2010 Mazdaspeed3 vs Genesis V6 Coupe

[jonjon72]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=157186

There are many good reasons why we're comparing the 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 and the Hyundai Genesis Coupe, two cars that seem so different in style and purpose. Really, there are. Among them is the fact that both are tremendously popular with you, our readers.

You could say that Mazda's recently revised Mazdaspeed 3 — the second generation of Mazda's ass-kicking hatchback — needs a serious contender to challenge its utter dominance of our comparison tests.

And you could argue that the Genesis Coupe might just be that contender. By offering a rewarding mix of rear-wheel-drive handling, serious power and knockout styling, it's been blowing off the pricier competition in the sport coupe segment without so much as a labored breath. It's quick, it's gorgeous and it'll do powerslides that would make Bo Duke jealous. And as rear-drive coupes go, its affordable pricing is unmatched.

You could say all of that, but you'd be wrong.

The real reason is much simpler. The real reason we're comparing these two unlikely contenders is that both package the fun-to-drive thing in a reasonably priced machine that looks good and moves quickly.

In that vein, we've placed a full 50 percent of our scoring weight in this comparison test on price and performance (25 percent each). Fuel consumption, feature content and our subjective 28-point evaluation score make up 15 percent each. The remaining 5 percent is left to the editors' personal and recommended picks.

Which Genesis?
So the 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 and the 2010 Genesis Coupe it is. But which Genesis? Hyundai is pumping out this little coupe in two versions — the 2.0T, which is priced almost identically to the Mazda but can't match its performance, and the 3.8-liter V6 version, which matches the Mazda's performance but adds another $4,500 or so to the equation. In any contest where the driving matters most, we pick the car that's going to make the numbers. And that's exactly what we've done.

Our Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track comes with Hyundai's smooth-revving V6 cranking out 306 horsepower and 266 pound-feet of torque. Standard equipment includes a six-speed manual transmission, 19-inch wheels, four-piston Brembo brakes at all four corners and a Torsen limited-slip differential between the rear drive wheels. The whole package with an iPod cable and carpeted floor mats goes for $30,375.

Mazda's new bad boy is no slouch, however. Its turbocharged, direct-injected 2.3-liter inline-4 yields 263 hp and a tire-punishing 280 lb-ft of torque. There's a six-speed manual transmission and a limited-slip differential putting power to the front wheels. Including the Mazdaspeed Technology package — which adds a Bose audio system, six-disc CD changer, satellite radio and a compact navigation system — the Mazda totals $25,840.

Different but the Same?
Here are two cars that couldn't be more different in appearance and layout. Hatchback vs. coupe. Front-wheel drive vs. rear-wheel drive. Turbocharged inline-4 vs. normally aspirated V6. And certainly both go about their missions with decidedly different packaging. At 103.9 inches, the Mazda's wheelbase is more than 7 inches shorter than the Hyundai's — no small difference when it comes to changing direction quickly.

But let's not forget that there's a certain inherent value in rear-wheel drive. Even if it comes with a longer wheelbase, a higher cost and slightly more weight (220 pounds, in this case), the Hyundai coupe's dynamics cannot be duplicated in a car that is steering and driving the front wheels.

Still, Mazda packs a lot of punch into the Mazdaspeed 3 and not all of it is performance-related. There's no denying the utility of a four-door hatchback. Flop down the rear seat and you've got almost 43 cubic feet of cargo volume — enough to move, say, some furniture or that big-screen TV. You're not doing that with the Hyundai. Not to mention the fact that the Mazda's rear doors provide family-friendly levels of practicality.

What Matters
But the differences that matter, those that have every scoring editor leaning in favor of only one car, emerge clearly when you drive with purpose. It's then that Mazda's decision to supplement simple utility with sports car performance begins to matter. It's then that you recognize that its control feel is clearly superior and it's then that you realize its dynamic responses are measurably sharper.

Jump between the driver seats of the Mazda and Hyundai for a few runs on a fast road with smooth, open corners and you'll sense that the differences in dynamics are relatively benign. The hatchback is always a bit sharper, its reaction to input more immediate and its damping more controlled. But the Genesis hangs right in there, never embarrassing itself and always minding its manners. However, do the swap on a tight road with rough, off-camber corners and there's no denying which car is the sports car and which car has one wheel firmly in the camp of Grand Touring.

The Genesis dances around the fact that it's not a sports car with impressive grace. The stability of its long wheelbase is concealed remarkably well by the ability of the rear-drive chassis to respond to steering and throttle control. Its steering feel, which offers enough feedback to make prudent decisions at speed, will never match the Mazda's laser precision, however. And its damping is adequate, but only up to the last few tenths.

But keep this back-road exercise going very long and it doesn't matter how hard you drive the Genesis — the Mazda simply disappears into the distance.

Numbers Between the Words
Slamming gears in the Genesis on the hottest day of the year did yield another advantage of the rear-drive Genesis: It gets out of the hole. This test has produced the best acceleration we've seen yet from the Hyundai coupe, with 60 mph arriving in only 5.9 seconds (5.5 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). The car trips the quarter-mile trap in only 14.2 seconds at 98.2 mph, bettering the Mazda in both tests.

But not by much. With more torque and a power-to-weight advantage, the Mazda takes 0.36 fewer seconds to accelerate from 35-90 mph. It hits 60 mph in 6.3 seconds (6.0 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and stomps through the quarter-mile in 14.4 seconds at 99.2 mph.

Braking, usually a Mazda strong point in our tests, also fell in favor of the Hyundai. This car came to a halt from 60 mph in 119 feet (6 feet longer than the first 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 we tested), while the Hyundai needed only 114 feet. Neither car showed evidence of appreciable brake fade over multiple stops, but we're still less impressed with the feel of the Hyundai's Brembos than we'd like to be. After hard use, the Mazda's brakes lose some of their initial bite, but there's still ample effectiveness.

A comparison of fuel consumption is a wash. In mixed driving conditions, we observed 19.9 mpg in the Mazda and 19.3 mpg in the Genesis.

Wicked Rippin' Fast
Handling tests, however, fell in favor of the Mazda. At 71.1 mph, its slalom speed is almost 4 mph faster than the Hyundai's 67.2-mph performance. At 0.91g, the Mazda's lateral grip on the skid pad also upstages the Hyundai's 0.89g performance. And if you're a fan of using stability control as a safety net when driving quickly, the Mazda's system lets you drive the car far closer to its limits than the Hyundai's system, which intrudes more often and more aggressively.

Much of the handling story on these cars simply can't be told by the numbers — a consequence, largely, of the fact that the Mazda is so much more focused when going quickly than the Genesis. In the Hyundai you'll find a good rhythm on a back road and you'll be impressed by its balance, textbook handling and reasonable manners. But in the Mazda, you'll be in the zone, completely absorbed by the car's ability to cover ground at insane speed.

Better Inside
We didn't expect the considerably less expensive Mazda to offer interior quality and features on par with or exceeding the Hyundai's, but that's exactly what we found. From the driver seat, virtually everything you touch is of higher quality and feels better in the Mazda, notably the steering wheel, which looks and feels plasticky in the Genesis.

The Mazda offers dual-zone climate control as standard equipment, with knobs that have well-defined indexing. Single-zone climate control is standard on the Genesis and its temperature knob feels far less precise. Both these cars came equipped with 10-speaker premium audio systems — an optional 242-watt Bose system in the Mazda and standard Infinity system in the Genesis. We preferred the Mazda's audio interface, which offered three knobs to control its primary functions where the Genesis relied on one knob and buttons.

The Technology package also provides the Mazda with a compact navigation system. After some experience with the system, we found its screen too small to be useful in many situations, but it always had an advantage over the Hyundai, which lacks navigation altogether. Hyundai recently made touchscreen navigation available as a $1,000 option on the Genesis Coupe, which was introduced without it.

Leather upholstery is standard in the Hyundai and so are heated front seats, which aren't available in the Mazda.

Nevertheless, we prefer the Mazda's combination of leather seat trim with cloth seating surfaces because this combination holds us in place when we're driving quickly.

It's no secret that we love the Genesis Coupe's styling, and this car still manages to attract attention at the gas station some six months after its introduction. The Mazda's styling, despite working better in aggressive Mazdaspeed form than it does on the standard car, still leaves many shaking their heads. To us it looks a lot like Megan Fox if you catch her from the tattoo angle — you've just got to pick the right perspective to see its beauty.

The Right Angle
Increasingly, that perspective is from behind the wheel. Mazda's hyperactive hatch wins the fun-to-drive portion of this contest hands-down. Sure, it gives up a few tenths in acceleration, but the results are close enough that it would still be a driver's race at a stoplight drag race. Handling tests both go easily to the Mazda as well.

But the final nails in the coffin are price and practicality. With a $4,500 price gap to overcome, the 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 needs to dominate every other category to win this contest. And it did win the feature content segment of this comparison by offering heated seats, four-piston brakes, rear-wheel drive and less costly regular fuel — a nice bonus every time you hit the pump.

But those perks aren't enough to take down the ultra-sharp, hugely practical and wildly entertaining 2010 Mazdaspeed 3. And it would be obtuse to ignore the Mazda's practical advantages as an only car — which both of these machines will be for most buyers.

And that, friends, is why the Mazdaspeed 3 wins this comparison. Its credentials in kicking ass and taking names were well established before this contest and it's a better car now than it was before.

We'll add one more name to the list.

[silvermist99]

nice, another win for the mazda! waiting for the genesis coupe value to crash like the stock market so I can trade mine in for one :)

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

MS3 FTW, as always...:chuckle

[Unoriginalusername]

nice work, surprised that the ms3 didn't rip off a better number in the 0-60 and 1/4. edmunds always seems to have a hard time getting the ms3 going

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

nice work, surprised that the ms3 didn't rip off a better number in the 0-60 and 1/4. edmunds always seems to have a hard time getting the ms3 going

Yah, I think the best they ever pulled on the old gen MS3 was 5.9 in the 0 to 60, whereas almost every other auto review easily hit 5.7 with some as low as 5.5. Edmunds needs new drivers. :)

[Garu]

Well it IS a very hard car to launch.

[craigrodrigues88]

I actually find the new one easier to launch too after test driving it! So even though the same power I am very shocked that is the time that they came up with!

[Mazda3X2]

Way to go MS3.

I thought the Speed would post better times as well, but the trap speed was higher than the Genesis. So when it got moving, it was moving.

Good review.

[Darkfrosty7]

woot ms3 ftw

[Unoriginalusername]

I actually find the new one easier to launch too after test driving it! So even though the same power I am very shocked that is the time that they came up with!

225 vs. 215 tires

[MattC]

really? they actually compared these 2 cars? they aren't even in the same class.

[-cj-]

Wasn't there a reviewer that determined the 2010 MS3 was slower to 60, but the same 1/4 mile time as the 1st gen MS3? (But obviously with a higher trap speed). The new MS3 has a different tranny with taller gears I think.

[Unoriginalusername]

Wasn't there a reviewer that determined the 2010 MS3 was slower to 60, but the same 1/4 mile time as the 1st gen MS3? (But obviously with a higher trap speed). The new MS3 has a different tranny with taller gears I think.

the gear ratios are so small they only really compensate for the change in the tire diameter, so I think your rolling ratios are about identical.

The cause for the slower times seems to be the increased lag inbetween shifts

[zmtomako]

i just cant get over the new MS3's insane slalom speed

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

225 vs. 215 tires

This is true. I recently went from the stock rim and tire to the larger 225/40/R18 size on Enkei rims. Still not the easiest car to launch, but it does react better with the larger tires. However, stepping down to Falken 912's (they came with the rims) from the OEM Potenza's, I actually lose ability to put gobs of power down in 2nd gear and early 3rd gear when the real boost and torque start kicking in. It requires much more throttle modulation with the Falken's unless I just want to smoke the tires out. The Potenza's were much grippier in this regard than the wider Falken 912's. Normal cornering ability is about the same, as the wider Falken's afford about the same grip as the skinnier stock Potenza's in aggressive driving/cornering, but they don't have quite the same level of feedback and traction near the high end limit.

I won't be putting the Falken 912's back on my Speed once I wear these one's out. They're great tires for the regular MZ3 and I have them on the '05 hatch, but the MS3 simply overwhelms these tires if you are really driving the car hard. I will however, keep the tire size and simply find a better summer performance tire.

[Unoriginalusername]

This is true. I recently went from the stock rim and tire to the larger 225/40/R18 size on Enkei rims. Still not the easiest car to launch, but it does react better with the larger tires. However, stepping down to Falken 912's (they came with the rims) from the OEM Potenza's, I actually lose ability to put gobs of power down in 2nd gear and early 3rd gear when the real boost and torque start kicking in. It requires much more throttle modulation with the Falken's unless I just want to smoke the tires out. The Potenza's were much grippier in this regard than the wider Falken 912's. Normal cornering ability is about the same, as the wider Falken's afford about the same grip as the skinnier stock Potenza's in aggressive driving/cornering, but they don't have quite the same level of feedback and traction near the high end limit.

I won't be putting the Falken 912's back on my Speed once I wear these one's out. They're great tires for the regular MZ3 and I have them on the '05 hatch, but the MS3 simply overwhelms these tires if you are really driving the car hard. I will however, keep the tire size and simply find a better summer performance tire.

Hmm thats odd, i found they spinned slightly less than OEM and cornered slightly better. agree there are better performance tires for the ms3, but i would grip in third gear with them and when i went back to oem tires before part out i would spin from a roll at 80kmph in third.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Hmm thats odd, i found they spinned slightly less than OEM and cornered slightly better. agree there are better performance tires for the ms3, but i would grip in third gear with them and when i went back to oem tires before part out i would spin from a roll at 80kmph in third.

Almost the opposite here. Possibly because the Enkei rims are lighter than the OEM's that had the Potenza's on them?? Don't know for sure, other than what my car is transmitting back to me.

In any case, I can't put the same power down in 2nd at all. The Falken's just don't grab like the Potenza's did. 3rd gear is probably about the same, but it just felt marginally grippier with the Potenza's. I get a bit of wheel spin regardless if I mash it down at around 80kmph in 3rd. Have never really had wheel hop, except when wet. Just wheel spin.

Like I said, traction is about equal, although I like the Falken's better in the wet. However, when you really push the tires, the Falkens will give sooner than the Potenza's would have and they lose 'feel'. The Potenza's always told me just how far from the edge I was and if they were about to exceed it. More predictable in that regard.

[jonjon72]

really? they actually compared these 2 cars? they aren't even in the same class.

True they aren't in the same class but there have been quite a few Mazda3 drivers that thought about the jump to the Genesis. Plus, most people would have expected the Genesis to spank the Speed3.

[Unoriginalusername]

Almost the opposite here. Possibly because the Enkei rims are lighter than the OEM's that had the Potenza's on them?? Don't know, other than what my car is transmitting back to me.

In any case, I can't put the same power down in 2nd at all. The Falken's just don't grab like the Potenza's did. 3rd gear is probably about the same, but it just felt marginally grippier with the Potenza's. I get a bit of wheel spin regardless if I mash it down at around 80kmph in 3rd. Have never really had wheel hop, except when wet. Just wheel spin.

Like I said, traction is about equal, although I like the Falken's better in the wet. However, when you really push the tires, the Falkens will give sooner than the Potenza's would have and they lose 'feel'. The Potenza's always told me just how far from the edge I was and if they were about to exceed it. More predicatble in that regard.

Good call on the lighter weight wheels, that is probally the difference. Agree the tire is "ok" but i'd never buy it again for an ms3 application given the other choices available (not that i need to worry about that lol)

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

... Plus, most people would have expected the Genesis to spank the Speed3.

Not once you actually drive each of them. The Genesis is fun, especially the RWD, but I think Edmunds was being nice in their review. The cars aren't comparable at all. The MS3 is still miles ahead of the Genesis in terms of an overall performance vehicle. Go for a test drive back to back in each of them and push them a little. You'll soon see what I mean.

[bunchi]

MS3 :headbang

[jonjon72]

Not once you actually drive each of them. The Genesis is fun, especially the RWD, but I think Edmunds was being nice in their review. The cars aren't comparable at all. The MS3 is still miles ahead of the Genesis in terms of an overall performance vehicle. Go for a test drive back to back in each of them and push them a little. You'll soon see what I mean.


Oh I'm not arguing that fact. The average consumer would automatically think that the sports car with 300+ HP would come out on top. Too bad its weight is an issue.

[silvermist99]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2010/Hyundai/2010.hyundai.genesis%20coupe.20265044-E.jpg

omg hotness. anyone wants to trade their genesis for a BETTER HANDLING MS3????/ PM me :D:D

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/VEHICLE/2010/Hyundai/2010.hyundai.genesis%20coupe.20265044-E.jpg

omg hotness. anyone wants to trade their genesis for a BETTER HANDLING MS3????/ PM me :D:D

That's a really cute Tiburon. :chuckle

[Unoriginalusername]

they can be moded to handle apparently. Pikes peak new record, and apparently the turbo has already surpassed the max we've been able to develop... but at the end of the day its still a hyundai
http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1033749_genesis-coupe-sets-new-rwd-time-attack-record-at-pikes-peak
http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rmr_hyundai_genesis_coupe_red_bull_1.jpg
http://image.motortrend.com/f/motorsports/red-bull-drifter-hyundai-rhys-millen-partner-on-550-hp-genesis-coupe-for-09/17696925+cr1+re0+ar1/rmr-drift-hyundai-genesis-coupe-top-down-view.jpg

[Unoriginalusername]

HKS version
http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/17390286/130_0902_02_z+2010_hyundai_genesis_coupe+front_vie w.jpg
http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/14478830/130_0902_01_z+2010_hyundai_genesis_coupe+side_view .jpg
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hyundai-genesis-coupe_hks_01.jpg

American tuning outfit Beyond Redline has had its way with the Theta donk, strapping on a bigger Garrett GT30 turbo, throwing in 600cc injectors and installing an AEM Fuel/Ignition Controller.

Running 16psi (just over 1bar) of boost, Beyond Redline managed 228kW (306hp) and 332Nm (245lb-ft) of torque on a Dynojet setup, with a later attempt delivering 256kW (344hp) at the rears.

For your reference, the Genesis Coupe’s standard output with the four-cylinder turbo is around 160kW (210hp) and 302Nm (223lb-ft) at the flywheel.

Beyond Redline said it is working on advanced stages of the kit – as well as finalising the setup that achieved the above figures – and that 300kW (400hp) is next on the list of number and letter combos to match up with some squiggly lines.

[MattC]

The genesis is a car that looks great outside, but when you sit inside it, you feel like you were just transported to the 90's very bland very plastic, very boring.

thats why they gave it such a big turbo, if it didn't pull G's you would fall asleep at the wheel.

I was going to get one, till I sat inside.

[jonjon72]

Agreed, the interior pales in comparison to much of the competition but hopefully Hyundai follows Infinti's steps with the G35 to G37 and improves the fit, finish and quality.

For a first attempt from Hyundai, they did a very good job, but still have a few things to polish up before more people seriously consider purchasing a Genesis Coupe.

[craigrodrigues88]

225 vs. 215 tires

I have 235's on my car and I found it much easier to take off on the new car. I am pretty sure they changed the clutch to one that is much more forgiving more similar to the regular 3's

[condor888000]

Agreed, the interior pales in comparison to much of the competition but hopefully Hyundai follows Infinti's steps with the G35 to G37 and improves the fit, finish and quality.

For a first attempt from Hyundai, they did a very good job, but still have a few things to polish up before more people seriously consider purchasing a Genesis Coupe.

Yeah, but the top of the line Genesis costs ~$7G less than a base G37. And a base Genesis costs ~$20G less than the G37. I'll take the cheaper interior to save that sort of cash.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

I have 235's on my car and I found it much easier to take off on the new car. I am pretty sure they changed the clutch to one that is much more forgiving more similar to the regular 3's

You might be right, although I haven't driven the new Speed3 yet. The clutch in the old gen MS3 is very close to a pure racing clutch. Either on, or off. It takes time to get used to it for sure. It still farks me up when I drive the '05 MZ3 for a while and then get into my MS3. They are like night and day.

[jonjon72]

Yeah, but the top of the line Genesis costs ~$7G less than a base G37. And a base Genesis costs ~$20G less than the G37. I'll take the cheaper interior to save that sort of cash.


Your missing my point. After complaints on the G35 interior, Infiniti stepped up and fixed that problem. Hopefully Hyundai does the same. Its a matter of a manufacturer listening to some of the complaints and rectifying a problem.

[SL3VIN]

Check it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnEqyBofZzM&feature=popt02us07

[Thrizzl3]

HAHAHAHA burn "the mazdaspeed3 needs a serious challenger" Genesis FTL!!

[towelsnap]

way to spoil it Phil... *shakes fist*

[SSmoked]

WOW they tossed a 3.8l V6 RWD coupe against a turbo four FWD hatch and the mazda comes out the winner.
whats next throwing v8 pony cars at the speed3 lol

[SirWanker]

I would welcome a match between the 2010 Golf R vs 2010 Mazdaspeed 3.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

WOW they tossed a 3.8l V6 RWD coupe against a turbo four FWD hatch and the mazda comes out the winner.
whats next throwing v8 pony cars at the speed3 lol

Hopefully, it will beat many of those too.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

I would welcome a match between the 2010 Golf R vs 2010 Mazdaspeed 3.


Not the new models, but they already did something similiar for the previous gens. Any guess which car won?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdmrq8-2I4U

[SirWanker]

Not the new models, but they already did something similiar for the previous gens. Any guess which car won?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdmrq8-2I4U

I've seen that before but can't really compare with the 2010s, especially since the Golf R vs Mazdaspeed 3 HP are almost equal. Personally for this Canadian climate, I really like the 4wd....

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

I've seen that before but can't really compare with the 2010s, especially since the Golf R vs Mazdaspeed 3 HP are almost equal. Personally for this Canadian climate, I really like the 4wd....

It helps in the winter for sure. I'm not a big fan of AWD in the dry though.
I agree that a new comparison test between these 2 cars would be interesting. Maybe it will happen.

Do keep in mind that they will likely be in completely different price ranges too. The VW will be a shitload more expensive than the MS3 and would likely be better suited to compare against an STi or EVo.

[Dante]

So in the end the MS3 wins in traction and stability, Yet the other numbers Genesis wins? I thought this was a track race.

[-cj-]

So in the end the MS3 wins in traction and stability, Yet the other numbers Genesis wins? I thought this was a track race.


If they were talking about the 2.0T and it held it's ground like the 3.8L did, I'm sure it would be another story. They're talking about a car in a higher class with more power, not being able to keep it's footing on twisties. I still think they could have gotten a better launch in the MS3 (After all, I've seen 1st generation reviews that got better numbers...)

As for the track, based on this review, the MS3 should be faster around the track. (Based on the fact the Genesis couldn't keep up on twisties)

[Dante]

GAH:chuckle Who am I kidding, There is no way I can win this discussion in a mazda3 forum. Both very nice cars. Being that I own one..

[-cj-]

Hey I'm just commenting on the report... I actually love the look of the Genesis. I'm just disappointed about what the reviewer had to say about the handling. A buddy of mine has the 2.0T GT and it's a sexy car. The interior was meh and I totally was not impressed by the engine bay, but those are the only two negative things I had to say about the car. (I haven't been in it while on the road tho..)

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

So in the end the MS3 wins in traction and stability, Yet the other numbers Genesis wins? I thought this was a track race.

No. The only thing the Genesis did better was 0 to 60mph time. The MS3 beat it on traction, stability, cornering, price for performance etc. al. It basically smoked the Genesis on every other category in this test. If you've driven both, this will not surprise you.

To be honest, anyone who can drive an MS3 well, can easily beat a 6.3sec 0 to 60mph time recorded for the new gen MS3 and the 6.1 sec time for the V6 Genesis. The old gen MS3, even stock, will easily run 5.7 to 6.0 all day long with a driver who can launch it properly. The new gen MS3 is slower in the 0-60 due to extra weight and higher gearing.

[mazdabetty]

rrrreeeeeposssstttttt......


:RP:RP:RP:RP

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=37306

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

rrrreeeeeposssstttttt......


:RP:RP:RP:RP

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=37306

:yes master smiley:pervert sign

[mazdabetty]

:chuckle

[Thrizzl3]

MB loves cockmeat sandwiches...:gone

in before lock hahahaha

[-cj-]

No. The only thing the Genesis did better was 0 to 60mph time. The MS3 beat it on traction, stability, cornering, price for performance etc. al. It basically smoked the Genesis on every other category in this test. If you've driven both, this will not surprise you.

To be honest, anyone who can drive an MS3 well, can easily beat a 6.3sec 0 to 60mph time recorded for the new gen MS3 and the 6.1 sec time for the V6 Genesis. The old gen MS3, even stock, will easily run 5.7 to 6.0 all day long with a driver who can launch it properly. The new gen MS3 is slower in the 0-60 due to extra weight and higher gearing.


Actually, the Genesis beat the MS3 on 0-60 (I agree with what you said, the times can easily be reduced if they knew how to launch the MS3 properly --- It's a very hard car to launch), they beat it on the 1/4mile and it is able to stop sooner. Not surprising though, the Genesis they reviewed has 306hp vs the MS3's 263hp. It was .2 seconds slower on the 1/4 mile... Although the speed did the quarter mile in 14.4 which from my understanding, is a bit slow for the car.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Actually, the Genesis beat the MS3 on 0-60 (I agree with what you said, the times can easily be reduced if they knew how to launch the MS3 properly --- It's a very hard car to launch), they beat it on the 1/4mile and it is able to stop sooner. Not surprising though, the Genesis they reviewed has 306hp vs the MS3's 263hp. It was .2 seconds slower on the 1/4 mile... Although the speed did the quarter mile in 14.4 which from my understanding, is a bit slow for the car.

Yes, I just watched the review again, you are correct. It did beat the MS3 on the 1/4 mile and braking distance, but the MS3 had the faster speed at the 1/4 mile. Braking distance was peculiar. The old gen MS3 also stopped shorter than the new gen and would have beaten the Genesis in a braking comparison test.

All this said, test dive both and it will become readily apparent why Edmunds picked the MS3 easily in this comparison test.

[S.F.W.]

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[-cj-]

Yes, I just watched the review again, you are correct. It did beat the MS3 on the 1/4 mile and braking distance, but the MS3 had the faster speed at the 1/4 mile. Braking distance was peculiar. The old gen MS3 also stopped shorter than the new gen and would have beaten the Genesis in a braking comparison test.

All this said, test dive both and it will become readily apparent why Edmunds picked the MS3 easily in this comparison test.


The MS3 was still slower on the 1/4mile... MS3: 14.4 sec. Genesis: 14.2 sec. The MS3 had a faster trap speed though, so it'll eventually overtake the Genesis. =) As for braking, for some reason the MS3 they tested took 6 more ft to stop than the first 2010 MS3 they tested.

60-0 stopping distance: First gen MS3: 113 ft, Genesis 3.8 Coupe: 114 (With 4 piston brembos!), 1st 2010-MS3 they tested: 113 ft, the 2010-MS3 used for this review: 119 ft

There's actually a lot of things that the MS3 scored better on that they didn't mention in the video. Here's the full review:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=157186

[Dante]

In all fairness, It's a review. One persons opinion VS all of TM3 and my self. I cant expect positive answers on this thread about a genesis . Had it been compared to another car besides a MS3. Would be a diffrent thread entirely. I personally dont care, I'm happy with what I drive ALTHOUGH I do miss my mazda 3 terribly. Which is why I'm still with TM3.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

In all fairness, It's a review. One persons opinion VS all of TM3 and my self. I cant expect positive answers on this thread about a genesis . Had it been compared to another car besides a MS3. Would be a diffrent thread entirely. I personally dont care, I'm happy with what I drive ALTHOUGH I do miss my mazda 3 terribly. Which is why I'm still with TM3.

Hey Dante, just to be clear, I wasn't trying to knock the Genesis and your choice of ride. I've actually recommended the car to several people who are shopping and I enjoyed my test drives in them. Hopefully Hyundai will only make the car better in each subsequent model year.

I was simply only commenting on the comparison test since I have actually driven the old gen MS3, the new gen MS3 and the V6 and turbo Genesis. The MS3 and Genesis are very, very different cars, but if your bias is towards performance, then the Genesis does lag behind somewhat. The MS3 and the old gen MS3 in particular, are very, very high strung cars. There is nothing subtle or GT like about them, although the new gen MS3 is a softer, more gentle version... I remember when I first got my MS3, someone with a regular MZ3 asked me to describe it and I said it was like an MZ3 pumped up on steroids and addicted to crystal meth. The car is simply manic at times when you drive it hard. Personally, I love that driving aspect of the MS3, but it isn't for everyone... The Genesis is a much more sedate place to be in the drivers seat, but the down side of that, is that the car itself drives and handles more sedately too.

They are both very good cars for different reasons, but yah, if you're pitting them against each other like Edmunds did as a 'performance per dollar' test, than the Genesis does end up being smoked badly by the MS3. In that regard, it joins pretty good company cause the MS3 has won every comparison test to date.

[Rob23]

they are both nice cars, but way too expensive. i wouldn't spend that kind of money on a front wheel drive car, also its too expensive for a hyundia. id just save up another 4-5 grand and buy the new 370Z.

[Rob23]

front wheel drive cars can only have so much power. accelerating out of corners the genesis would fly, ms3 would deffinatly loose in that. its just too much pressure on the front tires to accelerate and turn the car at the same time. if they made a ms3 rear wheel drive then it would be a totally different story, domination.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

front wheel drive cars can only have so much power. accelerating out of corners the genesis would fly, ms3 would deffinatly loose in that. its just too much pressure on the front tires to accelerate and turn the car at the same time. if they made a ms3 rear wheel drive then it would be a totally different story, domination.

In theory, that is somewhat correct. Obviously a FWD car has limitations to how much traction it can put down in turns. That said, the same could be said about RWD and even AWD. They all have their specific thresholds of traction and that is where suspension set-up and tires come into play. That is also where a driver comes into play who understands that taking a high powered FWD car into a turn is a completely different thing than doing the same with a RWD or AWD vehicle. The point at which you are off the throttle, utilize your brake (if necessary) and then back on throttle, vary greatly.

If it is true that the Genesis can put down more power into the turns, which by the way, it is not because its suspension lets it down every time, than the Genesis would not have lost every one of the tests that were handling and traction based. For instance, the slalom speed and lateral grip tests for example.

In the end, yes, FWD does limit the car to an extent, but it will still come down to suspension set-up and tires regardless of drive-train.

To simply say a FWD car can't beat a RWD or AWD car around a track is non-sensical. The MS3 has already proven repeatedly in many comparison tests against other high powered FWD, AWD and RWD cars, that a high powered FWD car can quite easily do this.

[Unoriginalusername]

In theory, that is somewhat correct. Obviously a FWD car has limitations to how much traction it can put down in turns. That said, the same could be said about RWD and even AWD. They all have their specific thresholds of traction and that is where suspension set-up and tires come into play. That is also where a driver comes into play who understands that taking a high powered FWD car into a turn is a completely different thing than doing the same with a RWD or AWD vehicle. The point at which you are off the throttle, utilize your brake (if necessary) and then back on throttle, vary greatly.

If it is true that the Genesis can put down more power into the turns, which by the way, it is not because its suspension lets it down every time, than the Genesis would not have lost every one of the tests that were handling and traction based. For instance, the slalom speed and lateral grip tests for example.

In the end, yes, FWD does limit the car to an extent, but it will still come down to suspension set-up and tires regardless of drive-train.

To simply say a FWD car can't beat a RWD or AWD car around a track is non-sensical. The MS3 has already proven repeatedly in many comparison tests against other high powered FWD, AWD and RWD cars, that a high powered FWD car can quite easily do this.

the Veyron has 1000hp and 27% of that is fixed to the front wheels... seems to turn fine since it has the same 270hp going to its turning wheels as well

[JSI]

the Veyron has 1000hp and 27% of that is fixed to the front wheels... seems to turn fine since it has the same 270hp going to its turning wheels as well


How does that even fit in the conversation?

Every drive train has its good aspects and it's negative aspects. To me I don't think these cars are going to appeal to the same people. The MS3 is a hot hatch, the Genesis is going for more of a GT tourer type customer. Like saying well a Veyron is super fast so it is better than an Elise, more extreme in that case but same principle.

Jeremy

P.S. I'm sure the 730hp going to the back wheels could help it rotate in a turn.

[Unoriginalusername]

How does that even fit in the conversation?

Every drive train has its good aspects and it's negative aspects. To me I don't think these cars are going to appeal to the same people. The MS3 is a hot hatch, the Genesis is going for more of a GT tourer type customer. Like saying well a Veyron is super fast so it is better than an Elise, more extreme in that case but same principle.

Jeremy

P.S. I'm sure the 730hp going to the back wheels could help it rotate in a turn.

One day you'll see the irony of a completely irrelevant car being compared to a car test between two irrelevant cars known by some people as humour

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

the Veyron has 1000hp and 27% of that is fixed to the front wheels... seems to turn fine since it has the same 270hp going to its turning wheels as well

Yo James.

I’m really happy for you,
And Ima let you finish…

But Rodney Dangerfield had some of the most irrelevant humour of ALL TIME!!!
All TIME!!!!

[Unoriginalusername]

Yo James.

I’m really happy for you,
And Ima let you finish…

But Rodney Dangerfield had some of the most irrelevant humour of ALL TIME!!!
All TIME!!!!

1. I was so poor growing up ... if I wasn't a boy... I'd have had nothing to play with.

2. A girl phoned me the other day and said, "Come on over; nobody's home. I went over. Nobody was home.

3. During sex, my girlfriend always wants to talk to me. Just the other night she called me from a hotel .

4. One day I came home early from work ... I saw a guy jogging naked. I said to the guy, "Hey buddy, why are you doing that?"
He said "Because you came home early."

5. It's been a rough day. I got up this morning ... put a shirt on and a button fell off. I picked up my briefcase, and the handle came off. I'm afraid to go to the bathroom.

6. I was such an ugly kid...When I played in the sandbox, the cat kept covering me up.

7. I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and radio.

[Dante]

1. I was so poor growing up ... if I wasn't a boy... I'd have had nothing to play with.

2. A girl phoned me the other day and said, "Come on over; nobody's home. I went over. Nobody was home.

3. During sex, my girlfriend always wants to talk to me. Just the other night she called me from a hotel .

4. One day I came home early from work ... I saw a guy jogging naked. I said to the guy, "Hey buddy, why are you doing that?"
He said "Because you came home early."

5. It's been a rough day. I got up this morning ... put a shirt on and a button fell off. I picked up my briefcase, and the handle came off. I'm afraid to go to the bathroom.

6. I was such an ugly kid...When I played in the sandbox, the cat kept covering me up.

7. I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and radio.

:hijack smiley:hijack smiley

[Rob23]

In theory, that is somewhat correct. Obviously a FWD car has limitations to how much traction it can put down in turns. That said, the same could be said about RWD and even AWD. They all have their specific thresholds of traction and that is where suspension set-up and tires come into play. That is also where a driver comes into play who understands that taking a high powered FWD car into a turn is a completely different thing than doing the same with a RWD or AWD vehicle. The point at which you are off the throttle, utilize your brake (if necessary) and then back on throttle, vary greatly.

If it is true that the Genesis can put down more power into the turns, which by the way, it is not because its suspension lets it down every time, than the Genesis would not have lost every one of the tests that were handling and traction based. For instance, the slalom speed and lateral grip tests for example.

In the end, yes, FWD does limit the car to an extent, but it will still come down to suspension set-up and tires regardless of drive-train.

To simply say a FWD car can't beat a RWD or AWD car around a track is non-sensical. The MS3 has already proven repeatedly in many comparison tests against other high powered FWD, AWD and RWD cars, that a high powered FWD car can quite easily do this.


very true, very true. im not tryin to say that the MS3 can't do what the hyundia can do, your right there are positives and negatives about rear, front, and all wheel drive. i have to say tho, the rear wheel drive is too fun.

[Malcolm991]

I sat in the MS3 and the Genesis today and I have to say the Genesis blows the MS3 away in the fit and finish catagory! As for the drive, I dont know but the Genesis is a damn nice car!

[Rob23]

I sat in the MS3 and the Genesis today and I have to say the Genesis blows the MS3 away in the fit and finish catagory! As for the drive, I dont know but the Genesis is a damn nice car!

have you seen the new Nissan 370Z? its in the same catagory, and it blows them all out of the water. base price its like 35 grand tho, little more pricey.

[Rob23]

have you seen the new Nissan 370Z? its in the same catagory, and it blows them all out of the water. base price its like 35 grand tho, little more pricey.

well, its more in the same catagory as the V6 Genisis i mean.

[3DEE]

I drove the Genesis when it came out. Both 2.0T and the 3.8. I liked the car very much in and out. It is a different feel though, so it depends what you like. I would like to say that 2.0T has a lot of lag I thought. Very underpowered. 3.8 all the way. If it wasn't for the fact I needed space and four doors, I would have seriously considered it. The car sounds nice too btw.