on the passenger seat and grab the wheel like I should, and I am sure you all do the same. It's like turning down the music when you’re looking for a house number... You need to reduce distraction from your other senses so you can focus on the important one at the time.

I recently had a conversation with a blind man at my work. My colleague asked him if it's true that your other senses are enlightened because you’re blind. After making fun of her for the fact he wouldn't know because he could never see, so how would he know the difference, he made a good point. You are always paying attention to everything going on. You always smell things in the air, hear stuff going on, see things 180 degrees around you, and feel things around you and so on. When you start to focus on one thing (cell phones), you start to neglect your other senses. The more you focus, the less other things you notice. Does not matter how good you are... your human and you will get distracted when focusing on your phone. :bang

What I fear about this new law though, is how people will try to hide the fact that they are texting. I normally see people with their phones up by the steering wheel or in front of them while texting... This way, their prefrial vision can catch things up ahead. However now, they are going to hold the phone in their laps, or to their sides, causing them to focus their vision in a way that they cannot see what’s going on in front of them. :loco

As for enforcement... piece of cake. Most cell phone users are in a trance when driving. They don't look around, or watch their mirrors. A fully marked cruiser can easily creep up behind them or beside them and be unnoticed. :blush

And as for cops breaking the law by talking on their phones while driving... I believe it said clearly in the bill that police, fire, ems, and dispatchers are exempt from the law... so Jaime, no pulling over a cop cause he is on the phone... he's allowed by law ;)

what I still don't get is what is so important that we need to use a phone etc 24/7 ....you all heard this before, what did we do before cell phones, how did we get by? can't we wait till we get off the road, parked or home or at our destination? I would guess 90% of calls are just of no importance, just "like to say hi or what are you doing tonight?" :bang

[jaimie08mazda3]

Its all BS to meeeeeee.

[AskClaudio.com]

For everyone’s information, I have attached a copy of the “new” Ontario bill banning the use of cell phones, blackberries and other devises by drivers. It has been proclaimed, but I understand it is not yet in force.

http://www.ontla.on.ca/bills/bills-files/39_Parliament/Session1/b118ra.pdf

[cwp_sedan]

Already discussed. Maybe the threads can be merged.

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32955

[AskClaudio.com]

Sorry, haven't figured out how to use that search feature ... :blush

[cwp_sedan]

Sorry, haven't figured out how to use that search feature ... :blush

No worries. Just search for key words that you are looking for.

This PDF is good though as it shows specifically what the ban covers.

[AskClaudio.com]

I find it interesting though how the Bill mentions:

"Driving a motor vehicle with the display screen of a television, computer or other device visiable to the driver is prohibited."

I wonder how the police officers will handle this seeing as mostly all cars nowadays have a standard tv like stereo unit.

[Ogata]

Are GPSs and Bluetooth headsets still valid? GPS's technically have a screen.

[sunkist4338]

I find it interesting though how the Bill mentions:

"Driving a motor vehicle with the display screen of a television, computer or other device visiable to the driver is prohibited."

I wonder how the police officers will handle this seeing as mostly all cars nowadays have a standard tv like stereo unit.


and a gps unit built into the dash

[Flagrum_3]

If you read the whole thing it specifically states only handheld devices and TV's in particular in the driver's view are illegal.Most oem built in units are still legal.As would be GPS units or aftermarket screens with GPS etc.


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[cwp_sedan]

If you read the whole thing it specifically states only handheld devices and TV's in particular in the driver's view are illegal.Most oem built in units are still legal.As would be GPS units or aftermarket screens with GPS etc.


_3

+1

[Fuman]

Are GPSs and Bluetooth headsets still valid? GPS's technically have a screen.


For everyone’s information, I have attached a copy of the “new” Ontario bill banning the use of cell phones, blackberries and other devises by drivers. It has been proclaimed, but I understand it is not yet in force.

http://www.ontla.on.ca/bills/bills-files/39_Parliament/Session1/b118ra.pdf

Bluetooth headsets are good =)
GPSs itself is fine.
The operation of a GPS when driving the car, is that legal or illegal? I read the pdf, but it doesn't seem to mention it; it does mention the operation of an entertainment device is illegal unless you are legally parked and not in motion.