new car turbo upgrade

[snipexd]

Hello everyone.

I know I'm new to this forum but I was hoping you guys could help me out with some beginner questions. I just bought my first car, its a 2006 mazda 3 gs mtx with about 30000 km and since its my first car I'm excited about starting to modify it even though I'm not picking it up till Tuesday :bang.

I know a lot of people are saying that the best upgrade at the beginnig is intake, header and exhaust. But I decided I want to skip that step and order a turbo kit since the intake and header will be replaced anyways with a turbo kit install.

Long story short, I found enough money to order a turbo kit and am hoping to order it sometime this month. I'm just wondering which one to order. The hiboost one looks good but I heard that the kit is pretty much dead (someone on mazda 3 forums said this), so my only other choice is the F2 one? http://www.f2usa.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_107_110_216&products_id=4694

As well what would I need to install it (jacks, special tools, wires, etc.) apart from whats in the kit. And has anyone installed one of these themselves? And if so are you will to help me out probably in early June (I can pay as much as a student budget allows).

Thanks a lot for any help. Looking forward to getting to know you guys and maybe seeing you at a meet?

[Thrizzl3]

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=19650

[snipexd]

Thanks for the reply.
I've read that thread before and I've kinda ruled out the hiboost kit. I was hoping more for information on the f2 kit, as well as finding someone who has experience with either kit to help me out mostly with the wiring.

[Thrizzl3]

how come you don't like the hi boost kit?

[Noisy Crow]

If I was stuffing in a turbo kit, I would go with the Reactive Racing one.

Check out the theads on it on www.mazda3forums.com

[snipexd]

It's not that I don't like it, in fact I think the hiboost one is better quality from what my mechanic said. Its just that a lot of people are saying that its hard to get ahold of. Like this guy in the thread you just linked to as well as many people on the mazda3forum

Do not go with Hiboost at the moment. There are MANY stories of if taking 6 months to a year to receive all the parts. As more and more kits are coming out at the moment I would suggest looking at them instead. There are currently 3 new ones on the market. Reactive Racing, Tri-point(2.3L only at the moment), and F2(currently a Stage 1 is around, Stage 2, which is intercooled, is in the works).

[snipexd]

If I was stuffing in a turbo kit, I would go with the Reactive Racing one.

Check out the theads on it on www.mazda3forums.com

Yeah, I've looked at this one too but for the life of me I can't find where to order one or to contact this "Dee" guy. Any info would be great.

[snipexd]

Edit: I found the reactive kit at mazda3mods.com but they are out of stock. Sorry for triple posting!

[Noisy Crow]

Yeah, I've looked at this one too but for the life of me I can't find where to order one or to contact this "Dee" guy. Any info would be great.
www.mazda3mods.com

Or go to the Reactive Racing web site, grab Dee's phone number and give him a shout.

[Noisy Crow]

Edit: I found the reactive kit at mazda3mods.com but they are out of stock. Sorry for triple posting!

Out of stock on a $4K item = custom order

[snipexd]

Thanks a lot for you're help noisy crow.
So are you are saying that the reactive kit is better than the f2 kit? Keep in mind that massive horse power is not my goal, just reliability as a daily driver and maybe a 60 to 80 hp gain. As well have you installed the kit before because I'm looking for some help when I order it.

[x_o_k_x]

you could always adjust boost preasure to give you power you want.

Out of topic: What essentially needed to swap speed3 engine into a regular 3?
Nevermind found my answer..
But just wandering if speed3 TMIC would fit in, or it would need FMIC, due to a hood not beeing able to close?

[snipexd]

you could always adjust boost preasure to give you power you want.


I know I can adjust the psi, I just mean that I don't need a kit with an expensive turbo like a gt35r or a huge one like a 60.

[Donutz]

I've been looking at the Reactive kit and the Tripoint kit. I would go with tripoint.
I believe they have been tuning mazda's for some time. If you don't know who they are look them up. I believe they run the ms6 team / cars in the speed world challenge.

Also, ask yourself what you want from the kit and research those points. For example, I believe it is either the tripoint or hiboost that is making 250 tq and others are around 210 to 230 tq.

[Noisy Crow]

I've been looking at the Reactive kit and the Tripoint kit. I would go with tripoint.

Tripoint would be my other choice as well.

That said, before dropping $4k on a turbo kit I would want to see some installations in person first...

[midnightfxgt]

Most of the info in the FAQ will apply to all kits.

I havent kept up on the Tripoint kit, but have talked to Dee several times while he was developing his, and I wouldnt hesitate to buy his :)

When I bought mine, it was the only one available, so I made due ;)

-John

[snipexd]

I've been looking at the Reactive kit and the Tripoint kit. I would go with tripoint.


Isn't the tripoint kit only for the 2.3? I only have the 2.0 so wouldn't some of the piping and fuel maps be different for example? Or would it work on the 2.0 without any problems.

As well like noisy crow said I'd really like to see the reactive kit and the others kits like the f2 before I choose. Right now I'm leaning more towards the reactive kit after reading you're replies.

Maybe I'll try and find some members with these kits installed. Do you guys know of anyone?

And btw whens the next meet maybe I could come? I saw the last one at don mills but didn't stop by...

[x_o_k_x]

tripoint kit should fit on 2.0, but AFAIK you will need to remap and tune for 2.0 engine

[snipexd]

tripoint kit should fit on 2.0, but AFAIK you will need to remap and tune for 2.0 engine

The only thing is the aem fic right? How hard is it to remap that (obviously I can't do it myself). Where is the best shop to do it?

And when you say tune do you mean the ecu? Or just the fuel controller.

[icecubetray]

Reactive kit for sure.....no brainer for install....

[freddymak18]

supercharge!

[Donutz]

Supercharger introduces some amount of parasitic drag. Turbo spools for free...

[snipexd]

supercharge!

Lol. Theres no supercharger kit and I'm not good enough to custom install one. Anyways I've narrowed it down to reactive or tripoint kit, most likely the tripoint one IF i can find someone to remap the fuel controller. Any suggestions for a good tuner in thornhill or markham -ish area?

[Donutz]

Don't know of any tuners, but I'm keeping an eye on this. I'm also looking for a tuner. I'll be going with the CP-E standback if it's available by August.

Try calling JRP and see if they can recommend someone to you. Maybe John can tell you who his tuner is (if he used one!).

[snipexd]

Sorry I don't know John. I dont really know anyone's name here.

[Donutz]

Post 16 of this thread.

[omalak]

Most of the info in the FAQ will apply to all kits.

I havent kept up on the Tripoint kit, but have talked to Dee several times while he was developing his, and I wouldnt hesitate to buy his :)

When I bought mine, it was the only one available, so I made due ;)

-John

^^^ That would be John :) get in touch with him. Great guy

[midnightfxgt]

Sorry guys, I didnt keep up on this thread.

I have tuned myself, and it OK, but not great. Its rich, but safe for now. I plan on having it tuned ($600ish) at Neetronics in Mississauga. Thats all they do, literally.... tune cars (mostly boosted). :)

Jason - I didnt know you were looking at boosting! I could have shown you my setup when you were at the shop Sat.

-John

[whiteomega]

Supercharger introduces some amount of parasitic drag. Turbo spools for free...

not really; you still have to have some pressure on the turbo to spool the turbine. that pressure comes from two places: expanding exhaust gas, and the pressure induced on the expanding gas by the cylinder on the exhaust stroke.

it still takes some energy away, it's just the loss isn't as significant. the TPE kit was supposedly developed from their involvement with Mazdaspeed for the MPS version of the 3. might be worth looking at.

[Donutz]

^ Agreed, I suppose it is somewhat inaccurate of me to state that a turbo 'spools for free'. Personally, when I think of back pressure vs parasitic drag two different things come to mind.

The turbo will create some amount of back pressure in the mani and cylinder, which I guess you could define as parasitic drag, but I wouldn't put it in the same category as a supercharger. The supercharger is belt driven directly by the engine where the turbo is, as you have stated, driven by gases. This, for me, is the difference between parasitic drag and back pressure.

I agree that someone in market for power adders should look at both products (if the supercharger comes to market). I would warn anyone to do their research though as superchargers and turbos have different pros and cons, including power characteristics.

[Donutz]

Jason - I didnt know you were looking at boosting! I could have shown you my setup when you were at the shop Sat.


Wifey-to-be was there. She's been digging on me to stop modding because we are getting married in July, and we are already house hunting. Hopefully when I come in for tires you'll have the car there. I wouldn't mind looking it over!

[midnightfxgt]

I'll try and make it a point to have it out that day.

[snipexd]

Sorry guys, I didnt keep up on this thread.

I have tuned myself, and it OK, but not great. Its rich, but safe for now. I plan on having it tuned ($600ish) at Neetronics in Mississauga. Thats all they do, literally.... tune cars (mostly boosted). :)

Jason - I didnt know you were looking at boosting! I could have shown you my setup when you were at the shop Sat.

-John

What kit did you use btw? I still haven't ordered it and after two weeks with only 148hp I need my turbo!

As well the only upside of a supercharger I can think of right now is no turbo lag. But with a smaller turbo charger I'm not sure if thats an issue, but I do have a smaller engine (2.0)...

[em3]

Have you looked at the classifieds? Boris is selling his turbo kit

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=33354

[Boris]

What kit did you use btw? I still haven't ordered it and after two weeks with only 148hp I need my turbo!

As well the only upside of a supercharger I can think of right now is no turbo lag. But with a smaller turbo charger I'm not sure if thats an issue, but I do have a smaller engine (2.0)...

he uses the hiboost kit, which is same as mine, and i also have the 3"dp. and i'm also selling my turbo kit since i'm getting a new car, if u're interested. pm me, may be we can work something out.