F2 Supercharger for MZ3

[mazdilla]

Yes, I did a search here and there is no thread, so...

:FYI smiley

F2 has released their SC for the Mazda 3. Check it out:

http://www.f2usa.com/products/04%252d05-Mazda3-Supercharger-Kit-2.3-Manual-Stage-1.html

There's a thread with some pics on M3F. It's some 27 pages long, but the first page is interesting all the same:

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=149830.0

It's pricey, but a helluva lot cheaper upgrade than buying a used MS3.

I know, I know, turbo vs. SC and all that, but that's not the point. Here's another upgrade option made available to us otherwise forelorn MZ3 owners that is plug and play, and somewhat affordable if you have three jobs and live in your car. Watch out Civic owners!!

Watchathink???

:pop

[iGOzoom]

Thats awesome, minus the fact that its so expensive and would probably need high maintenance to keep up with

[Thrizzl3]

no love for the 2.0?

[Kevin@nextmod]

Watch out Civic owners!!


umm... i can tell you a 06-10 civic si with I/H/E and hondata ecu reflash gives out 210whp. And its half the price of that supercharger.

The RSX type S with hondata kpro and I/H/E will give even more. And these cars are still NA.

And i think you still need something to tune your car after installing the supercharger right? If so thats more money

I have looked at a supercharger for my car myself and i got quoted about $6k installed and tuned. Thats with the supercharger itself, flashpro real time tune, installation. And gives out 260whp. But its way too expensive so i just dropped off the plan.

[Hives]

Too expensive. Install and tune will be $$$$

[mazdilla]

... And i think you still need something to tune your car after installing the supercharger right? If so thats more money

... I have looked at a supercharger for my car myself and i got quoted about $6k installed and tuned...


Too expensive. Install and tune will be $$$$

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I know that I can read. Click on the link and ...

Read what it comes with:

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Kit Contains:

F2/Rotrex c30-94 belt driven supercharger.
F2 Supercharger Mount
Tensioner relocator
F2 Supercharger pulley
all necessary idler pulleys, all new hardware
Bypass valve, silicone couplers, t-type clamps, high flow air filter, Rotrex oil resevoir, Rotrex oil filter, Rotrex Traction Oil, instructions, and tech support avaiable during business hours.

Tuning is controlled by Kraftwerks Power card, using stock injectors, not cutting or splicing of factory harness. Unplug stock injectors and connect the Power Card, and your done. Fuel control is maintained by factory ecu, Vehicle responds like normal, until under pressure from supercharger, when card begins to add fuel accordingly.

No custom tuning for cold or hot weather as factory ecu modifies ignition/fuel tables like stock=Stock like response until throttle is opened to allow charger to create boost.

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As for install, DIY. No offense to our sponsors, as they have to make a living too, but common guys. It's only nuts and bolts using common tools. Do you always have to have someone do it for you? If so, then buy a bicycle with high handle bars (lip kit) and a banana seat with sissy bar (spoiler), put some carbon fiber streamers on the handle grips, duct tape a high intensity flashlight (HID) on the gooseneck, and fasten a couple of playing cards with clothes pins in the spokes (fart pipe). See ya on the 401.

[yearoftherat]

Too expensive. Install and tune will be $$$$

Take a look at the kits by Jackson Racing. They has been building S/C for Hondas, Miatas and Fords. Compared to them, the pricing is on par.

[Kevin@nextmod]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I know that I can read. Click on the link and ...

Read what it comes with:

__________________________________________________ _______

Kit Contains:

F2/Rotrex c30-94 belt driven supercharger.
F2 Supercharger Mount
Tensioner relocator
F2 Supercharger pulley
all necessary idler pulleys, all new hardware
Bypass valve, silicone couplers, t-type clamps, high flow air filter, Rotrex oil resevoir, Rotrex oil filter, Rotrex Traction Oil, instructions, and tech support avaiable during business hours.

Tuning is controlled by Kraftwerks Power card, using stock injectors, not cutting or splicing of factory harness. Unplug stock injectors and connect the Power Card, and your done. Fuel control is maintained by factory ecu, Vehicle responds like normal, until under pressure from supercharger, when card begins to add fuel accordingly.

No custom tuning for cold or hot weather as factory ecu modifies ignition/fuel tables like stock=Stock like response until throttle is opened to allow charger to create boost.

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As for install, DIY. No offense to our sponsors, they have to make a living too, but common guys. It's only nuts and bolts using common tools. Do you always have to have someone do it for you? If so, then buy a bicycle and put some carbon fiber streamers on the handle grips, duct tape a high intensity flashlight on the gooseneck, and fasten a couple of playing cards with clothes pins in the spokes (fart pipe).

Well then you're all set, what are you waiting for, go get it....

[3GFX]

Pricing is definitly on par. Especially with the engineering that went into the kit, they've been working on this for a while. I would say this is a reliable kit compared to the turbo kits out there. A feasable option for a 50hp boost. Its sad we don't have other options but this is the downfall of the mazda3 platform of tuning.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Take a look at the kits by Jackson Racing. They has been building S/C for Hondas, Miatas and Fords. Compared to them, the pricing is on par.

from reading the thread on M3F, Oscar Jackson (from Jackson Racing) had a lot of input into the design and tuning of the F2 SC kit.

if i didn't get an MS3, i would've put this in the old 3.

[mazdilla]

Well then you're all set, what are you waiting for, go get it....

Did you buy the bike yet?

[Kevin@nextmod]

I'll buy the bike for u when I see your mazda 3 on the side of the road with a blown engine how bout that?

[Kevin@nextmod]

Anyways I'll leave this thread back to u guys since my purpose here is not to start an argument. I'll look forward to see someone here with this.

[WhiteSpeed3]

I'll buy the bike for u when I see your mazda 3 on the side of the road with a blown engine how bout that?

hahaha pearly you make me laugh cuz u know those honda you love blow up all the time and i know of 3 ppl with the same SI as you and all 3 have gotten rid of them cuz there always at the dealer

[mazdilla]

I'll buy the bike for u when I see your mazda 3 on the side of the road with a blown engine how bout that?

Pearly, the pill cart comes by in twenty minutes.

Take two and it's all good!

I agree that's it's very expensive, but it's not $6 grand or the cost of a 'used' turbo Mazda. The Mazda 3's have only been out for a few years; hardly enough time for widespread R&D. Civils (pun intended) have been around for 30 years; so there's only about 1/2 million on the road and 4 million in the wrecking yards. You can't compare peaches (Mazdas) to lemons (Civils).

Just razzin' ya, bud.

:chuckle

[bbell1984]

so anyone have this ?

[Tokic_o]

^^^ lol if someone on TM3 already has it then damn you are quick !!!

interested in seeing how well this thing is made and how well our cars handle it...

[TheMAN]

hope a 2.0 version comes out eventually (just mostly a matter of tuning since the 2.3 and 2.0 are nearly the same)... my friend with a 2.0 might be interested eventually ;)

[xxSlidewaysxx]

hope a 2.0 version comes out eventually (just mostly a matter of tuning since the 2.3 and 2.0 are nearly the same)... my friend with a 2.0 might be interested eventually ;)

M3F has a thread, I believe they tried 2.0 and 2.3......

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=149830.0

[condor888000]

They plan to do all options, 2.3L and 2.0L, both automatic and manual.

I think it's very interesting, and the price isn't too bad. I won't ever get one, but at least more parts are being developed for this car.

[mazdilla]

M3F has a thread, I believe they tried 2.0 and 2.3......

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=149830.0

Thanks! That link is already in the start of this thread.

So, guys, simply link to the MF3 link and read page one. Most of your queries about the 2.0 and 2.3 will be answered.

Then for performance numbers, click to page 28 in the thread. :whoa

I'm saving my pennies and I'll have that gizmo by spring.

BTW - The fellow (ryukensfj) who started the M3F thread has this written in his I.D. sidebar:

"Sex should be like a Civic; slow, obscene, and loud enough for the neighbors to hear."

I thought you'd like that, Pearly. :chuckle

[Kevin@nextmod]

I would love to meet you at the track in the summer. =)

[condor888000]

I'd enjoy meeting you at the autox course next summer. I've beaten several Si's already, I'd love to add another to the kill list.

[SSmoked]

lots of beef in this thread LOL. ill take u all on in the 1/4mile.

the super charger for the 3 looks promising however i would not get one its too much money to be spending on a mazda.

[WhiteSpeed3]

dont worry about pearly guys hes got the civic disease that most of there drivers think they have the fastest car on the road

now i know the speed3 is a quick car and so is the SI but at least i can say there both pieces of shit... well every car is a shit box just some cost more

[mazdilla]

I would love to meet you at the track in the summer. =)

Should I bring my bicycle? It has streamers, playing cards in the spokes, monkey bars, a banana seat, and a recently installed basket on the front so I can pick up all those Honda parts that fall off.

;-)

Seriously though, Pearly, it's all in jest.

[iGOzoom]

recently installed basket on the front so i can pick up all those honda parts that fall off.

lmfao!!!!!!!

[Kevin@nextmod]

I'd enjoy meeting you at the autox course next summer. I've beaten several Si's already, I'd love to add another to the kill list.
I would actually want to try autox since i haven't really tried.


dont worry about pearly guys hes got the civic disease that most of there drivers think they have the fastest car on the road

now i know the speed3 is a quick car and so is the SI but at least i can say there both pieces of shit... well every car is a shit box just some cost more
Well i didn't really mentioned about my car being fast and in fact i dont find my car fast enough since i already want to get rid of it.


Should I bring my bicycle? It has streamers, playing cards in the spokes, monkey bars, a banana seat, and a recently installed basket on the front so I can pick up all those Honda parts that fall off.

;-)

Seriously though, Pearly, it's all in jest.

And as for parts falling off. I actually want to see parts falling off so then i can get a new car without feeling bad. I didn't choose a civic because its fast. I chose it because it fitted in my budget and it was cheaper then a speed3 and wanted to try driving a honda. To honestly tell you its actually really fun and stuff but its balls driving everyday on the roads with crap torque. But i do love the car when it picks up at 4500rpm and the high rev.

I'm still aiming for an AWD turbo car in the end.

[WhiteSpeed3]

well the STi is the way to go

[Kevin@nextmod]

Ideally yes but financially no. That thing is not cheap and with the plans I have now I won't even bother thinking about it

[iGOzoom]

I'd be happy if I had Pearly's car.. An Si was actually my first choice but ended up getting talked into a 3, not that I have any regrets tho i love my 3.

[WhiteSpeed3]

Ideally yes but financially no. That thing is not cheap and with the plans I have now I won't even bother thinking about it

get a beat up 22b body drop and sti motor and a paint job. maybe $15,000 and you got a sick car

[azn_outlaw]

I guess the Mazda3 could be like the ol days of the older gen Honda's

cheap, easy to find and many options to make some what power

But in the case of the Mazda3, power with torque

how much would be a 04-05 Mazda3 GT ?

You already got a great brake system, so no need to work on that just get some better pads.

With how much they are, little too no engine work needed to prep for supercharger

excellent platform for constant boost, and excellent power through the whole power band for the Mazda3.

why go turbo? Supercharger is so much fun...

I remember driving a Supercharged 1.6 SOHC D-series motor honda, hybrid Vtec motor (meaning non vtec block w/ a VTEC head)

damn that moved for a little EK....gave a lot of GSR's / SIR a run for the money!

vs that when I drove one with a turbo, just the feeling was not the same, I found the supercharger just much more smooth with power distribution....

great to see that this option is there and should add a big fun factor

plus an excellent alternative to a Speed3...

insurance savings is one thing to remember as well : D

[mazdilla]

well the STi is the way to go


Ideally yes but financially no. That thing is not cheap and with the plans I have now I won't even bother thinking about it

I'm with you there guys. A teacher I work with has a WRX STI wagon or hatch, whatever they call it, and paid over $40K.

Can you say?

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I'm seriously thinking about the F2 SC.

I already have the Eibach prokit and camber set to install this spring.
I have a new header - Draxas 4 to 1
Vibrant exhaust (pending)
Vibrant SB
I'll probably pick up some chassis braces as well.

Now back to the original thread. I imagine if one installs that SC on the 2.3, stronger engine mounts and a ETD would be required.
(Heh, heh, heh, more parts!)

As for my fellow co-worker with the STI ...

I'll blow his freakin' doors off at less than half the price. He's a mild-mannered school teacher; my manners ain't so good.

[Tokic_o]

with those numbers from the dynos, can you really blow the doors off that sti? lol

[mazdilla]

with those numbers from the dynos, can you really blow the doors off that sti? lol

Probably not. But he's not a driver either.

[casperwonder]

will the stage 1 S/C destroy your 2.0 ATX over time? At the same time, do you need to upgrade your break system to accommodate the added hps and torque? Thanks

[condor888000]

Go read the thread.

[laksman91]

with those numbers from the dynos, can you really blow the doors off that sti? lol

Highly unlikely. It does provide a good stepping stone to try to continue further

[SSmoked]

will the stage 1 S/C destroy your 2.0 ATX over time? At the same time, do you need to upgrade your break system to accommodate the added hps and torque? Thanks

a tranny cooler wouldnt hurt to be installed this way u prevent any problems in the future. i think the 2.0 is strong engough to take the stage 1, but for how long and how hard i dont know. and brakes i doubt it the mazda3 has some pretty beefy brakes to begin with.

[casperwonder]

Thanks SSmoke

[zakman]

well after reading mainly the hole 27 pages over the last few days, the fact that the 3-7 psi that the S/c wil be run at im sure will hardly hurt the 2.0 or 2.3 engine. the fact that it is CARB legel in all 50 states says something. i no there laws aren;t the same but still can be taken for some credit. its a very interetsing project and option instead of a turbo. im quit interetsed thats for sure.

[SSmoked]

well after reading mainly the hole 27 pages over the last few days, the fact that the 3-7 psi that the S/c wil be run at im sure will hardly hurt the 2.0 or 2.3 engine.

isnt the atmospherical pressure equlized at 8psi or sumthin. if its only running a small % of boost we wont have much to worry about

[zakman]

if its only running a small % of boost we wont have much to worry about
ya correct if it is such a small % of boost then it wont have trouble. also remeber we are higher in altitude so its actually thinner air less pressure. comparied to sea level. well minimal but ya. im sure that a company like F2 and Jackson would try to build something and promote it on the M3F and mazda communtiy if they felt problems would be evident and prominent

[Nextmod]

the price is not bad at all actually

if it does give 55 HP

[mazdilla]

They sent me some news and updates, but asked me not to tell you guys anything until it's confirmed.

Let's just say that the package will be more 'attractive' to buyers.

And there will be some news on the Stage 2 package as well.

Waiting!.....waiting....waiting............

[yearoftherat]

I hate waiting..

[condor888000]

Price update...

[iGOzoom]

just spill the beans, we wont tell :)

[mazdilla]

F2 lowered the price on the Stage 1 SC to $3250. The Stage 1 is designed for use with factory exhaust manifold, and your choice of AM exhaust. About 40 hp improvement. Stock engine and tranny components can take this hp increase.

CARB approval pending, which will apply to the Stage 2 as well. The Stage 2 will supposedly have more options, such as larger injector choice, pulley selection, and other variables. These will include headers, intake and exhaust. You'll be looking at 55 more ponies. You may want to start thinking about internals with this set up.

Apparently there's still more announcements to come.

[bbell1984]

3250, the original price was 3400 right?
thats pretty good.

I thought stage one improved the HP by 55.
Has the stage one specs changed?
thanks

[SSmoked]

the only thing i have against this supercharger is that its a centrifugal supercharger. its basiculy a turbo system with a pully where the turbo propellor is like a TRD supercharger on a matrix. i dont know how they react to 4 cyl but on v8s they are only good for top end power. a TS(twin screw) supercharged like the cobalt SS/SC gives u plenty of torque down low and maintains it into the higher revs.

any torque numbers for this system. im curious to when it makes max torque. im gona guess somewhere between 4000-5000rpm.

[Noisy Crow]

First post in the thread:
http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=149830.0

I wonder what shipping to Canada plus UPS fees plus taxes plus duty does to the price....

[condor888000]

UPS will make it disgusting.

[SSmoked]

looks like
184hp at 5500rpm
and 186 tq at 4500rpm

not bad i guess. too bad it couldnt keep up that hp to 6500rpm. smaller pully any one lets see what this s/c can do when u spin it up.

[mazdilla]

3250, the original price was 3400 right?
thats pretty good.

I thought stage one improved the HP by 55.
Has the stage one specs changed?
thanks

That would be depending on the dyno that's used. I believe it was 45-50 on one and 55 on another. I'm being conservative here. Other factors influencing the boost pasi and subsequent HP gains would be atmospheric pressure according to elevation (ASL).

[yearoftherat]

I wonder what shipping to Canada plus UPS fees plus taxes plus duty does to the price....

If you've ever had stuff shipped via UPS they will own your ass...

[Noisy Crow]

If you've ever had stuff shipped via UPS they will own your ass...

Yeh. Depends on how the shipping is setup though. For example, Newegg ships via UPS, and have some sort of arrangement so that you don't end up paying brokerage charges.

I ordered a Microsoft wireless keyboard for them for about $20 (was on sale) and they included free shipping (by UPS), and all I ended up paying was the 20 bucks plus tax.

[mazdilla]

Yeh. Depends on how the shipping is setup though.

I was told that they can be 'creative' with the packaging when it comes to shipping to Canada. Maybe a number of packages/lesser value ?? Divide and conquer is always good. I've done it before.

[iGOzoom]

i wonder if the auto tranny will hold up well with this.

[bbell1984]

i wonder if the auto tranny will hold up well with this.

It says stage one will work fine with the auto tran

[mazdilla]

i wonder if the auto tranny will hold up well with this.

I believe there are slightly different configurations of the set up for both manual and auto. (in the Kraftworks tune.)

[Nextmod]

I was told that they can be 'creative' with the packaging when it comes to shipping to Canada. Maybe a number of packages/lesser value ?? Divide and conquer is always good. I've done it before.

of course they can. how ever if your package is lost or damage (what thats? 30% of the time with UPS lol) you get stuck with the creative price you put on. and how much lower can you mark down a supercharge kit?

if you mark it as a $1000 item and your item is lost or damaged, you are stuck with $1000 worth of insurance claim. to save $300

and if they found out you marked it under value, custom has the right to adjust the price to the most expensive supercharge kit out there to tax you. by that time, you can only pay the tax they requested you to pay, or reject the package so it can be sent to the crusher (yes to the crusher, they wont send it back to the original sender) they messed up on my supercharge shippment on the value and took me 4 months to get the money back. I asked to return it first but they said it will go to the crusher and not the original sender. but thats with UPS, not sure about the other companies

[taz4432]

Time to compound charge~! Yeehaw! Too bad I have no money to do either super or turbo. Stage 3 S/C + MS3-level turbo = fun. :)

[mazdilla]

They've released a Stage 1.5 with inter cooler.

The specs will be posted on their site soon.

[iGOzoom]

Any news on this or if anyone is planning to buy this

[zakman]

the company went under. well they kinda did and kinda just sold there stuff and such off. so this whole thing is done. not happening anymore.