Official 'smoking turbo' response from Mazda

[Fobio]

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=263092


Hey everyone, here's the email I received from my local service manager after I stopped in to question him about the 5w-40 rumors.

SMOKE FROM TAIL PIPES AFTER PROLONGED IDLE PERIODS

Applicable Models

Model Starting S/N Ending S/N Model Spec CX7 2007-2008 000001 209008 P/D BEFORE 2/15/2008 MAZDA6 2006-2007 000001 999999 ALL MAZDASPEED6 MAZDA3 2007-2008 000001 880368 P/D BEFORE 2/6/2008 Related Category/Subcategory/Symptoms

ENGINE / MECHANICAL / WHITE SMOKE,BLUE SMOKE
ENGINE / EMISSIONS SYSTEM / EXCESSIVE OIL CONSUMPTION
ENGINE / EMISSIONS SYSTEM / WHITE SMOKE,BLUE SMOKE
ENGINE / EMISSIONS SYSTEM / BLACK SMOKE
ENGINE / MECHANICAL / EXCESSIVE OIL CONSUMPTION

MTOL - 5505 Dealer Repair Information

Symptom and Conditions


Applicable Model(s) VINS

CX-7 JM3ER ****8* 209008 Produced before 2/15/08
MAZDASPEED6 ALL ALL
MAZDASPEED3 JM1BK ****8* 880368 Produced before 2/6/08

Some customers may experience white/blue smoke from their exhaust pipes
after prolonged idle periods and/or while driving in traffic at very
slow speeds.

This condition may be the result of the turbo's oil supply not being
able to adequately drain out of the turbo during long idle periods.

Vehicles having this concern should be diagnosed using the following diagnostics procedure.
Repair Procedure


1. Confirm that the proper maintenance intervals have been performed.

2. With the engine at normal operating temperature, allow it to idle
for an extended idle period.

Caution:
Closely monitor the engine coolant to the assure the engine does not Overheat.

3. If smoke from the exhaust is present after the extended idle period,
take before pictures of the smoke, then change the oil and filter
using 5W/40 (synthetic). After the oil change, in order to burn off
the oil that remains in the exhaust system, perform the following:
start the engine, check for oil leaks, then let it idle for 10
minutes, after the 10 minute idle period, increase the RPMs to 3000
for 1 minute, repeat idle test to confirm that no smoke returns.

A: If the smoke returns, contact the Technical Assistance Hotline
(Select option #2 for Major Assembly Authorization) with the oil
change history information, to attain an authorization for a turbo
replacement.

B: If smoke DOES NOT RETURN after the repeat idle test, NO other repairs
are to be performed at this time. Explain to the customer that MAZDA
is currently working on an improved positive crankcase valve (PCV)
system to reduce the engine crankcase pressures to allow the turbo's
oil supply to drain from the turbocharger more efficiently This fix
will be available approximately within 90 days and at that time the
oil will be changed back to 5W-30 and the improved PCV system will be
installed


Sounds like something is on its way for this problem. I searched but couldn't find any info that was similar to this.

[Fobio]

Sticky?

Now...if the dealers starts/have to offer this @ $40 a pop like their regular oil changes... :pop

[Cardinal Fang]

Your wish is my command.

[Fobio]

Thanks Cardi!

More anecdotal evidence from a Canadian!

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/mazdaspeed-3-engine-transmission-driveline/31523-mazda-na-changed-oil-type-us-2.html#post259787


I called Weber Mazda in south Edmonton today and they confirmed that they did receive notice that they were to use 5W-40 in the MZR motors from now on.

[silvermist99]

awesome!

There will be a PCV recall soon? or is it one of those things that they won't fix till it breaks/smokes?

B: If smoke DOES NOT RETURN after the repeat idle test, NO other repairs
are to be performed at this time. Explain to the customer that MAZDA
is currently working on an improved positive crankcase valve (PCV)
system to reduce the engine crankcase pressures to allow the turbo's
oil supply to drain from the turbocharger more efficiently This fix
will be available approximately within 90 days and at that time the
oil will be changed back to 5W-30 and the improved PCV system will be
installed

edit: after the new pcv valve, mazda recommends going back to 5w30. Wonder if they recommend that because of fuel economy decrease and additional cost or because the oil is too thick for the engine...

[condor888000]

5W20 in a MS3? WTF

[Fobio]

5W20 in a MS3? WTF

Some 2007 MS3's manual contain info that states something along the lines of "5w20 for regular MZ3 engines, 5w30 for turbocharged engines", but the way it reads is confusing. From the discussion in the US, a lot of dealers has it on their SERVICE COMPUTER that all MZ3/MS3's take 5w20...as such, many Jiffy Lubes (taking their cue from the dealers) also has 5w20 listed for the MZR engine in their computers...

So much for Mazda's recommendation...we look out for our own.

[07Speed3]

5W20 in a MS3? WTF

My owners manual actually says it need 5w20. Although I never have.

[Fobio]

My owners manual actually says it need 5w20. Although I never have.

Thank you Mazda! :bang

[condor888000]

Holy shit...that ain't good.

[WhiteSpeed3]

thats the TBS my guy at mazda showed me

[maplephin]

hmmm....interesting....I wonder if they would consider a video as a smoking gun, umm, I mean smoking turbo....I figure it would save some time at the dealer

[Garu]

Not sure if a recall on PCV will actually solve the problem? If the turbo is leaking oil how would replacing PCV will fix the leaky turbo?

[Fobio]

Not sure if a recall on PCV will actually solve the problem? If the turbo is leaking oil how would replacing PCV will fix the leaky turbo?

Some explanations from MSF for the switch to 5w40 vs. faulty PCV:


don't believe it helps it drain better, just slows the rate at which the oil enters the turbo allowing what oil is in there to drain adequately.


The reason the oil does not drain well enough is because the crankcase pressure is too high for the drain requirements from the turbo. This is an indication that the PCV system does not relieve crankcase pressure adequately for this particular turbo to work with the existing drain hardware. So this is their approach. Another approach is to increase exhaust back pressure (this is why removing the cats makes things worse), and another approach is to reduce the volume of oil entering the turbo (Bnoons bolt). There's more than 1 way to skin a cat.


It doesn't [drain better], this is being done to treat the symptom, not the actual problem. Thicker oil is known to reduce burn off. The new PCV system they are working on is being done to address the actual problem.

[Garu]

Sounds like another patch-up solution for me.

[-cj-]

Wow... crazy. Wasn't there an unrelated thread on MSF about blown engines and shitty PCV valves? Didn't someone say that Mazdaspeed uses a different PCV system with their race teams? I wonder if the two are related in any way... or better yet, I wonder if this new PCV system that we'll see in 90 days will be the system they use with their race teams?

[Fobio]

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Fobio, TheMAN

I see a Mazda mech/tech reading this... =)

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

My biggest question concerns the date ranges for the applicable models affected.

Applicable Model(s) VINS
CX-7 JM3ER ****8* 209008 Produced before 2/15/08
MAZDASPEED6 ALL ALL
MAZDASPEED3 JM1BK ****8* 880368 Produced before 2/6/08

So naturally, I'm asking myself, what did Mazda change in all Speeds produced after 02.06.08 that make them ineligible for this TSB? Obviously, Mazda implemented/changed something in production after this date to correct the problem in the factory...

[Fobio]

^^^ redesigned turbo/oiling. I think some guys who gotten replacements got the newer design.

[TheMAN]

cars built after that date had the L3Y1-13-70ZB turbos installed up until 6/30/08... the turbos might say "L3K9-13-700H" on it... the 2nd of the "improved" turbos (but I still saw cars come back in with yet the same smoking issue)... IMO, the ones that should have the least worries are the very new ones... for cars built from 7/1/08 onwards, it came with the L3Y1-13-70ZC turbo (it says L3K9-13-700J on the turbo itself)... from my observations, it looks like the internal oil restrictor (where the oil line goes in) was changed to a smaller one

I didn't hear or see any PCV valve system changes on any year of these motors though... so no production or replacement parts changes yet

if you got a turbo replaced already, you might want to check your invoice to see what you got!

[ovillems3]

someone's got to make some bnoon bolts!

[stormin84]

someone's got to make some bnoon bolts!


i've got one from him...as of right now its in the mail...

[ovillems3]

He told me that he wouldnt ship to Canada? wtf.


He told me he could send it to someone I know in the states and get them to send it to me? Mabye he changed his mind now?

[stormin84]

He told me that he wouldnt ship to Canada? wtf.


He told me he could send it to someone I know in the states and get them to send it to me? Mabye he changed his mind now?


haha he told me the same thing.....but i'm getting the bolt now...

[Fobio]

when you get it stormin, you mind letting us see some pics? for those guys who've worked so hard to stop their turbo's from smoking, it's tight that all the work is actually going to prevent me from getting a new/replacement turbo from Mazda, and might make this bnoon banjo bolt a necessity. dude on MSF said it's a bitch to make and eats drill bits?

[stormin84]

when you get it stormin, you mind letting us see some pics? for those guys who've worked so hard to stop their turbo's from smoking, it's tight that all the work is actually going to prevent me from getting a new/replacement turbo from Mazda, and might make this bnoon banjo bolt a necessity. dude on MSF said it's a bitch to make and eats drill bits?

yea no problem, i can take some pics

[Fobio]

seems like bnoon from MSF is now setup to ship to Canada. he also has a thread going that shows EXACTLY how to make the bolt. depending on shipping, it might be a good idea for us to do a group build or a group buy from bnoon.

[stormin84]

seems like bnoon from MSF is now setup to ship to Canada. he also has a thread going that shows EXACTLY how to make the bolt. depending on shipping, it might be a good idea for us to do a group build or a group buy from bnoon.



if you want i can provide the bolt so that you can take measurements for the group build. (when i get it)

[stormin84]

so i've received the bolt, i'll take some pictures of it tomorrow for you guys.

[Fobio]

so i've received the bolt, i'll take some pictures of it tomorrow for you guys.

thanks man! :)

[stormin84]

well here they are.... the bolt i believe from his write up is an

M12 x 1.5

the size of the hole on the side is 1/16"(he says #52) and the one down the center is 11/16" (he says its 15/16" in his write up)

i still have to clean up the thread a little where he drilled thru the side.(and yes when you put a light down one of the holes you can see the light coming out of the other hole.)

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll333/stormin84/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_0920.jpg

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll333/stormin84/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_0917.jpg

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll333/stormin84/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_0918.jpg

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll333/stormin84/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_0919.jpg

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll333/stormin84/Mazdaspeed%203/IMG_0915.jpg

[TheMAN]

wow... with all the trouble getting these from the states, why not just make one here yourself with a drill press? might be able to do a nicer job than that with the right tools :)

I thought that piece was something totally special

[Fobio]

wow... with all the trouble getting these from the states, why not just make one here yourself with a drill press? might be able to do a nicer job than that with the right tools :)

I thought that piece was something totally special

that's what we're thinking too that we could do it ourselves, but doing this requires a drill press and drills bits as I think the guy said he can only do like 2 - 3 bolts per bit...if I have access to a drill press, I could do this myself in about 10 min.

Group build anyone?

[stormin84]

i would agree with making it myself, thought it was something more special, it was only $20 though.

[Flagrum_3]

The guy did a complete 'hackjob' on that bolt :loco. You guys might be better off ordering a hollow bolt.Such as on www.racebolts.com the Ti M12x1.5 hollow drain plug for example...then all you'd need is a carbide drill bit for the side channel hole and a tap and dye set to repair any damaged threads.

...just a thought.


_3

[Speed_Demon]

So, I have a quick question about the Turbo problem.

I followed the "Diagnostic procedure" last night to see there was any white/blue smoke from my exhaust.

I drove home normally (a bit of a spirited drive, about 30 minutes, no traffic jams etc...)
When I got home I let the vehicle idle for 10 - 12 minutes and I did not see any smoke at all from the exhaust.

But this morning, when I started the car, the exhaust was smoking (white smoke) for about 1 - 1 1/2 minutes. Then it dissipated. I am assuming this is normal because the vehicle sat all night? Can anyone with more experience shed a little light for me? I would greatly appreciate it.

=]

[mps32008]

So, I have a quick question about the Turbo problem.

I followed the "Diagnostic procedure" last night to see there was any white/blue smoke from my exhaust.

I drove home normally (a bit of a spirited drive, about 30 minutes, no traffic jams etc...)
When I got home I let the vehicle idle for 10 - 12 minutes and I did not see any smoke at all from the exhaust.

But this morning, when I started the car, the exhaust was smoking (white smoke) for about 1 - 1 1/2 minutes. Then it dissipated. I am assuming this is normal because the vehicle sat all night? Can anyone with more experience shed a little light for me? I would greatly appreciate it.

=]
if it's the turbo problem, if you are idling it will not stop, at least not for couple minutes. I just had the problem fixed with warranty, a new turbo and it's all good now. No smoke for almost a month already..and it feels good :)

[CelestSpeed3]

Looks like they found the root cause of this.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f424/mazda-crank-case-vent-change-73677/#post749763

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

Looks like they found the root cause of this.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f424/mazda-crank-case-vent-change-73677/#post749763

I saw that and posted a reply with this link

http://www.streetunit.com/StreetUnit_EGR_Block_Off_Plate_p/sumzregrp.htm

Prior to having my turbo replaced they said there was a PCV design update but not for sub zero climates, not sure if this is a further update on that one, but all I know it was a cheaper solution than replacing turbo?

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

Maybe this one is for all models regardless of climate?

[CelestSpeed3]

I think this is for the PCV system, not the EGR system. I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of this eventually.


Where did you hear that this PCV solution was not for our climate?

There are places in the US that are just as cold as us. I haven't seen the full TSB so I can't comment on what's written in it.

[Fobio]

If I saw it last week, I'd have just printed it off and walked into a dealer to ask about it...

Can any Mazda Tech verifiy this?

[CelestSpeed3]

I've already sent my e-mails off to MCI.

Now I'm just playing the waiting game. If I have to I'll go in on Thursday or Friday and say hi.

I've been dealing with MCI for a while racing my Mazda6 and running TM6.

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

Back in November the PCV update might of been different at the time, I was told it was not applicable to cars in colder climates due to moisture freezing in the system. This is obviously a newer TSB but I never saw the one I was told about from MCI in November I just had the my smoking turbo replaced.

[Tokay444]

So are we all lining up at Mazda now or do we hold off?...

[CelestSpeed3]

Hold off unless you have an issue.

Dealers get very upset when you come in thinking you know what's best.

I feel the same way when people tell me how electricity works, and have no clue as to what they are talking about. (I'm a Electrician BTW)

[Sean80]

I had my oil and coolant changed at the dealer this morning and they told me to keep an eye to see if my turbo smokes. I wonder if this is a topic they keep hearing about from Mazda Canada....

[Sean80]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clzu-Uh7bV4

This must be the new fix they are talking about on mazdaspeed forums.

[pacmann33]

^That guy doesn't sound like your typical Speed3 owner.

Just sayin!

Back on topic....LOL

[starscream]

Spoke to my local dealer about this today. As of yet nothing on the Canadian systems about this TSB. :(

[zoomzoom33]

Had my turbo replace about 2 months ago along with my timing chain. There was nothing in terms of TSB that the dealer knew of. My car still burns oil but no smoke, got to get it back in again....

[Lam79]

I got a recall notice a few weeks ago for the problem. You should take it in.

[TheMAN]

May 2011

RE: 2007-2009 CX-7, 2007-2008 Mazdaspeed3, 2006-2007 Mazdaspeed6
Heavy White Smoke from Exhaust Tail Pipe - Warranty Extension Program
Special Service Program SSP84

Dear Mazda Owner:

Mazda Motor Corporation has decided to conduct a Special Service Program (SSP) to extend the
warranty coverage for the specific repair of heavy white smoke from exhaust tail pipe(s) concern, on
certain 2007-2009 CX-7 vehicles produced from February 28, 2006 through July 1, 2008, and 2007-
2008 Mazdaspeed3 vehicles produced from July 13, 2006 through June 23, 2008, and 2006-2007
Mazdaspeed6 vehicles produced from August 4, 2005 through June 26, 2007.

The warranty coverage for the specific repair is extended to 7 years (84 months) from the original
warranty start date, with a 140,000 kilometer limitation.
If you are a recipient of this notice, your vehicle is included in this program.

What is the problem?
Certain vehicles may exhibit white smoke from the exhaust tail pipe(s) after long idle periods or while
driving at low speeds in heavy traffic.

It is possible that the white smoke may be caused by the factors as described below.
a) The engine oil, lubricating the turbo charger bearing, may be excessive. When the internal
pressure of crankcase is higher than the exhaust pressure during idling, it is possible that the
engine oil may leak into the exhaust side of the turbine. The engine oil may be accumulated and
heated inside the exhaust pipe, producing white smoke.
b) The engine oil viscosity is low due to oil dilution with fuel caused by insufficient oil change(s).
c) Low viscosity engine oil is used (lower than 5W-30).

What should you do?
If your vehicle experiences this symptom, please make an appointment with a Mazda dealer to
have the vehicle inspected. Your dealer will inspect the vehicle to verify the causal factor of white
smoke. If the white smoke is caused by the factor of a) above, your dealer will install a ventilation
kit or replace the turbo charger free of charge, during the terms of this warranty extension
program.

If the white smoke is caused by the above factor b) poor maintenance, or c) inappropriate engine oil,
this warranty extension program is not applicable.

If your vehicle is functioning normally, there is no need to contact your dealer. We suggest keeping
this letter with the vehicle’s warranty information booklet for future reference.

Page -2-

What if you have already paid for the repair?
If you have already paid for the applicable inspection, repair or part replacement due to white
smoke from exhaust tail pipe caused by the engine oil leak from turbo charger, you may be
eligible for reimbursement of reasonable repair expenses based on Mazda’s repair standards.
Please contact your local Mazda Dealership to receive a reimbursement request form.

Where is the closest Mazda dealer?
To locate your nearest Mazda dealer, visit our web site and try our “Find a Dealer” feature located
at www.mazda.ca or consult your local yellow pages.

Moved or no longer own this vehicle?
If you have moved or no longer own your vehicle, please complete the enclosed prepaid
Information Change Card as soon as possible. This enables us to update our records and notify the
current owner. If you are a vehicle lessor receiving this notice, please take steps to ensure that this
notice is forwarded to the lessee.

Still have questions?
If you have any questions regarding this program, please contact our Customer Assistance Center
at 1-800-263-4680.
We actively work to improve our products and search for solutions to improve your ownership
experience. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this program may have caused
you.

Sincerely,

MAZDA CANADA INC.

[TheMAN]

2007-2008MY
Mazdaspeed3

JM1 BK34L* 71 604680 – 774164
JM1 BK34L* 81 124075 – 184211
JM1 BK34L* 81 774441 – 823174

From July 13, 2006
through June 23, 2008

Ventilation Set L3Y2-13-S80B For Mazdaspeed3
Oil Filler Cap LF01-10-250 When necessary

[Speed_Demon]

I just brought my vehicle to Ajax Mazda and they did the Turbo 'recall/fix' on Saturday. They also must have removed the battery connectors cause everything was reset in the car....

[breakfasteatre]

no problems with the cobb intake?

[TheMAN]

I just brought my vehicle to Ajax Mazda and they did the Turbo 'recall/fix' on Saturday. They also must have removed the battery connectors cause everything was reset in the car....
they have to remove the battery to get to the inlet pipe

[rzapata]

2007-2008MY
Mazdaspeed3

JM1 BK34L* 71 604680 – 774164
JM1 BK34L* 81 124075 – 184211
JM1 BK34L* 81 774441 – 823174

From July 13, 2006
through June 23, 2008

Ventilation Set L3Y2-13-S80B For Mazdaspeed3
Oil Filler Cap LF01-10-250 When necessary

Saw this posting again.. I checked and noticed that my vin is within those range mentioned by TheMAN... Would I be able to get Mazda to replace what needs to be replaced even though I'm not seeing any white smoke or whatnot??? Just a preventative measure I suppose...

[TheMAN]

did you even read the letter I posted?

[rzapata]

did you even read the letter I posted?

Yes, read it.. But apparently I was reading it half asleep last night.. Read it again and, got the answer. :) Thanks for the post by the way! :thumbsup

[Speed_Demon]

they have to remove the battery to get to the inlet pipe

Ahh, cool. Thx.

[cy88]

Sorry for bringing back up an old thread - Would I have received that letter posted by TheMAN? Or would that be something in Mazda's system?

[SKYMP3]

Getting this issue now at 78000km on my 07 MS3
So dealers are aware of this and will fix this issue?

Do I have to flash back to stock map with my AP before going back?

[Mr Wilson]

Yes to both.

Just make sure it smokes for them when you take it in.

[SKYMP3]

Yes to both.

Just make sure it smokes for them when you take it in.


That's harder to control, lol

Do they give a shit if I have other mod on? CAI, TIP and TP.
I haven't go back to dealer for service for years.

[Mr Wilson]

The dealer I went to in London was great and even with mods I didn't have an issue....granted this was also right after Mazda extended the turbo warranty. Keep a camera with you take video if you can along with your plates (to prove its your car), if it is not doing it all the time.

[mikey32235]

my 08ms3 has only 78000km and it smokes when it idles for about 1 min. wtf! i just had my oil changed at the dealer too. my warranty expires at 80k or december. will they cover the turbo?

[fywdyl]

my 08ms3 has only 78000km and it smokes when it idles for about 1 min. wtf! i just had my oil changed at the dealer too. my warranty expires at 80k or december. will they cover the turbo?

Go ask them. Take the bulletin with you.

[Fack_Dude]

better yet. sell you car and call it the day bro.

[Mr Wilson]

my 08ms3 has only 78000km and it smokes when it idles for about 1 min. wtf! i just had my oil changed at the dealer too. my warranty expires at 80k or december. will they cover the turbo?

Turbo warranty was extended to 140,000 (or was it 120?) and 7 years. Was it actually smoke or steam? If the turbo is smoking you'd be unable to see cars behind you.

[Turok]

my 08ms3 has only 78000km and it smokes when it idles for about 1 min. wtf! i just had my oil changed at the dealer too. my warranty expires at 80k or december. will they cover the turbo?

Your covered, I had my turbo replaced by Mazda and I had roughly the same KM on my car when it started smoking. I took mine to QEW Mazda at the time. I agree with Mr.Wilson make sure it's smoking, when mine was smoking it SMOKED big time.. I mean you could see the smoke cloud moving with the wind down the street. Put it this way if it's smoking for real it will drift several 100ft.. if it's just steam it will not drift as far and it will dissipate as the car warms up.

Mr.Wilson - It was 120KM originally I was told.

[SKYMP3]

Is your car stock?

[Turok]

My car wasn't stock when I had the smoking turbo.. although I only had a TIH and SRI, RMM at the time. QEW Mazda didn't say a word about the mods.

[SKYMP3]

My car wasn't stock when I had the smoking turbo.. although I only had a TIH and SRI, RMM at the time. QEW Mazda didn't say a word about the mods.

Good, but those arent exhuast mod.
I imagine someone has DP, or TP or cbe will have more trouble getting the warranty honor.

[Turok]

Possibly, but the TIH is connected to the turbo which they could give you crap about. Even though it really wouldn't do any harm.

[horto]

QEW Mazda is (well, was) one of the select few dealerships that were mod-friendly. (As long as you weren't a retard).

[Turok]

QEW Mazda is (well, was) one of the select few dealerships that were mod-friendly. (As long as you weren't a retard).

Yup that's why I went there when I had my smoking turbo.. I knew they wouldn't give me any problems.

[mikey32235]

Why when i went to mazda with this problem they did not replace my turbo or at least put a vent kit? it is smoking! what do i say to them?

[Impressive]

Why when i went to mazda with this problem they did not replace my turbo or at least put a vent kit? it is smoking! what do i say to them?

If you still have warranty go to a different dealership.

[Fack_Dude]

Why when i went to mazda with this problem they did not replace my turbo or at least put a vent kit? it is smoking! what do i say to them?

Are you kidding me. Goto the dealer and tell them to fix the problem.

[mikey32235]

so my turbo blew today.... F**K ! gotta get her towed to mazda tmrw and hopefully they change it no charge no problems.. so upset right now :(

[Impressive]

so my turbo blew today.... F**K ! gotta get her towed to mazda tmrw and hopefully they change it no charge no problems.. so upset right now :(

Ouch...sorry to hear that bro.

At least now your BT upgrade is somewhat justified :)

[mikey32235]

your right on that part. but I'm gonna go to mazda, if they can give me the warranty and replace it no charge, then ill just stick with what i have for now.

[Impressive]

your right on that part. but I'm gonna go to mazda, if they can give me the warranty and replace it no charge, then ill just stick with what i have for now.

Did you install your DP before your turbo blew?

[Fack_Dude]

your right on that part. but I'm gonna go to mazda, if they can give me the warranty and replace it no charge, then ill just stick with what i have for now.

If you still havr the warranty they will cover it dude.

[mikey32235]

I just bought the car like 5000km ago and when i went to mazda newmarket about it they said because the car wasn't serviced here since 20,000km the warranty is voided. they obviously didn't wanna help me so i gotta tow it to mazda markham tomorrow. its now sitting in my shop at canadian tire.. fml!

[FLIPDADY]

You might have a hard time getting your turbo covered if there is a lack of service history. It sucks but that's the way things are done. Hopefully Markham Mazda will be able to hook you up.

[mikey32235]

ah its not fair at all tho i bought the car 5000km ago! last time i got the oil change done was at mazda tho. i don't know now. i don't wanna get my hopes up too high but ill see what they say tomorrow. if it doesn't work out, anyone have any suggestions on what i should do next?

[sharkbait]

so you purchased the car 5,000 km ago and it hasnt been to a mazda dealer since? well hopefully they will repair it for you but they may need to go a bit further in diag that you may have to cover for the dealer to verify the maint has been completed prior to them auth a turbo replacement. and i would doubt they have one in stock so you would more or less be waiting until next week as i would suspect if you took it there on saturday they wont do much with it until monday and then need to diag the car and back and forth with mazda canada, then if the repairs are authorized order the parts depending on time could be a day or so. plus replacement time. so if all goes well you could be looking at next friday. fingers crossed!

[Fack_Dude]

Hey dude,

Don't worry about the turbo and if Mazda doesn't fix it for you. Just pick up a 2871 and drop that shit into your speed and you will be good as new.

[loki]

All this is in the wrong thread


It's still funny tho

[mikey32235]

car went on the flatbed to avante mazda yesterday, my buddy is good friends with frank serpa the owner there so hopefully there will be no problems warrentying my turbo! ill keep everyone updated. i should be receiving a call tomorrow morning.

[FLIPDADY]

car went on the flatbed to avante mazda yesterday, my buddy is good friends with frank serpa the owner there so hopefully there will be no problems warrentying my turbo! ill keep everyone updated. i should be receiving a call tomorrow morning.
Good news, hopefully you'll get this resolved soon.:)

[mikey32235]

bad news! mazda ****ed me lol. now they want 4g to replace turbo labor etc... what the f@ck do i do now!

[Booostin]

bad news! mazda ****ed me lol. now they want 4g to replace turbo labor etc... what the f@ck do i do now!

Please tell me they didn't already perform the work? I doubt they did so just buy a bigger turbo.

Also, did you remove the tune and put the stock tune back on the car before you gave it to them?

[mikey32235]

yea i removed the tune, no they haven't touched it yet.

[Booostin]

Did they tell you why they can't replace it under warranty?

[mikey32235]

they said cause theres no oil change history.. they said they don't wanna touch the car cause its modified... they started blabbing on and i just got fkn fed up cause they are just waisting my time. I'm just gonna buy turbo put it in myself.

[TheMAN]

just buy the vent kit and do it yourself... it's cheaper than a turbo upgrade, and in the long term you're better off with it, even if you upgraded your turbo
the kit isn't cheap, but it's still cheaper than a turbo nonetheless

if you can find out ownership history of the car, maybe you can get service records too... like find out which dealer originally sold the car, and then see if the car got regular service at that dealer... outside of that, you're pretty SOL unless you by some miracle of working up the ladder you get mazda to pay to fix it

[Fobio]

just buy the vent kit and do it yourself... it's cheaper than a turbo upgrade, and in the long term you're better off with it, even if you upgraded your turbo
the kit isn't cheap, but it's still cheaper than a turbo nonetheless

if you can find out ownership history of the car, maybe you can get service records too... like find out which dealer originally sold the car, and then see if the car got regular service at that dealer... outside of that, you're pretty SOL unless you by some miracle of working up the ladder you get mazda to pay to fix it

if the turbo blew, getting a vent kit isn't going to solve anything. if he gets a new turbo, he'll very likely not need the vent kit to begin with.

[mikey32235]

the seals blew up so a vent kit wouldn't do anything because the oil is running down the exhaust still burning. it would go through the kit. tomorrow is the final decision and answer from the dealer. if they don't do it then I'm gonna buy a rebuilt one and put it in.

[Mr Wilson]

Rebuilt like BNR Stage 2 or 3 rebuilt?

[Fack_Dude]

Dude. Check kijiji. There is a rebuilt k04 for 250. Just freshly rebuilt.

[Booostin]

Already sent him that link yesterday

[mikey32235]

yea thanks to boostin i saw that one. and i contacted the guy selling it already. thanks!

[Fack_Dude]

contact jimmy from street performance to see how much he will charge for the install.

[mikey32235]

once i get it, I'm gonna try to put it in myself, I've already looked at it, seems simple as I've done this before. if i can't figure it out then i will contact jimmy. thanks fack_dude

[mikey32235]

just spoke to ted from avante mazda, great guy really trying to help me out here. ill receive the final response from mazda corp tomorrow as to getting the turbo replaced for free or not. ill let you all know around 1pm!

[Fobio]

just spoke to ted from avante mazda, great guy really trying to help me out here. ill receive the final response from mazda corp tomorrow as to getting the turbo replaced for free or not. ill let you all know around 1pm!

Good luck.

[CelestSpeed3]

And the official word is NO

BT time !!!!!

[mikey32235]

lol if the answer is really no then mabye ill concider bt time haha

[Fack_Dude]

lol if the answer is really no then mabye ill concider bt time haha

You better see if you can buy your slowvo back. lol

[mikey32235]

hey i built that car to 400whp just like ur current speed ;) ahaha. i think its all gonna go well. ill let everyone know by 1!

[Fack_Dude]

hey i built that car to 400whp just like ur current speed ;) ahaha. i think its all gonna go well. ill let everyone know by 1!

Pics or it didnt happen. ;)

[Turok]

So what's the deal? Did you hear back from Mazda?

[mazdaspeedemon3]

why were you not able to prove oil change history, did you just buy the car?
curious to see what Mazda said

[Booostin]

Mazda can get f**ked ... he bought a rebuilt K04

[mazdaspeedemon3]

Mazda can get f**ked ... he bought a rebuilt K04

f*** eh thats a bummer, awe really i woulda jumped on a BNR 3!

wonder if he picked up the one from kijiji

[Booostin]

f*** eh thats a bummer, awe really i woulda jumped on a BNR 3!

wonder if he picked up the one from kijiji

Ya he did, it was some guy who works at Budds Mazda.

[mazdaspeedemon3]

Ya he did, it was some guy who works at Budds Mazda.

good stuff, thanks for the update

hope it works out for him

[mikey32235]

hey guys. so as booosted mentioned, i met up with the guy and he happened to be a general technician at buds mazda! after tax mazda wanted 4000..they can **** themselves! specifically 8 hours in labor... it took me 1 hour and a half to remove and install the turbo myself. trust me, do the turbo swap yourself!! other than that, my ms3 is up and running perfect! not a single spot of smoke. no weird sounds or anything. ill b seeing you all at the meet on the 23rd! :)

[mikey32235]

if anyone needs his contact information, he might still have the add up on kijiji, he told me he has 6 turbos sitting at home he needs to rebuild still or have rebuilt already. pm me

[TheMAN]

if you're running the stock turbo, I still recommend getting the vent kit ;)

[mikey32235]

how come?

[TheMAN]

because the stock racist turbo is crap and you don't want to have excess crankcase pressure at idle, which is what blows the seal... the vent kit is supposed to fix this pressure problem and it worked for most people who have smoking problems
you might as well put the kit on as cheap insurance/preventative measure :)

[hackdss]

if anyone needs his contact information, he might still have the add up on kijiji, he told me he has 6 turbos sitting at home he needs to rebuild still or have rebuilt already. pm me


I need a turbo for my speed 6 is this guy still around

Thanks