Sponsor Whoring the Forum

[RedRaptor]

I've been a long time member here and I understand that having forum sponsors is very important to keep the board up and running. I think its great that TM3 has plenty of sponsors and that we are flourishing as a community with events and meets planned.

Lately I've been having an issue with one specific forum sponsor and that is NextMod which is owned by SuperShyGuy. Don't get me wrong, I love his products and what he does for this forum and our cars. How he is able to create replica parts for half the price of the originals makes modding much more affordable. However, the way he has been "whoring" himself in every post trying to sell his products is unacceptable. I think its fair to say that forum members are smart enough to browse the sponsor section should they need to purchase an item.

My suggestion is to prohibit sponsors from cluttering useful threads with advertisments. If they wish to do so, they can send a PM to the user in need but having the rest of us read "I have HIDs in stock, everything in stock" 5x a day is just torture.

Let me know what you guys think.

Red.

[Fobio]

without interjecting with an opinion siding with anyone, I just want to say that perhaps this is a sign of the tough economic times that we're currently in.

[SpeedBaby]

:pop

peter is a great guy and makes a lot of effort to make our modding hobby both profitable for him and when possible more affordable for us (in that exact order).

he runs a business and we all understand that he needs to advertise his offers and services just like any other sponsor does, but i agree 100% with the OP that maybe we should get some sort of advertising/promotion guidelines for the forum.

[Iceman_F1]

:pop

peter is a great guy and makes a lot of effort to make our modding hobby both profitable for him and when possible more affordable for us (in that exact order).

he runs a business and we all understand that he needs to advertise his offers and services just like any other sponsor does, but i agree 100% with the OP that maybe we should get some sort of advertising/promotion guidelines for the forum.

Not going to comment for or against...just going to provide links :pop

Something like this? - http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32135

To which the Affiliate dealerships have this - http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32164

And we obviously have this as regular users - http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=15662

Whether people follow them or read them is up in the air...

[JSI]

I'm a newbie here but I gather this about the stuff being added to the "Nextmod" section right?

Isn't that what it's for? So he can add any new stuff and promotions that are going on?

Jeremy

[Noisy Crow]

I think he generally does follow the rules:

5: If a member posts a question about certain product availability outside of your forum you may respond by indicating to them by way of a post that you have those items and direct the poster to review your section of the forum.

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32135

[Iceman_F1]

I'm a newbie here but I gather this about the stuff being added to the "Nextmod" section right?

Isn't that what it's for? So he can add any new stuff and promotions that are going on?

Jeremy

No, they are pointing out that in a thread just talking about a subject, if a sponsor had it for sale or could get it, they would post in that thread saying "I have it" or "I can get it, let me know". When it isn't their "section".

Example. I start a thread asking someones opinion on after market seats. A sponsor sees I'm in the market for seats and says "I have that" or "I can get that for you" even though I was only asking peoples opinion. Occasional use of this isn't too bad, but the OP is saying it's a bit over the top.

I'm not going to say my opinion for or against right now...just trying to clarify I guess...

[RedRaptor]

I'm a newbie here but I gather this about the stuff being added to the "Nextmod" section right?

Isn't that what it's for? So he can add any new stuff and promotions that are going on?

Jeremy

Jeremy,

It is my understanding that sponsors can add whatever they like to their OWN section. The problem is, Peter likes to post in 60% of the public threads lately commenting on how he has the product "X" being discussed in stock. This has been going on for awhile. This is a techique used by sponsors (check out Mazda3Forums.com where its a bigger problem). They pretend to talk about the subject being discussed and post a small comment so that their signatures are there for advertisment purposes.

In NextMod's case, they don't even try to write a small comment.

[RedRaptor]

For those trying to follow: Here is a recent example. The thread is talking about how the car looks like when the OEM grille is removed. So a member asks the question how would the car look like with the "open mouth grille"? The member is NOT even asking about "where/how much/" to get the item. It might lead to that and he might eventually ask "Where would I get this grille?". Then a mod or another member can says "Check with NextMod or any other sponsor".

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=466685#post466685

[JSI]

Oh I see, misunderstood.

Jeremy

[Iceman_F1]

For those trying to follow: Here is a recent example. The thread is talking about how the car looks like when the OEM grille is removed. So a member asks the question how would the car look like with the "open mouth grille"? The member is NOT even asking about "where/how much/" to get the item. It might lead to that and he might eventually ask "Where would I get this grille?". Then a mod or another member can says "Check with NextMod or any other sponsor".

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=466685#post466685

The thing though is in your post in that link, you say at least take it to PM. However, accroding to the rules link ( here (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32135) ), there's the following rule...

6. Sponsors may not advertise through the Private Message (PM) of the board unless a member specifically requests this.

[Fobio]

here's my opinion...I'd never fault a guy for hustling...come on, times are tough, ppl gosta do what needs to be done to make $$$...models and accessories ain't cheap, pimpin' ain't easy...

having said that, I'm sure the Moderators will respond favourably if you find a post unsuitable or objectionable, then report it using the red triangle with the "!" in the middle under that user's avatar.

[MPS]

just like i reported urs fobio :chuckle


here's my opinion...I'd never fault a guy for hustling...come on, times are tough, ppl gosta do what needs to be done to make $$$...models and accessories ain't cheap, pimpin' ain't easy...

having said that, I'm sure the Moderators will respond favourably if you find a post unsuitable or objectionable, then report it using the red triangle with the "!" in the middle under that user's avatar.

[RedRaptor]

The thing though is in your post in that link, you say at least take it to PM. However, accroding to the rules link ( here (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32135) ), there's the following rule...

6. Sponsors may not advertise through the Private Message (PM) of the board unless a member specifically requests this.

I guess PM is the lesser of the two evils. Its public soliciting vs private soliciting. That is why I brought this topic up for discussion. I want to see how everyone else feels. If everyone is cool with it, then just let it be. Personally I feel its wrong.

[S.F.W.]

The thing though is in your post in that link, you say at least take it to PM. However, accroding to the rules link ( here (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=32135) ), there's the following rule...

6. Sponsors may not advertise through the Private Message (PM) of the board unless a member specifically requests this.

The purpose of that rule is to not have sponsors send mass PM's saying they have a special on product X, at X price, are you interested? To Pm a member that has posted a need for a product is ok.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I've been a long time member here and I understand that having forum sponsors is very important to keep the board up and running. I think its great that TM3 has plenty of sponsors and that we are flourishing as a community with events and meets planned.

Lately I've been having an issue with one specific forum sponsor and that is NextMod which is owned by SuperShyGuy. Don't get me wrong, I love his products and what he does for this forum and our cars. How he is able to create replica parts for half the price of the originals makes modding much more affordable. However, the way he has been "whoring" himself in every post trying to sell his products is unacceptable. I think its fair to say that forum members are smart enough to browse the sponsor section should they need to purchase an item.

My suggestion is to prohibit sponsors from cluttering useful threads with advertisments. If they wish to do so, they can send a PM to the user in need but having the rest of us read "I have HIDs in stock, everything in stock" 5x a day is just torture.

Let me know what you guys think.

Red.

i agree that posts by sponsors advertising what they have for sale/in-stock/etc should be kept to their particular section of the forum.

if a sponsor comes across a thread outside of their section where they see a need to advertise their wares, they should PM the person who they perceived to have asked the question.

people are smart enough to go to the sponsor section to see what the sponsors have for sale and don't need the constant reminders in 500 (hyperbole) different HID threads that they have them in-stock.

[Fobio]

I'm waiting for SSG to come in here and sell you guys some Haterade and Rephresh...on a Group Buy...lmao...

"I have that in stock!"

I keed I keed...lol...

[Noisy Crow]

people are smart enough to go to the sponsor section to see what the sponsors have for sale and don't need the constant reminders in 500 (hyperbole) different HID threads that they have them in-stock.

And... how many times do you see Allen or Jimmy posting up? It's always someone else pitching for them.

[RedRaptor]

And... how many times do you see Allen or Jimmy posting up? It's always someone else pitching for them.

Thats the point. When you are good, people come to you. They don't need to see your name plastered all over a forum vouching for yourself.

[SpeedBaby]

i'm sure most of Peter's satisfied customer would pitch for him as well if he would even give them a chance, but he likes beating everyone to the punch lol

[sicsol]

I have to agree with Red Raptor, I'm a huge fan of NextMod & the time he takes to come out to our events & weekly meets, but order must be had on the forum.

[RedRaptor]

I'm waiting for SSG to come in here and sell you guys some Haterade and Rephresh...on a Group Buy...lmao...

"I have that in stock!"

I keed I keed...lol...

Nothing to do with hating bro, I'm not jealous of NextMod in anyway. I enjoy looking at pictures of their cars and all their models except the one with the mustache.

[Fobio]

Nothing to do with hating bro, I'm not jealous of NextMod in anyway. I enjoy looking at pictures of their cars and all their models except the one with the mustache.

hey man...fwiw, I agree with you...just trying to inject some humour into this...I wasn't implying that you are hating...

[Thrizzl3]

Nothing to do with hating bro, I'm not jealous of NextMod in anyway. I enjoy looking at pictures of their cars and all their models except the one with the mustache.

WTF!:whoa

[JonsMazda]

:pop

[mleblond]

As a sponsor.....I think it's fine to link to your section like the rule entitles because people don't visit sponsor pages to see what you got. They search, find a thread but don't know a sponsor may sell it. I still get PM's to see if I still sell caliper stickers yet I have threads in my section and a website advertising them....

Peter's case is that he can get pretty much get any product out there. So him to advertise and say I can get that for you in a bunch of threads may be too much like OP stated. Posting a link to a thread in his section would work, as the rule is set.

It's like having a thread called "Ill get it for you" and have clients post whatever they want and link to it. So I can see the predicament here.

[RedRaptor]

hey man...fwiw, I agree with you...just trying to inject some humour into this...I wasn't implying that you are hating...

Np man. :) This thread is really to gauge how everyone feels. I am not starting the pitch fork party. In fact, my sister wants a bunch of parts NextMod is selling for her 3.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

And... how many times do you see Allen or Jimmy posting up? It's always someone else pitching for them.

jimmy has no time to use the computer...speaking of which, someone should buy that guy a netbook with the keyboard wrapped in saran wrap (to prevent dirt and grime from mucking the keys up...like asian grandparents and their tv remotes) for his birthday. then he can come and at least try to whore on the forums...when he's not track prepping fobio's car :)

[chinsterr]

Business is business. If I sold car parts for a living , I would do exactly what Peter is doing. I'm sure most of you would do the same too.

However, I do find it a bit excessive at times .... esp in SP3GT's HID thread.

I guess I'm on the fence with this one.

[Flagrum_3]

i agree that posts by sponsors advertising what they have for sale/in-stock/etc should be kept to their particular section of the forum.

if a sponsor comes across a thread outside of their section where they see a need to advertise their wares, they should PM the person who they perceived to have asked the question.

people are smart enough to go to the sponsor section to see what the sponsors have for sale and don't need the constant reminders in 500 (hyperbole) different HID threads that they have them in-stock.

Agree 100%,


:pop


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[Iceman_F1]

The purpose of that rule is to not have sponsors send mass PM's saying they have a special on product X, at X price, are you interested? To Pm a member that has posted a need for a product is ok.

I realize that. However, with any rule, it's always a toss up on how it's interpreted.

I guess it all depends what threads a person is viewing. I used to find stuff like that a problem. But I guess I stopped seeing it since I don't really visit the threads it's happening in.

:pop

[mzkaye729]

Hmmm.. personally I dont have a problem with it since he is running a business and yes, times are tough... gotta make sure you represent out there. I guess I don't mind his "sponsor whoring" because I'm one of those people that barely go on sponsor-related parts of this forum... so if I happen to be reading around someone else's thread or a thread I created (one that's not on the sponsor forum) and he says something like, "I have this in stock. Let me know if you want it." ... then it is ok with me. At least I know he carries that product should I decide to pick said product up in the future... and I'll know what NextMod has to offer in terms of products.

I'm on Peter's side on this one but it is all subjective !

[WhiteSpeed3]

and this thread is the reason so many aftermarket companies back out of making parts for mazda

PEOPLE COMPLAIN TO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!

IMO

[chinsterr]

and this thread is the reason so many aftermarket companies back out of making parts for mazda

PEOPLE COMPLAIN TO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!

IMO

If I recall correctly, it was only the mazdaspeed3 guys :chuckle

[sp3GT]

I guess when compared to the other sponsors Nextmod does post a lot more. But I don't think he's really breaking any rules.

But in regards to he OP, my HID thread is a good example. Posted same comment twice basically to advertise.

[Dave_The_BMXER]

I'm going to agree with WhiteSpeed3 here yes Peter does it I have noticed but it's not terrible and he contributes to the board in other ways as well.

You could put him on your ignore list?

[Nextmod]

I'm waiting for SSG to come in here and sell you guys some Haterade and Rephresh...on a Group Buy...lmao...

"I have that in stock!"

I keed I keed...lol...

But i do have that instock =)

[Tizmee24]

If I recall correctly, it was only the mazdaspeed3 guys :chuckle

+ 1 :pop

[MPS]

ROLF :chuckle


But i do have that instock =)

[Broli]

it is marketing, and perhaps the most effective means,

not everyone will check the section,

i feel that we give sponsors the right to make these sorts of remarks within reason.

i don't think Peter extends this.

[aris]

it is marketing, and perhaps the most effective means,

not everyone will check the section,

i don't think Peter extends this.

I agree 100% with this....:)

[WhiteSpeed3]

If I recall correctly, it was only the mazdaspeed3 guys :chuckle

this is tru with one company

[dentinger]

i do the same thing when im trying to sell something.
but usually only if someone posts a WTB ad, or if something makes a thread like related to whatever it is im selling.

what i am getting tired of, however, is the size of peter's sig. it fills up my whole screen.
a forum i frequent, (vwvortex), doesnt even have sigs, or avatars, and the forum is so neat, organized, and not full of garbage.

[towelsnap]

+1 on mlebonds responce. Peter is a great guy and has answered numerious emails regarding pricing and has helped me with great service. Knowing that ... Peter has supplied over 70% of our members with products and is a vauled sponsor and someone we would NOT want to loose as a sponsor. I do see both sides of this arguement, and hope all parties are satisfied with the conclusion.

[cwp_sedan]

what i am getting tired of, however, is the size of peter's sig. it fills up my whole screen.
a forum i frequent, (vwvortex), doesnt even have sigs, or avatars, and the forum is so neat, organized, and not full of garbage.

If this is really bothering you then just turn off sigs in the options menu. Problem solved. :)

[blackaccord]

this thread is worthless to begin with.
peter pays to be a sponsor on this site.
with out sponsors HTF will this site be running?
none of you are willing to pay enough to keep this site running
without him promoting his stuff. you guys wouldnt even be getting all these deals
90% of modded cars here have parts from peter.

[MSMitch]

Doesn't bother me personally. If you're a sponsor - should have some perks besides your own section. I think it's fair for a sponsor to remind some folks in threads that they have something in stock that someone is enquiring about (if even only asking about the product and not how much, etc) - as too few people here use the search link - my g-d, how many threads about CAI's can we have???? So obviously, some of the people will be too lazy to search through the sponsor links as well.
Maybe a limit (of say one) on a thread of "reminding" people that you have something, or "give me shout if you are interested in purchasing product X" - it is tougher times now, and you have to be aggressive in this market.
I don't think PM should the answer - as then it's soliciting business personally - and not everyone wants that.
BTW, if anyone has any pets that need advanced surgery - give me a shout!!!! :)

[Fobio]

But i do have that instock =)

^^^haha...I knew it! in for group buy, save me a case of Haterade to pass out to ppl...and some Rephresh for MPS!

1. Fobio (Haterade)
2. MPS (Rephresh)
3. Tizmee24 (Haterade sponsored)
4. chinsterr (Haterade sponsored)
5.

btw, is my filter in yet? =)

[Iceman_F1]

Doesn't bother me personally. If you're a sponsor - should have some perks besides your own section. I think it's fair for a sponsor to remind some folks in threads that they have something in stock that someone is enquiring about (if even only asking about the product and not how much, etc) - as too few people here use the search link - my g-d, how many threads about CAI's can we have???? So obviously, some of the people will be too lazy to search through the sponsor links as well.
Maybe a limit (of say one) on a thread of "reminding" people that you have something, or "give me shout if you are interested in purchasing product X" - it is tougher times now, and you have to be aggressive in this market.
I don't think PM should the answer - as then it's soliciting business personally - and not everyone wants that.
BTW, if anyone has any pets that need advanced surgery - give me a shout!!!! :)

Playing both sides of this discussion. The problem with your suggestion in bold is that, just like the search feature, people sometimes don't read through the full thread and just jump to the end. So if a sponsor were to put an "ad" in the middle of a thread saying they have it, some people might not read it if they jump through the thread without reading it.

[chinsterr]

^^^haha...I knew it! in for group buy, save me a case of Haterade to pass out to ppl...and some Rephresh for MPS!

1. Fobio (Haterade)
2. MPS (Rephresh)
3. Tizmee24 (Haterade sponsored)
4. chinsterr (Haterade sponsored)
5.

btw, is my filter in yet? =)

Awesome, I made the list :P But where's Tokico ?.... i mean Toxic

[Fobio]

Awesome, I made the list :P But where's Tokico ?.... i mean Toxic

You get 1 internetz point for being on the list!

Tokico's already busy hustlin' the Haterade all over Markham for SSG/Nextmod w/ Unizzle...:chuckle

[dentinger]

If this is really bothering you then just turn off sigs in the options menu. Problem solved. :)

oh ok! i didnt know you could do that. thanks :)
i just think there should be a limit to how large your sig is.

[RedRaptor]

this thread is worthless to begin with.
peter pays to be a sponsor on this site.
with out sponsors HTF will this site be running?
none of you are willing to pay enough to keep this site running
without him promoting his stuff. you guys wouldnt even be getting all these deals
90% of modded cars here have parts from peter.

STFU newbie. I have no problems listening to other people's opinion but I haven't even touched on you yet. You're the newbie that has just signed on recently and its obvious you're just a NextMod fan boy. Your posts actually helped provoke this thread so I wouldn't call it "worthless" just yet. Everyone has an opinion, which is why this is an OPEN discussion. You wanna call me out, I can do the same on you.

You're the same guy that picked up the Hella Horns, installed them the same night, yet cannot post a picture of the install. 99% of your posts relate to a NextMod GB or a NextMod product. So maybe you might want to contribute something useful to this forum before you call a thread useless.

Idiot.

[RedRaptor]

I wonder how this site and others survived before Peter came along and bailed it out. You make it sound like if NextMod gets nothing out of the sales and this is all charity work.

Business is business. Don't try to play both sides of the card.

[insaini]

:pop:bana2:bana

[mzkaye729]

:pop:bana2:bana

+1 !!!!!!!!!:bana2 share the popcorn !!

[Fobio]

STFU newbie. I have no problems listening to other people's opinion but I haven't even touched on you yet. You're the newbie that has just signed on recently and its obvious you're just a NextMod fan boy. Your posts actually helped provoke this thread so I wouldn't call it "worthless" just yet. Everyone has an opinion, which is why this is an OPEN discussion. You wanna call me out, I can do the same on you.

You're the same guy that picked up the Hella Horns, installed them the same night, yet cannot post a picture of the install. 99% of your posts relate to a NextMod GB or a NextMod product. So maybe you might want to contribute something useful to this forum before you call a thread useless.

Idiot.

I have shared your feelings the very first day I noticed the behaviour, and have also reported it for review to the mods. I also wonder the validity of the new account. But it appears this newb does know somebody... you want to vouch for this guy chinsterr?

[cwp_sedan]

oh ok! i didnt know you could do that. thanks :)
i just think there should be a limit to how large your sig is.

NP. There is a limit but most of the time it's not enforced.




The maximum size of your custom image is 600 by 150 pixels or 14.6 KB (whichever is smaller).(Taken from the User CP menu)


This should be the height of image and text combined, but those details aren't mentioned anywhere.

[Iceman_F1]

NP. There is a limit but most of the time it's not enforced.

This should be the height of image and text combined, but those details aren't mentioned anywhere.

I've seen warnings before for people who had a signature too big. However you're right about nothing (from what I can see) about text and image combined.

It's hard to judge for width as well (if you put text beside a picture)...and what if you don't have a picture and only text? It would be hard to pinpoint the exact height in pixles because people can have different font settings.

[cwp_sedan]

I've seen warnings before for people who had a signature too big. However you're right about nothing (from what I can see) about text and image combined.

It's hard to judge for width as well (if you put text beside a picture)...and what if you don't have a picture and only text? It would be hard to pinpoint the exact height in pixles because people can have different font settings.

It's all an approximation to keep things under control. A little leniency for sigs are ok as long as there isn't anything outrageously big.

SUCH AS THIS ONE lol. Which isn't THAT big but you get my point.

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=466903&postcount=38



For me I'm usually on a 22"+ monitor so my resolution brings the size of everything down a little making them a little more tolerable.





Wait, was this topic about sigs and avatars or Sponsor Whoring?
:gone

[S.F.W.]

Actually we(mod team) has been considering cracking down on signatures. May do that in the next few days, as we see people post.

[Iceman_F1]

It's all an approximation to keep things under control. A little leniency for sigs are ok as long as there isn't anything outrageously big.

SUCH AS THIS ONE lol. Which isn't THAT big but you get my point.

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=466903&postcount=38

:chuckle for a second, I thought you were going to link to my signature

But again, it can be different based on the font people use. In that case, I can agree that it does look a bit big...maybe if the person used a different font size. But it might look big even then if the person looking at it had their browser set to a bigger font if they have problems viewing text online.

I can understand being lenient...but for some things, there could be more being enforced.

Like in the case of what you just listed, maybe a nested table to help format it better? Putting the text beside the picture so that the overall height isn't too big but still showing the info?


For me I'm usually on a 22"+ monitor so my resolution brings the size of everything down a little making them a little more tolerable.

Wait, was this topic about sigs and avatars or Sponsor Whoring?
:gone

Same, at work, I'm on a 22" monitor as well so doesn't bother me too much. But when I go home, I'm on a 13" macbook so it does make scrolling a bit more difficult.

And the thread started as whoring...but sigs and avatars can be considered it too if you have a lot of info about your place or stuff in your signature. As an example, in Peters case, he has the image, his work hours, a link to a thread saying his grand opening (which is now over) which makes it pretty long. So in this case, both points are valid in the term of "sponsor whoring"




This discussion is FUN :pop

[Nextmod]

lol sorry I keep adding to it and forgot to delete some stuff, I will make change that today

sorry guys with the 13" screens =P

[Nextmod]

better?

[Iceman_F1]

lol sorry I keep adding to it and forgot to delete some stuff, I will make change that today

sorry guys with the 13" screens =P


better?

LOL...It wasn't a dig against you...just more that I agreed with the fact some people have long signatures.

But now that you mention it, I actually like that condensed signature better :chuckle

I'm just amused with the debate and throwing inputs back and forth. It's fun on an otherwise boring day! :pop

[Cardinal Fang]

LOL...It wasn't a dig against you...just more that I agreed with the fact some people have long signatures.



Why is it the guys are the ones concerned with the "long signatures?" :)

[Nextmod]

LOL...It wasn't a dig against you...just more that I agreed with the fact some people have long signatures.

But now that you mention it, I actually like that condensed signature better :chuckle

I'm just amused with the debate and throwing inputs back and forth. It's fun on an otherwise boring day! :pop

ah you should see how many hate mails I get for "I came to your store at 11 and you were open, wtf" and "I drove all the way from ...... and you were closed"

now its just going to be worst lol

any ways keep the debate going =)

[Nextmod]

Why is it the guys are the ones concerned with the "long signatures?" :)

cause with my "long sig" it makes their look short =)

[Iceman_F1]

Why is it the guys are the ones concerned with the "long signatures?" :)
I never said it was JUST guys that have "long signatures"...there could be some females with them too...Maybe your amish midgets have the longest signatures...

:gone

EDIT: Re-read it...above statement still stands...but maybe some guys are self consious about their "signature length" and would like others shorter to make up for their lack of one?

:gone

[Tokic_o]

I have shared your feelings the very first day I noticed the behaviour, and have also reported it for review to the mods. I also wonder the validity of the new account. But it appears this newb does know somebody... you want to vouch for this guy chinsterr?

haha, its not me :chuckle

[JonsMazda]

Doesn't bother me at all...

[mzkaye729]

ah you should see how many hate mails I get for "I came to your store at 11 and you were open, wtf" and "I drove all the way from ...... and you were closed"

now its just going to be worst lol

any ways keep the debate going =)

Hahahaha that sucks !

But how about just bolding the letters ? That way they pop out a bit more ? That way, the semi-blind ones can see your store's hours of operation ?

[Nextmod]

Great idea. on to it now lol

[mzkaye729]

Great idea. on to it now lol

There, that's much better now :)

[RedRaptor]

Mods, maybe we can set up a poll to vote.

I am sure there are people out there with an opinion but don't like the public spotlight. If everyone is okay with sponsors whoring threads, then we can put this to rest. If not, TM3 can make changes to sponsorship rules.

Put two options:

1) Prohibit sponsorship whoring
2) Leave sponsorship rules "as is"

This is a binary vote.

[Tokic_o]

From what I've seen, the posts that SSG makes are 1 line or 2 at most. (in stock, blah blah)

I don't like the posts, but I don't care for them. Is it that hard to scroll an extra cm to skip that post? Or if you don't have a scrolly mouse then 1 extra click on the arrow.

I'm sure RR or Fobio is going to jump in here and call me a Nextmod lover/fanboy any moment now.

How about do a vote on
1) prohibit sponsors to let others know he has something instock or can get something outside of the sponsor area
2) Leave sponsorship rules as is

Find something better to do.

[MPS]

RR lay off the next hating
i don't know what nextmod nightmares you had but plz drop this
SSG has rent to pay unlike most sponsors here doing it from home and have day jobs
this is his thing its his shop and his day job so yes he will post more then other sponsors
let it go he knows he is a whore maybe this will make him take it more serious now
and he will chill on posting

[RedRaptor]

RR lay off the next hating
i don't know what nextmod nightmares you had but plz drop this
SSG has rent to pay unlike most sponsors here doing it from home and have day jobs
this is his thing its his shop and his day job so yes he will post more then other sponsors
let it go he knows he is a whore maybe this will make him take it more serious now
and he will chill on posting

I love you insult me with your first two sentences (I am assuming you meant to put a period after each sentence but never got around to it...) and then you start talking all serious.

Its not in my hands. The "people" should speak through a vote.

[RedRaptor]

Find something better to do.

I guess I should go back to busting your balls? You're the next coming of RR in training, you just don't know it yet, Young Grasshopper. :)

[Iceman_F1]

RR lay off the next hating
i don't know what nextmod nightmares you had but plz drop this
SSG has rent to pay unlike most sponsors here doing it from home and have day jobs
this is his thing its his shop and his day job so yes he will post more then other sponsors
let it go he knows he is a whore maybe this will make him take it more serious now
and he will chill on posting

To be fair, RedRaptor was using SuperShyGuy as an example. He's not the only one to post a lot of "I have it" or "I can get it for you". The issue I believe he is trying to point out is that sometimes, it goes outside of "occasional" and seems like it's spamming the boards. Some might not mind it. Others might hate it with a passion. RedRaptor was just trying to find out who else might have thought it annoying and seeing if it could be changed to make it happen less often.

[Tokic_o]

I guess I should go back to busting your balls? You're the next coming of RR in training, you just don't know it yet, Young Grasshopper. :)

Oh believe me. Although I don't agree with alot of your posts in this thread and the point of this thread. I do love this thread. This forum needs threads like these to keep it entertaining.

You can keep busting my balls if you want, just don't do a low blow and start reporting me.

[Fobio]

I'm sure RR or Fobio is going to jump in here and call me a Nextmod lover/fanboy any moment now.


actually, I was hoping you'd be a Fobio fanboy by now...lol...

seriously tho, I don't think you're a fanboy...you and unizzle rep the nextmod stuff...so what...and on that note, I think having guys like you reppin' the NextMod stuff, riding around and making friends is the BEST form of advertising ANY sponsor can ask for...

you get my drift? :)

[Tokic_o]

actually, I was hoping you'd be a Fobio fanboy by now...lol...

seriously tho, I don't think you're a fanboy...you and unizzle rep the nextmod stuff...so what...and on that note, I think having guys like you reppin' the NextMod stuff, riding around and making friends is the BEST form of advertising ANY sponsor can ask for...

you get my drift? :)

LOL :chuckle

implying something ?

[Fobio]

implying something ?

No...and I really have no idea what you mean.

My point, if I need to spell it out:

Vendors do whatever they can to sell...that's what vendors do. From all the marketing I see from vendors, the most effective method for me, is thru word of mouth. If I'm friends with Tokic_o and he tells me about his hook-up called Peter who's got what I need, I'll likely contact Peter to find out more.

Having a member rep your stuff and promote that way, is very effective, and removes some of the stigma of "post whoring". But I digress, as anytime anyone jumps into to a thread with a "financial" motivation, it will be very apparent and frowned upon...

it's a fine line...that all vendors and their friends have to walk.

EDIT: and I agree that RR is only using SSG as AN EXAMPLE...he even stated his sister will be getting some NextMod stuff...so let's not turn this into RR vs SSG...that's just not it. Besides, Peter is taking this in good stride. And his positive responses so far means that he's willing to make adjustments as per the community....let's keep it light, as I'd hate for this forum to turn into M3F or M247.

[RedRaptor]

Oh believe me. Although I don't agree with alot of your posts in this thread and the point of this thread. I do love this thread. This forum needs threads like these to keep it entertaining.

You can keep busting my balls if you want, just don't do a low blow and start reporting me.

There is one thing about me you need to know and that is, if I have an opinion I will voice it publicly. I am not saying reporting posts to moderator is the wrong way, but I'm not scared to be stoned for my opinions. I have not reported a single post regarding NextMod or any other sponsor regarding the topic of whoring the forum. I created this thread to get a feel of how others feel. Thats why I think having a public vote is a great idea. This has NOTHING to do with hating on NextMod or any other sponsor.

[Fuman]

Having a member rep your stuff and promote that way, is very effective, and removes some of the stigma of "post whoring". But I digress, as anytime anyone jumps into to a thread with a "financial" motivation, it will be very apparent and frowned upon...

it's a fine line...that all vendors and their friends have to walk.

EDIT: and I agree that RR is only using SSG as AN EXAMPLE...he even stated his sister will be getting some NextMod stuff...so let's not turn this into RR vs SSG...that's just not it. Besides, Peter is taking this in good stride. And his positive responses so far means that he's willing to make adjustments as per the community....let's keep it light, as I'd hate for this forum to turn into M3F or M247.
+1

[Broli]

it seems to me by reading this thread that there is not a clear concensus one way or the other, a vote of 55% to 45% (for example) would mean nearly nothing in terms of a directional statement for the mod team to consider.

[Iceman_F1]

it seems to me by reading this thread that there is not a clear concensus one way or the other, a vote of 55% to 45% (for example) would mean nearly nothing in terms of a directional statement for the mod team to consider.

But so far, this is just people discussing it here. Maybe there will be a bigger opinion if it was a poll. Then it wouldn't be them voicing for everyone to see but could vote a bit private.

[RedRaptor]

it seems to me by reading this thread that there is not a clear concensus one way or the other, a vote of 55% to 45% (for example) would mean nearly nothing in terms of a directional statement for the mod team to consider.

Just put the poll up and be done with it. There are tons of people who feel strongly about this either way but don't want to get into the drama. Having the right to vote doesn't hurt so put on your moderator hat and let's make this happen already.

[Broli]

But so far, this is just people discussing it here. Maybe there will be a bigger opinion if it was a poll. Then it wouldn't be them voicing for everyone to see but could vote a bit private.

perhaps, though i doubt it.

and a bimodal vote perhaps is to simplistic maybe there are other things to consider?


Just put the poll up and be done with it. There are tons of people who feel strongly about this either way but don't want to get into the drama. Having the right to vote doesn't hurt so put on your moderator hat and let's make this happen already.

tons of people feeling strong about it both ways seems to me at least that another sort of solution would be preferable. this is not black and white imo

i have no interest in putting up a poll myself, thanks for the invitation.

[Tokic_o]

It shows how much time we all have on our hands at work to continue arguing about this topic.

[RedRaptor]

And I thought there was a lot of political red tape at work and in the government offices...

Thanks for your excellent impression of David Miller, Broli.

[Fobio]

It shows how much time we all have on our hands at work to continue arguing about this topic.

but it is entertaining...:pop

besides, I'm taking time out of my busy day to save the world...what you up to?

BTW, as a member of the community, I think it's great that ppl actually care about their community enough to take time out to discuss and make it better....that's the way I see RR's and even SSG's responses have been so far.

[Tokic_o]

but it is entertaining...:pop

besides, I'm taking time out of my busy day to save the world...what you up to?

I'm jsut releasing all my rage here before I tackle my drive home.

[RedRaptor]

It shows how much time we all have on our hands at work to continue arguing about this topic.

One minute he tells us that he "loves this thread" and the next minute he complains about too much arguing.

You never know what a 19 year old wants nowadays. :)

[Tokic_o]

One minute he tells us that he "loves this thread" and the next minute he complains about too much arguing.

You never know what a 19 year old wants nowadays. :)

Its getting too technical now. Too "political". No 19 year old wants to use their brain cells. Its just not cool anymore.

Keep making those commetns about paying the 11 year old kid in the back and I'll just keep reading and stop posting.

[omalak]

lol :pop:bana2

I don't have much to say.. I think there is a fine line when it comes to sponsors and post whoring..

I think SSG might be walking that line right now lol

[mazdabetty]

http://www.organicpassion.info/images/banana.jpg

[Noisy Crow]

I think it really comes down to the question: Does the post add value to the thread?

Some examples:

If the OP is asking "where can I get a Mazdaspeed exhuast" and a sponsor jumps in and says "I've got Vibrant in stock!", well, that's pretty much post-whoring.

Even if the if the question is "where can I can I buy a exhaust system for a good price", posting, "I have Vibrant in stock" is post-whoring, unless the vendor can explain why his price is excellent (e.g. "I have Vibrant on sale for 50% off!).

Finally, replying to "Where can I buy a Vibrant exhaust" with "I have Vibrant in stock" is within bounds.

Oh BTW: I hate big sigs. But I like to leave them turne on as I do read them sometimes!

[MPS]

http://static.open.salon.com/files/fresh-apple1233606650.jpg

[Fobio]

I'm jsut releasing all my rage here before I tackle my drive home.

you + I = same page

[chinsterr]

Blackaccord is a friend of mine. So yes, I can vouch for him. I can also vouch that his car puts almost all the mazdas on this board to shame.

Sorry RR

[RedRaptor]

Blackaccord is a friend of mine. So yes, I can vouch for him. I can also vouch that his car puts almost all the mazdas on this board to shame.

Sorry RR

Nothing to be sorry about, Drew. Doesn't change the fact that 33 out of 33 of his posts are related to promoting NextMod in some way.

[chinsterr]

Nothing to be sorry about, Drew. Doesn't change the fact that 33 out of 33 of his posts are related to promoting NextMod in some way.

I think it`s just a coincidence.

Trust me, he is FAR from being a next mod fanboy.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Nothing to be sorry about, Drew. Doesn't change the fact that 33 out of 33 of his posts are related to promoting NextMod in some way.

Maybe he's just a really big fan of good prices and 'in-stock' parts? :chuckle

As for the poll vote. I say leave the rules as they are, but RR, I do very much see your point that sometimes the blatant posting from sponsors (not only Nextmod) has been a little over the top at times. Personally, I just ignore it and keep reading and chalk it up to rights of sponsorship and doing business. I know where and who I need to go too should I need stuff for my cars, so I don't get upset about it.

[Fobio]

I can also vouch that his car puts almost all the mazdas on this board to shame.

is that necessary? got something to prove?

what does that mean? that he can say whatever he wants? or that anybody can say what they want cuz they have a PERCEIVED sense of superiority?...get the **** outta here....

I technically have a car that can be said to be better than 80% of the cars on this board...and that's not counting the cars my family has...so-the-****-what? who the **** cares what he drives...he can take his blackaccord and shove it into a tree for all I care...

you vouching for him only makes him a PERSON, nothing more...

btw, funny that a person who drives a car that puts all mazdas to shame will come on to a...wait for it...Mazda board...I call those guys douchebags who can only achieve a sense of accomplishment by talking down to ppl...

[Garu]

I guess this is not a good place to talk about my rims and lug nuts?

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

is that necessary? got something to prove?

what does that mean? that he can say whatever he wants? or that anybody can say what they want cuz they have a PERCEIVED sense of superiority?...get the **** outta here....

I technically have a car that can be said to be better than 80% of the cars on this board...and that's not counting the cars my family has...so-the-****-what? who the **** cares what he drives...he can take his blackaccord and shove it into a tree for all I care...

you vouching for him only makes him a PERSON, nothing more...

btw, funny that a person who drives a car that puts all mazdas to shame will come on to a...wait for it...Mazda board...I call those guys douchebags who can only achieve a sense of accomplishment by talking down to ppl...

Hey!!! You saying your farking car is better than mine???!!! Who the fark do you think you are, anyway??? :chuckle


you vouching for him only makes him a PERSON, nothing more...btw, funny that a person who drives a car that puts all mazdas to shame will come on to a...wait for it...Mazda board...I call those guys douchebags who can only achieve a sense of accomplishment by talking down to ppl...


Well said Fobio. Bravo

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

I guess this is not a good place to talk about my rims and lug nuts?

Sure...but I bet you my nuts (lug) are bigger than yours and put all other Mazda drivers nuts (lug) to shame.

[JonsMazda]

lol this topic is about sponsors and their ads, since when it turned into whose lug nuts are bigger.... :chuckle

[S.F.W.]

the mod has reviewed this thread, and the comments and suggestions received. We do not feel Peter's actions violated the spirit of our rules. We will continue to keep an eye on things, and if any member has an issue with a posts or posts in any thread, feel free to PM a mod you see online or use the report post button.

Thank you.