Guess who got a ticket??

[FoXy]

LOL So who saw me pulled over on the 401 this morning by some :AH cop?? 401 westbound express at like McCowan...

Apparently he didn't like that I was following him too closely... but I mean come on.... its RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC!!!! Everyone follows closely! So he gave me a following too closely ticket... 4 points

I knew he was gonna pull me over when he pulled off and then pulled in behind me... argggg!!!

Im gonna fight it.... worst case I gotta pay it anyways... FML!!!!

What a way to start off my day!!! lol

I snapped this of the guy after... just to have a memory in case I see him again lol

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt281/kat_b29/IMG00520.jpg

[mzkaye729]

How close were you to his car (approximately) and how much was your ticket ? If it were a car length away, I'd have argued it. Damn cops.

That's one thing I hate during rush hour -- when people follow too close... it's effing rush hour !! In that sense, I always try to drive a car length away during rush hour at all times. Because you never know what lies ahead... just to be on the safe side.

[FoXy]

I was prolli a car length away at least... I think he just was pissy cus I was following him... it was PURELY coincidental that we were changing lanes at the same time and going in the same direction... :complain

[Fuman]

bad mood + power trip?

[mzkaye729]

I was prolli a car length away at least... I think he just was pissy cus I was following him... it was PURELY coincidental that we were changing lanes at the same time and going in the same direction... :complain

Oh man, that's pure balls... what IS that !? Cops these days ... I hate cops (at least those that tend to abuse their authority).

[crystal8484]

He was not having a good morning apparently. I guess Tim Horton's screwed up his coffee...

WHY DIDN"T YOU SHOW ENOUGH BOOB to get out of it!???

Good luck with fighting it, it's always a tough one to predict on how it will go. Research on google, there are a few good sites with people who have fought that same ticket if you want to make a defense. I wouldn't care about paying the ticket, just get those points wiped out!!!!!!!!!

[FoXy]

Seriously, i just dont want the points...

I thought about hitting on him... but I didnt think it would work... he seemed like a dick... some young black guy with a stick up his ass... If I thought it would work I woulda done it for sure... Im not afraid to you what I got to my advantage lol :P

[optiklenz13]

that sucks.. i say fight it still, just to drop the points.. he was power tripping, that's all. LOL.

[mazdabetty]

Seriously, i just dont want the points...

I thought about hitting on him... but I didnt think it would work... he seemed like a dick... some young black guy with a stick up his ass... If I thought it would work I woulda done it for sure... Im not afraid to you what I got to my advantage lol :P

:whoa

That's pretty harsh. And it doesn't sound like a power trip at all.

You were probably following too closely... even in your pic it looks like you're still following too close. It's a highway, not a residential street. Regardless, it's an offense to follow too closely anywhere. If he really wanted to be a dick he would have slammed on his brakes causing you some major damage.

Lesson learned. (or apparently not according to your pic)

[FoXy]

Eff that... its bumper to bumper traffic... I left one car length... thats plenty. Its cut throat on the westbound 401 in the morning... I do what I gotta do to get to work... I am not leaving a crap load of space in between me and the guy ahead of me cus then every asshat cuts you off... and really... I dont enjoy being cut off in the morning... or ever for that matter.

[CanadaGTO]

Yet another case of the cops deciding for themselves what they can chose to charge or not:

Headway of motor vehicles, generally

158. (1) The driver of a motor vehicle or street car shall not follow another vehicle or street car more closely than is reasonable and prudent having due regard for the speed of the vehicle and the traffic on and the conditions of the highway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 158 (1).

[philipfreire]

He was trying to meet his quota for the week.

Fight it.

What evidence does he have that will withstand in court? None!

State you were a safe distance, morning rush hour on canada's busiest highway.

Judge will throw it out. It's all a monopoly to fund the government! :)

[Dan Da Man]

I love these monthly bash the police threads.. lets just copy and paste the one from last month, I'm sure it says the same things.

[FoXy]

pretty much I mean if we were going 110 then i would be much further back but you gotta be somewhat agressive in the morning or a 15 minute commute turns into a 45 minute commute

[aris]

Sucks....

[marvin24k]

Am so lucky my morning commute is 4 KM. I am not a fan of Rush hour HWY traffic for this reason.

[cwp_sedan]

That sucks! Definitely fight it. I guess anyone would be too close when traffic comes to a stop and then starts again anyway...lol

Hope this ticket disappears.

[BiG-ED]

that sucks
hope it gets dropped

[-cj-]

If you choose not to fight it yourself, I've got a great ticket guy..

[FoXy]

If you choose not to fight it yourself, I've got a great ticket guy..


Ya but how much is that going to cost me? I dont know if its even worth it...

[RedRaptor]

I love these monthly bash the police threads.. lets just copy and paste the one from last month, I'm sure it says the same things.

Seriously...its always the cops' fault. This is getting old. When I see a cop car, I stay away as far as possible.

[jonjon72]

It really comes down to the discretion of the officer. You seem to have gotten the short stick today.

Sorry to hear that. Fight the ticket and at least get the points removed. Those will kill your insurance.

[-cj-]

Ya but how much is that going to cost me? I dont know if its even worth it...


I think he normally charges $250+tax, but it could have gone up... Haven't used him in ages. PM me if you're interested. He will give you advice on whether you should fight it or not (He'll even ask you for the officer's name ;) wink wink, nudge nudge)

[MAZDA Kitten]

Thats effed. I had OPP on my ass during rush hour on the 403 yesterday AND he had a burnt out headlight.

[Chester_Lampwick]

I don't know. I'm pretty sure cops are just as lazy as everyone else. It'd have been easier for him not to pull you over, or not write a ticket. It seems likely you pulled some attitude, either before or after he pulled you over. Maybe you were put out because you were already running late. Not his fault, you could have left your house earlier...

You should try to fight it. You got much to win, nothing to lose. He probably won't show, unless he's in court for some other bigger charge for someone else.

[FoXy]

I don't know. I'm pretty sure cops are just as lazy as everyone else. It'd have been easier for him not to pull you over, or not write a ticket. It seems likely you pulled some attitude, either before or after he pulled you over. Maybe you were put out because you were already running late. Not his fault, you could have left your house earlier...

You should try to fight it. You got much to win, nothing to lose. He probably won't show, unless he's in court for some other bigger charge for someone else.

I wasnt late... lol... i just like to take the quickest route. I didnt even give him attitude... barely said anytthing.

[Chester_Lampwick]

I wasnt late... lol... i just like to take the quickest route. I didnt even give him attitude... barely said anytthing.

So it was your attitude. Cops probably like you to be all apologetic, or a little small talk :)

[-cj-]

So it was your attitude. Cops probably like you to be all apologetic, or a little small talk :)


And if she were apologetic and still got a ticket, the cop probably would have preferred she not say anything... :)

You never know with cops. The best thing you can do is not say anything and fight the ticket later. Okay, that's the second best thing you can do. The best thing you can do is throw it into reverse and drive into their car and claim they ran into you :chuckle

[JSI]

This is actually pretty annoying if you think about it.
You were in rush hour traffic. Are you driving dangerously close at that speed, sure doesn't seem that way. But where is this guy when you see people tailgatting at 140km/h??? See it all the time but this gets a damn ticket.

Jeremy

[sp3GT]

Seriously...its always the cops' fault. This is getting old. When I see a cop car, I stay away as far as possible.


That is exactly what I do too. I've got to the point where I take detours to completely avoid.

[FoXy]

i usually try to but in rush hour sometimes its hard to avoid it... he just kept stickin around

[mazda lover]

How close were you to his car (approximately) and how much was your ticket ? If it were a car length away, I'd have argued it. Damn cops.

That's one thing I hate during rush hour -- when people follow too close... it's effing rush hour !! In that sense, I always try to drive a car length away during rush hour at all times. Because you never know what lies ahead... just to be on the safe side.

one car length is not enough space but it depends how fast you are going. If its a cop in front back way off, change lanes just get away from him .... gees man

[SSmoked]

first off i would highly suggest u remove that picture of the cop car or block off the licence plates. that is a bad thing to do and could result in some charges. not to mention that officer could be on this fourm right now reing this very thread, and he could trace ur ip address and u can be in crap. if u have tm3 plates however.

to ur situation today about the ticket. there is no way 1 car lenght is a safe amount of space between u and a car infront of u. u should at least be 1.5-2 car lenghts away. and a cop car out of all things to tailgate. i guess its totaly ur fault lol

[mazda lover]

LOL So who saw me pulled over on the 401 this morning by some :AH cop?? 401 westbound express at like McCowan...

Apparently he didn't like that I was following him too closely... but I mean come on.... its RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC!!!! Everyone follows closely! So he gave me a following too closely ticket... 4 points

I knew he was gonna pull me over when he pulled off and then pulled in behind me... argggg!!!

Im gonna fight it.... worst case I gotta pay it anyways... FML!!!!

What a way to start off my day!!! lol

I snapped this of the guy after... just to have a memory in case I see him again lol

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt281/kat_b29/IMG00520.jpg

look at your picture, you still are too close, look at the cars in the passing lane, see how far apart they are, now see how far you are from the cop..if you were the same distance when he pulled you over thats the reason you got a ticket.
good luck

[Fuman]

look at your picture, you still are too close, look at the cars in the passing lane, see how far apart they are, now see how far you are from the cop..if you were the same distance when he pulled you over thats the reason you got a ticket.
good luck
we've no idea how fast they are going though

[coursol]

One no such thing as quota anymore back in the 70 yes they had a quota for performance apraisals that is it. If we had a quota then anyone going 120 on 400 or 401 or 402. we would meet that quota in the first 3 hours. there was a blitze last month with summer travel about getting those people who follow to close. yes we have blitzes were we will concentrate on certain things. Usually just before school its speeding in school zones. drinking and driving during holidays. although i dont live in toronto i do drive through there more then i would like. As for snapping a plated picture yes there is no real fine you would get it off there becuase now you can get a tickit for driving with an handheld device (unsafe driving) and second you are to close. (i wont tell on you.) Also if you are thinking of fighting. i am not sure if the opp that pulled you over has dash cams or not. more then likely he does and they keep the tape for usually 1 month. Also not sure if you know this but police get a day off to attened court were all there tickets that are going to be faught. if they show or not will be a crap shoot. (that why ticket guys ask who the officer is)

[JMAK74]

If the left lane from FoXy29 was going 100km/h and everyone (including cop and FoXy29) were going 5 km/h or vice versa - it appear in this picture, that FoXy29 is following to closely.

[towelsnap]

^ think the pic was taken after the ticket... sorry Foxy29 about the ticket... must of seen ya and wanted to pull you over and get your name lol jk

[JMAK74]

^ think the pic was taken after the ticket... sorry Foxy29 about the ticket... must of seen ya and wanted to pull you over and get your name lol jk

My bad... got to stop working so late in the office....

Fight it FoXy29!!!

[mazdabetty]

That's the point... she was probably even closer than she is in the pic.. unless she's really smart and followed even closer AFTER getting a ticket... and isn't the cell phone ban in effect now anyway?

[towelsnap]

My bad... got to stop working so late in the office....

Fight it FoXy29!!!



lol no worries your not the only one :chuckle

[hatthi]

One no such thing as quota anymore back in the 70 yes they had a quota for performance apraisals that is it. If we had a quota then anyone going 120 on 400 or 401 or 402. we would meet that quota in the first 3 hours. there was a blitze last month with summer travel about getting those people who follow to close. yes we have blitzes were we will concentrate on certain things. Usually just before school its speeding in school zones. drinking and driving during holidays. although i dont live in toronto i do drive through there more then i would like. As for snapping a plated picture yes there is no real fine you would get it off there becuase now you can get a tickit for driving with an handheld device (unsafe driving) and second you are to close. (i wont tell on you.) Also if you are thinking of fighting. i am not sure if the opp that pulled you over has dash cams or not. more then likely he does and they keep the tape for usually 1 month. Also not sure if you know this but police get a day off to attened court were all there tickets that are going to be faught. if they show or not will be a crap shoot. (that why ticket guys ask who the officer is)

They actually get paid to show up in court. It's part of their job. So unless this cop has something more important to do he will be there. I'd hire a ticket guy and take it to court. If the ticket fighter is good they'll make a deal with the crown prior to the hearing and work something out. Good luck!!

[Fuman]

I thought the police department inform all officers know what the 'average' number of tickets is? In a sense, doesn't this serve as an unofficial quota. My source is a Toronto cop, not sure if OPP has the same system.

[coursol]

first off opp they dont do the ticket thing. Opp officers dont stay at just one office get bounced around the region were you are station. allows for rural area to have police. yes the 'cell phone ban" is being inforced more more now that as police officers now have the wording proper. Used to have to charge people under the dangerouse driving bit. the problem with the law for police is that they leave so many of them so open for interpritation that police have to use there judgement. ie tint window. they should give us a number like 35% but noooooo. Its up to us to decide. If you want to complain complain at the law makers. tell them to give police numbers so they dont have the power we do.
last thing foxy. if he was young 28 or so then he probably full of piss and vinigar trying to prove something. second when he was following you to pull you over it probably was not by chance. he was probably running you plates and was waiting to get a hit on something. as we are running you plates if you start to behave yourself like back off the person in front of you or slow down we dont usually pull you over. we have better things to do then give tickets. when you see us sitting on the side road we are not always looking for speeders. we go there just to slow things down for a bit and do alot of paper work. follow up on calls. that is why when some one breaks into your car you get calls now instead of police always showing up.

[FLIPDADY]

[QUOTE=SSmoked;487439]first off i would highly suggest u remove that picture of the cop car or block off the licence plates. that is a bad thing to do and could result in some charges. not to mention that officer could be on this fourm right now reing this very thread, and he could trace ur ip address and u can be in crap. if u have tm3 plates however.
/QUOTE]
+1

Now if the OPP vehicle was parked I think it's okay to snap a pic.

http://policecanada.policecanada.org/Canada/Ontario/OPP/OPPMASOP001_EDD.jpg

[em3]

yeah...i was in the collectors when i saw you. it was just before warden. saw you monday also and...damn your quick.

I thought you were going to get towed or something.

[wtom]

we have better things to do then give tickets. when you see us sitting on the side road we are not always looking for speeders. we go there just to slow things down for a bit and do alot of paper work. follow up on calls. that is why when some one breaks into your car you get calls now instead of police always showing up.

No wonder the other day I blew by a parked OPP cruiser on the 404 and knew for sure he'd be after me ... but nope. Thank God for paperwork :chuckle

Foxy, fight it!

[ShortBus]

fighting crime doesn't pay, especially for pay raises and the police helicopter that they want. there were articles in the papers a while ago that some officer let it slip that there are "perks" to writing tickets.

as for the dash cam, kind of hard to capture foxy29 following him too closely when the cam is pointed forward and she is behind him, don't you think?

when it comes to fighting the ticket, you could probably get the same deal as if you hired someone but it comes down to which is better/less costly for you; taking a day off work or paying someone to go to court for you.

lucky for me i'm going against the rush hour traffic for work.

[Flagrum_3]

That's the point... she was probably even closer than she is in the pic.. unless she's really smart and followed even closer AFTER getting a ticket... and isn't the cell phone ban in effect now anyway?

Cell phone ban is not in effect as of yet, I think it's next month.:)

But I have to agree she is following way too close in the picture....That also doesn't look much like rush hour!, geez there's hardly any cars!!

The mistake you made Foxy was following the OPP cruiser in particular, too close!! Always give them more space, if someone cuts in between you and the cop all the better lol....maybe they'll get the ticket. :)

Might as well fight it though, atleast try to get the points off, they'll kill your insurance.


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[FoXy]

If anyone drives on the westbound 401 in the morning you know how it is. It is slow from morningside to kennedy. In this pic we were prolli going about 40... It is briefly started to pick up but then slowed RIGHT back down to like 10... Thats when he pulled me over. Either way... I am gonna fight it cus I would rather pay a little more now then have it affect my insurance for 3 years or whatever it was.

P.s. I saw the SAME cop this morning at Warden have someone else pulled over lol

[mazda_gurl]

I used to drive WB on the 401 to Markham in the morning and she is right......it is very slow from Morningside onward.

The traffic looks unusually light for that hour, but again, its summer time. Next week it will be back to bumper to bumper......
I dont miss that commute!

Fight it, you have nothing to loose.

GL

[Junior]

Fight it and let us know how it goes.

[Fuman]

cellphone ban isn't in effect until october
http://fightyourtickets.ca/cell-phones-ban-effective-october-2009-on-ontarios-highways-streets-roads/

[mzkaye729]

If anyone drives on the westbound 401 in the morning you know how it is. It is slow from morningside to kennedy.

Oh my god, reminds me of what used to be my daily commute Mon-Fri to Centennial on Progress from Ajax... I was always late for class :whoa 8:30AM classes are the worst !

[2DXTRM]

the problem with the law for police is that they leave so many of them so open for interpritation that police have to use there judgement. ie tint window. they should give us a number like 35% but noooooo. Its up to us to decide. If you want to complain complain at the law makers. tell them to give police numbers so they dont have the power we do.



See thats one (of the many) thing that bothers me about police officers and the government.

Law Enforcement. To serve and protect.

The police officers should be complaining to their employer (government) that these written laws are making it difficult to do the job properly and for the employer to CLARIFY whats between those lines, and to give out the proper tools to do the job, should they be required.

The ability for police officers to "interpret" the laws at their own discretion clearly varies between the individual. You said it yourself, that you dont know exactly what the laws mean/saying.

Now instead of enforcing a law, they are allowed to make one up so to say (Example, the window tint %, and the "stunting/street racing laws").

The sticker on the police car fenders from now on, should be "To serve and collect".

[2DXTRM]

If anyone drives on the westbound 401 in the morning you know how it is. It is slow from morningside to kennedy.

Its like a clogged toilet in need of some Drain-O!

It always gets jammed up at Kennedy, then clears up. I guess its because of the Express to Collectors (right after Brimley, before the Kennedy exit) and the Collectors to Express (right after Kennedy), that gets everybody in a knot.

Same with Eastbound 401, just before Markham Rd, when the Express to Collectors and everybody and their uncle who was in the express needs to exit at Markham Rd.

[Flagrum_3]

Its like a clogged toilet in need of some Drain-O!

It always gets jammed up at Kennedy, then clears up. I guess its because of the Express to Collectors (right after Brimley, before the Kennedy exit) and the Collectors to Express (right after Kennedy), that gets everybody in a knot.

Same with Eastbound 401, just before Markham Rd, when the Express to Collectors and everybody and their uncle who was in the express needs to exit at Markham Rd.

Don't just blame the hi-way design, it's the morons who wait to the last minute & exchange to get off at thier exit from the express or the morons who get on the hi-way and feel they need to get over to the express immediately that cause all the problems....If people used common sense, planned ahead properly and drove properly there would be much less conjestion!!.....It almost seems to me that the driver training people get today covers very little when it comes to proper hi-way etiquette......or their just STUPID! :headbang


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[howes]

FoXy29:

Some friendly advice for you.

1. How was the distance measured from behind his police car???? Side mirrors are convex so objects will appear closer. Did he use those to gauge the distance?????

2. The rear view mirror may also distort distance especially when the screen behind him is in the way, catch my drift.

It's much easier to watch another vehicle following to close with another vehicle.

PS. I'm more than happy to let the cat out of the bag.....Ive been a police officer for over 10 yrs. 8 of those have been specialized squads, so I rarely do traffic stuff unless the person is a real idiot!

Cheers

[cwp_sedan]

FoXy29:

Some friendly advice for you.

1. How was the distance measured from behind his police car???? Side mirrors are convex so objects will appear closer. Did he use those to gauge the distance?????

2. The rear view mirror may also distort distance especially when the screen behind him is in the way, catch my drift.

It's much easier to watch another vehicle following to close with another vehicle.

PS. I'm more than happy to let the cat out of the bag.....Ive been a police officer for over 10 yrs. 8 of those have been specialized squads, so I rarely do traffic stuff unless the person is a real idiot!

Cheers

:pop

[howes]

Lol I have no clue what the little popcorn guy means!! I'm having a slow day

[cwp_sedan]

Lol I have no clue what the little popcorn guy means!! I'm having a slow day

It just means I enjoyed your suggestions for Foxy. Nice to see members help fellow members out, even if they are part of the opposition (in this case anyway) :)

[howes]

Ahh the opposition, lol!!! I enjoy offering suggestions to people since it's community policing at it best, er right!

What do you think foXy????

[fatsock]

Fight it...at the very least the judge will surely drop the amount.