Replacement Mazdaspeed Engine

[Skyhigh]

Hey fellow MS3 owners,

Has anyone else had their Mazdaspeed 3 engine replaced due to a manufacture defect?

[Fobio]

hope this gets interesting.

personally, I know of at least a couple...

:pop

[Gizzmo_jr]

hope this gets interesting.

personally, I know of at least a couple...

:pop

+1, there both logging in now to post

[Fobio]

*crickets*

as expected...

[Unoriginalusername]

we know who you are

[MPS]

lol
i got $50 fobio is next in line with in 7 weeks

[Fobio]

lol
i got $50 fobio is next in line with in 7 weeks

Lol. Nothing about my car is anything like yours.

[Unoriginalusername]

Lol. Nothing about my car is anything like yours.

other than the fact its the exact same car :chuckle

[MPS]

good point :chuckle
so ur next


other than the fact its the exact same car :chuckle

[Unoriginalusername]

good point :chuckle
so ur next

not likely

[MPS]

i was talking about Fobio
unless you think ur MZ5 is next in line
:gone



not likely

[spd frk]

Not sure about replacement but I may be next to blow. I was tweaking my 104 map last night and I noticed at 19psi of boost from 5000-6700rpm in 3rd gear only my fuel pressure dropped to 780PSI. Time to redo my map.

[Unoriginalusername]

i was talking about Fobio
unless you think ur MZ5 is next in line
:gone

very well could be lol

[mleblond]

Yeah, Fobio, ur on my list too!

[Fobio]

Yeah, Fobio, ur on my list too!

lol...well, after you sir...

oh wait...:chuckle

[mleblond]

lol...well, after you sir...

oh wait...:chuckle

lol my point exactly...

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

You should have all bought a WRX 265 instead...

Oh, wait....:chuckle

[Unoriginalusername]

You should have all bought a WRX 265 instead...

Oh, wait....:chuckle

hahahahhahahaha

[Skyhigh]

Hmmm, I guess it seems I'm the only one to have a stock (yes, my car is stock) to blow an engine and seize.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Hmmm, I guess it seems I'm the only one to have a stock (yes, my car is stock) to blow an engine and seize.

Wow, so sorry to hear... Not many stock engines have blown. You might be the first. I'm also running stock BTW.

Can you detail when the engine seized (during WOT or otherwise) and what they say is wrong with it specifically?

[WhiteSpeed3]

i dont know whos next but im prob close to going lol im starting to hate these cars lol

[Fobio]

Hmmm, I guess it seems I'm the only one to have a stock (yes, my car is stock) to blow an engine and seize.

Sorry to hear man...please tell us as much as you can/feel like.

From "seize", do you mean seized engine due to oil starvation? Manufacturing defect meaning something like a clogged oil path?
Spun crank shaft bearing?

[Skyhigh]

Dealership said that coolant was leaking into the engine through a hole, which caused the engine to seize.

[MPS]

lol same here 2008.5 just blew one 3 weeks ago stock
getting the car back this week



Hmmm, I guess it seems I'm the only one to have a stock (yes, my car is stock) to blow an engine and seize.

[Fobio]

Dealership said that coolant was leaking into the engine through a hole, which caused the engine to seize.

sounds like an actual busted block, unlike the usual bent rods or exploding pistons.

[Pilzz]

My count that i know of is 5 (including myself). I wonder who will be next LOL

[Unoriginalusername]

My count that i know of is 5 (including myself). I wonder who will be next LOL

everyone... sooner or later :chuckle

[MPS]

Pillz already had his share of the pie :chuckle
i vote

Fobio
CTA
me again the red car this time :chuckle


everyone... sooner or later :chuckle

[alhope34]

Pillz already had his share of the pie :chuckle
i vote

Fobio
CTA
me again the red car this time :chuckle

Welcome back.



I may be close too, 63,500kms on motor and original turbo. I just put my midpipe in last week end. Really loud and smells like a lawnmower now. :)

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

lol same here 2008.5 just blew one 3 weeks ago stock
getting the car back this week

You blew another one? What, the white MS3 this time? Did the SU mounts disintegrating have anything to do with it eventually blowing?

[mleblond]

white one is stock....

[-cj-]

Not the thread I wanted to stumble upon! OP, this hole... was it a one off / someone having a bad day at the factory, or part of something larger?

Man shit like this makes me want to jump ship before my engine blows. My dealership is pretty cool with me, but I bet that would be put to a quick end if something major blew up.

[Fobio]

Not the thread I wanted to stumble upon! OP, this hole... was it a one off / someone having a bad day at the factory, or part of something larger?

Man shit like this makes me want to jump ship before my engine blows. My dealership is pretty cool with me, but I bet that would be put to a quick end if something major blew up.

dude, no MS3 blows at WOT...so you know, just drive accordingly...lol...:gone

[mleblond]

dude, no MS3 blows at WOT...so you know, just drive accordingly...lol...:gone


And don't slow down!!!!!

[-cj-]

LOL... I already drive that way, so I guess I'm safe! Btw slightly off topic, how are the CC contents??

[Unoriginalusername]

And don't slow down!!!!!

Officer: Excuse me sir, do you want to explain to me why you chose to street race me off the line?
MS3 owner: Because the street racing fine costs less than a new motor.
Officer: What?
MS3: You see officer, if I drive slow my engine will explode so technically the safe thing to do is to drive WOT all the time.

[WhiteSpeed3]

Officer: Excuse me sir, do you want to explain to me why you chose to street race me off the line?
MS3 owner: Because the street racing fine costs less than a new motor.
Officer: What?
MS3: You see officer, if I drive slow my engine will explode so technically the safe thing to do is to drive WOT all the time.

HAHA good excuse

[MPS]

well mine when @ a red light so yaa what ever works:bang

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

well mine when @ a red light so yaa what ever works:bang

Vlad, what did they say was the cause?

[mleblond]

Vlad, what did they say was the cause?

Improper way to drive....should always be on WOT.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Improper way to drive....should always be on WOT.

Ha, ha, ha, ha... Just like the MSF You Tube Epic Fail vid. LMFAO.

Sorry to hear though...

[Skyhigh]

FYI...there are only 2 replacement Speed3 engines in North America (California) at the moment. I got one of them. So if you blow an engine...you may have to wait a very long time to get one.

[RX9]

hope this gets interesting.

personally, I know of at least a couple...

:pop

i knew 4 of them.:pop

[Nabster]

this list is really encouraging, someone should send a big list to mazda of all the motors that popped!

[mleblond]

this list is really encouraging, someone should send a big list to mazda of all the motors that popped!

and make sure they have no warranty left either!!!

[Fobio]

all MS3's with smoking turbos: Mid-day lunch meet @ Mazda HQ...

just leave your cars idling by the front door...

[Skyhigh]

Update:

Well new engine arrived at the dealership (tall block...thank goodness). Engine looks so tiny without the exhaust/ turbo, tranny, etc... (which will be transferred over to new engine).

I was told there was a catastrophic failure in the number 3 cylinder (They don't know what happened yet, but will probably open the engine later. You can see the fallen valve down the spark plug hole).

I have to say the Service Manager was very friendly and helpful in explaining the whole situation. He was great to deal with!

[oneurt]

glad to here they replaced it and that they have been helpful. hopefully nothing else goes wrong from here on out.

[craigrodrigues88]

What dealerships are you folks dealing with? After my experience with Ontario Mazda I will never be taking my car there for work

[3DEE]

What dealerships are you folks dealing with? After my experience with Ontario Mazda I will never be taking my car there for work

I bought my speed 3 at Ontario. What was the issue with them?

[Skyhigh]

Update:

Due to the 'catastrophic failure' in the engine, the metal filings from the engine damaged the turbo, intake, cat, etc.. (other parts I can't remember). These too will be replaced.

[zoomzoom33]

^^ how many kms did you have when the engine quit on you?

[Skyhigh]

^^ how many kms did you have when the engine quit on you?

I believe just over 20,000km

[Fobio]

thanks for the updates on the heart transplant!

on another note, a MS3 on MSF blew using flat foot shifting...but that car has been running lean @ WOT.

[mleblond]

ur next fobio!

[theurgy]

What's this talk about blowing engines... are you guys serious?
I mean I'm at 40K and really I don't see myself blowing an engine anytime soon.

[alhope34]

What's this talk about blowing engines... are you guys serious?
I mean I'm at 40K and really I don't see myself blowing an engine anytime soon.

I think every MS3's engine will blow sooner or later. No word of a lie, just give it time. If mine blows once my finance is done I'm going to build it proper with a cast block, or have it sitting on wood for a while to save for an LSx swap and RWD conversion.

[mleblond]

...or have it sitting on wood for a while to save for an LSx swap and RWD conversion.

Are you serious dude? u didnt just say that :loco

[alhope34]

Are you serious dude? u didnt just say that :loco

With money anything is possible. If I have a cheap DD by then, which I will if finance is done, then why not? Let it sit a year so I can save. I'm really wishing now that I just bought a cheap, reliable car and a bike to go along with it.


Just imagine someone lifting the hood of a little Mazda station wagon and seeing this...

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9306102/hrdp_0705_04_z+1966_chevrolet_chevelle_LS7_engine+ new_LS7_engine.jpg

[5_Alive]

Hey, they have a conversion for the Focus for a V-8, and people stuff them into Miata's all day long. Why not an MS3? That would be so f'ing wicked..

On a side note, good stuff they are replacing everything; don't complain there! lol.. you get to break-in everything all over again!

Also, I'm glad I bought the 6/160 MAP. If shit breaks, fix it.. its that simple.
Of all the blown motors I hear stories of, it seems 95% have modifications.
Whatever, Mazda will learn when the new MS3 sells half the number the 1st gen did. Then they will be forced to change everything for the 3rd gen.

[Skyhigh]

Another Update:

So yesterday everything was put back together and I got the car back. Car ran smooth. I was happy!

Unfortunately, this morning I was not. I started the car this morning but it ran rough. As I drove out, it stalled (blocking traffic on my street). Managed to restart the car. Ran really rough and engine light came on. Decided to get it towed to dealership.

[Fobio]

thx for the update Jeremy.

I can appreciate the frustration bro! :bang:complain:flaming

[Skyhigh]

Well, I managed to take some quick pic's from the original engine that blew.

This is how it should look like (from one of the good cylinders)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t46/Canadiancoconut/Mazdaspeed3/20090817_Good.jpg

This is NOT how it should look like (from one of the bad cylinders)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t46/Canadiancoconut/Mazdaspeed3/20090817_NotSoGood.jpg

Notice in this cylinder that there's something missing in cylinder #3
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t46/Canadiancoconut/Mazdaspeed3/20090817_Bad.jpg

Top view from cylinder #3 (you are not suppose to see anything down the sparkplug hole...but in this case you can slightly see something
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t46/Canadiancoconut/Mazdaspeed3/20090817_Top.jpg

[Skyhigh]

After car went back to dealership, found out that the problem was an injector. Waiting for new one to be installed

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

After car went back to dealership, found out that the problem was an injector. Waiting for new one to be installed

So it wasn't coolant leaking into the engine through a 'hole' then as they originally told you?

[TheMAN]

Update:

Due to the 'catastrophic failure' in the engine, the metal filings from the engine damaged the turbo, intake, cat, etc.. (other parts I can't remember). These too will be replaced.
I'm really surprised they ordered just a long block instead of a complete crate engine... there was an ms6 here that blew up due to "unknown reasons" :chuckle and a complete crate engine was ordered per mazda DSM instructions... just to be safe that nothing else got messed up... hell, the turbo that was on there was practically new

the crate engine comes with EVERYTHING... spark plugs, coil packs, sensors, turbo/exh mani, intake mani, oil filter, oil cooler

well because of that, the original oil cooler from that ms6 lives on in my 3 :)
surprisingly, there were no metal shavings in it when I flushed the cooler out too

[TheMAN]

After car went back to dealership, found out that the problem was an injector. Waiting for new one to be installed
I've seen the #3 injectors go bad on these engines, a lot of them CX-7s... but this is the first time I heard where it got stuck open and flooded the cylinder!

[-cj-]

I'm only speculating here --- but I bet Mazda ordered dealerships to replace entire engines with crate engines for two reasons: 1) the most obvious one, it's faster and less work involved to get the car up and running. 2) this allows the engine to be shipped back to Mazda for evaluation to figure out what broke. If they stopped caring about returning the entire engine as a whole, maybe they know what causes these engines to break now and no longer need to analyize broken motors? Again, speculation....

[Booostin]

So whats the update on this? Anyone elses motor go after all these years?

[Mr Wilson]

Always hear of a couple still going, normally on MSF (bigger base to go with). Think most of the 'secrets' to our platform have come out and failures tend to be from those who don't take the proper precautions, i.e. heavy bolt ons, but no hpfp.

We know the fuels, oils, issues with the PCV system, service intervals, etc, etc to use so the cars are just running better overall.

[terapr0]

if you're going to replace the engine, best to go with something manly

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Pagani_Zonda_F_engine_(AMG_V12_7.3l)2.jpg

[Sean80]

^ that would make a speed3 move!