Bad news

[aris]

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=23415543

http://www.mix97.com/news/2010/02/jessica-lloyd-murder-investigation-updates/

This has the video confrenece they had today
http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2440310

RIP jessica Lloyd

[-RJ3-]

That's Terrible, and whats worst a cop was the murderer!

[stevenma188]

^Not a cop. Military Wing Commander. As in this guy was in charge of 6 Squadrons. He was way up in the chain of command.

[aris]

That's Terrible, and whats worst a cop was the murderer!


^Not a cop. Military Wing Commander. As in this guy was in charge of 6 Squadrons. He was way up in the chain of command.

+1 Yep the guy was high up in the miltary

[aris]

Appartly he got caught because of his tire tread....

Last thrusday the cops had road blocks at her house..anyone driving down 37 was checked

[cwp_sedan]

What a shame. :(

RIP

[Broli]

i know i am generalizing but . . i am not surprised to hear such things from military people


very sad for the families,

[hatthi]

i know i am generalizing but . . i am not surprised to hear such things from military people


Explain?

[marvin24k]

Any updates on this?

[towelsnap]

they are looking at more cold cases now ........ this is way too close to home. RIP.... I'm sorry aristeidis if you knew her ... she was really young



Appartly he got caught because of his tire tread....

Last thrusday the cops had road blocks at her house..anyone driving down 37 was checked

reasonable grounds... but not conclusive.. they must have hard evidence to prove he was there .. (blood/urine/sperm/hair). If he is convicted and he did commit those crimes... we will probably be in isolation in prison due to his employment/rep

[Alan]

http://thespec.com/News/Local/article/719261


Jennifer Yang and Raveena Aulakh
Torstar News Service
The arrest of a high-profile military superstar has cracked open a Pandora's box of cold-case murders as police in at least three provinces search for potential links to the recent slayings of two women in Ontario.

Hours after Monday's announcement that police had arrested 46-year-old Col. Russell Williams, a decorated career officer, police forces began reopening cases of unsolved homicides involving young women in areas where Williams has been previously stationed.

The colonel, who took over command of 8 Wing/CFB Trenton in July, has enjoyed an illustrious military career that has taken him across the country and even overseas.

Williams faces charges of first-degree murder in the deaths of the two women and the sexual assaults of two others. Ontario Provincial Police say several connecting factors ultimately led them to Williams, but are refusing to divulge any specifics, only citing geography as one of the common elements.

But according to sources, women's underwear, computers and digital photography are all bread crumbs in the probe that culminated in the arrest of Williams.

According to Larry Jones, the man who was initially suspected in Williams' alleged home invasions and sexual assaults, police were looking for very specific items in the early days of their investigation.

Jones, who lives next door to Williams on Cosy Cove Lane in Tweed, said that back when police were investigating him, they searched his home and produced a search warrant for La Senza bras, Jessica brand panties, computers, laptops and digital photography. Other reports say police were also looking for baby blankets and zip ties.

"They took the (computer) with my pictures on it," Jones said, adding that he believed police were looking for photographs that the sexual assault victims said were taken of them. Newspaper reports of the incidents have said that the women were struck, tied to chairs and photographed by their assailant.

Little progress was made on the home invasions but they landed back on investigators' radar screens shortly after Jessica Lloyd disappeared. The 27-year-old was last heard from on Jan. 28, when she sent a text message to a friend.

Belleville police immediately asked for help from the OPP, who began connecting Lloyd's disappearance to the sexual assaults, as well as the murder of 37-year-old Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, found dead in her Brighton home in November.

Lloyd's body was discovered Monday, off Cary Rd., about 13 minutes away from Cosy Cove Lane.

Asked whether Williams is alleged to have stolen underwear, OPP Sgt. Kristine Rae declined to comment.

"Anything evidentiary, I can't comment on," she said.

Rae also wouldn't comment on reports that police traced Lloyd's disappearance to Williams by using distinctive tire tracks left in snow near the woman's home off Highway 37.

Reports have said that investigators linked the tire tracks to a specific vehicle and that Williams was stopped by police on Feb. 4 during canvassing of motorists driving along that highway.

Williams was arrested on Sunday in Ottawa, where he also shares a home with his wife Mary Elizabeth Harriman, an associate executive director of the Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada. On Tuesday, police were seen leaving the couple's Ottawa home with bags.

The colonel appeared shackled at the ankles in a Belleville court on Monday, and is scheduled to appear in court again on Feb. 18 via video link.

The OPP say they have also been fielding numerous calls from other police departments. Hours after the announcement of Williams' arrest, police services across the country were reopening cases of unsolved homicides involving young women.

At last count, at least four cold cases in Nova Scotia and Ontario were under scrutiny.

Halifax Regional Police contacted OPP investigators regarding murders of three young women after they were inundated with calls from people wondering if there was a correlation.

Williams had been posted to the Shearwater base near Halifax, N.S., from 1992 to 1994, according to his biography posted on the Department of National Defence website until Tuesday afternoon. During that time frame, Andrea King, 18, Shelley Connors, 17, and Kimber Leanne Lucas, 24, were murdered.

"We've had some preliminary discussions with them (OPP investigators) but so far they haven't been able to provide any information that would impact any of our files here," said Const. Brian Palmeter in Halifax.

Investigators will also look into the unsolved 2001 murder of 19-year-old Kathleen MacVicar in Trenton.

The teen from Nova Scotia was found in Middleton Park, a housing development inside CFB Trenton. MacVicar had been staying with family at the military base when she disappeared June 13, 2001. Her body was found two days later in a corner of the base; she had been sexually assaulted and stabbed to death.

MacVicar's mother said she first heard about Williams' arrest Monday afternoon, and her first thought was "it could be related to Kathleen." Within hours, OPP had called her.

"I'm glad they are looking at it again," Colleen MacVicar, Kathleen's mother, told the Star on Tuesday afternoon from her home in Glace Bay, N.S.

But MacVicar said she isn't getting her hopes up. She has been disappointed before.

Williams' first posting was at Portage la Prairie, Man., in 1990, about 85 kilometres from Winnipeg; Glenda Morrisseau, 19, went missing on July 17, 1991. Her battered body was found about three weeks later.

Winnipeg police said Tuesday in an email that they were "aware of the arrest of the air force officer. Investigators will continue to review information as it unfolds."

Williams' arrest has shaken the military community to the core and in light of the charges, Williams has been removed from his post in Trenton. Lt.-Col. David Murphy has been currently appointed acting commander, according to the Northumberland News.

The small community of Tweed, where Williams and three of his alleged victims lived, is also reeling from the trauma that has visited their town. On Tuesday, police were visible around the area, guarding each exit along Cary Rd. as well as Williams' residence, which has been cordoned off with yellow tape.

This past fall, the home invasions caused people to point angry fingers, said Lawrence Ramsay, owner of Tweedsmuir Bar and Grill.

Ramsay said he knew Lloyd as a customer at the Tweedsmuir – pretty and pleasant, she was part of a group who came in on weekends. He last saw her around Christmas but has never seen Williams in the bar.

Ramsay also said that the boyfriend of one of the sexual assault victims is also an occasional customer at the bar. He said the young couple, in their 20s, had moved into the area shortly before the assault. He added they had recently had a baby, and have since moved out of the home.

Another woman who was allegedly sexually assaulted lives nearby.

The single mother declined to be interviewed on Tuesday, but previously relayed her terrifying ordeal to the Toronto Sun, stating that her attacker entered her room as she was sleeping. He reportedly blindfolded her and tied her hands behind her back before cutting her clothes off and assaulting her.

She said he took photographs of her before leaving her home just before dawn.

[Mazda3X2]

What kind of BS statement is this?!? People with this kind of attitude we don't need.

Do you know what the average "miltary person" does for this country? Do you really have any idea of what WE do on a day to day basis?!?

Give me a break with your "I'm not surprised generalization" BS. You area obviously very ignorant of facts and narrow minded.


i know i am generalizing but . . i am not surprised to hear such things from military people


very sad for the families,

[SpeedBaby]

What kind of BS statement is this?!? People with this kind of attitude we don't need.

Do you know what the average "miltary person" does for this country? Do you really have any idea of what WE do on a day to day basis?!?

Give me a break with your "I'm not surprised generalization" BS.

As much as I respect ppl who dedicate their lives to the wellbeing of their country, and given that the comment was a bit far out of line with generalization this is an expressed opinion which everyone is entitled to.
We (members of a public forum) generalize our judgments all the time: about cops and their doughnuts, about asian ppl driving, about jews being cheap... maybe it is socially considered being a faux pas to say anything negative about military personnel especially since 'we are at war here ppl!', but that doesn't reduce the potential of having members of the army who are prone to violence one way or another.

I can't speak for broli, but you're right, I personally have no idea WHAT you (i'm guessing by your reaction, I can address you as a military person) do on a day to day basis. And as I said, whatever it is - i greatly respect that. However, this being Canada - it's nothing you are not compensated for (monetarily or otherwise).

None the less, this topic isn't really about that.

My sincere condolences to the families and friends of those affected.

[Mazda3X2]

His comment was way out of line. No one is infalible. There are bad apples in every walk of life, in every position imaginable.

What has happned is a huge blow and a disapointment for all of us in uniform. I feel it and only hope that it does not reflect poorly on all of us. This is a man, one man who was supposed to be setting the example, leading 1000+ people.

I am very sadened by these events and still in disbelief. My sincerest condolences go out to the families of those affected.

On a side note: In actual fact, I make less money than my civilian counterpart. There are things that cannot be compensated for in any way. This is something you have to do becuase you want to, or you won't do it for long. I chose it willingly with no regrets and I like to think that I am making a difference in someone's life by my contributions.


As much as I respect ppl who dedicate their lives to the wellbeing of their country, and given that the comment was a bit far out of line with generalization this is an expressed opinion which everyone is entitled to.
We (members of a public forum) generalize our judgments all the time: about cops and their doughnuts, about asian ppl driving, about jews being cheap... maybe it is socially considered being a faux pas to say anything negative about military personnel especially since 'we are at war here ppl!', but that doesn't reduce the potential of having members of the army who are prone to violence one way or another.

I can't speak for broli, but you're right, I personally have no idea WHAT you (i'm guessing by your reaction, I can address you as a military person) do on a day to day basis. And as I said, whatever it is - i greatly respect that. However, this being Canada - it's nothing you are not compensated for (monetarily or otherwise).

None the less, this topic isn't really about that.

My sincere condolences to the families and friends of those affected.

[Broli]

i have respect for the military when they are fighting in just wars, the canadian militarty is well regarded for their peace keeping work.

aside from that i judge based on what i see happening in the world.

i mentioned that i do not want to generalize.

what a military person does on a day to day basis in canada i am not very well informed of.

i speak to the mentality of the soldiers who are fighting in afganistan or US soldiers in Iraq and afganistan

i see this as unacceptable to be honest.

if a soldier, even under orders does something that i feel is wrong and more than wrong, disgusting, i feel they are a bad person. These wars are wrong.

now i know that there were and are terrible things going on iraq and afganistan, that doesn't justify these wars. and even on top of that, if i was an "ends justify the means" kind of guy (which i am not) both these countries are in far worse circumstance than they were before these wars. So it is a pointless waste of canadian life but that is no where near the loss of lives, CIVILIAN lives in these countries.

and i know if someone is deployed they have to go or quit, even if it would require a dishonourable discharge quitting is the only acceptable choice.

i understand the difficulties this may cause but a moral person would agree, imo.


simply being in the military doesn't make you a bad person, however, complaiceny in moral issues does!

and to be honest i dont see the military doing all that much for me. if ever there was a need to defend this country, i would support them and hell i would join the fight in one way or another, (provided this was a just cause). but for now the military is really only good for frieghtening fisherman from portugal and spain out of our waters, i leave out the US because their fishing boats probably pack more fire power.

lol


i find the mentality of military people in general flawed, i am sorry if this offends you, i know not all are this way. but if you support the wars Canada is invloved in, be you military or not, and if in the military whether you have been to afganistan or not you are not a great person imo.

i am sure you and many others will disagree with me. I just consider you wrong, as you may consider me wrong.


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all this is academic, the sadness these families are facing now is horrifying to consider. condolences!

[Slade]

I am glad they were able to find him so quick, just for closure to the families.

My cousin's girlfriend actually lives across the road from where Comeau was found murdered in her home.

I do believe that he should not be trialed like a normal civilian, once he was trained to kill, and knows he is able to, these people should have no trial, and be sentenced to life with no parole, and no bail.

I have nothing against the military, I actually did a co-op position in CFB Trenton IT HelpDesk..

However, I also moved DND (when someone was posted) for ~8 years of my life, and I feel I can summarize and judge them to an extent. With 2 uncles ex military, and friends parents who are, you see/hear a lot more than the public does.

Ie) My friends dad calls him; "Guess where we are?", "We took a herc to Ottawa to go out for lunch", yes , to go out for lunch. Apparently to keep their allotted budget, they need to burn fuel to show it is required, so to do so they take random lunch trips across Canada, thats a great way to spend tax-payers money no?

-When moving the military, the actual person pays $0 for their move, they actually get paid to move, all exspense, all meals, travel cost and so on...sometimes, they can actually GAIN money when they move. They give them a lump sum of money, and if they don't use it, nothing is asked.

I did a lot of VIP Moves (ie, moving the base commander) I'm not saying that everyone in the military is an ahole by any means, but moving them everyday, a lot of them are inconsiderate(again not all!!!).

I have a lot of respect for the military as they do defend our country , something I cannot do by any means.

I am not trying to disrespect anyone that is in the military, but from personal experience with them outside their workplace, some can put you down really quick, and not care less about you, but want all the respect in the world given to them..

/rant

This is going to put a real sour taste in the public's mouth, and thats not what should happen , but because of todays civilization that is how things work :(

[Mazda3X2]

There are so many things that go on without your knowledge that do not affect you personaly. Countless local Search & Rescue missions, support for Winnipeg / Quebec's ice storm power outages, BC's forest fires, Toronto's being buried under snow a few years back, Haiti, plus many small uprisings....etc. Did any of these affect you? I doubt it. Sit home and relax knowing that there are many people ready to leave home and family on a moment's notice to help someone they don't even know.

Your opinion is just that, and fine. But do not judge all of us by one person who is obviously at a far extreme.



I do believe that he should not be trialed like a normal civilian, once he was trained to kill, and knows he is able to, these people should have no trial, and be sentenced to life with no parole, and no bail.
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You need to get your facts straight, or learn some. Although I agree with your punishment, he was no trained killer. An officer on the fast track, a transport pilot. Highly educated, highly intelligent, but not a trained killer. The military didn't train him to be a killer, they reserve that role for the guys on the ground. And because you had a co-op placement at one time and have been around a lot of military you feel you can judge them? Give me a break.

I am not a historian or political expert by any means to be able to decipher what is going through NATO's mind or to accurately tell of the violent past, present and future of the middle east. Nor do I pretend to know the true consequences of sitting back and doing nothing, as opposed to acting in support of our allied nations. I suppose you do.

I do however believe in the concept of "the greater good". I would take one life or give my own if it meant saving 1000. I would stop to help a person in need on the side of the street and I would put myself in harms way to protect someone that needed it. Too many people now are all too happy to sit back and do nothing, but judge those who act.

Anyways, sorry if I dragged this even further off topic.

[Broli]

There are so many things that go on without your knowledge that do not affect you personaly. Countless local Search & Rescue missions, support for Winnipeg / Quebec's ice storm power outages, BC's forest fires, Toronto's being buried under snow a few years back, Haiti, plus many small uprisings....etc. Did any of these affect you? I doubt it. Sit home and relax knowing that there are many people ready to leave home and family on a moment's notice to help someone they don't even know.




i think that all the things you mentioned are good

however, does doing one or many good things excuse doing bad or wrong things

i think not


i think the military probably needs a tremendous restructuring and i know that a lot of the problems come from government and such and i know this is out of the hands of most people in the military, particularly the low end of the totem pole

still, there are inexusable things done in the name of defending a nation or in the name of the military that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

as a member of the military u r a representative of the entire organization, i am sorry but that is how it goes. all i say is when people find themseleves associated with things that they disagree with they tend to disassociated from them (when they can). if they don't perhaps they agree with them!




I am not a historian or political expert by any means to be able to decipher what is going through NATO's mind or to accurately tell of the violent past, present and future of the middle east. Nor do I pretend to know the true consequences of sitting back and doing nothing, as opposed to acting in support of our allied nations. I suppose you do.


so you believe in doing what you are told then, because you think the people who make these decisions are smarter than you? well one don't sell yourself short, you should think about situations, contexts, impact, history and what you don't know, educate yourself about. Particularly because you may find yourself directly involved in such a situation. ignorance is not an excuse in a country like canada where we have acess to muiltiple sources of information from all sides involved.

A country should not support its allies if its allies are involved in fruitless, uncivalized and self-serving endeavours.



I do however believe in the concept of "the greater good". I would take one life or give my own if it meant saving 1000. I would stop to help a person in need on the side of the street and I would put myself in harms way to protect someone that needed it. Too many people now are all too happy to sit back and do nothing, but judge those who act.


greater good? greater good for who is the question, hundereds of thousands of afghanis and iraqis would not be dead less the action of the military of the west. Canadian military helps in afganistan so that lets more americans fight in iraq, it is the same thing as going there directly.

is that the greater good? doesn't seem so,

take one life or give your own if it meant saving a thousand. this is a silly cliche, and very unlikely would a situation only have such a solution. this is the sort of military mindedness i was speaking of before. you know who needs protection, the innocent people who are colletaral damage in the rediculous wars that are going on. Go and protect them, not butcher them.

i was not going to respond again, as you stated that you were finished with this conversation, however, you edited your post so that opened it up for me to respond i suppose.

just for clarification, i support actively and peacefully the causes i believe in. explaining the flawed logic of the millitary and the poor moral character of its members to people is something that i feel is important and something i believe is for the "greater good" of humanity.

[Slade]

My apologies, I misunderstood this article :)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/colonel-russ-williamss-biography/article1460431/

[stevenma188]

^Ya I was wondering what you were going on about moving.

[JashiK]

take one life or give your own if it meant saving a thousand. this is a silly cliche, and very unlikely would a situation only have such a solution. this is the sort of military mindedness i was speaking of before. you know who needs protection, the innocent people who are colletaral damage in the rediculous wars that are going on. Go and protect them, not butcher them.

just for clarification, i support actively and peacefully the causes i believe in. explaining the flawed logic of the millitary and the poor moral character of its members to people is something that i feel is important and something i believe is for the "greater good" of humanity.

I completely agree with Broli on the bolded statement...

[Mazda3X2]

Broli, I think it is maybe you who needs to educate themselves and open your mind to more than this hippie, 60`s beatnik attitude. You see the small picture, the here and now and that is fine. I doubt you have experienced enough to make such bold statements.

I agree with who needs protection and no, doing good things does not obviously excuse one bad act. But it was one, sole person who committed these acts. Not the organization as a whole. And no organization is perfect. I challenge you to make a difference if you think things are so out of line with your morality. Educate yourself and take a path to become the `wind of change` in a such a corrupt system.

I am going to venture a guess that I am in contact with more military members than yourself. I believe that I am a person of good moral direction and ethics as well as 90% of the people I have worked alongside.

We can argue / debate the ethics of war and morals of the military for a long, tiring time Im sure. But the truth is, like I mentioned, neither of us is qualified to make anything more than opinions. There is nothing I can say to change your position and likewise. I don`t ask for your support, but don`t put me in the same basket as a nut job because we wear the same uniform.


i was not going to respond again, as you stated that you were finished with this conversation, however, you edited your post so that opened it up for me to respond i suppose.

I was going to, and should have left it at that but thought I would leave it more open ended. Feel free to defend your position however this will be my last post in this thread. I don't mean to attack you personally Broli , but your initial statement made me see red for a while.

[ShortBus]

this maybe an isolated case but it's been known that military violence towards women has been on the increase with post traumactic stress disorder from wars and training and has only began to come to light. the military is still a "boys club" after all and the first thing that sets up after a base is established are b and b's (bars and brothels).

[aris]

Poeple this thread was started to say that they found her and her killer..This thread was not started to talk trash about the miltary

[cwp_sedan]

Poeple this thread was started to say that they found her and her killer..This thread was not started to talk trash about the miltary

+1

Any more military talk will be removed. If you want to discuss that topic, take it elsewhere.

[Mazda3X2]

Understood.

I am still shocked by what has happened. We just left the Trenton area last summer and it feels almost unreal. I hear that the police are going to dig into other unsolved crimes that he may have been connected to. I wonder how big this could possibly get.

[mleblond]

Although I don't necessarily agree with everything the military does, I can't disrespect the military for this one person screwing up. He might have the highest security clearance, but no one knows what he (or anyone else) is doing after he goes home from work on his own time. It would be the same for any person in an authoritative position (i.e. firefighter, politician, police officer, teacher, doctor, etc). No one knows what ppl do on their own time. Lets not take this out on the military for the actions one sociopath. The justice system is not going to go easy on this guy, the general public wouldn't allow it anyways. This has NOT been the first incident or someone abusing their position of power.

ooopps.... this is FoXy btw

[Slade]

^Ya I was wondering what you were going on about moving.

What I mean about moving is when someone is "posted" to another location, as in moving them to their new house/posting :)

I couldn't believe when I heard that a lady in Brighton was murdered, small knit town, and my hometown.

[stevenma188]

I understand changing postings but was just wondering why it was relevant.

[FoXy]

Why was my post deleted? There was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

[cwp_sedan]

Why was my post deleted? There was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

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