MS3: bent rods/blown engines and Mazda

[Fobio]

Read what you will on your own about this, but this wknd has been full of less than pleasant news for the MS3's...

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/pt-performance/27590-you-want-me-punch-where-hurts-most.html

this post in particular strikes a cord:

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/pt-performance/27590-you-want-me-punch-where-hurts-most.html#post222563



I think I'll weight in at this point...

I'm the member that contacted PTP today after a visit to my local dealer.

I went in to get an oil filter for my oil change tomorrow. While I was there I struck up a conversation with Malcolm (Head of parts and service). I asked him if they have had any of the MZR engines come in with bent rods. He said "No". I started to explain PTP's theory when he finished the theory for me. He knew what was going on with the PCV system and confirmed it was a problem. He fixed the PCV system on his son's speed 3 as well as blocked off the EGR.

He also confirmed the Mazda Canada knew about the engines will not do a recall as the event doesn't occur on stock engines. That is why they are using it as proof of engine modification regardless of the state of the engine when it comes in (AKA, going back to stock won't help you).

Whether or not Mazda designed the engine that way or whether they are just taking advantage of a discovered flaw is speculation.

David

no one loves your car like you do... :bang

[mleblond]

Wow, that is the worst thing Ive heard so far. Wonder if you called mazdaspeed dev. if they have a kit for ya ;)

[CanadaGTO]

I'm a little skeptical at the moment. This is 3rd hand info from a vendor who is trying to sell a kit that fixes this supposed problem.

I'd like to get some more info first.

For Mazda to design in a specific weakness into an engine that only effects Mod'd cars would be awefull dangerous and might could create more problems from them.

[Cardinal Fang]

For Mazda to design in a specific weakness into an engine that only effects Mod'd cars would be awefull dangerous and might could create more problems from them.

I'd have to agree here. The legal ramifications would be astronomical. You'd have lawyers lining up for a class action lawsuit.

[MSMitch]

Mod a car enough, and somethings gonna give...
To "design" a weakness in a car??? Nice conspiracy theory. That would mean Mazda would have already developed all possible variation of mods to see what would cause it to fail, yadda yadda yadda.
Still, I don't like the whole, "your car has problem X? Oh, well, it must be because of this air intake, etc..."
Will sit back and see what happens when all the dust settles - besides, no $$ for any more mods this year anyway! :(

[alhope34]

Well, this is still a possibility. Like someone said on MSF, maybe Mazda didn't specifically MEAN for this to happen, but now that it IS they aren't doing anything to fix it because it will not affect stock motors and are in fact using it to see what motors have been modded or not.

[Fobio]

I agree that Mazda didn't design a "failure" to catch modders...that's too smart even for mighty Mazda...hehe...

what I agree with tho, is that if you bent a rod, they have it in their mind that you're guilty of say, overboosting, before they'll consider their PCV's design flaw as the culprit...

what if a stock engine blows due to the shitty PCV? are you at risk?

I don't care much about theories...I do care about first hand experience with a service advisor knowing about a design flaw that the manufacturer deemed to be acceptable given the cost/benefit analysis of doing a recall...

[Fobio]

Wow, that is the worst thing Ive heard so far. Wonder if you called mazdaspeed dev. if they have a kit for ya ;)

that's actually a great idea...and a great way for them to track who does what to their cars...:chuckle

[mleblond]

that's actually a great idea...and a great way for them to track who does what to their cars...:chuckle

true but at lease your no warranty becomes half priced parts :)

Either way if someone know anyone in the mazda racing community that can sed some light on this engine that would be the best idea. But then again big brother mazda might hvae them on a closed loop....hahaha the drama unfolds....

[-cj-]

lol... See I can't see Mazda going through all this trouble. I bet they just discovered that their PCV system is flawed and that they're fixing it on their race team's cars, but probably won't touch it on consumer vehicles because in stock form there's no issue.

It's kind of like saying "If I up the boost to 30psi, my XXX breaks... Improve XXX..." At what point do they stop improving the engine?

Don't get me wrong, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I wonder if the PCV system has changed at all on the 2010's... Also, has anyone tried ptp's "challenge"?

[Fobio]

another member pointed out: well you guys are pumping at least 20% more power out of these things and most designs have a 20% uplift from OEM specs limit.

I tend to agree...I'm never one to abuse the car and cry foul afterwards...and I'm nowhere close to the point where I'm even playing with boost and bending rods...

But...I have been meaning to install my oil-catch can ever since my car smoked after a hard session on the track (I only have an intake an a tune)...nothing wrong with turbo seal, no abuse of the car...so why? Whereas some other turbo cars burn oil, why do our cars have more liquid in the oil-pan at an oil-change than the oil you originally put in?

blow-by is definitely an issue with our cars, even stock...fully-bolted cars with increased boost/output only exacerbates the issue...

I'm not even going to bring up over-engineered engines from Europe and "clunker" technology from good ol' US of A with bullet-proof V8's @ 100% power over stock, but with stock internals...

[Fobio]

true but at lease your no warranty becomes half priced parts :)

Either way if someone know anyone in the mazda racing community that can sed some light on this engine that would be the best idea. But then again big brother mazda might hvae them on a closed loop....hahaha the drama unfolds....

this is where someone like Tri-point comes in... :pop

[chinsterr]

I had a prof that said "designing to fail is very common in the automotive sector" and used the following example:

If all GM timing belts failed around the 100K-120K marker, that would be an indication of a good design. Its easy to build things that will likely never fail, however, to get them to fail at a predetermined time is a good design.

It doesn't really apply here , but you can see the lengths automotive companies will go to suck more money out of the consumer.

It will be interesting to see how this whole thing unfolds, becuase things like this (see below) would cause a shit storm ......




what if a stock engine blows due to the shitty PCV? are you at risk?

...

[Fobio]

for cost, weight, and overall packaging concerns, you can't expect Mazda to sell you a M1A1 Abrams tank fully over-engineered to survive WW3...and I'm sure many many MANY parts are designed to operate within specs AND to fail when operated outside of specs...

the rods are one thing...but a shitty PCV that causes bend rods and blown engine is another issue...a better designed PCV box with multiple baffles (think a mini maze/labryrinth) could easily eliminate this problem...a bike mechanic I chatted up yesterday say that bikes deal with this all the time...with catch cans, etc, but a well designed PCV would all but eliminate this from the get go...

so yes, rods and pistons can be designed to fail over time due to wear and tear and more importantly abuse...but what if the engine and its internals are properly designed but gets the "rat-f*ck" by the PCV? Is that the owners fault for boosting a capable engine with a shitty PCV that back stabs it? Or Mazda for putting a shitty PCV with a gloriously designed turbo engine?

Might be a case where the bean-counters should be lined up for the firing squad...but that's just me...I love engineers, not so much for automotive accountants...

[Mazda3X2]

Could someone that knows the problem and proposed fix please clue me in a little?

I have read the posts in the linked thread over and this is what I get out of it;

- Oil blow by into the intake is causing possible bent rods on modified cars.
- Part throttle knock is caused by some design flaw of the PVC system?
- There is a fix for both of these things, are they one in the same thing?

Thank you.

[Fobio]

Could someone that knows the problem and proposed fix please clue me in a little?

I have read the posts in the linked thread over and this is what I get out of it;

- Oil blow by into the intake is causing possible bent rods on modified cars.
- Part throttle knock is caused by some design flaw of the PVC system?
- There is a fix for both of these things, are they one in the same thing?

Thank you.

I think this is basically what's wrong with our PCV and EGR:


He knew what was going on with the PCV system and confirmed it was a problem. He fixed the PCV system on his son's speed 3 as well as blocked off the EGR.

The fix is detailed by Cobb for thru their oil-catch can installation. The EGR removal was pioneered by whoosh with a machined block off plate...you may then have emission issues and likely set off alarms at you next dealer visit...and at this point, these MAY just be band-aid solutions.

The nitty-gritty is such that during high-boost, the crankcase can become pressurized and oil is sucked into the intake and may pool or collect in the intake tract....and in extreme cases can be sucked right into the combustion chamber...if the engine takes one big enough "gulp of oil", the engine hydrolocks with the oil being on the top of the piston and boom, bent rods...this is speculation at this point...

Also PTP's theory with blow-by and gasoline seepage into the crankcase speculates that the gasoline in the oil is actually igniting and detonating the engine...causing the phantom knock...again speculation at this point...

The goal is to keep the intake tract clean and keep the crank case from being pressurized...venting the crankcase should not be the only option.

[-cj-]

In theory, with the catch can, you should be able to see if any of these theories have any merit. I guess that was PTP's challenge anyway.

If I start seeing oil in the catch can then I'd start looking at ways to fix the PCV... My KLZE motor didn't have an EGR system, but come emissions time I was able to run it as a 'Hot rod' car and it passed emissions. I doubt our MS3 would be so lucky (as to pass emissions without an EGR...).

[BlK98Cx]

after reading about this issue it's really giving goose bumps!!!

first, when you guys say's modded!!!! are we talking about fully-bolt with boost being raise????
would an intake and blow off valve only trigger the pcv to blow the motor?

sorry for the noob question?

[brecker]

I don't miss any of this :chuckle

[kid_icarus]

is this simply a result of modifications
or modifications PLUS cobb Accessport?

[Fobio]

is this simply a result of modifications
or modifications PLUS cobb Accessport?

this issue has nothing directly to do with the Cobb Accessport. your car is subject to increased stress once you start to push it beyond its designed operating specs. however, the issue at hand is not the engine and its internals, but rather what happens to a perfectly fine engine that CAN take a beating when the manufacturer decides to pair it with a sub-par PCV and EGR system that can not keep up with the output of the engine.

[kid_icarus]

ahh i see
i saw a few terms thrown here and there
and mixed up some info from the bricking thread
and thought they were sorta related...

interesting....
makes me wonder at what point is "too much stress"
especially when mazda sold their own cai's, and cat backs and etc...
what mod would put u into that "the car can't take it anymore" range

[mleblond]

I am pretty sure you will see oil in the catch can...

[Fobio]

I am pretty sure you will see oil in the catch can...

look man...I got a 500ml catch can ready to install this week...but I'm ordering a full size 1000ml catch can...that's how much shite I expect to catch... :flaming

[Mazda3X2]

Thanks to Fobio for clarifying things.

So a catch can mod seems to be a good idea regardless, by the sound of things even for a relitively stock engine. I'll have to look into this.

[-cj-]

LOL @ 1000 ml catch can... That's scary, but probably not far fetched.

Are you guys making your own catch can solution or buying something off the shelf? Where are you guys mounting it? I love the clean look of my engine bay and don't want to mess it up ;) I think I may end up doing this mod soon as well. I'm guessing you guys don't throw the oil back into the oil pan, eh? (Full of gasoline?) ;)

[Fobio]

LOL @ 1000 ml catch can... That's scary, but probably not far fetched.

Are you guys making your own catch can solution or buying something off the shelf? Where are you guys mounting it? I love the clean look of my engine bay and don't want to mess it up ;) I think I may end up doing this mod soon as well. I'm guessing you guys don't throw the oil back into the oil pan, eh? (Full of gasoline?) ;)

Not gonna muck around with this, since this is more of a fix rather than an upgrade. I've got a mFactory unbaffled can for now. I've contacted garage16 for their OCC group buy:

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=33206

I will add baffling material/steel wool to this once I get it. The collected liquid is not just gasoline and oil...some say there's water/moisture from condensation collected as well.

I think the Cobb instructions recommend the front passenger corner infront of the wheel well.

[-cj-]

I'm in.

Check this out:

Taken from http://krystmsgarage.com/?p=278


Here are the results of after 100 Miles or so before a Much needed oil change as well as 100% VTA without a StandBack to tune out the richness.

http://krystmsgarage.com/pics/oil_cc/16.JPG



It's probably made worse because he's running 100% VTA without a proper tune.

Not sure what kind of Mazda it was, so I know it doesn't really apply to here, but I'm new to this whole catch can idea and that picture is nasty. I just hope none of that stuff would have acted as lubricants to the motor lol

[Fobio]

Krystm has an MS3...I've been reading his OCC install walk-thru for over a yr now...I think somewhere in there, he (or another guy) did another drain @ 1000 miles...it was about a full cup in one of those clear plastic cups.

[-cj-]

That's crazy! I'm glad you convinced me to do this mod ;) Read about it when I got my AP and was like 'meh... later.'

[kid_icarus]

so the catch can "fixes" or "prevents" all this from happening?
or it's just a monitoring tool/mod to look out for it?

[-cj-]

PTP's theory is that it causes the bent rods. I don't know if it does or not (I'm sure we'll know eventually), but at the very least, it'll keep your engine running clean.

[CanadaGTO]

Here's a good walk through on the install. It's not easy, but well worth it.

http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=90535

[kid_icarus]

i'm guessing that oil catch can will need to me emptied every so often?

this thread is causing some concern for me now...

[CanadaGTO]

Don't quite panic yet. There are plenty of MS3's putting down close to 300 WHP that have not had these types of issues yet, it's just we're starting to get close to the limit and a catch can is good to have whether this is an issue or not.

[kid_icarus]

so i guess there's no such thing as a pcv and egr upgrade that we can purchase to simply alleviate these 'crappy' stock pcv's and egr's?

[mleblond]

not yet


Pat, how much is yours putting down? :chuckle

[Fobio]

so i guess there's no such thing as a pcv and egr upgrade that we can purchase to simply alleviate these 'crappy' stock pcv's and egr's?

well, that's what PTP is prolly working on to sell you as a "kit". regardless of PTP's theories and findings, I think the OCC is a good idea to keep that crap from clogging your intake tract. PTP's findings is more a summation of the community's suspicion, but he's the first one to tear down an engine BEFORE it blew that shows bent rods...so at this point, the OCC is for pre-cautions...

There's no need for panic, but knowing this now rather than later could save some headaches.

[Pilzz]

So when / Who is someone going to setting up the GB for the catch cans?? :chuckle

[CanadaGTO]

not yet


Pat, how much is yours putting down? :chuckle

I do not post dyno numbers :) But I'm putting down enough.

[kid_icarus]

Not gonna muck around with this, since this is more of a fix rather than an upgrade. I've got a mFactory unbaffled can for now. I've contacted garage16 for their OCC group buy:

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=33206

I will add baffling material/steel wool to this once I get it. The collected liquid is not just gasoline and oil...some say there's water/moisture from condensation collected as well.

I think the Cobb instructions recommend the front passenger corner infront of the wheel well.


So when / Who is someone going to setting up the GB for the catch cans?? :chuckle

didn't see it either until i was re-reading this thread for the 4th time
but fobio posted a GB thatgarage 16 is running

[mleblond]

yeah no offense but i don't like that catch can. There was someone in the states building a kit for the ms3 including the second pcv valve.

[Fobio]

yeah no offense but i don't like that catch can. There was someone in the states building a kit for the ms3 including the second pcv valve.

the detailed cobb instructions advised to use a NAPA part...I picked up an OEM Mazda PCV valve from Joe/MOT...~$22 TM3 price...Jimmy Mac on MSF has updated detailed instructions on how to install ANY generic OCC with the OEM Mazda PCV valve to complete the Cobb-fix.

Edit:

Link to Cobb documentation: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/mazdaspeed-3-engine-transmission-driveline/12685-cobb-pcv-fix-documented.html?highlight=catch+install

Link to JimmyMac's install w/ pics: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/mazdaspeed-3-how-tos/7216-how-mazdaspeed-3-catch-can-install-tons-pics.html?highlight=catch+install

Part #: L3K9-13-890

[mleblond]

the detailed cobb instructions advised to use a NAPA part...I picked up an OEM Mazda PCV valve from Joe/MOT...~$22 TM3 price...Jimmy Mac on MSF has updated detailed instructions on how to install ANY generic OCC with the OEM Mazda PCV valve to complete the Cobb-fix.


Yep simple enough, I just want a nice black catch can that doesnt pop up in your face when you pop the hood.

[Fobio]

Yep simple enough, I just want a nice black catch can that doesnt pop up in your face when you pop the hood.

lol...I'll sell you mine...black and shiny... =)

this should end up UNDER your windshield washer reservoir...so it's not like it's on top of your valve cover where your TMIC used to be...:chuckle

dude...with the powa you're pushing, you might need two of these...j/k...

[mleblond]

I want this one:
http://www.eliteengineeringusa.com/Catch_Can.html

[Fobio]

I want this one:
http://www.eliteengineeringusa.com/Catch_Can.html

you have expensive taste my friend...PTP's slinging one (soon) for ~$100USD...and I think that's too pricey...if you're looking for a high-end catch-can, you can't go wrong with Saiku-Michi (for Porsche's) and Perrin (for high-power STi's/EVO's)...

Dude...palerider is chopping TiZi's red Perrin OCC on MSF...not black, but might work for you.

[mleblond]

you have expensive taste my friend...PTP's slinging one (soon) for ~$100USD...and I think that's too pricey...if you're looking for a high-end catch-can, you can't go wrong with Saiku-Michi (for Porsche's) and Perrin (for high-power STi's/EVO's)...

Dude...palerider is chopping TiZi's red Perrin OCC on MSF...not black, but might work for you.

Well I am waiting to see what ptp comes out with first... may have a look at tizi's...

[-cj-]

dude...with the powa you're pushing, you might need two of these...j/k...

:chuckle

I'll admit, I'm not a big fan of the shiny catch can either... But I don't want to spend $200 on a catch can. ;)

That being said, I wonder if I can spray paint this one black lol. I'd probably have to scuff the hell out of it eh?

[Fobio]

if you guys are really interested, I can get these powder coated black as long as we can take all the plastic/rubber fittings off...but if you go the spray paint route, just scruff it with sandpaper or a Dremel, 2 coats of primer and your favourite automotive colour and a layer of clear coat and you're good to go...

heck, you should even be able to use the steel wool you buy to baffle with to scruff the can up...:bana

[-cj-]

Dude, you said the magic words... I'm totally up for powder coating this sucker lol. Otherwise it'll be the spray paint route! I've been itching to get my hands dirty on this new car SOMEHOW... Jimmy can't have all the fun. ;)

[MRT_MS3]

I'm running stock right now but seing what goes into the intake tract kinda scares me a bit. I'm only at 10000 KMS and hoping to stay stock for the next 2 years or til I reach 60000KMS just for warranty purposes.

Would dealers give you a hastle about this if you run by a warranty issue in the near future? Isn't this illegal? I heard a cop could give you a ticket if you ever get caught with a OCC.

[alhope34]

This stuff is kinda scary. When I get more cash I'll probably get a catch can and get Jimmy to install it. For now, I'm going back to just intake and exhaust due to temporary financial reasons anyway.

[Fobio]

I'm running stock right now but seing what goes into the intake tract kinda scares me a bit. I'm only at 10000 KMS and hoping to stay stock for the next 2 years or til I reach 60000KMS just for warranty purposes.

Would dealers give you a hastle about this if you run by a warranty issue in the near future? Isn't this illegal? I heard a cop could give you a ticket if you ever get caught with a OCC.

OCC's are not illegal...vented catch-cans or vented crankcase (where you're releasing pre-catalytic converter exhaust to the atmosphere) are VERY illegal...and aren't even options for me.

[Unoriginalusername]

I don't miss any of this :chuckle

+1... sorry fellas

[alhope34]

I'm kinda fed up with hearing things about exploding too, but I love my car wayyy too much to ever get rid of it.

This is my plan for next year...

http://kawasakininja250r.net/gallery2/d/31-1/red+kawi+ninja+250r+sportbike.jpg

And my plan for when I turn 25...

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/alhope34/yamaha-r6-2008-blu-nera.jpg


I might get the Ninja this year, $100 a month for a 5 year open loan, $500 down. Let it sit for a year till I can afford to get my M2 and pay insurance for it next spring.

[Fobio]

I don't know about everyone here but for me, eventho PTP came out with a theory, and have pics as his evidence, it changes nothing for me:

1. I only have an intake and a tune...
2. Yeah, I drive the car the way it's meant to be driven...in controlled environments, as fast as I can, every corner, every straight... and you know what...she loves it...every moment and every rev...and things have been great (so far)
3. I take care of my car.
4. I don't plan to abuse the car and use it as a lab rat on a dyno or dragstrip...
5. And even with a downpipe and other future mod plans, the car will still operate within its abilities...I will not ask of the car what I can not do myself, if that makes any sense.

having said that, the plan for me to do an OCC has been in place since the very beginning...and this is just motivation to do so.

So...I'm not spreading panic...stock guys with a intake and an exhaust shouldn't worry too much, but it's a good reason to love your car a little more...get it that good oil, and do it regularly...keep an eye out on your oil at oil changes...listen to what your car is saying by listening to it....I don't think that's outside of what we do everyday anyway...

I'm just sharing information...and I hope I haven't shared too much to cause panic with ppl...I'm not a vendor and I have no other motivation to talk about this other than to give everyone a heads up and hopefully will have heads on the issue if it becomes a headache.

[alhope34]

I am personally not panic'd, I know the MS3's engine is capable of handling intake/TBE/tune relatively easily. My problem is that I want at the very very least 300,000kms out of this car and I realize that will never happen if I keep it at 325hp to the crank. Like I said, because of financial reasons I have to part with my AP and my turbo inlet. I will probably get another AP when work picks up again just because I really like to be able to use power in the first two gears while the wheels are turned, better weather tuning, etc. The catch can is just something I should get for safety sometime in the future. I'm for sure going to stick with intake and exhaust throughout my car's life and most probably the AP, too. I just need to finish paying off my old car to clear up that $85 a month loan and to take my credit card back down a bit closer to $0 owing, haha.

[-cj-]

Hold the phone, I thought you had a DP and some other mods? Did you put down 281 whp (with a shitty dyno run) with just I/IP/E/AP?

And for me, it also changes nothing. I've got 11.5k on the odo and I'm running I/IP/AP with a 93 octane tune. Car sounds mean and I do some spirited driving on highways and 70/80kph roads in Mississauga... Haven't taken it to the track yet (gotta buy another set of wheels), but for me the catch can is just to keep my engine clean if anything.

If this car breaks down on me before 200k I'll be pissed... But I'll also [promptly] put it back together.. ;)



... and probably sell it lol. Too be honest, I'll probably jump ship to another car in 3-5 years anyway... Although I'm loving the MS3. I want to experience high powered RWD... Maybe AWD. Anyways, off topic...

[BlK98Cx]

I don't know about everyone here but for me, eventho PTP came out with a theory, and have pics as his evidence, it changes nothing for me:

1. I only have an intake and a tune...
2. Yeah, I drive the car the way it's meant to be driven...in controlled environments, as fast as I can, every corner, every straight... and you know what...she loves it...every moment and every rev...and things have been great (so far)
3. I take care of my car.
4. I don't plan to abuse the car and use it as a lab rat on a dyno or dragstrip...
5. And even with a downpipe and other future mod plans, the car will still operate within its abilities...I will not ask of the car what I can not do myself, if that makes any sense.

having said that, the plan for me to do an OCC has been in place since the very beginning...and this is just motivation to do so.

So...I'm not spreading panic...stock guys with a intake and an exhaust shouldn't worry too much, but it's a good reason to love your car a little more...get it that good oil, and do it regularly...keep an eye out on your oil at oil changes...listen to what your car is saying by listening to it....I don't think that's outside of what we do everyday anyway...

I'm just sharing information...and I hope I haven't shared too much to cause panic with ppl...I'm not a vendor and I have no other motivation to talk about this other than to give everyone a heads up and hopefully will have heads on the issue if it becomes a headache.

AMEN!!!! now i love my speed 3 again!!!!!

[alhope34]

Hold the phone, I thought you had a DP and some other mods? Did you put down 281 whp (with a shitty dyno run) with just I/IP/E/AP?



I do have a downpipe. That's part of the exhaust lol. I only have the small one though, as I have the stock 2.5" catted mid pipe.

[-cj-]

I do have a downpipe. That's part of the exhaust lol. I only have the small one though, as I have the stock 2.5" catted mid pipe.

Lol damn, you got my hopes up! I always think of exhaust as after the dp but you're right, it's still exhaust ;) I was hoping you did all that without the dp lol. I really need to dyno my ride.

[Fobio]

anyone know a machinist that can churn out some block-off plates for us? EGR delete is as simple as the infamous turbo delete lol...just take it out and plug it!

any fabricators or tool and die makers around here?

[alhope34]

anyone know a machinist that can churn out some block-off plates for us? EGR delete is as simple as the infamous turbo delete lol...just take it out and plug it!

any fabricators or tool and die makers around here?

I would have been able to if I was still in high school. Not that it helps us now, I don't have access to a machine shop anymore. :P

[MRT_MS3]

anyone know a machinist that can churn out some block-off plates for us? EGR delete is as simple as the infamous turbo delete lol...just take it out and plug it!

any fabricators or tool and die makers around here?

Its just a matter of plugging the EGR? It won't throw CEL or anything? I guess you need to put it back when you get the car e-tested?

[Fobio]

Its just a matter of plugging the EGR? It won't throw CEL or anything? I guess you need to put it back when you get the car e-tested?

basically yes...and with the AccessPort, you can turn off the EGR CEL if it pops up. still not something I'd take to every dealer out there...hopefully, there will be some cool ones that will understand...

prolly not tho...sigh...:bang

[-cj-]

I'd do the EGR delete after your warranty runs out. =) Of course, by then you'll have to etest the car. I don't know how they'll react to the whole catch can thing... The EGR being blocked off might piss them off. I've heard some dealers are picky even with "T"'s for boost gauges...