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mazdilla
03-31-2010, 11:34 PM
I'm no Dr. David Suzuki, or even close to the esteemed ecologist and entomologist E.O. Wilson who stated, "It's the little things that make the world go round."

I have 50 acres of abandonded pasture and wetland that borders on another 10,000+ acres of EP land.

No traffic here, but I have on my property:

The migration flight path of almost every bird and fowl species known in the eastern part of this continent (275/326), as it is the main migrating flyway through to the south, frogs of every species - except one indigenous species, 3 species of toad, every species of turtle indegenous to Ontario, every other amphibian known to Ontario except one, fowl, coyotes, foxes, three species of weasels, muskrats, beavers, chipmunks, squirrels, fishers, deer, rabbits, all indegenous species of eastern butterflies, ticks, ants, mosquitoes, deer flies, horse flies, bumble bees, wasps, sweat bees, hover flies, 8 species of dragon flies and damsel flies of the 14 known in North America, beetles to wazoo, over 40 species of spiders identified to date, centipedes and millipedes, pill bugs, black flies, gnats, no-see-ums, plant life that includes grasses, shrubs that bare consumable fruit, nut and fruit trees, and a plethora of herbacious species of every conceivable type that can exist in the conditions presented - you name it and I have yet to touch upon the hundreds of aqautic species that include water scorpions and giant water bugs; it's all here to enjoy, participate with, and 'contribute blood to' that grand celebration called nature!

Sounds like God's country, doesn't it? It is, 'Cause it appears no one else fackin' wants it!

It is all those little critters that keeps the world go round. If it wasn't for all of the insects that we so desperately try to exterminate, the mice that we trap and kill, the snakes that are soooooooooo repulsive, and the ants, beetles, cinch bugs, and aphids that we don't want in our garden, the world would be covered ass-deep in refuse and crap in one (1) week. No shit! - pun intended!

Due to our conceived 'civilized' nature and/or socially acceptable 'standards of living', we rediculously consume without rationing, we eliminate or exterminate uncomfortable, oppositional and annoying factors, and we deficate and discharge waste from numerous sources without thought of reprecussions, and have no plan or foresight of what will be for generations to come. Out of sight - out of mind.

Think about that the next time before you swat a fly, step on an ant, kill a snake simply because it exists and has been deemed evil by common consensus, toss a Timmy's cup out the window, buy that over-packaged product and do not recycle the byproducts and packaging, or if you are one of those drivers who aim for that frog, toad, or snake on the road simply because you can, then say, " I GOT IT!'.

Unfortunately, due to the 'civilized' approach to our existence and the 'collective standard of living' that we have established, the planet would be better off without us....

...and that's a shame. We are doomed.


Here is the Circle of Life simplified and something to think about:

Remember, we are a PART of nature, and not APART from nature.

When you kill something without consuming, you are killing part of your very own existence.

Sorry about the rant, but if you should come driving down my road, pop in, sit down in the sweet-scented shade of the black locust grove, have a beer, and listen to the 'traffic of life', that song of existence and the cacaphony of all those little 'everythings' that are actually keeping you alive.

My little woman says, "It's like having a brain shit."

She's right.

E.O. Wilson doesn't hold a candle to her thoughts.

taz4432
04-01-2010, 12:32 PM
+∞!

m_bisson
04-01-2010, 12:59 PM
well that was awesome.

Broli
04-01-2010, 01:29 PM
good read, sadly the human condition is far more powerful than nature in the short term anyways. . .

hopefully the human condition can adapt to serve nature and progress in a balanced approach . . .

thought i dont really see any signs of this happening

mazdilla
04-12-2010, 12:03 AM
good read, sadly the human condition is far more powerful than nature in the short term anyways. . .

hopefully the human condition can adapt to serve nature and progress in a balanced approach . . .

thought i dont really see any signs of this happening

Unfortunately it's the economists who influence the common paradigm of progress, and in their infinite wisdom they view the environment as an externalism to their rolling wheel of progress, where the wheel represents economic growth: money in/investment/more money out to invest = a bigger wheel.

What the morons don't seem to grasp is the true logarithm is more like: natural resources in/value-added profit on the processing of raw resources into consumer goods/more money out to increase the harvest rate of more natural resources = less natural resources that drive the economic wheel and eventually the wheel will go flat.

Will someone please ban the manufacturing of all that useless and non-recyclable tinker crap that we find at store check-out counters: Disposable flashlight lighters, flashing l.e.d. Christmas brooches that work for a week, Hallowe'en decorations, make that all seasonal decorations that require batteries, pens that sing, Valentine stuffed toys, St. Patrick's Day stuffed toys, sport celebrity bobble heads, 2' pencils, all erasers except for pink ones...

... and rubber pet toys, all pet toys (give them a tennis ball, bone or a stick ), pet jewelry, car jewelry, tree jewelry, action figures that just pose and do nothing for a child's cognitive development, anything to do with that idiotic enterprise known as the WWE, Jeff Gordon talking can openers, Honda Civics, edible panties (well maybe not that)...

You get the idea.

Sustainable development is key; what happened to that idea?

m_bisson
04-12-2010, 08:47 AM
Too many people! For us to live properly we'd need to wipe out all of asia :) Now, I'm all for a good genocide once in awhile, but that's just not going to happen! They make us too much money, slave labour and all. It's better to have them around and exploit them until they die off on their own!

/sarcasm

It really doesn't make a difference what we do. This planet is hundreds of millions of years old, and we're only about 60-70 thousand. We could create global warming, have a nuclear winter, or do lots of other dumb things, and the planet will recover on its own eventually. No big deal. Just live your life and enjoy it! Let mother nature do what she wants with us in the meantime :)

mazdilla
04-12-2010, 10:18 PM
Too many people! For us to live properly we'd need to wipe out all of asia :) Now, I'm all for a good genocide once in awhile, but that's just not going to happen! They make us too much money, slave labour and all. It's better to have them around and exploit them until they die off on their own!

/sarcasm

It really doesn't make a difference what we do. This planet is hundreds of millions of years old, and we're only about 60-70 thousand. We could create global warming, have a nuclear winter, or do lots of other dumb things, and the planet will recover on its own eventually. No big deal. Just live your life and enjoy it! Let mother nature do what she wants with us in the meantime :)

A people or race, and their associated culture are a product of their geography, social/religious/political history, and their current socio-economic environment. They are what they are, and one should appreciate the diversity of cultures on this planet. I do; I embrace it.

Get your facts straight. The Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old. As a species descended from the original biped primate (homo africanus - Lucy), it is argued that we have been around for between 2.2 and 3 million years. Other specimens of about the same age have been recently found in Asia, and recent investigation has found that race to have originated in Southeast Asia. Geneticiists are presently trying to determine if our races (east and west) are distinct from each other and have co-evolved over the eons. I don't think so. As homo sapiens sapiens (who exterminated Neanderthals in Europe), we have been around for about 120,000 years. It has only taken the invention of the steam engine by Sir Charles Hutton about 300 years ago, and the subsequent Industrial Revolution, to really f**k things up.

I'm sorry, but your post is in really poor taste. Sarcasm is an expression of an ingrained ignorant opinion, voiced in a perceived humerous manner to make light of the grevious subject matter, and hopefully influence the audience to make light of, according to you, a serious social problem that is perceived only by you. In this case, your post is pure bigotry and racist. You sound like the spawn of a Nazi.

Imagine pour une minute, Monsieur Bisson, ci vous etiez de l'orient, and if you were of Asian extraction and were reading your post. Vous ne serait pas content du tout. Andrew Dice Clay, who's a complete fackin asshat, and who uses racist jokes as a method of making a living, is not even that crude.

Mods, can you please delete this and the aforemention post. I am deeply offended, as I'm sure others who have read his post are. This is not were this thread is supposed to be.

Thank you.

ps: Don't have children. You don't deserve them.

"We do not inherit the Earth, we merely borrow it from our children."

m_bisson
04-12-2010, 10:32 PM
What's wrong with my post? And don't call me a nazi. the "/sarcasm" was meant to show that I did not actually mean what I was saying. Did you miss the part where I'm on YOUR side? Asshat.

mazdilla
04-12-2010, 11:32 PM
What's wrong with my post? And don't call me a nazi. the "/sarcasm" was meant to show that I did not actually mean what I was saying. Did you miss the part where I'm on YOUR side? Asshat.

Then don't say it here. Keep it to yourself.

Not cool. Racist remarks or jokes are never cool.

I'm an elementary school teacher. I'm really trying to make this world a better place. You, apparently, are not.

I am still offended, as you transgressed the boundaries of good taste, and haven't apologized for making a big faux pas.

Wait 'til others have a chance to read this dialogue.

GO AWAY.... please.

m_bisson
04-13-2010, 09:30 AM
The boundaries of good taste? Not everyone loves the taste of ketchup or asparagus... get my point? I wasn't being racist; I was simply stating the sad truth about the world we live in. It seems to have seriously pissed you off, which was my intention. If you don't like hearing about it then go sit on your porch and stare at trees all day, don't come preaching about nature and the planet if you're not willing to face it head on. People are animals too, sir. Are you valuing the lives of other species higher than those of your own? You claim you want sustainable development: well it won't happen with the population we have today.

What grinds my gears MOST is that you're a hypocrite. Mister "save the planet" and "don't make useless crap" who has this in his signature: "Spending money we don't have, on parts we don't need, impressing people we don't know."

ZeroChalk
04-13-2010, 01:42 PM
It's not economist that influence the world (they try to understand/predict it)... it's human greed driven by what the media tells us to want. They define our measure of success, they define what we like, what we need, and influence/shape our thoughts and opinions.

I dunno about the sarcasm part in the Asia comment. Sarcasm or not I think that remark was pretty naive and crude. Asia is one of the oldest civilizations out there and a lot of things you enjoy today are a result of those cultures. Genocide is not good by any means.

ZeroChalk
04-13-2010, 01:48 PM
m_bisson, Also have you looked around - this world can easily sustain a larger population

Random point. (of course the stats cannot be taken at face value)

About 90% of the earth's people live on 10% of the land. Additionally, about 90% of the people live north of the equator.

North America - 32 people per square mile
South America - 73 people per square mile
Europe - 134 people per square mile
Asia - 203 people per square mile
Africa - 65 people per square mile
Australia - 6.4 people per square mile

it's about being more conscience and smarter about the environment.

mazdilla
04-13-2010, 02:44 PM
..... it's about being more conscience and smarter about the environment.

Thank you.



What grinds my gears MOST is that you're a hypocrite. Mister "save the planet" and "don't make useless crap" who has this in his signature: "Spending money we don't have, on parts we don't need, impressing people we don't know."

That is sarcasm. There is a difference.

And as for grinding gears, buy an automatic.... transmision.

mazdilla
04-15-2010, 02:04 AM
The boundaries of good taste? Not everyone loves the taste of ketchup or asparagus... get my point? I wasn't being racist; I was simply stating the sad truth about the world we live in. It seems to have seriously pissed you off, which was my intention. If you don't like hearing about it then go sit on your porch and stare at trees all day, don't come preaching about nature and the planet if you're not willing to face it head on. People are animals too, sir. Are you valuing the lives of other species higher than those of your own? You claim you want sustainable development: well it won't happen with the population we have today.

What grinds my gears MOST is that you're a hypocrite. Mister "save the planet" and "don't make useless crap" who has this in his signature: "Spending money we don't have, on parts we don't need, impressing people we don't know."



In a sense, I acknowledge that part of what you preach is unibrow humour when it comes to the sad truth, but to continue to rehash the Victorian/ Western European paradigm of times past shows that you have been kept in the dark, and have been fed bullsh*t all day long. Just like a mushroom, which doesn't endure.

We study the past, to understand where we are, and plan for the future.

A wise man learns from his mistakes and those of others, a fool doesn't. To even suggest genocide, however you present it, is no longer humour in this day and age.

Try to be progressive and not regressive.

That would be the proactive and civilized approach.

BTW, the only trees that I hug are the ones that I cut down to heat my home.

Cheers!