Street Race on the DVP - Two killed, one injured

[jonjon72]

Alright, I know a few of you here have read the news about this incident on the DVP.

What are your thoughts?

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/661826

[Mazda3X2]

Sorry for their family & friends, but same as always, take it to the track.

I know it's tempting sometimes, I feel it. And I believe it's ok to risk your own life for whatever reason you feel valid. Risk assessment people. But don't risk my safety or that of my family and friends on the road. Same with driving drunk.

[ZeroChalk]

evolution + stupidity.

[Islandless]

Unfortunate for the families and those involved for sure but I agree with what was said above. If you choose to do it, why would you do it on one of the busiest highways in Canada? Just askin for trouble

[Cardinal Fang]

I'm sorry but two people crammed into the passenger seat of a two seater convertible while the driver is busy street racing with another car?

W T F?

[jonjon72]

Agreed. Its pure stupidity to be racing on the streets in the first place but then to load up a two seater with an extra passenger to top it off. No seat belt of course.

The driver in the white car better be getting a good lawyer. Damage to your vehicle, multiple witnesses and various cameras along the DVP. Your toast!

[Fobio]

it's embarassing how quickly The Star is able to dig up the kid's FB and the reported white car...

[jonjon72]

Actually I see alot of media sites now Google, FB or MySpace an individuals name. Nothing is hidden anymore.

You can see alot more pics even though his profile has somewhat limited access.

[kid_icarus]

i'm suprised the girl survived who was in the passenger seat......

[condor888000]

Darwin in action.

Thankfully no bystanders were injured, only the ones stupid enough to be in the car.

[Fobio]

i'm suprised the girl survived who was in the passenger seat......

this is a hard topic to discuss as nobody wants to die or cause anyone's death, but it's isn't seatbelts that save lives...

back in the day, before seat belts were mandatory, it is not uncommon to find drivers/passengers being flung far from the vehicle during an accident AND survives...many race car drivers, especially, didn't wear seat belts to prevent themselves from getting trapped in their rolling gas can if anything happened...they did indeed prefer to be flung far from the danger and wreckage, and take their chanced with trees and cliffs instead...

Nowadays, with lawyers and law suits, the PC thing to say is wear your seatbelt...and in most instances they do more good than harm...but as can be seen in this accident, no amount of seatbelt (or lack thereof for the male passenger) can save you from your own (or your friend's) stupidity...

[ardeep]

this is a hard topic to discuss as nobody wants to die or cause anyone's death, but it's isn't seatbelts that save lives...

back in the day, before seat belts were mandatory, it is not uncommon to find drivers/passengers being flung far from the vehicle during an accident AND survives...many race car drivers, especially, didn't wear seat belts to prevent themselves from getting trapped in their rolling gas can if anything happened...they did indeed prefer to be flung far from the danger and wreckage, and take their chanced with trees and cliffs instead...

Nowadays, with lawyers and law suits, the PC thing to say is wear your seatbelt...and in most instances they do more good than harm...but as can be seen in this accident, no amount of seatbelt (or lack thereof for the male passenger) can save you from your own (or your friend's) stupidity...

I truly have to agree with the not wearing the seatbelt and having people get saved .... My friend being a proper example he got throw off from the back seat of a car that went flying into the air because of the paassengers stupidity where the passenger pulled the steering towards herself from the driver at 140 kms/HR..

[iconicrocket]

That's sad, my condolences to the family.

[Fuman]

not going to be a good summer for the rest of us car enthusiasts

[optiklenz13]

heard about this.. sucks when stupid drivers do this..

on a side note, so i was cruising at Warden today and this 08 or 09 WRX pulls beside me and starts revving and shit.. and so i ignored him and he went on his way ripping it to like prolly a 100 on a 50 zone. i was wishing for a cop to be there on the bottom waiting for him.. stupid drivers..

[x_o_k_x]

300zx such a nice car, doesnt deserve being treated like this AND it doesnt have to prove anything.. its fast already!

[Aitch]

this is a hard topic to discuss as nobody wants to die or cause anyone's death, but it's isn't seatbelts that save lives...

back in the day, before seat belts were mandatory, it is not uncommon to find drivers/passengers being flung far from the vehicle during an accident AND survives...many race car drivers, especially, didn't wear seat belts to prevent themselves from getting trapped in their rolling gas can if anything happened...they did indeed prefer to be flung far from the danger and wreckage, and take their chanced with trees and cliffs instead...

Nowadays, with lawyers and law suits, the PC thing to say is wear your seatbelt...and in most instances they do more good than harm...but as can be seen in this accident, no amount of seatbelt (or lack thereof for the male passenger) can save you from your own (or your friend's) stupidity...

Out on the road, I'd rather have some bruises/tissue damage from a seatbelt keeping me in the spot the car's engineers designed to protect me from other cars and objects during a crash, than to be flung out onto the road and have to rely on only my body to slow my momentum, and fend off other cars.

Obviously people can survive being thrown from a car, but do you really think it is only lawsuits which drive designers and safety engineers to create well designed safe environment in which a human can survive most typical crashes with minimal injuries? I would venture that "in most instances" seatbelts do not do more good than harm.

[MistaChin]

Sad but goddamn stupid. +1 on the darwin comment. If you do stupid things, you better be prepared for the consequences

[Malcolm991]

Bad things happen when you do stupid things!

[omalak]

stupidity deserves no sympathy i'm sorry

[jonjon72]

heard about this.. sucks when stupid drivers do this..

on a side note, so i was cruising at Warden today and this 08 or 09 WRX pulls beside me and starts revving and shit.. and so i ignored him and he went on his way ripping it to like prolly a 100 on a 50 zone. i was wishing for a cop to be there on the bottom waiting for him.. stupid drivers..

+1

I was going south on Bayview after picking up some groceries and dinner this afternoon. At the lights just south of 16th a white 2009 Civic SiR pulls up with the carbon fibre hood and stickers on the side. And lo and behold, I hear him start to rev his engine. Note that I'm in a dress shirt, with cuffs and a tie so I definitely don't have street racer stamped on my forhead. Lights turn green and off he goes. sigh. Some drivers are truly idiots.

[optiklenz13]

^true true.. i was on my dress shirt as well, lol.. tie and shit.. with a car seat on the back of my car.. LMAO.. this guy wanted to impress his girlfriend on the passenger seat.. LOL.. "watch me smoke that mazda"

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Sad story, makes this weekends tuners against street racing event more relevant...

+1 on the wtf with 3 ppl in a 2 seater

[AskClaudio.com]

Sad story.

[lightingwhite32008.5]

u suffer wut happens man...!! still stupid don't race always think is it work it !!! sad and sorry man ...

[BlK98Cx]

i guess more cops will be pulling over them rice ass cars after this incident...oh well!!! i drive a station wagon so i guess im okay?

[BoostieMonster]

Sad....and i owned a 300ZX, so double sad......

[Fobio]

I would venture that "in most instances" seatbelts do not do more good than harm.

^^^ pls clarify that...

and to clarify my point...it was not to advocate for not wearing seatbelts...it's just an observation that the girl wasn't wearing one and survived...and in certain instances, you'd rather not get stuck in a burning wreck...

but I digress, as it is a touchy subject, so I have no point to press...and I do want to point out that in THIS instance, seatbelt or not wouldn't have saved you from driver stupidity...

again, I do believe that in most instances, it's better to be buckled up than not...and since we don't know when what will happen, might as well err on the sside of caution and strap in...when I'm on the track, I strap myself in as tight as i can.

[BoostieMonster]

i guess more cops will be pulling over them rice ass cars after this incident...oh well!!! i drive a station wagon so i guess im okay?

PS....nothing rice about that 300ZX....and cops should be pulling over speeders and careless drivers, not cars with kits and spoilers on them......

[jonjon72]

PS....nothing rice about that 300ZX....and cops should be pulling over speeders and careless drivers, not cars with kits and spoilers on them......

Unfortunately its drivers like the kid that got killed that ruins it for anyone that has the slightest modification.

[jonjon72]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/662536

[Fobio]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/662536

yeah...just finished reading it...seem like good kids....sad.

don't know about that tagline above the headline..."Racing to the death ".

[Thrizzl3]

wowzers!...

took a glimpse of Adam's profile on facebook..he looked well off until the accident

[jonjon72]

wowzers!...

took a glimpse of Adam's profile on facebook..he looked well off until the accident

Yes, I looked at his profile as well. Seemed like a nice enough kid but I think the mistake his family took was that they allowed someone so young to have access to such a vehicle. Not enough experience to handle a car with this much power.

What bothers me the most is that he acted so reclessly and had to top it off with not just one passenger but two (sitting on their lap with no seat belt no less).

I'm just glad that no other innocent people on the road were killed or injured because of this kids stupidity.

[swales]

Sad news but the ON premier and some politicians will have a semi smirk on their face as they finally have another "street racing" incident to promote their street racing law with

[jonjon72]

Sad news but the ON premier and some politicians will have a semi smirk on their face as they finally have another "street racing" incident to promote their street racing law with

+1

This will keep adding fuel to the fire and the street racing legislation will get another boost. McGuinty and Fantino are definitely high fiving each other behind closed doors.

[Aitch]

^^^ pls clarify that...

Sorry, I think I misread your previous post. I thought you wrote that seatbelts "in most cases do more harm than good" and not the other way round (which is what you actually said and then what I re-iterated). It must be my slydexia acting up again :)


and to clarify my point...it was not to advocate for not wearing seatbelts......and in certain instances, you'd rather not get stuck in a burning wreck...

I agree with you here too, that there are certain circumstances where not wearing a seatbelt can be better, but that they are few and far between and its better to buckle up as statistically it is much safer.

[alhope34]

Just yesterday I was going south on Warden just south of Lawrence and this idiot in an early 2000's black accord with black rims/red lip was ripping up the road behind me for some unknown reason and tried to get by me and another car beside me and ended up forcing both of us to the sides as he passed well over double the limit between us on the white line. He then kept swerving through traffic just after the next light cause he was caught in traffic and I was catching up to him. He kept cutting everyone off and passing in the centre turn lane to get away from me. The kid barely looked 17.

Going fast when absolutely no one is on a highway outside of any town lines is one thing, but in the middle of the day on a city surface road pulling that kind of crap? If people keep doing this kind of stupid speeding the laws will just keep getting worse, police will be able to steal your car for longer, etc.

I don't know, just idiotic speeding in traffic just makes me angry, and that girl is lucky to be alive and I hope she learned her lesson about not wearing her seat belt, etc.

[iconicrocket]

Just wondering if the government should open a temporary track at Downsview to get racers off the street? They can open a drag strip each weekend to let people race and generate revenue.

[alhope34]

There are already at least 3 or 4 tracks within 2 hours of the GTA that have regular lapping days and drag days.

[Fobio]

Just wondering if the government should open a temporary track at Downsview to get racers off the street? They can open a drag strip each weekend to let people race and generate revenue.

This was always my idea...but unlike Europeans, CDN's are somewhat close-minded towards solutions that challenges the status quo...

[Cardinal Fang]

There are already at least 3 or 4 tracks within 2 hours of the GTA that have regular lapping days and drag days.

While this is true there is another side to this. Yes we can bitch and scream about "taking it to the track" and even the police will tow the line and say the same thing. The hold out in all this is the insurance companies.

Under no circumstances will your insurance company cover any damages or injury that would occur if you took your car to the track. They prefer that you purchase separate insurance for those types of special events and even then, they may not offer it. Insurance companies view tracking your car as an unnecessary risk to yourself and the vehicle for which they are not prepared to underwrite. Track days are unregulated events according to the insurance companies. There is no regulation as to what kind of experience the driver must have to participate and how the vehicles need to be set up. Because of this the mainstream insurance companies do not want to be involved. There are companies that specialize in insurance for race vehicles and even they require that you be "licensed to race." How many people on the track are licensed to race? Not many I would summize.

People that race on weekends at the track do it behind the insurance companies back and risk being dropped if their insurance companies find out. Please make sure you understand this.

While I'm a big proponent of tacking cars to the track I'm angry that Insurance Companies are so hesitant to accept it.

[alhope34]

Ummm... I thought it was illegal for insurance companies to drop you for what happens on private property?

[Fobio]

While this is true there is another side to this. Yes we can bitch and scream about "taking it to the track" and even the police will tow the line and say the same thing. The hold out in all this is the insurance companies.

Under no circumstances will your insurance company cover any damages or injury that would occur if you took your car to the track. They prefer that you purchase separate insurance for those types of special events and even then, they may not offer it. Insurance companies view tracking your car as an unnecessary risk to yourself and the vehicle for which they are not prepared to underwrite. Track days are unregulated events according to the insurance companies. There is no regulation as to what kind of experience the driver must have to participate and how the vehicles need to be set up. Because of this the mainstream insurance companies do not want to be involved. There are companies that specialize in insurance for race vehicles and even they require that you be "licensed to race." How many people on the track are licensed to race? Not many I would summize.

People that race on weekends at the track do it behind the insurance companies back and risk being dropped if their insurance companies find out. Please make sure you understand this.

While I'm a big proponent of tacking cars to the track I'm angry that Insurance Companies are so hesitant to accept it.

^^^ a little clarification is needed here...

1. Lapping days, where you just pay to bomb around on a track, are *SOMETIMES* insured by the organizers...mostly not. If you flip you car on a lapping day, you're on your own.

2. HPDE (High Performance Drivers' Education)/track school are not considered as lapping or timed/competition events and I have heard that insurance companies are OK with this, and some even offer discounts after you complete certain courses.

3. Timed events or competition are like lapping days...and you're on your own. Either the organizer has insurance for the event or not, but likely not to cover any of your personal injuries or damage.

Not all lapping/tracking/schools are the same, and it is usually reflected in their price of admission.

[Cardinal Fang]

From the Ontario Automobile Policy:

http://www.fsco.gov.on.ca/english/PUBS/BULLETINS/AUTOBULLETINS/archives/a-07_00-3.pdf

Section 1.4.6 You agree not to use or allow anyone to use the automobile in a race or speed test or for any illegal trade or transportation.

It doesn't matter where you choose to drive your car. On private property on public roads. If you race you run the risk. Track days may be covered by the Track'ss insurance but if you get hurt and your Insurance company finds out they can drop you.




2. HPDE (High Performance Drivers' Education)/track school are not considered as lapping or timed/competition events and I have heard that insurance companies are OK with this, and some even offer discounts after you complete certain courses.



Not all. And the ones that do require you NOT TO USE your vehicle. My brother ran into this problem when he bought his BMW. As a gift the dealership sent him up to Barrie to a "high performance" driving school. He inquired with his Insurance Company at the time (Zurich) and they said sure go right ahead. Anything happens to you however you're on your own. They told him that the facility he is going to can accommodate racing and therefore he would be considered participating in a race. He then called other insurance companies to find out more and was given the same answer. If they covered him they wanted restrictions.

Insurance companies are covering themselves at every turn that they are willing to negate something that could improve your driving skills.




Not all lapping/tracking/schools are the same, and it is usually reflected in their price of admission.

Bottom line. Call your insurance company and ask them if they will cover you while you're at the track this weekend. If you ask and they say NO you will have your answer. If you're afraid to ask them the question, I'm pretty sure you still have your answer.

[jonjon72]

Basically your damned if you do or damned if you don't even if you try to do the right thing.

At least on the track you know that you are taking the responsibility on your own shoulders and in a closed environment which should have emergency services on hand in case of any accidents.

On the streets, you put other people at risk (passengers, bystanders, fellow motorists).

[condor888000]

Yup, it's the basic problem. Everyone says take it to the track, yet many will also say don't race what you can't afford to walk away from. There's not much you can do about it, the insurance companies are private corporations who can set their coverage to whatever they want, as long as its in the initial contract. Once you sign you have to abide by the terms.

Won't stop me from autocrossing or lapping, but it's got me saving up just in case...

[ZeroChalk]

^^^ pls clarify that...

and to clarify my point...it was not to advocate for not wearing seatbelts...it's just an observation that the girl wasn't wearing one and survived...and in certain instances, you'd rather not get stuck in a burning wreck...


but the other guy who was not wearing a seatbelt died. :pop
sheer luck that she survived - like anyone being ejected out of a vehicle.

[Nextmod]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=105942530657

[Nextmod]

seems like a great guy

[///M]

Sad news but the ON premier and some politicians will have a semi smirk on their face as they finally have another "street racing" incident to promote their street racing law with

First thing that came to mind when I saw the aftermath of this incident driving on the DVP S/B this Monday.

[Fobio]

First thing that came to mind when I saw the aftermath of this incident driving on the DVP S/B this Monday.

I was driving home N/B last night and saw the spot of the wreck...it's terrible...

Red streaked along the barrier...you can almost picture yourself looking at the scene like the first officer on the scene...

Without placing blame, as I'm sure it's something no one wanted, this is a tragic loss of life for sure...and cast a bad light on otherwise good ppl...

[ElegantGremlin]

Sad news but the ON premier and some politicians will have a semi smirk on their face as they finally have another "street racing" incident to promote their street racing law with

Doesn't matter if the law gets passed, they still have to catch the people racing and apprehend them. More than likely most of the races they're going to catch up with are the ones that have ended like this and it's too late.

[swales]

Doesn't matter if the law gets passed, they still have to catch the people racing and apprehend them. More than likely most of the races they're going to catch up with are the ones that have ended like this and it's too late.

Where have you been? The law was past over 1 year ago and they tag speeders with "street racing" on a daily basis not people racing...just speeding

[ElegantGremlin]

Where have you been? The law was past over 1 year ago and they tag speeders with "street racing" on a daily basis not people racing...just speeding

I've been in Sudbury under a rock.

And apparently the law isn't enough of a deterrent.

[swales]

I've been in Sudbury under a rock.



Don't you mean a nickel? :)

[Fobio]

The more the laws try to deter something, the more ppl want to do it...if you didn't want someone to do something, and all you have to do is ban it, then parenting would prolly be a lot easier...

The German Autobahn was built for high speed, and so are many stretches of the 400-series hwy...you don't see kids dying left right and centre in Germany due to street racing. And in fact, due to the higher value Germans place on driving and driving skills, their country can operate the Autobahn the way they do.

If CDN's don't even realize that left-lane bandit is one of the worst things a person can do to traffic flow and to endanger the safety of others, how do you expect the average CDN to be motivated to be a better driver?

...which is, of course, why we need stupid laws...for stupid ppl...

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

The more the laws try to deter something, the more ppl want to do it...if you didn't want someone to do something, and all you have to do is ban it, then parenting would prolly be a lot easier...

The German Autobahn was built for high speed, and so are many stretches of the 400-series hwy...you don't see kids dying left right and centre in Germany due to street racing. And in fact, due to the higher value Germans place on driving and driving skills, their country can operate the Autobahn the way they do.

If CDN's don't even realize that left-lane bandit is one of the worst things a person can do to traffic flow and to endanger the safety of others, how do you expect the average CDN to be motivated to be a better driver?

...which is, of course, why we need stupid laws...for stupid ppl...

+1. Well said Fobio.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

The German Autobahn was built for high speed, and so are many stretches of the 400-series hwy...you don't see kids dying left right and centre in Germany due to street racing. And in fact, due to the higher value Germans place on driving and driving skills, their country can operate the Autobahn the way they do.

If CDN's don't even realize that left-lane bandit is one of the worst things a person can do to traffic flow and to endanger the safety of others, how do you expect the average CDN to be motivated to be a better driver?

...which is, of course, why we need stupid laws...for stupid ppl...

+1

North America has always been about band-aid solutions such as imposing "laws" that do more for revenue generation than actually treating the root of the issue.

Germany decided to get to the root cause of the issue - driver education.

[Slipstream]

The more the laws try to deter something, the more ppl want to do it...if you didn't want someone to do something, and all you have to do is ban it, then parenting would prolly be a lot easier...

The German Autobahn was built for high speed, and so are many stretches of the 400-series hwy...you don't see kids dying left right and centre in Germany due to street racing. And in fact, due to the higher value Germans place on driving and driving skills, their country can operate the Autobahn the way they do.

If CDN's don't even realize that left-lane bandit is one of the worst things a person can do to traffic flow and to endanger the safety of others, how do you expect the average CDN to be motivated to be a better driver?

...which is, of course, why we need stupid laws...for stupid ppl...

+1 u got my vote if you become a politician

[jonjon72]

It looks like alcohol was consumed by the driver in this accident as well. How much is still to be confirmed.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/663154

[omalak]

nice guy ot not

drinking or not

who gives a flying shit.. dont race on a street you dumb idiots

i still have no sympathy for these people..

IF the driver was drinking the other passengers should have not let him drive. Passengers should have known better

[ElegantGremlin]

nice guy ot not

drinking or not

who gives a flying shit.. dont race on a street you dumb idiots

i still have no sympathy for these people..

IF the driver was drinking the other passengers should have not let him drive. Passengers should have known better

I think the fact that they had 2 people in one seat shows they didn't.

[alhope34]

I wonder how many times they've done that before this happened.

[Thrizzl3]

good thing i dont drink...right allan:chuckle

[jonjon72]

Everyone that was involved in this accident is to blame. From street racing to drinking to allowing their friend to drive under the influence to being a third passenger in a two seat vehicle.

Sorry if I sound cold but they have no one to blame but themselves. The driver may seem to be a "nice guy" from whats on FB, but he was selfish and irresponsible by putting so many people in danger.

[alhope34]

good thing i dont drink...right allan:chuckle


What's that supposed to mean?

[Thrizzl3]

What's that supposed to mean?

ummm i don't know..

[mazdabetty]

...which is, of course, why we need stupid laws...for stupid ppl...

LOL... you mean the same people that the "do not consume" label was placed on household cleaning products for? :chuckle

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[Triniboi]

Honestly, thats crazy. I heard about it but, didnt really know the whole story till i read the link. People nd to learn how to drive. Racing is not meatn for the streets, hit the tracks if you wanna race. Sad to hear but luckily others were not involved by the crash.

[mazdabetty]

On the ipod Shuffle -- "Do not eat."

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LOL.... I wonder how many people tried to eat it for them to just throw that in there :whoa

[silvermist99]

not promoting street racing but almost everyone done stupid shiet in our lives. most of the time we don't get caught or wreck the car, thats the only difference.

[Aitch]

not promoting street racing but almost everyone done stupid shiet in our lives. most of the time we don't get caught or wreck the car, thats the only difference.

That's sort of what I was thinking. Was what they did irresponsible? Yes. Dangerous? Yes. Did they do it all the time? We don't know. Without further info, it could just be that they made one horrible, tragic mistake.

[JohnyGT]

+ 1.


nice guy ot not

drinking or not

who gives a flying shit.. dont race on a street you dumb idiots

i still have no sympathy for these people..

IF the driver was drinking the other passengers should have not let him drive. Passengers should have known better

[DruidB]

Its too bad that idiots race in busy cities and ruin street racing for the rest of us...

Ive been street racing for over a decade and it can be done without risking innocent lives... of course most of the people we race with are 50+ years old and know how, when, and where to do it.


A lone country road, with no side streets or driveways, a spotter at both ends with a 2 way radio and no passengers allowed... the only lives at risk are the drivers...

The police used to show up and just ask us to move to a different spot ten years ago... now they go crazy..


I have never seen a serious accident or anyone hurt doing this around here.. and these cars are much much faster than the cars usually envolved in these terrible accidents

Its the impromptu races on highways and at stop lights that cause the problems... not the actual organized street races...

[MistaChin]

Its too bad that idiots race in busy cities and ruin street racing for the rest of us...

Ive been street racing for over a decade and it can be done without risking innocent lives... of course most of the people we race with are 50+ years old and know how, when, and where to do it.


A lone country road, with no side streets or driveways, a spotter at both ends with a 2 way radio and no passengers allowed... the only lives at risk are the drivers...

The police used to show up and just ask us to move to a different spot ten years ago... now they go crazy..


I have never seen a serious accident or anyone hurt doing this around here.. and these cars are much much faster than the cars usually envolved in these terrible accidents

Its the impromptu races on highways and at stop lights that cause the problems... not the actual organized street races...


You're playing with fire with this post, especially on these forums. We don't condone street racing at all. There's a time and place for racing and it's definitely not the street.

[iconicrocket]

I hope you have a good flame suit.



Its too bad that idiots race in busy cities and ruin street racing for the rest of us...

Ive been street racing for over a decade and it can be done without risking innocent lives... of course most of the people we race with are 50+ years old and know how, when, and where to do it.


A lone country road, with no side streets or driveways, a spotter at both ends with a 2 way radio and no passengers allowed... the only lives at risk are the drivers...

The police used to show up and just ask us to move to a different spot ten years ago... now they go crazy..


I have never seen a serious accident or anyone hurt doing this around here.. and these cars are much much faster than the cars usually envolved in these terrible accidents

Its the impromptu races on highways and at stop lights that cause the problems... not the actual organized street races...

[Unoriginalusername]

Its too bad that idiots race in busy cities and ruin street racing for the rest of us...

Ive been street racing for over a decade and it can be done without risking innocent lives... of course most of the people we race with are 50+ years old and know how, when, and where to do it.


A lone country road, with no side streets or driveways, a spotter at both ends with a 2 way radio and no passengers allowed... the only lives at risk are the drivers...

The police used to show up and just ask us to move to a different spot ten years ago... now they go crazy..


I have never seen a serious accident or anyone hurt doing this around here.. and these cars are much much faster than the cars usually envolved in these terrible accidents

Its the impromptu races on highways and at stop lights that cause the problems... not the actual organized street races...

Before anyone rips into you, do you suffer from an mental disability or disease that we should be aware of since you obvisouly must have something wrong with you to say something as stupid as that

[Dave_The_BMXER]

To play devils advocate I can understand what he is saying. A 1/4 mile in a country road lined with fields with spotters you could street race all day and only risk two lives.

However if you are going through all that trouble...

[aris]

To play devils advocate I can understand what he is saying. A 1/4 mile in a country road lined with fields with spotters you could street race all day and only risk two lives.

However if you are going through all that trouble...

+1

[Thrizzl3]

Its too bad that idiots race in busy cities and ruin street racing for the rest of us...

Ive been street racing for over a decade and it can be done without risking innocent lives... of course most of the people we race with are 50+ years old and know how, when, and where to do it.


A lone country road, with no side streets or driveways, a spotter at both ends with a 2 way radio and no passengers allowed... the only lives at risk are the drivers...

The police used to show up and just ask us to move to a different spot ten years ago... now they go crazy..

I have never seen a serious accident or anyone hurt doing this around here.. and these cars are much much faster than the cars usually envolved in these terrible accidents

Its the impromptu races on highways and at stop lights that cause the problems... not the actual organized street races...

Are you ok? Why would you post such a thing..clearly you don't care that it is a dangerous thing to do. What if you lost a family member because some idiot was street racing? You should think before you post...

[cwp_sedan]

Its too bad that idiots race in busy cities and ruin street racing for the rest of us...

Ive been street racing for over a decade and it can be done without risking innocent lives... of course most of the people we race with are 50+ years old and know how, when, and where to do it.


A lone country road, with no side streets or driveways, a spotter at both ends with a 2 way radio and no passengers allowed... the only lives at risk are the drivers...

The police used to show up and just ask us to move to a different spot ten years ago... now they go crazy..


I have never seen a serious accident or anyone hurt doing this around here.. and these cars are much much faster than the cars usually envolved in these terrible accidents

Its the impromptu races on highways and at stop lights that cause the problems... not the actual organized street races...

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[jonjon72]

Its too bad that idiots race in busy cities and ruin street racing for the rest of us...

Ive been street racing for over a decade and it can be done without risking innocent lives... of course most of the people we race with are 50+ years old and know how, when, and where to do it.


A lone country road, with no side streets or driveways, a spotter at both ends with a 2 way radio and no passengers allowed... the only lives at risk are the drivers...

The police used to show up and just ask us to move to a different spot ten years ago... now they go crazy..


I have never seen a serious accident or anyone hurt doing this around here.. and these cars are much much faster than the cars usually envolved in these terrible accidents

Its the impromptu races on highways and at stop lights that cause the problems... not the actual organized street races...


There is no such thing as an "organized street race". If people want to see cars racing on the street, go to the Honda Indy taking place in Toronto right now.

[alhope34]

I'm sure all the people flaming have NEVER broken any rules or laws on the road in their entire lives. :chuckle


Everyone is so quick to judge someone else but never themselves. I bet a lot of the people I see on the road not using signals, speeding in heavy traffic, making illegal left and u-turns, cutting people off, etc. are a lot of the same people that cry about it when someone goes a little fast.


Edit: let me just say, I don't condone street racing either, I just find it humerus how people are so quick to judge others when no one is a perfect driver themselves.

[jonjon72]

I'm sure all the people flaming have NEVER broken any rules or laws on the road in their entire lives. :chuckle


Everyone is so quick to judge someone else but never themselves. I bet a lot of the people I see on the road not using signals, speeding in heavy traffic, making illegal left and u-turns, cutting people off, etc. are a lot of the same people that cry about it when someone goes a little fast.


Edit: let me just say, I don't condone street racing either, I just find it humerus how people are so quick to judge others when no one is a perfect driver themselves.


Trying to compare u turns, not using signals and illegal turns to street racing if a bit far fetched.

When we have someone who admits to street racing (on his first sentence no less), what do you expect? People to say, "good for you!"??? Street racing is illegal, heavily frowned upon by the public and probably has the stiffest penalties/fines.

To even admit to street racing online is not the smartest move as well. You never know who is looking on-line.

And no one that has replied has said that they have a clean slate.

[DruidB]

In reply to all the "are you retarded?" comments... If i was retarded i would race on busy city streets... not abandoned country roads that are blocked off at both ends...
I suspect some of you didnt bother to read my whole post.

The take it to the track comments are hilarious... Load up the trailer, gas up the truck drive 2 hrs, unload car, pay entrance fee, run a couple times, load the car back up and drive 2 hrs home... with gas and fees your looking at minimum 200$

or drive 10min away.. get it done... drive home..

If i lived in the big city Im sure it would be different

And once again.. No innocent people are at risk.. so i dont understand the "what if your family died etc" comments

Try and remember this isnt a "Fast and Furious" type event with ricers standing up both sides of the road... its usually only older guys with alot of racing experience..

The point im trying to make is that its unfair to group everyone into the same boat.. There is a Difference between what im talking about and an inexperienced kid racing moms accord through a school zone...

[jonjon72]

Anyone who would you with personal attacks that call you "retarded" would be out of line. There really is no place for personal attacks such as that on any forum.

I think what most people should be saying is that "street racing" of any type is frowned up. Don't you notice, almost all of the accidents that had someone die or become seriously injured in a street race involved young men. They can't seem to seperate what is safe and what isn't. Why would it be ok for one situation and not another. Its all a persons judgement call on what they consider "safe".

[alhope34]

Trying to compare u turns, not using signals and illegal turns to street racing if a bit far fetched.

When we have someone who admits to street racing (on his first sentence no less), what do you expect? People to say, "good for you!"??? Street racing is illegal, heavily frowned upon by the public and probably has the stiffest penalties/fines.

To even admit to street racing online is not the smartest move as well. You never know who is looking on-line.

And no one that has replied has said that they have a clean slate.


I do find it a bit far fetched to compare them too seeing as how I had one, MAYBE two close calls with people street racing in my 7 years of driving, but have had at least 50 or 60 close calls with people doing other illegal things said in my earlier post. Many, many more people do those "little" things that are illegal but still very dangerous.


Also, don't forget, I still find racing in traffic, weaving in and out, very stupid. But in a controlled manner like DruidB described, I don't think it's that bad. If there's no one innocent being involved then there shouldn't be anyone to complain. If they get in a crash it is their fault and they have to deal with the consequences.

[jonjon72]

I do find it a bit far fetched to compare them too seeing as how I had one, MAYBE two close calls with people street racing in my 7 years of driving, but have had at least 50 or 60 close calls with people doing other illegal things said in my earlier post. Many, many more people do those "little" things that are illegal but still very dangerous.


Also, don't forget, I still find racing in traffic, weaving in and out, very stupid. But in a controlled manner like DruidB described, I don't think it's that bad. If there's no one innocent being involved then there shouldn't be anyone to complain. If they get in a crash it is their fault and they have to deal with the consequences.

Well, I've been driving for 21 years and have seen more than my share of street racing. Whether its on Hwy 7, the 404, 401 etc. It can happen anywhere. There will always be drivers who make illegal moves that could be considered little, but those are usually at lower speeds compared to street racing. Your reaction time is greatly reduced if someone barrelling at you over 120km and while your driving within the speed limit.

You "maybe" had two close calls but what about the other drivers? Multiply those two close calls with the other people on the road at that same time.

Though two people may decide to have a private street race in a deserted area, something could happen (ie blown tire) and one/both of them get into an accident. Even though they made the choice to race, I don't think anyone wants to see/hear of someone dying over who has the faster car.

[silvermist99]

In reply to all the "are you retarded?" comments... If i was retarded i would race on busy city streets... not abandoned country roads that are blocked off at both ends...
I suspect some of you didnt bother to read my whole post.

The take it to the track comments are hilarious... Load up the trailer, gas up the truck drive 2 hrs, unload car, pay entrance fee, run a couple times, load the car back up and drive 2 hrs home... with gas and fees your looking at minimum 200$

or drive 10min away.. get it done... drive home..

If i lived in the big city Im sure it would be different

And once again.. No innocent people are at risk.. so i dont understand the "what if your family died etc" comments

Try and remember this isnt a "Fast and Furious" type event with ricers standing up both sides of the road... its usually only older guys with alot of racing experience..

The point im trying to make is that its unfair to group everyone into the same boat.. There is a Difference between what im talking about and an inexperienced kid racing moms accord through a school zone...
you don't need to tow your car to the track unless I'm missing something.. For true bragging rights of cars, you need to hit the track to run an accurate time. If you're talking about cars that throw slicks on ... what if there is dirt/rock, patches of oil, water on the road. good luck on that.

I can take out z06 with a faster reaction time that is probably not even noticable to the human eye.. the few tenth of a second r/t & 60' makes all the difference.... regular stock automatic mazda3 can take me out if i screw up the reaction time or launch etc.

If these guys are hardcore about their cars, they should be measuring their cars, not their half reaction time half car street race. But I guess you guys just do it for fun...... From the sound of it you guys make this big and involve a lot of people and brains to organize... might be easier hitting up the track and pay the $20.

[alhope34]

Well, I've been driving for 21 years and have seen more than my share of street racing. Whether its on Hwy 7, the 404, 401 etc. It can happen anywhere. There will always be drivers who make illegal moves that could be considered little, but those are usually at lower speeds compared to street racing. Your reaction time is greatly reduced if someone barrelling at you over 120km and while your driving within the speed limit.

You "maybe" had two close calls but what about the other drivers? Multiply those two close calls with the other people on the road at that same time.

Though two people may decide to have a private street race in a deserted area, something could happen (ie blown tire) and one/both of them get into an accident. Even though they made the choice to race, I don't think anyone wants to see/hear of someone dying over who has the faster car.


I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because when I drive I am still much more worried and angered by the people who do all the illegal smaller maneuvers.

When I was driving my fiance home from Montreal in the little Kia Mazda rented for me, I was on the 138 east of Quebec city, when I go around a blind corner and all of a sudden some guy in an Escape is in my lane in front of me, illegally passing someone over a double yellow line around the corner. He swerved back into his lane then I heard a bunch of crashing. It freaked the hell out of me and almost made me swerve into the rock wall on the right of me.

I found out later on the news that night that he flew off the road (luckily was a one vehicle crash) and his SUV flipped a couple times and burst on fire. The person he was passing illegally and then cut off stopped and got him and his wife out of the SUV before they were burned alive.

I find this much, much worse than if someone passed me head on *in their own lane* at 240km/h or whatever speed they happen to be traveling at. I'm not easy to scare when driving and that was the only time I've ever actually feared for my or someone else's (my girlfriend's) life.

I guess I've said all I have to say. I'll let you have the last word, but let me say this again so people don't get confused, RACING IN TRAFFIC IS DUMBBBB, I just don't see why people are so quick to judge someone. :P

[jonjon72]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because when I drive I am still much more worried and angered by the people who do all the illegal smaller maneuvers.

When I was driving my fiance home from Montreal in the little Kia Mazda rented for me, I was on the 138 east of Quebec city, when I go around a blind corner and all of a sudden some guy in an Escape is in my lane in front of me, illegally passing someone over a double yellow line around the corner. He swerved back into his lane then I heard a bunch of crashing. It freaked the hell out of me and almost made me swerve into the rock wall on the right of me.

I found out later on the news that night that he flew off the road (luckily was a one vehicle crash) and his SUV flipped a couple times and burst on fire. The person he was passing illegally and then cut off stopped and got him and his wife out of the SUV before they were burned alive.

I find this much, much worse than if someone passed me head on *in their own lane* at 240km/h or whatever speed they happen to be traveling at. I'm not easy to scare when driving and that was the only time I've ever actually feared for my or someone else's (my girlfriend's) life.

I guess I've said all I have to say. I'll let you have the last word, but let me say this again so people don't get confused, RACING IN TRAFFIC IS DUMBBBB. :P

Agreed....racing is dumb, racing in traffilc will get someone killed. -Unfortunately, there are many ways that people can get killed with just one stupid driver. :bang

[DruidB]

you don't need to tow your car to the track unless I'm missing something.. For true bragging rights of cars, you need to hit the track to run an accurate time. If you're talking about cars that throw slicks on ... what if there is dirt/rock, patches of oil, water on the road. good luck on that.

I can take out z06 with a faster reaction time that is probably not even noticable to the human eye.. the few tenth of a second r/t & 60' makes all the difference.... regular stock automatic mazda3 can take me out if i screw up the reaction time or launch etc.

If these guys are hardcore about their cars, they should be measuring their cars, not their half reaction time half car street race. But I guess you guys just do it for fun...... From the sound of it you guys make this big and involve a lot of people and brains to organize... might be easier hitting up the track and pay the $20.



I could drive to the track, but that would be insane when its cheaper to tow it on the trailer... sunoco 110/Av gas cost a fortune not to mention tire wear.


"For true bragging rights of cars?" 1/4mile et's are great for tuning and class racing etc... but street racing is about getting to the finish line before the other guy.. Its about reaction time and being the faster driver.. not just having the faster car...It involves driver skill and making a fast car that actually works on the street and not just at the drag strip.. Ive seen 12sec cars put the hurt on 9 second cars depending on the circumstances..

And yes these guys are "Hard core about their cars" and about racing... keyword racing..

Alot of them run slicks and there is usually no problems.. the road gets a few solo passes before anyone races and most of us have a bottle of VHT if needed

And its not hard to "set up".. everyone allready knows the drill..

As far as the blow tire etc argument.. that happens at the strip also... can happen anywhere..
Remember.. the only lives at risk are the drivers.. and its risky at the track too..


Anyway... this is getting off topic.. Im just trying to let people know there are some street racers out there that are not as reckless as most people assume.. though i have a feeling that many are highway racing idiots

[aris]

I'm going to add to this thread what happened to me when i was 20 years old.

I was in my truck waiting at the red light for it to turn green and while i was waiting a monte corlo pulled up beside me..and before you know it the light goes green and we both hammer the gas and race..not knowing the cop was right behind us...well he pulled us both over..and at first the cop was pissed. He let me off with only to minor tickets (15 over and head light covers) and he told me don't make me regreat not giving you the racing ticket.

then we talked for a bit and it turns out he had a camaro and he was telling me to go to the track etc...in the end we became friends and i never street raced again ...because he gave me a huge break by not nailing me like he could of and i wanted to prove to the cop that he did the right thing by letting me go:)

[-cj-]

I think what DruidB was trying to say is that at one point it wasn't frowned upon as badly as it is now. I bet you if you look at statistics, street racing is no where as bad as drunk driving or anything more serious. I'm not saying we should all street race, but what I am saying is don't get all high and mighty and jump on the street racing band wagon. Why aren't you guys also flipping out at people on cell phones?

This actually got me thinking and I decided to pull up statistics off Google:

.....


"The statistics, to say the least, were eye opening. Far from being a scourge of the highways, street racing accounts for very few traffic deaths. From 1998-2005, there were 304,236 fatalities on U.S. roads. Of these, a mere 353 (0.12 per cent) were from street racing. For comparitive purposes, I also looked at other common causes. Talking on a cellphone, another dangerous driving habit much hyped by police and the media was only slightly less dangerous at 327 deaths (0.11 per cent).

"Bear in mind, millions of Canadians talk on cell phones daily; an act statistically as dangerous as street racing.

"Driving slower than the posted speed limit (429 deaths, 0.14 per cent) accounted for more deaths. Surprisingly, being distracted by something inside the vehicle, such as talking to a passenger, adjusting a mirror, fiddling with a radio or eating caused an eye-opening 38,914 deaths (12.79 per cent).

[condor888000]

True, but that doesn't mean it's a safe or smart thing to do.

[jonjon72]

More idiots on the streets of Toronto.


http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090717/racing/20090717/?hub=TorontoNewHome


Two young men are facing street racing charges after driving at a speed four times the speed limit, in a north Toronto neighbourhood.


Const. Sue Fisher of 23 Division measured the men to be traveling at an alleged 200 kilometres per hour in a 50 km/h zone on Thursday at 11:34 p.m.


They were driving south on Martin Grove Road near Steeles Avenue West.

Sergeant Tim Burrows, traffic safety spokesperson for the Toronto police, told ctvtoronto.ca on Friday the men were not aware of Fisher because she was in an unmarked car.


Burrows said both drivers passed the officer going in the opposite direction as she was parked. She activated her speed radar and made a U-turn to go after them.


"Through a combination of traffic and lighting sequence up ahead she was able to stop both of them," he said.


The two men, 20 and 21, were both driving their older brother's cars and are not believed to have known each other prior to the incident.


It is unknown what happened between them before the officer stopped them.


Both men claimed they were not racing and neither have a criminal history, said Burrows.


One was driving a Honda Civic Si sports car and the other a brand-new Mini Cooper.


If convincted, the fine for street racing can range between $2,000 and $10,000. Additionally, their licenses have been suspended for seven days and their brother's cars impounded for seven days.


In a similar incident a couple weeks ago, two young men died on the Don Valley Parkway after one of them lost control of the car they were racing.

[cwp_sedan]

I saw this earlier tonight. WTF are people thinking? 200 in a 50!!!!!???? Their licences should be taken away for life!

[Thrizzl3]

WTH this was right by my house!!!!!!

[Fuman]

IF i was their older brother, I'd be delivering a heavy traditional Chinese parenting feather duster treatment...
Hope these two learn, and don't do this again.

[aris]

Wow...hope fully they learn from this!