Golf R coming to North America. 270hp AWD

[Unoriginalusername]

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q3/2010_volkswagen_golf_r-auto_shows
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/vw_audi_performance/scoop_2010_volkswagen_golf_r_series_turbo_coming_t o_america_car_news/scoop_2010_volkswagen_golf_r_series_turbo_coming_t o_america/vwr20_woodward_10_1/1963990-1-eng-US/vwr20_woodward_10_1_gallery_image_large.jpg

thoughts? should give the ms3 a run for its money if the price isn't out of this world. somewhere between the ms3 and the evo/sti should make for an interesting car

[dentinger]

sick!

i had an 08 R32 for a drive clean the other week, the car was quick. and sounded amazing! VR6, ftw.

[Unoriginalusername]

sick!

i had an 08 R32 for a drive clean the other week, the car was quick. and sounded amazing! VR6, ftw.

yeah those engines do sound pretty sweet.... this won't sound as good but it will be less expensive, weight less and make the same horse power so it should be interesting.

regretably they don't think the 6 speed manual will be coming over here which i think is a bad decision given the ms3, the sti and most of the evo sales (vs. MR) along with the bmw 135i are all 6 speed sticks.

that could kill the car given it costs more, the vw dsg box doesn't hold up well to mods, and adds weight. given the 2010 ms3 is in the 33k range if they could get a 6 speed awd golf r in for under 40k i am sure it would do well

[JashiK]

interesting, but I have a feeling this car will be closer to the sti price range.

[Unoriginalusername]

interesting, but I have a feeling this car will be closer to the sti price range.

Car and driver said with the DSG box they estimate around 32k USD. the sti starts at 35k usd and goes to 40k with the bbs wheels and nav and lands at 45k CAD$ with those options.

if vw prices it in the 40k range it will get devoured by the 135i, wrx sti and lacer evo... but if it lands in the 30k range where the ms3 sits as a slight premium to the fwd hot hatches it will do well imo

[CanadaGTO]

No way will this be in the $30k region. $43k to $45k is my guess.

[Unoriginalusername]

No way will this be in the $30k region. $43k to $45k is my guess.

very probable, just won't do well vs. the sti with tech package, a more advanced awd system and more hp for the same money

[jonjon72]

Hmm....like the Mazdaspeed3 inspired rims.

[SirWanker]

Gorgeous pics ( 1600x1200) here : http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2010-golf_r/ . I did hotlink them in another thread but the site will fubar them.
I'm getting conflicting info on whether this model will make it to Canada; USA for sure but not here.

[whiteomega]

No way will this be in the $30k region. $43k to $45k is my guess.

that's about what i was thinking; the GTI is already in the 30k area. they're kind of shooting audi in the foot though...A3 quattro 2.0T w/dsg for 41k, or for about the same, the Golf-R with awd, dsg and more power...

(and let's be honest..the mark 6 golf looks way better...)



Too bad we don't get the Scirocco R :(

[Darkfrosty7]

looks good! i love the seats... and the exhaust, how it looks. and thats a crazy bluee

[SL3VIN]

trailer from VW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cChxdhw9Bxc&feature=popt02us0e

[Garu]

It's nice and all but 32~35K in US means 45~50K in Canada.

Hey UU, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish... but....
NM...

[MattC]

Damn, i just got a mk4 GTI.

time to chip the bitch.

[slidxe]

looks sick

[SKYMP3]

It looks really nice, but for 40-45k, I will buy a 370Z, 135i, STi or EVO.

[SirWanker]

*sigh*

"Unfortunately, Volkswagen Canada could only confirm what would not be coming to Canada: the new all-wheel-drive 270 hp Golf R hot hatch and 3.3 L/100 km (85 m.p.g.) subcompact Polo BlueMotion three-door that debuted here."

Source: http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/781988

[Unoriginalusername]

*sigh*

"Unfortunately, Volkswagen Canada could only confirm what would not be coming to Canada: the new all-wheel-drive 270 hp Golf R hot hatch and 3.3 L/100 km (85 m.p.g.) subcompact Polo BlueMotion three-door that debuted here."

Source: http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/781988

boo for VW

[FLIPDADY]

This is a good alternative IMO. Too bad it's an A/T. I've seen a few go for about $35,000 or so.

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2007_chicago/0702_z+2007_volkswagen_rabbit_r32+front.jpg

[JSI]

I'd love to have an AT(DSG) R32. DSG is not a normal AT in my books.

[Hives]

VW is trouble ( a TM3 users name lol). Stay away!

[SL3VIN]

lol well if we aren't going to get the golf r, i hope we at least get another hot hatch the RS3, but then again it prolly wont matter since i wont have the money to buy any of the two.... damn university tuition

[SirWanker]

*sob* Video of 2010 Golf R from 2009 Frankfurt Auto Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juYBP_gIaTI)

[Unoriginalusername]

*sob* Video of 2010 Golf R from 2009 Frankfurt Auto Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juYBP_gIaTI)

that presenter is a duffas and says probably way to many times

[Manpreet]

The car looks good, i wouldnt mind buying it if it was under $30,000

[Gizzmo_jr]

Why the hell do we always look up his nose the entire time. Worst presentation of car ever.

[dragons4life]

This car is officially official and will come to the states in 2012. Most likely priced at $34,000U.S..give or take 3-4 grand more for us Canadians.

what we get from the car.

Press release:

Key attributes:
• 2.0L turbocharged engine with significant hp increase over GTI
• 4th generation Haldex 4Motion - all wheel drive
• Increased rotor diameter translating to improved braking
• Sport tuned ESP
• Upgraded sport tuned suspension
• 2 door or 4 door
• Manual Transmission Only
• Unique 18" alloy wheels
• Unique steering wheel
• Unique interior trim
• Exterior R model badge and bodykit
• R model shift knob
• R model door sills
• R model front and rear fascia with dual, center exit, exhaust

[Autoblog]

[Unoriginalusername]

This car is officially official and will come to the states in 2012. Most likely priced at $34,000U.S..give or take 3-4 grand more for us Canadians.

what we get from the car.

Press release:

Key attributes:
• 2.0L turbocharged engine with significant hp increase over GTI
• 4th generation Haldex 4Motion - all wheel drive
• Increased rotor diameter translating to improved braking
• Sport tuned ESP
• Upgraded sport tuned suspension
• 2 door or 4 door
• Manual Transmission Only
• Unique 18" alloy wheels
• Unique steering wheel
• Unique interior trim
• Exterior R model badge and bodykit
• R model shift knob
• R model door sills
• R model front and rear fascia with dual, center exit, exhaust

[Autoblog]

Perfect, that makes my day. My company car is good for another 2.5 years so this and the Focus ST will be sale here then, can't wait :chuckle

[gotak]

This car is officially official and will come to the states in 2012. Most likely priced at $34,000U.S..give or take 3-4 grand more for us Canadians.
[Autoblog]

So 38 for it eh? Somehow I have a feeling real pricing is going to be closer to 40+ considering the limited supply we get for the GTI in canada.

[towelsnap]

Why the hell do we always look up his nose the entire time. Worst presentation of car ever.

+1 lol.

[jonjon72]

Looking forward to this......270hp hatchback w/all wheel drive. I want one!

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/10q4/2012_volkswagen_golf_r_confirmed_for_u.s.-car_news

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Looking forward to this......270hp hatchback w/all wheel drive. I want one!

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/10q4/2012_volkswagen_golf_r_confirmed_for_u.s.-car_news

Golf R + APR Stage 1 = yes please! (http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tfsi_trans_265hp.html)

http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/dyno/20tfsi_trans_265hp/20tfsi_trans_265hp_s1_93_crank.gif
* numbers are adjusted to reflect crank hp on APR's site

[jonjon72]

Thats crazy stuff.....I'd take this over the speed for sure. Add AWD and you got a winner!

[McGuyver_3]

STANDARD ONLY

thats what makes my day :huge smile

AWD
now if mazda would bring their awd 3 to North America that would be nice

[Thrizzl3]

STANDARD ONLY

thats what makes my day :huge smile

AWD
now if mazda would bring their awd 3 to North America that would be nice

mazdaspeed 3 < Golf R:huge smile

[xdutrax]

mazdaspeed 3 < Golf R:huge smile

Lmao, totally.
I love golfs!

[McGuyver_3]

i know what you guys are saying but i would keep the speed as a winter car like i am planing on doing although its front wheel drive and get something for summer.

[philipfreire]

no matter what you get.. new cars will keep coming out thats faster and better. lol i personally am liking the subaru/toyota ft-86 concept.. rear wheel + turbo = win

[Flunk]

This is great, it looks like they've fixed all the problems with the GTI all at once... Well mostly. But 270HP is great and it does look like a fantastic car.

[gotak]

This is great, it looks like they've fixed all the problems with the GTI all at once... Well mostly. But 270HP is great and it does look like a fantastic car.

But created a new problem, price LOL. This will make the WRX a real competitor, except that it'll cost much more.

[dragons4life]

But created a new problem, price LOL. This will make the WRX a real competitor, except that it'll cost much more.

Well overall i think the Golf R offers a better interior , which i guess it rounds out the overall car over the WRX weak interior.

[gotak]

Well overall i think the Golf R offers a better interior , which i guess it rounds out the overall car over the WRX weak interior.

For sure one of the reasons I picked the speed over the WRX even though costs were similar. That and the speed came with more features stock while the WRX is just engine and AWD.

[W1CK3DD3M0N]

Subaru Impreza's arent known for their interiors, I had a 2005 STI and the interior was real weak

[laksman91]

Interiors are for women or old people =D

[jonjon72]

Interiors are for women or old people =D

I fall in line with the old people. LOL

For the amount of time I drive, I want to make sure the interior quality is pretty good and easy on the eyes. The rentals I get for work (Cobalts, PT Cruisers, Caliber's) make me appreciate a well made interior even more! :huge smile

[gotak]

I fall in line with the old people. LOL

For the amount of time I drive, I want to make sure the interior quality is pretty good and easy on the eyes. The rentals I get for work (Cobalts, PT Cruisers, Caliber's) make me appreciate a well made interior even more! :huge smile

+1

I know a lot of people who are obsessed with their car's exterior looks. They'll pick a car simply on the exterior looks. Personally, I think that's a bit stupid. I mean after a while on a daily basis you look at your car's exterior maybe what 10 seconds a day as you walk towards it to get in? Rest of the time you are dealing with the interior.

[jonjon72]

+1

I know a lot of people who are obsessed with their car's exterior looks. They'll pick a car simply on the exterior looks. Personally, I think that's a bit stupid. I mean after a while on a daily basis you look at your car's exterior maybe what 10 seconds a day as you walk towards it to get in? Rest of the time you are dealing with the interior.

Perfect example of this would be the Camaro. Hot exterior.....hideous and ergonomically wrong interior in so many ways!

[Unoriginalusername]

Perfect example of this would be the Camaro. Hot exterior.....hideous and ergonomically wrong interior in so many ways!

Well that argument goes both ways... when magazines are comparing cars like the Mazdaspeed 3 to the GTI whereby the MS3 trounces the GTI in every performance test and they give the win to the GTI because of the interior which in these two cars is more a matter of taste than an actual quality disparity (aka Neon SRT4) thats what I find to be a stupid argument as ergonomically, & functionality wise the MS3 and the GTI are on equal footing.

Then you get to the typical american vs. import discussion where for years the malibu, impala, g6/68, & even the aforementioned camaro for that matter have interiors that seem to offer far less useable space, reduced visibility and ergonomics compared to many of the import competitors in which case an interior argument is completely valid as you're not comparing two equals and differentiating purely on taste.

The new HB STI will not have the same fit & finish feel as this Golf is likely to have, and besides the wide arse seats in many cases it is functional enough that if the Golf GTI-R costs the same, or more I'd still pick the STI as (after the 08 engine issues) its a mechanically proven well engineered platform that works functionally/ergonomically with a little less sex appeal than what the GTI will have (from an interior perspective)

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Well that argument goes both ways... when magazines are comparing cars like the Mazdaspeed 3 to the GTI whereby the MS3 trounces the GTI in every performance test and they give the win to the GTI because of the interior which in these two cars is more a matter of taste than an actual quality disparity (aka Neon SRT4) thats what I find to be a stupid argument as ergonomically, & functionality wise the MS3 and the GTI are on equal footing.



in the comparisons between the MKV GTI and the Gen1 MS3, the MKV GTI always came out on top because it was a better overall ride, not just the interior.

having both an MKV GTI and a Gen1 MS3, I can agree with that 100%.

stock-for-stock, the GTI is a better package in terms of everyday driveability and livability -- the stock shocks are better, the ride compliance is better, the seats are better, the interior materials are better, the fit and finish is better, the stock ecu tune is better. it is a better overall car to take you to work everyday and still be able to carve a canyon road if the opportunity arises.

why do i have an MS3 then? because it is my "toy" and the GTI is the wife's car. Aside from the APR stage 1, the GTI will not see another mod while it is under warranty. The MS3, on the other hand, well, it's been changed to make it more liveable during the daily drive as well as other things it was made for...

you can see that Mazda paid attention to those comparos because the GenPoo MS3 has been made more "liveable" with creature comforts the Gen1 MS3 did not have and a retuned suspension to make it less harsh.

[gotak]

in the comparisons between the MKV GTI and the Gen1 MS3, the MKV GTI always came out on top because it was a better overall ride, not just the interior.

having both an MKV GTI and a Gen1 MS3, I can agree with that 100%.

stock-for-stock, the GTI is a better package in terms of everyday driveability and livability -- the stock shocks are better, the ride compliance is better, the seats are better, the interior materials are better, the fit and finish is better, the stock ecu tune is better. it is a better overall car to take you to work everyday and still be able to carve a canyon road if the opportunity arises.

why do i have an MS3 then? because it is my "toy" and the GTI is the wife's car. Aside from the APR stage 1, the GTI will not see another mod while it is under warranty. The MS3, on the other hand, well, it's been changed to make it more liveable during the daily drive as well as other things it was made for...

you can see that Mazda paid attention to those comparos because the GenPoo MS3 has been made more "liveable" with creature comforts the Gen1 MS3 did not have and a retuned suspension to make it less harsh.

The funny thing is that new suspension and chassis delivers higher skid pad and slalom numbers, making you wonder what they were doing with the gen 1.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

The funny thing is that new suspension and chassis delivers higher skid pad and slalom numbers, making you wonder what they were doing with the gen 1.

the shocks on the GenDone are severely under-damped...the koni yellows i have now are a much better match to the stock springs; no longer does it feel like i'm about to go airborne after hitting a bumpy patch on the highway.

i believe the shocks were revised on the Gen2, and the GenPoo also got 10mm wider tires

[jonjon72]

Well that argument goes both ways... when magazines are comparing cars like the Mazdaspeed 3 to the GTI whereby the MS3 trounces the GTI in every performance test and they give the win to the GTI because of the interior which in these two cars is more a matter of taste than an actual quality disparity (aka Neon SRT4) thats what I find to be a stupid argument as ergonomically, & functionality wise the MS3 and the GTI are on equal footing.

Then you get to the typical american vs. import discussion where for years the malibu, impala, g6/68, & even the aforementioned camaro for that matter have interiors that seem to offer far less useable space, reduced visibility and ergonomics compared to many of the import competitors in which case an interior argument is completely valid as you're not comparing two equals and differentiating purely on taste.

The new HB STI will not have the same fit & finish feel as this Golf is likely to have, and besides the wide arse seats in many cases it is functional enough that if the Golf GTI-R costs the same, or more I'd still pick the STI as (after the 08 engine issues) its a mechanically proven well engineered platform that works functionally/ergonomically with a little less sex appeal than what the GTI will have (from an interior perspective)


True, in the GTI vs Speed 3 argument, the speed trounces it in performance. Overall IMO, the GTI wins when everything is put togther. However, with the Golf R, throw in a similarly powered engine and AWD, it makes the decision easier for me if I were in the market for another HB.

Not to say the interior in the speed is a dog (I think its one of the best), however, the fit and finish of the GTI is definitely a step above. Maybe its because I'm older, but I appreciate a great interior just as much as the exterior of a car. Thats why for me, both have to be well maintained if its sitting in my parking spot.

[Fobio]

I don't like to talk cars (comparing) online with ppl cuz it's inevitable when words are put on paper/screen, ppl take a stand...

I haven't had the pleasure of driving a GTI (waves @ MBNTO) but I can agree with every review where it delivering the overall package is key, it wins...with the various stages of tune, they can also be very fast...

but as can be seen...most ppl who shop GTI's don't consider them a toy...I'm talking about new GTI's anyway, cuz I also know dudes racing a stripped bare bones no power mods 80's rabbit/golf...looking at EACH AND EVERY of the track events I participated in, there were no NEW Golf's...not many GTI's, and definitely not as prolific as the MS3...the reality, from the financial perspective, is that ppl who buy GTI's new treat them as nicer cars also, than the cars they are usually compared to in magazines...

I see this moot hot hatch back and forth is simply an interesting conversation...every car in the segment makes some sort of sacrifice to deliver at a certain price point...thank god they are not all the same...

we all want a car giving no compromise to any corners of the envelope/performance pentagon, etc. I don't think many of these cars exist...until now...CTS-V wagon...RS6 Avante's...to some a Panarama...

what I like about this VW platform is that it's widely applied and therefore fosters a healthy aftermarket. the flip side of VW ownership is costlier repairs in general compared to a ms3. the flip side of that is that a improperly maintained ms3 can cost you more than a TT...troof.

speaking of TT...RS...that's the car in this line that I'd love to have but alas, it's really impractical for its price...might as well get a Boxster Spyder for the price...but you can get a Golf R for like half the price...HOPEFULLY!

at the end of the day, they makes cars for ppl to drive on the roads...I'd dare say 90% of owners never reach 90% of the pootential of their cars.

I await your personal on track comparo MBNTO!...lol...

[DrunknFoo]

I didn't think the R would arrive to Canada so soon, so I jumped onto the GTi, now I'm kicking myself in the butt. Depending on the price VW Canada releases, I might consider jumping in on it, but then again APR just released the K04 kit for the mkvi GTi. I'm torn between decisions for 2011.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I didn't think the R would arrive to Canada so soon, so I jumped onto the GTi, now I'm kicking myself in the butt. Depending on the price VW Canada releases, I might consider jumping in on it, but then again APR just released the K04 kit for the mkvi GTi. I'm torn between decisions for 2011.

The TSI engine doesn't need an upgraded HPFP to handle the extra power. For less than $3000, the APR K04 (http://www.goapr.com/products/turbo_trans_20_tsi_k04.html) kit would be a damn good choice for power...besides, you can maintain sleeper status and tell other GTI owners "mine is bigger than yours" :chuckle

http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/apr-tsi-k04-compressor-overview.jpg

[Fobio]

The TSI engine doesn't need an upgraded HPFP to handle the extra power. For less than $3000, the APR K04 (http://www.goapr.com/products/turbo_trans_20_tsi_k04.html) kit would be a damn good choice for power...besides, you can maintain sleeper status and tell other GTI owners "mine is bigger than yours" :chuckle

http://www.goapr.com/includes/img/products/apr-tsi-k04-compressor-overview.jpg

that turbo looks like a cock. lol

[Unoriginalusername]

Confirmed Canadian availability :huge smile

Volkswagen Golf “R” coming to Canada (http://www.canadiandriver.com/2010/12/15/volkswagen-golf-r-coming-to-canada.htm)

Ajax, Ontario – Volkswagen’s “Super Golf,” the Golf “R”, will be available in Canada beginning in 2012. Based on the four-door GTI hatchback, the Golf “R” will be the best-performing Golf ever available in Canada.

The model’s high-output four-cylinder turbocharged engine will be tuned to produce an estimated 256 horsepower, mated to a six-speed manual transmission and 4Motion all-wheel drive. Golf “R”-specific wheels, brakes and suspension are also part of the package, along with numerous interior and exterior enhancements.

More details will be available as the model gets closer to launch.

[swales]

I just wonder how much they're going to charge, I noticed in the original press release it said "for a limited time, limited edition model" which means they could want crazy $$$$$$ for it.

[Fobio]

Richard Hammond's review

New VW Golf is a pocket rocket in disguise
(http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/cars-motorbikes/2010/02/new-vw-golf-is-a-pocket-rocket.html)


I come from Birmingham - and so the whole "Q" car thing has always rather gone over my head.

If your car bristles with power and performance, you want the world to know about it, even when you're at the library.Whereas a Q, or quiet car, looks modest but has loads of power.

The Golf R then, is not designed for me. On paper, the new hot Golf is easily a match for the hot hatch kings from Ford and Renault - the Focus RS and the Megane 250 RS.

In the real world, though, looking at it, you would be hard put to guess at its storming performance *credentials.

It looks like just another Golf.

There are no huge spoilers, no gaping air scoops looking for children and pets to eat and no angry grills to hold back the hordes of furious power orcs hiding under the bonnet.

The boot spoiler could just be a slightly big window rubber and the tinted rear windows might just be there to shield junior in the back from the sun.

There is nothing to tell the casual passer-by that it is the fastest and most powerful Golf ever, that it can hit 62mph in 5.7 seconds and that it uses VW's new Four Motion four-wheel drive system.

It's a subtle performance car, which, to a Brummie, is about as tempting as a lightweight hammer.

It does at least sound faintly impressive. The 2.0-litre, 267bhp-turbocharged engine breathes out through the twin tailpipes and provides a sort of polite butler's cough, suggesting that it might, if nobody objects, go like hell.

And if provoked, it most certainly can. There is a huge amount of shove from what is, after all, not an especially new and spangly engine.

And the four-wheel drive system *maintains a sense of absolute composure and sure-footedness even on greasy,
mud-strewn roads.

It does sit some 25mm lower than a standard Golf, and this squatness helps it stay level and keep power going down, depending on the surface and the grip, through all four wheels.

Inside, it's equally subtle and you get the usual VW feeling that it will look the same the day you sell it with a million miles on the clock as it does the day you pick it up from the dealer.

But if you stop messing about on back roads and just set off to work or the shops it really starts to make sense.

It's no competitor for computer-game rally cars from Subaru and Mitsubishi and neither is it ever going to attract the same adoring looks in the drive-thru queue as the Focus RS.

But it rides beautifully on the motorway and fast A-roads, it surprises every time with the urgency of its on-boost shove and, of course, it's a Golf so you can commute to work every day, drop the kids off at whatever party/club/shopping centre they have to visit on a Saturday, then take off on your own for a proper, old-school caning round the lanes.

Suddenly, I get it... The Golf R is an attempt at giving us everything, in one package, and it's not a bad attempt at that.

Sure, it could be faster and feel a bit livelier at the steering wheel - the seats could look and feel a bit more sumptuous and no doubt taller passengers will complain at the legroom in the rear.

But this is everything a hot Golf should be - fast enough, big enough, ultimately tough and reliable and discreet enough not to ruffle feathers at the school gate or even, dare I say it, the golf club.

And it's just as well it is cloaked in such discreet and grown-up subtlety, because hot hatch it may be but this won't be on the shopping list of many of those who wear their caps backwards and their jeans slung low.

With the optional (and excellent) DSG gearbox, it weights in at an enormous £31,195.

That is very grown-up money and perhaps explains why VW is happy to miss out some of the more lairy and outrageous hot hatch styling cues here. This is more likely to be bought by middle managers than teenage street kings.

It's a shame such a car has to cost so much but it's also an inevitable commercial reality. For those who can afford it, the Golf R should prove an excellent all-round package.

The good news, of course, is that in about 10 years, once it has a million miles on the clock and Dave from accounting has moved it on, the same Golf R will be available to younger drivers.

And there's nothing about it that a quick trip to Halfords' special stick-on spoilers, alloy wheels and fake carbon fibre section couldn't liven up.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

If it is $31K pounds in the UK, there is simply no way this car will be priced under $40K here in Canada, assuming of course, we ever get it.

[Fobio]

If it is $31K pounds in the UK, there is simply no way this car will be priced under $40K here in Canada, assuming of course, we ever get it.

this is basically a $50K+ car...less go than a STi/EVO, but better overall pkg...different strokes for different folks.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

this is basically a $50K+ car...less go than a STi/EVO, but better overall pkg...different strokes for different folks.

Agree.
In that price range though, there is a lot to look at... 50K for a Golf is not my strokes, that's for sure.

[shu5892001]

Agree.
In that price range though, there is a lot to look at... 50K for a Golf is not my strokes, that's for sure.

Agree....

[Unoriginalusername]

Agree.
In that price range though, there is a lot to look at... 50K for a Golf is not my strokes, that's for sure.

Agree but everyone wants the MS3 to come with AWD and that sort of price tag will be the result so we'll see how many people put their money where their mouth is and buy an AWD car that costs as much as an STI or EVO with less HP/performance numbers simply because of the interior.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Agree but everyone wants the MS3 to come with AWD and that sort of price tag will be the result so we'll see how many people put their money where their mouth is and buy an AWD car that costs as much as an STI or EVO with less HP/performance numbers simply because of the interior.

Lol. Couldn't agree more. I don't see this being a big seller at all against the EVO and STi.

As for wanting the MS3 to be AWD, I am probably in the minority that believes there is neither the point, or need. At least, certainly not for a car that will be used primarily as a daily driver and for street driving.

The MS3 was never designed to be a competitor against the STi and Evo, yet even as a FWD platform, it can hold its own very admirably against significantly more expensive and powerful cars. Mazda got it bang on targeting the FWD hot hatch/performance car market and they should continue updating the platform to compete in this segment strictly. I think they lost their way with the new gen and need to get back on track there. Aside from the obvious aesthetic issues, on strictly personal taste here, I hate the softer and slower ride feel of the new gen MS3 and the general de-tune of the overall manic personality of the old gen MS3. If I wanted a Golf Gti in feel, I'd buy one. I don't, which is why I have an MS3.

Most of the cry for AWD is because of a bunch of young kids who grew up playing Gran Turismo video games driving AWD STi's and Evo's and think that AWD is the 'shit' cause it's just awesome on their T.V. I'd be willing to bet most of them have never driven a real STi, Evo, MS3 or seen a day on a track in their life. But yah, AWD for the win cause it sounds just awesome cool. Bah.

Edit: Yes, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. ;)

[swales]

^I agree 100% I'm so sick of all the AWD fanboy's these days, if you want something fun and challenging, get RWD

[VertigoM]

I was considering the VW R but instead went with the MS3. Even though I obviously havent driven the VW R yet, I'm pretty sure I made the right decision considering I just saved myself about 10g's.

[Freakzaz]

Hmm, AWD grip does give it an advantage from stop and it does 0-60 in 5.7? I'm curious to see how it fares against the MS3, which can do somewhere in the 5.5-5.9, and although a FWD, its one of the best FWD's out there :p

[itzmattz]

very probable, just won't do well vs. the sti with tech package, a more advanced awd system and more hp for the same money

Agreed. When the R does get released hopefully STi and EVO prices will drop just to help out consumers with the competition on the market...

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Agreed. When the R does get released hopefully STi and EVO prices will drop just to help out consumers with the competition on the market...

the EVO may not even be around much longer by then

[mazidane]

I just wonder how much they're going to charge, I noticed in the original press release it said "for a limited time, limited edition model" which means they could want crazy $$$$$$ for it.

"The 2012 Volkswagen Golf R will be a limited edition of between 1,500 and 3,000 cars, with prices starting at $32,500 or so for a manual-equipped two-door. We might even get four-doors for a slight premium."

*Figures quoted are in USD.

http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/golf/2012/2012-volkswagen-golf-r-first-drive.html

http://www.blogcdn.com/autos.aol.ca/media/2011/03/31-2012-volkswagen-golf-r.jpg

[swales]

Sucks they're de-tuning it to 256 hp and 243 lb-ft for the US market

[Fobio]

Sucks they're de-tuning it to 256 hp and 243 lb-ft for the US market

I think you mean, it sucks that they're already seeding the market for APR tunes...lol...

[laksman91]

the EVO may not even be around much longer by then

http://w0rd.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/success_baby.jpg

[shu5892001]

"The 2012 Volkswagen Golf R will be a limited edition of between 1,500 and 3,000 cars, with prices starting at $32,500 or so for a manual-equipped two-door. We might even get four-doors for a slight premium."

*Figures quoted are in USD.

http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen/golf/2012/2012-volkswagen-golf-r-first-drive.html

http://www.blogcdn.com/autos.aol.ca/media/2011/03/31-2012-volkswagen-golf-r.jpg

Just out of curiosity why is the marking on the speedometer for 30 and 50 km/h red? I see this on a lot of German cars does anyone why?

[laksman91]

It might be typical speed limits in Germany

[mazidane]

It might be typical speed limits in Germany

http://www.novahq.net/forum/images/smilies/whssign.gif

[Unoriginalusername]

getting less and less excited by the sounds of a 40k dd, just me?

[shu5892001]

getting less and less excited by the sounds of a 40k dd, just me?

+1 40K golf, no thanks

[MajesticBlueNTO]

+1 40K golf, no thanks

that's like saying "40k for an impreza, no thanks" and "40k for a lancer, no thanks"

[shu5892001]

that's like saying "40k for an impreza, no thanks" and "40k for a lancer, no thanks"

lol that is actually quite true, but to me, civic si and golf gti are in the same league and sti and evo is in a higher class.

I wouldn't buy a 40K golf just like I wouldn't buy a 40K civic

[MajesticBlueNTO]

lol that is actually quite true, but to me, civic si and golf gti are in the same league and sti and evo is in a higher class.

I wouldn't buy a 40K golf just like I wouldn't buy a 40K civic

you're missing the point.

the STI and EVO are still based off the econobox Impreza and Lancer, respectively; however, the end result is a completely different car mechanically.

much the same way as the Golf and Golf R.

so, let's recap:

impreza WRX STI > impreza WRX > impreza

lancer EVO > lancer ralliart (RIP) > lancer

golf R > golf GTI > golf

in the end, you're still paying 40+k for a tarted up econobox.

[laksman91]

you're missing the point.

the STI and EVO are still based off the econobox Impreza and Lancer, respectively; however, the end result is a completely different car mechanically.

much the same way as the Golf and Golf R.

so, let's recap:

impreza WRX STI > impreza WRX > impreza

lancer EVO > lancer ralliart (RIP) > lancer

golf R > golf GTI > golf

in the end, you're still paying 40+k for a tarted up econobox.

fyi the lancer ralliart is still around, RALLIART division in Japan involved with motorsports and that kind of product development however, isnt

[Flunk]

The Evo is a dead car rolling, Mitsubishi has announced that they're not going to develop any new versions.

$40K is a pretty fair price for a 270HP Golf, VWs are always expensive. I'm not too sure I would buy one but I can see someone buying it.

[swales]

The Evo is a dead car rolling, Mitsubishi has announced that they're not going to develop any new versions.


Actually Mitsubishi has made it known that the Evo is not dead like was reported

[n00bMeiSter]

I seem to have a tightness in my pants after looking at those pics and reading the specs.....

[DrunknFoo]

http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8379&d=1302638733
I was torn for awhile and was considering selling my GTI, but in the end, I've spent way to much already on such a new car, getting the R isn't worth it right now. (btw the hp listed is whp, -/+ 10hp)

Anyways the 'R' will be limited in Canada, each dealership only receiving 4 to 8 of these.
Some have already been claimed for, expect to see a few on the road in 5-6 months.

[mazidane]

(btw the hp listed is whp, -/+ 10hp) Really? So it hasn't been detuned for NA after all?


Anyways the 'R' will be limited in Canada, each dealership only receiving 4 to 8 of these.
Some have already been claimed for, expect to see a few on the road in 5-6 months.
Wow that early, I thought we wouldn't be seeing these till Spring 2012, also what's the official word on MSRP?

[kckev99]

I'd rather have a Golf with TDI instead.

has enough torque to haul a trailer full of goodies

[Mr Wilson]

Update from Autoblog,

"People who love the Volkswagen Golf really love it. It's not the most popular car -- it doesn't rate in the top 10 of most lists in Canada -- but there are enough people around to buy it.

Or are there? Volkswagen just released a pricing sheet for the 2013 Volkswagen Golf R and the numbers on the page are small. There will only be 500 cars available in the country next year and some of those have already been pre-sold.

The specs page says it all:

•Dealer share of national 2010 GTI sales determines volume
•Every dealer offered a minimum of one unit
If the dealer doesn't accept their cars, the cars are held in reserve for other dealers with stronger demand.

Remember we said that there were only 500 cars planned? There's more: the cars only come in a five-door hatchback and with a manual transmission. You get only one trim level with no options and five body colours: rising blue metallic, candy white, deep black pearl, tomato red and carbon steel grey metallic.

The suggested MSRP? $40,000 CAD and the dealers are not being allowed to put holds on the cars."

[SKYMP3]

No option is good, take it or leave it. Manual FTW..

[maz06]

:whoa 40k you have to love this car to get it.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

:whoa 40k you have to love this car to get it.

^exhibit A as to why Mazda never made an AWD Mazdaspeed3 and canned the Mazdaspeed6

[SKYMP3]

I would take a STI over a GOLF for the price....STI is only $38k for the base sedan.

[Elusivellama]

40k Golf R vs 30k for a base MS3 (don't forget taxes), plus VW's not so awesome finance rates and no wiggle room on negotiation... you must really want the car to choose it for that Haldex AWD. At these prices, several other car options present themselves...

[SirWanker]

True at the 40K pricepoint you do have these options ( limiting to hatchbacks available in Canada ):

Audi A3 AWD
Mini Clubman with John Cooper Works package
Mazdaspeed 3
Subaru Impreza STI 5dr
Golf R

It is a toss-up between the Golf & STI but for over-all daily use, the Golf R please.

[Aitch]

http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/attachments/suzuki/25297d1309921005-intruder-recall-zombie-thread.jpg

[cSPEED]

My fav. econobox car. Almost bought one on more than one occasion but they were always US cars as I love the older (boxier) body style. Still hope to own one some day.

[MarkWB]

Considering the things you could do with the ten grand you'd save buying a speed instead of a Golf R...I'd go for a speed 3.

You could definitely I/H/E your speed 3 and even squeeze in the AWD mod...possibly even throw bigger rims, coilovers, and lower/tighten up the suspension for around 10 K if you spent it right...and I'd say a speed3 with those mods is way better than any Golf R VW will ever make.

[Mr Wilson]

Considering the things you could do with the ten grand you'd save buying a speed instead of a Golf R...I'd go for a speed 3.

You could definitely I/H/E your speed 3 and even squeeze in the AWD mod...possibly even throw bigger rims, coilovers, and lower/tighten up the suspension for around 10 K if you spent it right...and I'd say a speed3 with those mods is way better than any Golf R VW will ever make.

No.

[dentinger]

kinda dissapointing they didnt put the 2.5 TFSI engine in it.

[MarkWB]

No.

How much are you thinking that mod would run you? The article I read quoted it under 10K but I can't find it. I know most manufacturers charge 2 grand+ for AWD systems stock, but this is custom...either way I'm not expecting it would run someone more than 10 K (assuming you can find a CX-7 owner willing to part out his drivetrain system).

[Mr Wilson]

Multiple people have tried. 99.9% fail for various reasons. DGM is pretty much the only successful one.

It's easier to buy factory AWD that was engineered and developed with the vehicle rather than worry about a custom hodge podge of CX-7, Speed6, Volvo V40/S40, custom fab crap that now has to work together. If you know what you are doing and can source parts, than sure you maybe able to do it for under $10k.....if nothing breaks.

[MarkWB]

Multiple people have tried. 99.9% fail for various reasons. DGM is pretty much the only successful one.

It's easier to buy factory AWD that was engineered and developed with the vehicle rather than worry about a custom hodge podge of CX-7, Speed6, Volvo V40/S40, custom fab crap that now has to work together. If you know what you are doing and can source parts, than sure you maybe able to do it for under $10k.....if nothing breaks.

Yeah, sourcing the parts from other companies would be my major worry. I wouldn't fret too much off having CX-7/speed 6 parts made to fit a speed 3 mostly because dealerships will still be at least somewhat familiar with problems normally associated with those parts on their original cars. Having a custom drivetrain fabbed isn't a dream either. That being said, I'd be a lot more comfortable taking mods past the 300 hp limit with AWD on the car. I really wouldn't want to be packing 300+ hp/tq on my daily driver if it's only got FWD. Talk about a winter nightmare.

[Aitch]

http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/attachments/suzuki/25297d1309921005-intruder-recall-zombie-thread.jpg

Might as well just re-quote myself.