Wrote off my car today!

[angelina]

What the heck is going on? I got sideswiped by a transport trailer today. He was stopped, his truck going OUT the incoming lane. I pull up in my exit lane, which was free and clear. ONLY one lane to exit from and I was in it! He starts turning right! I was stationary! And I was there for up to 10 seconds BEFORE he started his turn.

Insurance Company says I'm 100% at fault for the accident! I wasn't even MOVING and the witness backs me up. WTF? I hit a moose on the road and I'm at fault, yet he hits a stationary vehicle and gets a walk?

I'll take this to the Supreme court if I have to! Does this make any sense to you? I just pulled up in my lane and waited for a clear view of the traffic. He crossed into my lane while turning onto the road.

Did they just give him the right to commit vehicular homicide? Wow. This is a new rule. I wonder how it will affect future accidents?

Am I missing something here? Let me know what you think. Thanks.

[PCLoadLetter]

If you weren't moving and you have a witness, I'm sure there's nothing to worry about. Best of luck and sorry to hear about your car!

[STeeLy]

Did he have his right signal on?

Did the transport have this sign?
http://signs-decals.com/images/Wide-Turn-Truck-Decals-Stickers-DOT.jpg

If so, I am sorry but I am going to agree with your insurance company on that.

[blankets3]

Did he have his right signal on?

Did the transport have this sign?
http://signs-decals.com/images/Wide-Turn-Truck-Decals-Stickers-DOT.jpg

If so, I am sorry but I am going to agree with your insurance company on that.

yea... thats why i never go near trucks even on slight bends on the highway

[-cj-]

Not sure how it should be handled... I mean, yes you should not have been in the position indicated by the above 'Caution' sign (assuming you were), but at the same time you can't just slap a sign on your truck and hit othe cars. WATCH the road. I should get a sign that warns other drives 'Caution, I tend to hit other cars when I'm feeling like a new car.' and go nuts... ;)

[Noisy Crow]

Truck driving the wrong way? Right turn from the left lane? Hitting stationary object? I don't see how it's your fault.

[philipfreire]

Did you honk your horn? Ever decide to put in reverse when you saw him turning?

A tracker trailer requires a lot of room to make a turn. The usually indicate with their signal that they are turning and will check all their mirrors which covers their blind spots. To me this is a 50/50 at fault.

[STeeLy]

Not sure how it should be handled... I mean, yes you should not have been in the position indicated by the above 'Caution' sign (assuming you were), but at the same time you can't just slap a sign on your truck and hit othe cars. WATCH the road. I should get a sign that warns other drives 'Caution, I tend to hit other cars when I'm feeling like a new car.' and go nuts... ;)

Remember though, The truck was there before she was... I'll bet by the time she pulled up to the exit lane, he was finished checking the road and just began his turn as she begins to stop at the exit lane. If the truck had the signal for a right turn on and she didn't see it, I am going to call the fault on the car driver and not the transport truck

[ShortBus]

so he was at the lights creeping a little into traffic while you pulled up beside him in the turning lane?

did you miss his turn signals? either way trucks have huge blind spots if i can i try not to be right beside them either behind or ahead a few metres.

[towelsnap]

so he was at the lights creeping a little into traffic while you pulled up beside him in the turning lane?

did you miss his turn signals? either way trucks have huge blind spots if i can i try not to be right beside them either behind or ahead a few metres.

+1

[angelina]

Remember though, The truck was there before she was... I'll bet by the time she pulled up to the exit lane, he was finished checking the road and just began his turn as she begins to stop at the exit lane. If the truck had the signal for a right turn on and she didn't see it, I am going to call the fault on the car driver and not the transport truck

Ya, I could have been more "aware." I'll give you that. I did say that I was there for a bit before he began his turn though. He WAS exiting from the incoming lane.

My car has a signal too. If I'm driving down the 401 and signalling a "lane change" and you happen not to see my signal, can I cross into your lane and create an accident? It would be your fault. You didn't see my signal. I think I might just get myself a semi. That is if the "rules of the road" are different for trucks.

Just trying to "clarify" this in my mind. Thanx for your input, I appreciate all comments.

[Krazy]

Ya, I could have been more "aware." I'll give you that. I did say that I was there for a bit before he began his turn though. He WAS exiting from the incoming lane.

My car has a signal too. If I'm driving down the 401 and signalling a "lane change" and you happen not to see my signal, can I cross into your lane and create an accident? It would be your fault. You didn't see my signal. I think I might just get myself a semi. That is if the "rules of the road" are different for trucks.

Just trying to "clarify" this in my mind. Thanx for your input, I appreciate all comments.


Yeah must be tough. Thanks for writing tho.
Helps people like me who are noobs :)

[crystal8484]

If I'm driving down the 401 and signalling a "lane change" and you happen not to see my signal, can I cross into your lane and create an accident? It would be your fault.

You can't just assume everyone sees you. A signal doesn't grant you access to the lane - which is what really grinds my gears. "Oh hey, I'm signalling and there is 4 inches for me to merge, don't miiiiiind if I do!!" NO. flippin' wait until there is some space jackass!! You still have to be sure it's appropriate to merge!!

p.s not calling you a jackass, just as an example of people thinking their turn signal is the all righteous pass into another lane...

[angelina]

+1

I was not suicidal at the time...lol. I try not to arm wrestle transports....they WILL win! Accidents just happen. No "intent to kill!"

I just thought that if I hit a pole, or a moose on the road, I'm automatically at fault. Yet a transport can hit a stationary vehicle and be 0% at fault?

I'm sorry officer, but the kid was in my blind spot. So was the pole. I guess I'm wrong, but I was taught that you are responsible for the "care and control of your own vehicle." Especially when you hit a stationary object! Blaming the "object" for being there is negating "your own" responsibility.

Wow! Imagine the 401 when truckers have free reign of the highway. Someone is ALWAYS in their blind spot. Bumper to bumper. Just signal and go!

Why do they need to go to a "professional" driving school then?

Last time I checked the driver handbook it said "signalling is an intent to turn, not a right of way." That was yesterday. Maybe it's changed?

Thanx for your comment.

[angelina]

You can't just assume everyone sees you. A signal doesn't grant you access to the lane - which is what really grinds my gears. "Oh hey, I'm signalling and there is 4 inches for me to merge, don't miiiiiind if I do!!" NO. flippin' wait until there is some space jackass!! You still have to be sure it's appropriate to merge!!

p.s not calling you a jackass, just as an example of people thinking their turn signal is the all righteous pass into another lane...

A signal is an INTENT to turn. A COURTESY to other driver's. IT IS NOT A RIGHT OF WAY! Even for large trucks. We ALL have blind spots, but WE are responsible for those BLIND SPOTS. As well, truck drivers are too!

I am assuming that is why they are required to go to a PROFESSIONAL Training School. They are schooled in the dangers of leaving lanes open, setting up your wide right turn correctly, thus indicating their intent by partially blocking BOTH lanes.

That is just my take. But hell, I`m not the Insurance Industry.

Thanx for the comment.

[angelina]

yea... thats why i never go near trucks even on slight bends on the highway

The truck did not have any signs. He could have also made his turn safely, from his position. He cut sharply across my lane, after the witness said I was beside him for ùp to 10 seconds before he started his turn. Is there no point in which he would have seen me had he checked his mirrors? I did honk. Reversing my vehicle would have made me responsible for another accident!

Thanx for the comment.

[towelsnap]

"signalling is an intent to turn, not a right of way." .

couldn't agree more ... I know your mad/upset I'd be too I do hope things turn around and in your favor. Their "school" (trucks) is like 50,000 + if I'm not mistaken

[STeeLy]

Ya, I could have been more "aware." I'll give you that. I did say that I was there for a bit before he began his turn though. He WAS exiting from the incoming lane.

My car has a signal too. If I'm driving down the 401 and signalling a "lane change" and you happen not to see my signal, can I cross into your lane and create an accident? It would be your fault. You didn't see my signal. I think I might just get myself a semi. That is if the "rules of the road" are different for trucks.

Just trying to "clarify" this in my mind. Thanx for your input, I appreciate all comments.

I'm certainly not saying rules of the road are different for trucks.

This is a tough spot for you to be in, because if there wasn't a "this truck takes wide turns" sign, I probably be in something similar to what happened to you.

If the truck could turn safely into the other lane without having to go wide, then yeah, it is definitely their fault. If not, it's hard to say.

[towelsnap]

Where did the driver (truck) hit on your car (point of impact)? Est. damage? And do you have any pics of the car?

[jaimie08mazda3]

Okay I must agree with alot of the people. If he saw you then obviously but if he was turning and you got in his way.... well you gotta watch out for those things. I understand what you mean about big trucks. I had one all the way from the exit from the 401 to Guelph Line on my ass. It is scary but when I see a truck moving I reverse as much as I possibly can. If he has the right of way then you are SOL.. I don't know take it to court and see how it happens. Glad your okay and sucks that the car is totalled. But at least you aren't hurt... or dead... as someone has told me when I was in my 2nd accident, cars can be replaced.. people can't.

[Noisy Crow]

Relevant, although not necessarily in a happy way:
http://www.ellenroseman.com/?p=60

[Walrus]

Why don't you try explaining it a little better?


He was stopped, his truck going OUT the incoming lane

What does that mean? Incoming lane from where or to where?


I pull up in my exit lane, which was free and clear.

Exit lane to where? What type of road were you on? Exiting into where?

[jaimie08mazda3]

I think we need diagrams :chuckle. I am too having a hard time understanding the whole situation. But if I think it is how its going on in my head you were in the wrong

[kevcol74]

Think of it this way, 2 way street, truck was in the oncoming lane to make a right turn, probably it was a sharp one. OP drive up to the stop sign on his right, truck doesn't see him and clips him.

Personally I was being a fly on the wall here... but in all honesty, from experience, I never drive up on the right of a truck making a right hand turn, even if its a double turn lane. They are going to turn into the inside lane, they cannot make a right turn like a car! Sorry about your luck, but it was simply a bad decision on your part OP.He was watching for a clearing to go, not for a little Mazda to pull up beside him where he can't see you.

[jaimie08mazda3]

Think of it this way, 2 way street, truck was in the oncoming lane to make a right turn, probably it was a sharp one. OP drive up to the stop sign on his right, truck doesn't see him and clips him.

Personally I was being a fly on the wall here... but in all honesty, from experience, I never drive up on the right of a truck making a right hand turn, even if its a double turn lane. They are going to turn into the inside lane, they cannot make a right turn like a car! Sorry about your luck, but it was simply a bad decision on your part OP.He was watching for a clearing to go, not for a little Mazda to pull up beside him where he can't see you.

+1 NOW if you owned a Nissan Quest he may be able to see it but would still hit it :chuckle. But its true the mazda3 is like 1/14 the size of that truck he checks a few times thinks people are going to realize the truck is going to turn and go... but somethings happen.. like this case.

[Ogata]

:ttiwwp

We need some pictures to support the theories!

[angelina]

Why don't you try explaining it a little better?



What does that mean? Incoming lane from where or to where?



Exit lane to where? What type of road were you on? Exiting into where?

The road to enter/exit a parking lot is called a thoroughfare. There is one lane to exit and one lane to enter. He was going "out" the "in" lane. We were both leaving the parking lot onto the road.

It was customary for cars turning left to use the incoming lane as an "exit" as it is a busy industrial area. Although not legal to use that lane to exit, it emptied the parking lot more quickly after shift change. As I had used this exit lane to turn right for 8 year, seeing vehicles use this lane to turn left was not unusual.

My (exit) lane was free and clear, unobstructed. I was stopped, and stationary for up to ten seconds before I was hit.

This accident is like someone turning onto a "one way" street, hitting another vehicle and blaming them for not seeing their signal!

Does this help you see a little better? Thanx for the comment.

[angelina]

Think of it this way, 2 way street, truck was in the oncoming lane to make a right turn, probably it was a sharp one. OP drive up to the stop sign on his right, truck doesn't see him and clips him.

Personally I was being a fly on the wall here... but in all honesty, from experience, I never drive up on the right of a truck making a right hand turn, even if its a double turn lane. They are going to turn into the inside lane, they cannot make a right turn like a car! Sorry about your luck, but it was simply a bad decision on your part OP.He was watching for a clearing to go, not for a little Mazda to pull up beside him where he can't see you.

He's driving the "wrong way" down a road and doesn't check to see if someone drives up in their designated lane? I'm at fault for driving up in my own lane? Lol. HE'S DRIVING THE WRONG WAY DOWN THE STREET AND I'M SUPPOSED TO GUESS WHAT HIS NEXT MOVE IS? Too much.

Thanx for the comment though.

[angelina]

+1 NOW if you owned a Nissan Quest he may be able to see it but would still hit it :chuckle. But its true the mazda3 is like 1/14 the size of that truck he checks a few times thinks people are going to realize the truck is going to turn and go... but somethings happen.. like this case.

I guess you've never heard of care and control of your vehicle? Maybe someone has to drive over your family in order for you to understand. Chuckle. I wouldn't laugh if you were almost killed. Watch what you say, it could happen to you!

[Walrus]

Ahh.. I see. The truck was going out the incoming lane, so he had room to turn right and not drive over the curb. You pulled up beside him and he turned right in front of you, hitting you with the trailer.

Was his turn signal not on indicating a right turn?

[angelina]

+1 NOW if you owned a Nissan Quest he may be able to see it but would still hit it :chuckle. But its true the mazda3 is like 1/14 the size of that truck he checks a few times thinks people are going to realize the truck is going to turn and go... but somethings happen.. like this case.

The post whore thing was not necessary. You have no class.

[Noisy Crow]

The post whore thing was not necessary. You have no class.


So far everyone has been polite. Let's keep this to the topic at hand and avoid personal attacks.......

Thanks.

[kevcol74]

Ahh.. I see. The truck was going out the incoming lane, so he had room to turn right and not drive over the curb. You pulled up beside him and he turned right in front of you, hitting you with the trailer.

Was his turn signal not on indicating a right turn?

+1 This is exactly my question and what my comment is based on. If the truck had his signal to turn right on, then you never pull right up beside them. If you are dumb enough to pull beside them when their signal is on, then you deserve to have the front of your car run over! Maybe you were in a rush and didn't see the signal, maybe you just ignored it.
Here, some reading for you:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/topics/shareroad.shtml

"At intersections, drivers of long trucks that are turning right may move into the left lane to avoid hitting the curb as they turn. If you ignore the truck's turn signals and pull up on its right side, you may be squeezed between the truck and the curb as it makes the turn."

[x_o_k_x]

To note a few posts there: If the truck decides to change a lane on a highway, you as a car driver have to make sure its clear for him to change the lane. For a truck driver, he has to make sure its safe to do so. The bigger the truck/bus the more you have to yeild, They cant go same speed as all other cars nor they can accelarate as fast as cars, so you need to yeild its common sence.

And hitting a deer last time I checked was not at your fault, deers do come out out of nowhere lol. Now if you hit a pole, then it is your fault because poles dont move, unless you slid because of ice surface then its different story.

[towelsnap]

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/towelsnap/crash.jpg

So if this is the case and without knowing the location/(I don't even live in T.O or your area ) taking what you have said "and my understanding" . This is what the situation may have looked like ? Yes .. NO?

NOW IF you got there first.... and he came up in the "IN" lane and made the turn and causing this..... He is at fault

IF you arrived and he was turning and/or had his signal on.. you pulled up waited 10 seconds he turned and HE WAS THERE FIRST .... I'm sorry but no one else is to blame but you... ..... which would lead to a face palm.

Lots of ppl will have opinions , we are not trying to be rude or anything just better understand what has happened to you


+1 This is exactly my question and what my comment is based on. If the truck had his signal to turn right on, then you never pull right up beside them. If you are dumb enough to pull beside them when their signal is on, then you deserve to have the front of your car run over! Maybe you were in a rush and didn't see the signal, maybe you just ignored it.
Here, some reading for you:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/topics/shareroad.shtml

"At intersections, drivers of long trucks that are turning right may move into the left lane to avoid hitting the curb as they turn. If you ignore the truck's turn signals and pull up on its right side, you may be squeezed between the truck and the curb as it makes the turn."

couldn't say it better..... if that is the case... GOLD STAR LOL

[jaimie08mazda3]

I guess you've never heard of care and control of your vehicle? Maybe someone has to drive over your family in order for you to understand. Chuckle. I wouldn't laugh if you were almost killed. Watch what you say, it could happen to you!

I have heard of care and control. I have had an accident. I have almost been killed because I didn't see black ice and put the car 10 ft into a ditch hitting a rock and a tree. Don't tell me that. I wasn't being mean and I apologize if you thought I was being negative. Not to mention you saying I have no class. You basically quoted the same post twice and told me I had no class. That was a joke for Kevin and he understood what I meant. Anyway I didn't understand at all what had happened. And it is not just me who is confused on how this occured. I did say that it is good that you were okay and that cars can be replaced but people can't. And it's true. Yea your insurance will go up but at least your still here even if you do not win the situation in court *if it even goes into court*. Good luck because it won't be an easy battle.

[mazdabetty]

The post whore thing was not necessary. You have no class.

Don't worry that's just his signature, he's calling himself a post whore... lol :chuckle

[MajesticBlueNTO]

truck drivers rely exclusively on their mirrors to see around them so, for future reference, when you're driving by a truck pulling a trailer, if you can't see the driver in his/her mirrors, they cannot see you.

[jaimie08mazda3]

Don't worry that's just his signature, he's calling himself a post whore... lol :chuckle

Is that what she is referring to?! LOL.

[JonsMazda]

Best of luck Angelina

[jaimie08mazda3]

I guess this thread is done then... I really want to know what she meant lol

[JashiK]

jaimie it's simple... u have no class muhahaha

[jaimie08mazda3]

HAAAAAAAAARSH... LOL I just find it funny that she didn't look hard. I don't like being called something when people just think they see something and immediately react... Like hooooow long has my Sig been like that haha. Ahhh well.

[towelsnap]

no one liked my pic? lol that's what I thought what happened..

[angelina]

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/towelsnap/crash.jpg

So if this is the case and without knowing the location/(I don't even live in T.O or your area ) taking what you have said "and my understanding" . This is what the situation may have looked like ? Yes .. NO?

NOW IF you got there first.... and he came up in the "IN" lane and made the turn and causing this..... He is at fault

IF you arrived and he was turning and/or had his signal on.. you pulled up waited 10 seconds he turned and HE WAS THERE FIRST .... I'm sorry but no one else is to blame but you... ..... which would lead to a face palm.

Lots of ppl will have opinions , we are not trying to be rude or anything just better understand what has happened to you



couldn't say it better..... if that is the case... GOLD STAR LOL

So what you are saying is a truck, just because of its size, is not responsible for its blind spot? I guess I need a bigger truck! Lol. Now, if he changes lanes on the 401, and you happen to be in his blind spot, he has the right to run you down? There are no "special" rules for transports, or RV's or motorhomes. You cross into someone's designated lane, whether they are stationary or moving, signal or no signal, YOU ar at fault. We all have blind spots! We can signal all we want! But we cannot change lanes until we have first "ascertained whether it is safe to do so." The rules of the road apply to ALL vehicles.

I would appreciate it if you could show me these special rules for truck. There are "safe driving" tips for cars as well as trucks, but the LAWS are the same for ALL vehicles.

Thanks for your comments. Appreciate the feedback.

[W_L89]

how bad is the damage to ur car?

[kevcol74]

So what you are saying is a truck, just because of its size, is not responsible for its blind spot? I guess I need a bigger truck! Lol. Now, if he changes lanes on the 401, and you happen to be in his blind spot, he has the right to run you down? There are no "special" rules for transports, or RV's or motorhomes. You cross into someone's designated lane, whether they are stationary or moving, signal or no signal, YOU ar at fault. We all have blind spots! We can signal all we want! But we cannot change lanes until we have first "ascertained whether it is safe to do so." The rules of the road apply to ALL vehicles.

I would appreciate it if you could show me these special rules for truck. There are "safe driving" tips for cars as well as trucks, but the LAWS are the same for ALL vehicles.

Thanks for your comments. Appreciate the feedback.

Whoever you got your driver training from, go back and ask for a refund if thats where you learned to think like this.
A: you pulled up on the right of a truck with a right turn signal on
B: You KNEW he was in the oncoming lane and failed to think "whats wrong with this picture?" And ignored the signs of common sense.

I'm sorry, but I have no real simpathy for you, just your car.

[mazda lover]

Whoever you got your driver training from, go back and ask for a refund if thats where you learned to think like this.
A: you pulled up on the right of a truck with a right turn signal on
B: You KNEW he was in the oncoming lane and failed to think "whats wrong with this picture?" And ignored the signs of common sense.

I'm sorry, but I have no real simpathy for you, just your car.


what is the definition of "common sense" does anybody know? I think you will get a different answer from everybody,

[aris]

Whoever you got your driver training from, go back and ask for a refund if thats where you learned to think like this.
A: you pulled up on the right of a truck with a right turn signal on
B: You KNEW he was in the oncoming lane and failed to think "whats wrong with this picture?" And ignored the signs of common sense.

I'm sorry, but I have no real simpathy for you, just your car.

+1

[kevcol74]

^ Aristeidis has common sense.... :chuckle


what is the definition of "common sense" does anybody know? I think you will get a different answer from everybody,

[jaimie08mazda3]

With that logic basically someone who has 60 ft behind him shoullld be able to see everything. Know how there is a blindspot in your car? for trucks it' is pretty well the whole trailer. And I still want to know how you think I have no class. Before Katimavik I drove on the 401 and have driven around trucks alot *used to work in factories and Ford in Oakville* and I always gave them the room. Its like when your at a stoplight in a 4 lane intersection and the truck on the right of you is turning to the lane beside you. You stay there and watch him hit you? NOOOOOOO You move back because his 60 ft truck beats your 8 ft car. Its the exact same logic.

[aris]

With that logic basically someone who has 60 ft behind him shoullld be able to see everything. Know how there is a blindspot in your car? for trucks it' is pretty well the whole trailer. And I still want to know how you think I have no class. Before Katimavik I drove on the 401 and have driven around trucks alot *used to work in factories and Ford in Oakville* and I always gave them the room. Its like when your at a stoplight in a 4 lane intersection and the truck on the right of you is turning to the lane beside you. You stay there and watch him hit you? NOOOOOOO You move back because his 60 ft truck beats your 8 ft car. Its the exact same logic.

Jamie i think you have plenty class..i wouldn't worrie what this person has to say....i been reading through this thread and clearly you can see that this person will not put it through their head that what they have done is wrong:)

[jaimie08mazda3]

Soo true Aristedis... I CAN SPELL YOUR NAME FINE BUT YOU CAN'T SPELL MINE RIGHT LOL.. Just kidding. But I just wish some people would understand what I am trying to say.

[aris]

Soo true Aristedis... I CAN SPELL YOUR NAME FINE BUT YOU CAN'T SPELL MINE RIGHT LOL.. Just kidding. But I just wish some people would understand what I am trying to say.

My name is spelled A R I S T E I D I S:chuckle

[jaimie08mazda3]

Dammit.

[mazdabetty]

Jamie i think you have plenty class..i wouldn't worry what this person has to say....I've been reading through this thread and clearly you can see that this person will not put it through their head that what they have done is wrong:)

First of all, spelling corrected. omg. And Jamie, again, she said you have "no class" assuming the "post whore" was directed at her.

Second of all, aristeidis, that's just you agreeing (or "+1-ing" someone else's opinion, as per usual). If this was you in this situation, your opinion might change!

She is understandably upset, and whether or not she is correct, her argument is valid. It was dangerous enough for him to be driving in the WRONG LANE in the first place, even though he might not have had enough room to make the turn in the proper lane. She should still have the right of way, as she was in the CORRECT LANE. And the driver of the truck should have been more aware of other vehicles who might be approaching in their proper designated lane beside him. Let alone the fact that she wasn't even moving and he still hit her? I can't really see how he DIDN'T see her, considering she was in front of him at that point.

She never actually said whether or not he was signaling, (unless I missed that part), which might help your argument with your insurance company, Angelina. You're right, even if he was signaling, it shouldn't automatically give the right of way in any situation. Unfortunately, according to some of the posts made here, the law supposedly says it does with larger vehicles.

In this situation, if anything, you might both be equally at fault. Both could have been more aware, but there are a lot of angles to come at this with. You might have some valid arguments with your insurance company. IE was he signaling? What is a truck in a parking lot that isn't equipped for a vehicle that size doing there in the first place? You were holding up traffic perhaps waiting there for so long for him to make a move, assuming he was giving you the right of way? I dunno. It's a shitty situation to be in, and I do hope things work out for you. Seems like you have many witnesses who were ACTUALLY THERE and not making assumptions online, who agree with you and were willing to vouch for you.

Good luck with everything.

[jaimie08mazda3]

Oh I know the post whore was what she thought I said... but she hadn't responded to that so it kind of makes me mad for someone to say that then not apologize for being rude... I dunno. But either way it will all work out with insurance... plus her insurance shouldn't go up unless she is under twenty five.

[aris]

First of all, spelling corrected. omg. And Jamie, again, she said you have "no class" assuming the "post whore" was directed at her.

Second of all, aristeidis, that's just you agreeing (or "+1-ing" someone else's opinion, as per usual). If this was you in this situation, your opinion might change!


Thanks for correcting my spelling:)

as for the rest :blah:blah:blah:blah:loco:loco:loco:loco:loco:loco

My opionion would not change cause i know trucks take wide turns..I know so many people that are truck drivers and they tell me about the idiot drivers that can not grassp the concepet that they need to take wide right turns..which is why they have a sticker on the back of their trailers that says they take wide right turns

I'm done with this thread..hope you have a Merry Christmas mazdabetty:loco


As for angelina sorry this happened to you and hopefully you get everything straighted out:)

[kevcol74]

She is understandably upset, and whether or not she is correct, her argument is valid. It was dangerous enough for him to be driving in the WRONG LANE in the first place, even though he might not have had enough room to make the turn in the proper lane. She should still have the right of way, as she was in the CORRECT LANE. And the driver of the truck should have been more aware of other vehicles who might be approaching in their proper designated lane beside him. Let alone the fact that she wasn't even moving and he still hit her? I can't really see how he DIDN'T see her, considering she was in front of him at that point.

She never actually said whether or not he was signaling, (unless I missed that part), which might help your argument with your insurance company, Angelina. You're right, even if he was signaling, it shouldn't automatically give the right of way in any situation. Unfortunately, according to some of the posts made here, the law supposedly says it does with larger vehicles.

In this situation, if anything, you might both be equally at fault. Both could have been more aware, but there are a lot of angles to come at this with. You might have some valid arguments with your insurance company. IE was he signaling? What is a truck in a parking lot that isn't equipped for a vehicle that size doing there in the first place? You were holding up traffic perhaps waiting there for so long for him to make a move, assuming he was giving you the right of way? I dunno. It's a shitty situation to be in, and I do hope things work out for you. Seems like you have many witnesses who were ACTUALLY THERE and not making assumptions online, who agree with you and were willing to vouch for you.

Good luck with everything.

Truck drivers do this for a reason, one being they can't make a tight right turn, this is taught to you in driver's education as well as was part of the written test for your license (when i did it anyways). Also, by blocking the incoming lane the truck driver creates a favourable situation for themselves to get out. Traffic cannot come in, therefore wil stop and create an opening for the truck to get out.
The OP never said they were in front of the truck, but that they pulled up beside it. If you check the link i posted a while back, you will see a picture showing a truck's blind spots. She has the nerve to pull into the truck's blind spot, then bitch that he didn't check them before proceeding.... Maybe its just me, but don't they call it a "blind spot" because they CANNOT SEE THERE??? Should they jump over into the passenger seat, stick their head out the window and check before proceeding? If thats what you expect, then driving on the 401 may become very difficult!!! They rely on their mirror as thats all they have!!
The truck driver was watching for traffic to get out, and they are expected to also be checking their mirrors constantly too to notice some little 12' car pulling up beside them nopt giving the vehicle that was there first the right of way? Not every truck driver can be like Wayne Gretzky and have eyes in the back of their heads! OP made a bad decision, shlt happens. Get over it, learn from it, and move on. Will the truck driver be more cautious now? Likely yes.
Truck drivers are some of the best drivers on the road. You can sit there and bitch about them, but you aren't the one in control of 40 tonnes rolling down the highway. Treat them with respect, and you'll see alot less accidents on the road. The other day on the way into Toronto, 2 different locations of jack-knifed semis.... If you know why a semi jack-knofes, you'll know someone cut them off, not that they were driving wrong.

Like Aristeidis, I'm done with this thread, done :bang at what the OP says to justify her own actions. When it happens a second or thrid time, amybe then she will start to understand!

[angelina]

To note a few posts there: If the truck decides to change a lane on a highway, you as a car driver have to make sure its clear for him to change the lane. For a truck driver, he has to make sure its safe to do so. The bigger the truck/bus the more you have to yeild, They cant go same speed as all other cars nor they can accelarate as fast as cars, so you need to yeild its common sence.

And hitting a deer last time I checked was not at your fault, deers do come out out of nowhere lol. Now if you hit a pole, then it is your fault because poles dont move, unless you slid because of ice surface then its different story.

Now if you hit a pole, you are at fault! A pole doesn't move. It's stationary. SO WAS I.

I too have a blind spot in my car. Can I use that same defence when I run another car off the road? Signal and go?......well I had my signal on........he is at fault for not seeing my signal........plus, he was in my blind spot!

Anyone know where this seperate rule book is for transports? The rules of the road apply to ALL vehicles....regardless of SIZE........LOL.

[ElegantGremlin]

Now if you hit a pole, you are at fault! A pole doesn't move. It's stationary. SO WAS I.

Poles are permanently stationary, you are not.


I too have a blind spot in my car. Can I use that same defence when I run another car off the road?

Your blind spots aren't the size of cars.

[bman13]

I feel bad for you Angelina but, if he was just sitting there waiting 10 yrs to turn and you have a witness, not sure what could happen but you never know. Just keeping fighting it with the insurance company. Tell him you have a witness to the driver of the transport and how he was just sitting there waiting for the season to change.

Having actually been clipped like 5 or more years back by a douchebag transport, I know the frustration your experiencing...mind you the car I was driving wasnt written off but still, damage was done. I have family who drive trucks but to tell you the truth, I could care less if I see one in dire need of help...a lot of em tend to drive like idiots cause they know we'll adjust to their stupidity even if they ARE NOT following the rules of the road.

Signed, sympathizer

[n00bMeiSter]

Wow, this was frustrating to read.

Angelina, I give you the utmost respect, however, you are at fault. Here is why:

What you are failing to realize is this: The truck had the right of way. He was there first, not you.

IF his turn signal was not on, then you may have some room to fight. But the fact remains, the truck was there first (giving him the right of way) and you KNOW that he makes wide right turns but proceeded to pull up onto his right anyway. Which puts you directly in the path of his transport when it turns. (Yes I know neither of you were moving when you pulled up.).

To get your drivers license you had to be able to tell the ministry that you understand transport and large vehicles make wide right turns. ALL large vehicles that are too large to make a normal right turn have a sticker on the back (the side of the vehicle which you had to pass to get to the end of the thoroughfare) stating clearly "CAUTION: VEHICLE MAKES WIDE RIGHT TURNS".

You seem like a VERY competent and knowledgeable person, you seem to be well versed in the rules of the road. So you should know by now that the truck had the right of way. I'm really sorry for you, it sucks BIG TIME that your car was totaled, and that this happened to you at all. However, once you noticed him starting to turn, you should have tried to move out of the way, instead of just honking. Even if it means bumping the car behind you, or driving on to the grass, at least you would have avoided writing off your car. It's good that you were not hurt. Vehicles can be replaced, human lives cannot.

The truck driver should have been constantly checking his mirrors, or at the very least checked them one last time before he started to move. However, from the sounds of things, that may not have been helpful in this case, as your car could have been completely obstructed by the passenger door to the Cab.

No one here is saying that trucks and large vehicles have the right to do what they want. But us smaller vehicles need to yield the right of way to them because it's easier for us to move around than it is for them. We need to give them a little more room, and a little more courtesy. No one likes being stuck behind a truck, but it's better than being stuck under a truck.

I'm glad to hear you are okay and that no one was hurt.
Best of luck in your battle.