Rogers or any ISP tracking torrents?

[fourtrack78]

I had a friend of mine tell me that rogers contacted adobe about him downloading an illegal copy of acrobat, has anyone heard of this?

[Fobio]

I had a friend of mine tell me that rogers contacted adobe about him downloading an illegal copy of acrobat, has anyone heard of this?

I have heard of Adobe, amongst some movie studioes that have contacted Roger's users about sharing Adobe products. Remove the Adobe torrents and take it easy for a few days.

I have never heard of anything beyond a letter/email about it tho.

[S.F.W.]

When I hear of situations like this, I'm reminded of lyrics to a song by Tricky:
" got a letter from the government
The other day
Opened it and read it
It said they were suckers"

Substitute ISP for Government.

[Fobio]

When I hear of situations like this, I'm reminded of lyrics to a song by Tricky:
" got a letter from the government
The other day
Opened it and read it
It said they were suckers"

Substitute ISP for Government.

that's a bad ass tune Ami!

It's actually "Trigger Hippie" by Morcheeba...

[SilentJay]

Tell your "friend" to get to another ISP :P

[S.F.W.]

that's a bad ass tune Ami!

It's actually "Trigger Hippie" by Morcheeba...

Vincent, I was actually referencing "Black Steel" by Tricky.

[Fobio]

Vincent, I was actually referencing "Black Steel" by Tricky.

oh shit Ami...you're right...I've got my songs from that era mixed up...the 2 songs were back-to-back on my late-90's playlist!

[Fuman]

Rogers or any other ISP will not on their track your usage.
Adobe, or another people can call Rogers asking them to identify the person with a specific IP. Although, some ISPs challenge this and goes to court for their customer

[ZeroChalk]

yah my friend got called by two movie studios because he accidentally left his computer seeding.

There is the story of the music industry taking people to court for seeding files. I think they made an example out of a couple of people and fined them some crazy amount leading to them to declare bankruptcy.

What I hear is the deterrent now is that if you keep it up you will receive warnings from your ISP and then kicked from your ISP.

[Fuman]

yah my friend got called by two movie studios because he accidentally left his computer seeding.

There is the story of the music industry taking people to court for seeding files. I think they made an example out of a couple of people and fined them some crazy amount leading to them to declare bankruptcy.

What I hear is the deterrent now is that if you keep it up you will receive warnings from your ISP and then kicked from your ISP.
the police won't get involved in cases of personal torrent, at least that is their stance from their last update (if they have updated their stance, I haven't heard about it)
http://torrentfreak.com/canadian-police-tolerates-piracy-071110/

i think more updated news can be found here
http://www.****theriaa.org

[Slade]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notice_and_notice

Basically, company(not ISP) sees you sharing the file, contacts ISP says this IP is violating this copyright. Company sends letter to ISP, ISP forwards to customer....

ISP has nothing do with this other than the middleman..

[froggy]

think this is an empty threat at least in Canada our copyright laws are much different than in the US.

[eqlso]

Ah, I gotten a few of these, some for movies and some for games from bit torrenting. Just stopped for a while and nothing happened.

[yearoftherat]

AFAIK Adobe programs "call home"..( aka: big brother)

[JovianGhost]

^^^
What they said.

Rogers themselves won't track your torrents, but they do do packet-shaping (despite their claims to the contrary.)

These days, clients like uTorrent (supposedly) encrypt torrent traffic so even if Rogers wanted to, they couldn't see what you're transferring-- they just know that you are p2p-ing.

The only way for someone to know for sure what you're torrenting is by joining the swarm, i.e. torrent the same thing. That's what a lot of these guys do-- they find these torrents, start downloading themselves, then take a look at the IP addys of all the peers, figure out who the ISPs are, then contact the ISPs with a list of the addresses and say "Hey, this person is pirated our software, stop them."

I heard there's some way to block peers from seeing your IP address-- I think it was a piece of software, or a proxy, or something.
If I can find out what that was, I'll post it here.

As a side note, I once got a Cease-and-Desist letter directly from the friggin' MPAA for torrenting a movie. Wasn't even that good of a movie, either. :P

[omalak]

lol.. I got a few letters from Rogers and a phone call from an automated message i believe.

Not long after i switched to another ISP.

But yeah as mentioned in this thread, ISP's are the middleman i don;t think they follow through with anything, that is unless you are using massive amounts of bandwidth :)

I am quite happily enjoying my new copy of CS4 Master collection which i have legally bought :)

[blankets3]

(ill say it again)

rapid share is so much better never have to worry about these issues :P

[towelsnap]

think this is an empty threat at least in Canada our copyright laws are much different than in the US.

+1 just a slap on the wrist and a warning

[Slade]

(ill say it again)

rapid share is so much better never have to worry about these issues :P


actually, usenet is the beast...

[JovianGhost]

Ok, the IP blocker is PeerGuardian 2. Found here: http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/



actually, usenet is the beast...

Yes, it's too bad morons like Rogers phased out Usenet many, many years ago.

Sure there are public Usenet servers, but they don't hold a candle to private ones.

[crystal8484]

My bro got busted for downloading video games and seeding them. My parents got super pissed because of course the email goes to their main rogers account. They basically just said to remove the torrents. That was the last they heard of it.

[ElegantGremlin]

Telus gets them too. My brother got sent a letter for downloading Modern Warfare 2.

[SilentJay]

I received a letter regarding downloading movies waaay back when I was on Rogers. I called them up and told them I did no such thing, and that someone must have connected to my wifi and done that. The rep made note of that in my acct, and asked me to secure my router - end of story.

[Broli]

i have gotten emails for downloading movies and tv shows

they have threatened to cut the account lately but it hasn't happened

i started using peergaurdian 2. i am not sure if that has anything to do with it. i dont know if they would really cut someone service, because obviously we would leave rogers and go to a better and cheaper provider . . .

they should just say thanks for using our internet services

[SilentJay]

Newsgroups with SSL - love the speed :)




Edit: Woooo!!! 2000 posts!! :D

[Fobio]

Newsgroups with SSL - love the speed :)




Edit: Woooo!!! 2000 posts!! :D

newsgroups on rogers was the shit...I'd start a torrent and before it hits 30%, the newsgroup download for the same file would've been done already...

can megaupload accounts be shared? like if I get the $200 lifetime membership, can my "cousin" also use it at the same time at another location?

[SirWanker]

can megaupload accounts be shared? like if I get the $200 lifetime membership, can my "cousin" also use it at the same time at another location?

Don't know about the sharing ( it is easy to track this) but I heard megaupload is being investigated by the German authorities on inappropriate files being shared on their system.

[Fobio]

Don't know about the sharing ( it is easy to track this) but I heard megaupload is being investigated by the German authorities on inappropriate files being shared on their system.

we've been downloading overseas soap operas/tv drama...I doubt it's what they're coming after...hehe...

however, I do agree that it's prolly super easy to track...and that's why I asked...

[taz4432]

I'm not sure how it works with the lifetime account but I know with lesser accounts that you couldn't access from multiple locations at once. You can just contact them to find out if you'd like. It's probably going to be a no though otherwise one person would buy it and share with 1000 people (unless they do a 3-location access limit or something like that).

[mazda lover]

A buddy of mine was given a e-mail warning for downloading a movie which he never did. He had paused the downloading and not 1 second of it was downloded. He waits a week before downloading to see if Ihe gets a warning, if he gets a warning, which has not happened since the only warning he got he doesn't download and if they chase him they have to prove how much of it was downloaded, I don't think they really know??

[ZeroChalk]

torrents suck.

[MazdaTree]

Just delete those ISP abuse messages... I got a few and nothing ever happens after.

What speeds do you guys usually get from Torrents?

I actually hit my highest speed tonight... 1003kb.

[crono06]

Rapidshits or Netload.in are both good.

[Fuman]

we've been downloading overseas soap operas/tv drama...I doubt it's what they're coming after...hehe...

however, I do agree that it's prolly super easy to track...and that's why I asked...
RS is not-officially shareable, but I am sharing with someone. We use it at different times though.

[x_o_k_x]

I think downloading shoudnt be illegal, its seeding that should be. I mean if you walk and see $20 on the ground wouldnt you pick it up? Same thing on the internet, you see something free in this case movie or a song, you would download it.
Personally I dont let anything to be shared online. But that would be scary thing if someone called my house, saying that its illegal..

[mazda lover]

I think downloading shoudnt be illegal, its seeding that should be. I mean if you walk and see $20 on the ground wouldnt you pick it up? Same thing on the internet, you see something free in this case movie or a song, you would download it.
Personally I dont let anything to be shared online. But that would be scary thing if someone called my house, saying that its illegal..

My buddy says he never seeds, once the downloading is finished he stops...

[ZeroChalk]

^ that we call is a leacher... no benefit to the community at all.

[OhAxela]

^ that we call is a leacher... no benefit to the community at all.

**** the community

[silvermist99]

we've been downloading overseas soap operas/tv drama...I doubt it's what they're coming after...hehe...

however, I do agree that it's prolly super easy to track...and that's why I asked...

and they're free overseas. broadcasted over the air.
Is it illegal to download things that are avaliable free over the air?

[Fobio]

Interesting read:

http://gizmodo.com/5419179/is-the-bandwidth-hog-a-myth



http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/12/500x_hog-bandwidth.jpg

Every ISP's discussions of pricing plans, net neutrality or piracy invoke the same faceless villains: the bandwidth hogs. Benoît Felten, analyst and blogger, has been working in telecom for over a decade, and he wants proof these monsters even exist.

With the debate on net neutrality in full swing in the US, we've been hearing about Bandwidth Hogs again. 'Bandwidth Hog' is a sound bite that conveys a strong emotion: you can virtually see the fat pig chomping on the bandwidth, pushing back all the other animals in the barnyard with his fat pig shoulders all the while scrutinizing with his shiny piggy eyes to see if the farmer isn't around...

The image is so powerful that everyone thinks they understand what the term means , no one questions if the analogy is correct. In discussing this issue, Herman and I realised we had serious doubts about the existence of that potentially mythical beast. In fact, we are not sure even the telcos know what a bandwidth hog is and does.

But it makes great headlines: "Net Neutrality will force the telco's to give The Internet away to Bandwidth Hogs". They claim that bandwidth hogs steal all the bandwidth and cause network congestion, and therefore their behaviour harms all the other regular and peaceful law-abiding users. And to add insult to injury they pay the same price as the others! No, policing and rationing must be applied by the benevolent telco to protect the innocent.

Unfortunately, to the best of our knowledge, the way that telcos identify the Bandwidth Hogs is not by monitoring if they cause unfair traffic congestion for other users. No, they just measure the total data downloaded per user, list the top 5% and call them hogs.

For those service providers with data caps, these are usually set around 50 Gbyte and go up to 150 Gbyte a month. This is therefore a good indication of the level of bandwidth at which you start being considered a "hog". But wait: 50 Gbyte a month is… 150 kbps average (0,15 Mbps), 150 Gbyte a month is 450 kbps on average. If you have a 10 Mbps link, that's only 1,5 % or 4,5 % of its maximum advertised speed!

And that would be "hogging"?

The fact is that what most telcos call hogs are simply people who overall and on average download more than others. Blaming them for network congestion is actually an admission that telcos are uncomfortable with the 'all you can eat' broadband schemes that they themselves introduced on the market to get people to subscribe. In other words, the marketing push to get people to subscribe to broadband worked, but now the telcos see a missed opportunity at price discrimination...

As Herman explains in his post, TCP/IP is by definition an egalitarian protocol. Implemented well, it should result in an equal distribution of available bandwidth in the operator's network between end-users; so the concept of a bandwidth hog is by definition an impossibility. An end-user can download all his access line will sustain when the network is comparatively empty, but as soon as it fills up from other users' traffic, his own download (or upload) rate will diminish until it's no bigger than what anyone else gets.

Now I'm pretty sure that many telcos will disagree with our assessment of this. So here's a challenge for them: in the next few days, I will specify on this blog a standard dataset that would enable me to do an in-depth data analysis into network usage by individual users. Any telco willing to actually understand what's happening there and to answer the question on the existence of hogs once and for all can extract that data and send it over to me, I will analyse it for free, on my spare time. All I ask is that they let me publish the results of said research (even though their names need not be mentioned if they don't wish it to be). Of course, if I find myself to be wrong and if indeed I manage to identify users that systematically degrade the experience for other users, I will say so publicly. If, as I suspect, there are no such users, I will also say so publicly. The data will back either of these assertions.

Please email me if you're interested. And please publicise this offer if you're not in a position to extract such a dataset but are still interested in the answer. This is a much more important question than knowing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin!


Reprinted with permission from Fiberevolution; written in collaboration with Dadamotive. Megahog source image from the AP via TheAge

[mazda lover]

^ that we call is a leacher... no benefit to the community at all.

True couldn't agree more, but he has never been band yet from any torrent sites. .