MS3 Engine Oil Threads

[Fobio]

No offense to anyone, but when I see guys asking if they should use this oil or that oil in their MS3's, it pisses me off cuz myself and guys like MBNTO have put out so much info (tested and verified) that there really is no need to ask if "I should put bargain basement price oil in my mS3 cuz I can and it's cheap"...

having said that, here is a summary:

1. DO NOT USE 5w20.

2. Be weary of even 5w30, as it has been shown to be inadequate for certain cars.

3. Read the existing oil threads.

4. Do not use dino oil if you care about the car. Use a quality full synthetic. At the very least use a semi-synth blend, which is what the factory oil is.

5. If you go to Jimmy, he'll have filters. He also knows EXACTLY how to fill your car.

6. In reality, every car has a slight variance in oil fill point. Do not listen to someone else and blindly dump in X litre of oil...always use your dipstick!

7. Due to fuel dilution/seepage, do not fill your oil beyond the full line. You'll in fact find that the MS3 does not burn oil and will in fact inject a bit of gas into the oil, creating more volume...so don't overfill!

8. Default oils: Pennzoil Platinum 5w30, Rotella T6 5w40, Mannheim Full Synth 5w40 (Jimmy carries this)

9. I've tried Mobil 1 and it contributed to my smoking turbo, no good for MY MS3.

10. Go on to mazdaspeedforums.org and read about more user's experiences there.

[MistaChin]

http://aroyalpain.com/files/2009/08/dipstick1.jpg

[Kinn]

Vote for Sticky!

[horto]

why not link to the existing TM3-->Mazdaspeed 3 threads?

(yes, i'm too lazy to search and do it myself right now)

[Fobio]

guys, no one pissed in my coffee this morning...lol...in fact, I was hoping it'd be MBNTO that wrote this thread...

I also don't have time to link all threads to this one, but I may over time collect them and put them in here.

but I meant what I've said...there's no need to be creative with engine oils for the MS3.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

No offense to anyone, but when I see guys asking if they should use this oil or that oil in their MS3's, it pisses me off cuz myself and guys like MBNTO have put out so much info (tested and verified) that there really is no need to ask if "I should put bargain basement price oil in my mS3 cuz I can and it's cheap"...

having said that, here is a summary:

8. Default oils: Pennzoil Platinum 5w30, Rotella T6 5w40, Mannheim Full Synth 5w40 (Jimmy carries this)



One other oil that has received good reviews on msf and bitog is German Castrol 0W30.

Also, I have good word that Mazda is now using Petro-Canada Duron-E 5W40 for the DISI in the CX-7. That's not to say that I've used and recommend this oil, what it is, if you look up Duron-E, is that Mazda is now using a Heavy Duty Engine Oil for diesel engines in the DISI.

Where this relates to what Fobio wrote is that the Rotella T6 5w40 (which we currently use) is also a HDEO made primarily for diesels; which also relates to what I mentioned to Fobio before we started using Rotella T6 -- that the Direct Injection gas engine has more in common with a diesel than a port-injection gas engine.

But "why a diesel oil"?

The DISI is far more tougher on oil than the regular, port-injected 2.0L/2.3L. Coupled with Mazda's poor PCV design and the fuel dilution, and you get the requirement that the oil you put in your MS3 has to put up with a f*(king harsh environment. This harsh environment shears down the oil in between oil changes -- your 5w30 is now closer to a 20weight; use 5w20 and it's down to a 10wt with the viscosity approaching that of water. You want something that is shear stable and HDEO's provide that protection -- Rotella is used on diesels that go millions of miles before a rebuild.

The other issue is that oils with a low flash point will coke up the valves quicker. A HDEO diesel oil, and a quality synthetic like those Fobio listed, will typically have a higher flash point that will limit the coking of the valves.

What I'll be doing is using Rotella T6 for Spring, Summer, Fall and German Castrol 0w30 for winter.

All this information is contained within TM3 and out there on MSF and BITOG; and Fobio and I have done our research and put it to the test (him moreso than me as I've only had my MS3 for 10,000 miles).

Bottom line, don't cheap out on the most critical component in the DISI (oil) and, on the other hand, don't try to extend the oil change interval because you're running some expensive synthetic.

[Fobio]

+1 about German Castrol 0w30. MBNTO and I have discussed this oil at length...it's a quality oil that doesn't shear down like the typical 5w30. But since we track in the summer, I suggested we keep the GC 0w30 for winter use and use the heavier oil for sumemr time.

[starscream]

My thread on Oil Analysis is going to take off in a week or two. I am just awaiting the last UOA samples (as of today July 9 2010) I only have the VOA samples, no UOA's yet..

I did VOA's and UOA's on a few different types of oils. So hopefully that can also shed light on oils for the MS3 and maybe put some fact into oils that are suitable for the MS3.

Link to the thread...

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?43017-Engine-Oil-Testing-Verifying-Analyzing

[eliminator]

I'm using Mobil Super 1000 5w30, no smoking issue. Thinking of changing over to synthetic, but dont want to jinx my success

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I'm using Mobil Super 1000 5w30, no smoking issue. Thinking of changing over to synthetic, but dont want to jinx my success

you have a 2007 and, unless the turbo has been replaced under warranty, using DINO OIL (which is what Mobil Super 1000 is - essentially a rebranded Esso Extra) will result in a smoking turbo sooner or later.

[laksman91]

Edited for irrelevance to the thread

[Fuman]

vote for sticky.

[S.F.W.]

thread stuck

[Fobio]

Thanks Ami!

I just bought some Pennzoil Ultra from the states...they're super sized!

5 Qt "Single Oil Change" (I laugh at your 5 qt/4.73L bottle with my 6.5L oil fill need...lol...) for $28USD...I got 3 bottles of the 5w30, which from some UOA, has better performance and durability under heavy duty use. I plan to try it with my next oil change...

this is also why you shouldn't just fill the amount what the other guy is filling with...with my balance shaft deleted, I have extra room in the oil pan for more oil.

[Turok]

Thanks Ami!

I just bought some Pennzoil Ultra from the states...they're super sized!

5 Qt "Single Oil Change" (I laugh at your 5 qt/4.73L bottle with my 6.5L oil fill need...lol...) for $28USD...I got 3 bottles of the 5w30, which from some UOA, has better performance and durability under heavy duty use. I plan to try it with my next oil change...

this is also why you shouldn't just fill the amount what the other guy is filling with...with my balance shaft deleted, I have extra room in the oil pan for more oil.

Let me know how this stuff is I'm going down to the U.S in 2 weeks.. and if its worth getting I'll get some.

[eliminator]

Let me know how this stuff is I'm going down to the U.S in 2 weeks.. and if its worth getting I'll get some.

I got some of the 5w30 P-Ultra too. $28 a bottle. Ill be putting it in sometime in the next week.

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

One other oil that has received good reviews on msf and bitog is German Castrol 0W30.

Also, I have good word that Mazda is now using Petro-Canada Duron-E 5W40 for the DISI in the CX-7. That's not to say that I've used and recommend this oil, what it is, if you look up Duron-E, is that Mazda is now using a Heavy Duty Engine Oil for diesel engines in the DISI.

Where this relates to what Fobio wrote is that the Rotella T6 5w40 (which we currently use) is also a HDEO made primarily for diesels; which also relates to what I mentioned to Fobio before we started using Rotella T6 -- that the Direct Injection gas engine has more in common with a diesel than a port-injection gas engine.

But "why a diesel oil"?

The DISI is far more tougher on oil than the regular, port-injected 2.0L/2.3L. Coupled with Mazda's poor PCV design and the fuel dilution, and you get the requirement that the oil you put in your MS3 has to put up with a f*(king harsh environment. This harsh environment shears down the oil in between oil changes -- your 5w30 is now closer to a 20weight; use 5w20 and it's down to a 10wt with the viscosity approaching that of water. You want something that is shear stable and HDEO's provide that protection -- Rotella is used on diesels that go millions of miles before a rebuild.

The other issue is that oils with a low flash point will coke up the valves quicker. A HDEO diesel oil, and a quality synthetic like those Fobio listed, will typically have a higher flash point that will limit the coking of the valves.

What I'll be doing is using Rotella T6 for Spring, Summer, Fall and German Castrol 0w30 for winter.

All this information is contained within TM3 and out there on MSF and BITOG; and Fobio and I have done our research and put it to the test (him moreso than me as I've only had my MS3 for 10,000 miles).

Bottom line, don't cheap out on the most critical component in the DISI (oil) and, on the other hand, don't try to extend the oil change interval because you're running some expensive synthetic.

You are 100% right as I had warranty coverage to resolve smoking issue at W.O.T they used Amsoil 15/40 synthetic oil which is a diesel oil back just before May 24 weekend. I went to pick up extra bottle of this Amsoil at dealer who was suppose to order it and it was the 5w/40 synthetic the petro can stuff not sure or can remember if it was Duron-E but probably was! What you write makes total sense as I have a diesel too and the disi shares allot of similarities.

[horto]

For you non cross-border shoppers, Penzzoil Platinum 5W30 is on sale at Canadian Tire right now until August 5th. $24.99 for a 4.4L bottle. Attack!

[swales]

I just went to the dealer for the smoking issue this week and they put Duron-E 5w-40 synthetic in as to the Mazda TSB and so far no more smoking but I expect it to come back sooner then later. Up until now I've been using 5w-30 synthetic

[fywdyl]

So can I request to have synthetic put in when I get my oil changed at the dealer? And I guess it's whatever brand that they carry right?

[horto]

You can ask them to put whatever you want in it. You're probably limited to whatever synthetic they have in stock. Or you can even bring your own oil and have them use that. (Most dealerships will give you discount if you bring your own).

http://www.bobcesca.com/images/gruesome_scanners_431x300.jpg

[swales]

Yes you can request the dealer use synthetic (of course it's a little more expensive)

[fywdyl]

Cool thanks!

[Speed_Demon]

I am not able to find Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic 5w30 for my 07 MS3. I called Part Source and checked Canadian Tire. Anyone know where I can buy this in Canada (Markham specifically)?

I checked a few of the oil threads but I could not find why this can be bought (found a few posts re: 'I just got mine from the states' etc... but no mention on where this can be purchased here)

Thanks in advance. :)

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I am not able to find Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic 5w30 for my 07 MS3. I called Part Source and checked Canadian Tire. Anyone know where I can buy this in Canada (Markham specifically)?

I checked a few of the oil threads but I could not find why this can be bought (found a few posts re: 'I just got mine from the states' etc... but no mention on where this can be purchased here)

Thanks in advance. :)

Won't be available in Canada until October 2010 (http://www.autoserviceworld.com/issues/story.aspx?aid=1000374290)

[Speed_Demon]

Thank you.

[Fobio]

Haven't tracked it yet, but Pennzoil Ultra (which I got from the states in 5qt jugs) has been in the car for a few weeks...might get to giv'er this wknd...

but I don't commute daily with the car anymore...I'm lucky if she sees 200km/week now...lol...

[Fuman]

Haven't tracked it yet, but Pennzoil Ultra (which I got from the states in 5qt jugs) has been in the car for a few weeks...might get to giv'er this wknd...

but I don't commute daily with the car anymore...I'm lucky if she sees 200km/week now...lol...
Ultra has been awesome in my car... doesn't burn at all.

[horto]

FYI pennzoil platinum synthetic is on sale this week at cdn tire!!

[hilzen]

I also have the Pennzoil Ultra and its AWESOME! they have it in toronto now! I got mine at Wallmart up there on Bathurst and Center (near Promenade Mall)

[SKYMP3]

FYI pennzoil platinum synthetic is on sale this week at cdn tire!!

Just picked up another 4.73L jug for $24.88 at WM

I have no issue on 5W30 with Pennzoil Plantium Synthetic.

[Elusivellama]

FYI pennzoil platinum synthetic is on sale this week at cdn tire!!

Got six 4.73L bottles at $24.88 each, enough for 5 oil changes... 1 oil change used last weekend when Jimmy changed the factory oil/filter out (used the OEM spin on filter), next one in about 6k - 7k.

[chrismelito]

Just switched over to Pennzoil Platinum, as I could not find Ultra near me. Im already noticing the thing runs smoother than it did before. Not massively so, but certainly noticeable. Go team!

[Tokay444]

That's probably because you just did an oil change. Lol.

[chrismelito]

Tokay, I hear you, but what's the difference between a brand new 2010 MS3 with 35 km and on it, or a month old 2010 MS3 with 2200 km on it? Not much. So it's not so much that it was an oil change in general as it was an oil change to synthetic oil.

[Tokay444]

As your car breaks in and with every oil change it will get smoother. Up to about 35000km

[VertigoM]

Tokay, I hear you, but what's the difference between a brand new 2010 MS3 with 35 km and on it, or a month old 2010 MS3 with 2200 km on it? Not much. So it's not so much that it was an oil change in general as it was an oil change to synthetic oil.

Do you notice any power increase? Just curious

[chrismelito]

Minor power increase, nothing to write home to Mom about...and could just be my imagination. I mostly notice that it runs smoother than it ever has, even when I drove it off the lot with 35KM on the ODO.

[Tokay444]

It's only gonna get smoother. A brand new car is usually at it's roughest.

[CelestSpeed3]

I swapped out the factory fill at 750km, and have used Castrol Edge 5w-30 on 4000km OCI. My cars been running great and Edge seems to be the next big hit at BISTOG. My car has 20,000km on it now and no issues so far (I might even be the highest mileage 2010 MS3 but I can't confirm that)

[Queue]

I've just received my first oil replacement on my recent purchase of a used MS3. So is it suggested that I not have the dealer use their semi-synthetic brand and bring in my own oil. So what's the consensus on the best oil for our MS3s?

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

General Consensus are the following oils perform best in the DISI, listed in no specific order:

1) Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30/40
2) Amsoil 5W-30/40
3) German Castrol 0W-30

I'm sure many synthetic oils work well also, but these are the three oils most members run, have had anayzed and comment about.

[Queue]

General Consensus are the following oils perform best in the DISI, listed in no specific order:

1) Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30/40
2) Amsoil 5W-30/40
3) German Castrol 0W-30

I'm sure many synthetic oils work well also, but these are the three oils most members run, have had anayzed and comment about.

Sounds good, thanks. I've read that Pennzoil's new Ultra synthetic oil is now out in Canada. Maybe I'll give that a try on my next oil change.

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

I believe the Amsoil is the Best as they were the actual first synthetic motor oil to meet API service requirements in 1972!! with BTOG forums amsoil out performs in the samples listed, that being said the Shell Rotella is another very strong oil that out performs, as well as Total oil. Shell Helix is listed O.E.M for Ferrari. But at the end of the day it would be about price and quality and availability. That's why I use Amsoil as a preferred dealer you get wholesale prices and high quality oil and related products and with many dealers you can pick up almost anywhere or directly from there warehouse Tomken and Courtney park,(south of Courtney Prk dr)in Mississauga.

When my membership ends with Amsoil I will seriously look at the Total oil proffered dealer as I have used this in my TDi with my dealer hook up to get in. I have done Oil analysis on Total Quartz 5w/30 with Force one additive after 6mths and 5,000km,(May,2010-Nov,2010) short trip city driving oil severity at 0, TBN at 4.6(VS 7.4 new),Vis at 100c is 11.8 (vs 12.13 new) so with the TBN being lower at cold startup we figured under current conditions to do 1yr interval with oil being changed prior to colder weather to insure maximum protection in cold months as when warmer mths come this will not be an issue with aging oil.

My 2010 Speed has 37,000km

[Tokay444]

I can't find AMSoil I jugs bigger than 1 litre.

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

Amsoil comes in quarts which is 946ml you can buy single by the case/12 or 3.78L bottles which is 4 quarts or 113L /208L drums but for most ppl the case of 12 or the 3.78L bottle would be fine. A case of Amsoil XL which I found to be the best bang for the buck retails out at $96/12 plus tax which is $8 a bottle way cheaper than buying at Canadian Tire or elsewhere! Also the 15,000mile synthetic oil filter list out at $19 so u get 2 changes on one filter. But pay your member fees and you can get cheaper!

[Tokay444]

Where can I find the case?

[MajesticBlueNTO]

cross-posted in the informal ms3 chat thread:

here's some Virgin Oil Analysis of Motul 300V 5w40 (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2107039) and Shell Rotella T6 5w40 (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=134913&Number=1939470):

Motul 300V
http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab159/bergen_photo/bergen_photos%20Motul%20300V%20VOA/Motul300V5w40VOA.jpg

Rotella T6
http://home.earthlink.net/~alan.m.roberts/Images/voa_Rotella5W-40T6.jpg

300V's biggest difference over T6 is the high concentration of molybdenum, which reduces friction within the engine....which is also why 300V "unlocks horsepower" as there is less internal friction within the engine.

however, one is $150 in oil for an oil change, the other about $50 in oil

[CelestSpeed3]

Where do you guys get Shell Rotella T6 from?

[loki]

Where do you guys get Shell Rotella T6 from?

i bought four 5L jugs from Ctire on sale at 29 bucks each

regular price is 39 bucks

[gar_lei]

is Royal Purple good?
if yes, which model and rating in particular?

Thanks in advance

[Fobio]

Here's a piece from Forced Performance regarding their built engines being driven daily and their findings on oil.

Forced Performance Recommendations for Motor Oil (http://store.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/graphics/subaru_oil/Forced%20Performance%20Recommendations%20for%20Mot or%20Oil.pdf)

[jsbola]

So I was at the dealership the other day just asking the service adviser how much an oil change costs for an MS3 and he quoted me what I always paid for a normal 3 so I asked him about using synthetic and he told me NOT to use it. He said to keep using the semi-synthetic until later on in the cars life, 20,000kms+ to be exact. Kinda threw me for a loop because I thought everyone seems to use full syn right from the get go. Any truth to this and is there any downside to using full syn right from the start?

[MajesticBlueNTO]

So I was at the dealership the other day just asking the service adviser how much an oil change costs for an MS3 and he quoted me what I always paid for a normal 3 so I asked him about using synthetic and he told me NOT to use it. He said to keep using the semi-synthetic until later on in the cars life, 20,000kms+ to be exact. Kinda threw me for a loop because I thought everyone seems to use full syn right from the get go. Any truth to this and is there any downside to using full syn right from the start?

find another dealership

[rzapata]

So I was at the dealership the other day just asking the service adviser how much an oil change costs for an MS3 and he quoted me what I always paid for a normal 3 so I asked him about using synthetic and he told me NOT to use it. He said to keep using the semi-synthetic until later on in the cars life, 20,000kms+ to be exact. Kinda threw me for a loop because I thought everyone seems to use full syn right from the get go. Any truth to this and is there any downside to using full syn right from the start?

Which dealership was this?? Let's notify everyone...

That's just a recipe for disaster..... :bang

[jsbola]

Which dealership was this?? Let's notify everyone...

That's just a recipe for disaster..... :bang

That would be Mazda of Brampton

[joedemarco]

I have to do an oil change soon...I dont know what brand to go with??!! I was told 5W-40 which I plan to go with but I was told that "Mobile 1 was the only true synthetic motor oil"...please send me your recommendations otherwise I'm going to be a sucker for this statement (or Castrol)

[Mr Wilson]

A bunch of us are running Shell Rotella T6 5w-40, it's a diesel engine oil, but works well with our cars. CT sells it in the big jugs and you'll need just over one.......so buy at least two.

[rzapata]

I have to do an oil change soon...I dont know what brand to go with??!! I was told 5W-40 which I plan to go with but I was told that "Mobile 1 was the only true synthetic motor oil"...please send me your recommendations otherwise I'm going to be a sucker for this statement (or Castrol)

Hmmm, actually, Mobil 1 is full synthetic, but not true synthetic. I'm not so sure which ones are "true synthetic" (I think it was Royal Purple, German Castrol and Motul - someone correct me if I'm wrong)..

[rzapata]

I wrote down a few of the preferred oils for the MS3. These are all taken from recommendation by members.

Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30/40
Rotella T6 5W-40
Mannheim Full Synthetic 5W-40
Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic 5W-30
Amsoil 5W-30/40
German Castrol 0W-30

[BlueStreak]

If you go with Rotella, you can have my second jug. I used the tiniest bit from it and will be switching oils.

[Mr Wilson]

If you go with Rotella, you can have my second jug. I used the tiniest bit from it and will be switching oils.

What are you switching to for the new motor?

[BlueStreak]

Race spec oil.

It's a toss up between Joe Gibbs, Amsoil Dominator or Motul 300v.

[Mr Wilson]

Can't wait to see your finished product!

[gar_lei]

I wrote down a few of the preferred oils for the MS3. These are all taken from recommendation by members.

Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30/40
Rotella T6 5W-40
Mannheim Full Synthetic 5W-40
Pennzoil Ultra Synthetic 5W-30
Amsoil 5W-30/40
German Castrol 0W-30

And Royal Purple?

[rzapata]

And Royal Purple?

I can't say first hand... But noting that it is true synthetic, I don't see why not right? I'm sure somebody will confirm this. I should also add Motul to the list.. :)

[gar_lei]

I'm using it right now, so far no smoking turbo, runs smooth~

[gar_lei]

I can't say first hand... But noting that it is true synthetic, I don't see why not right? I'm sure somebody will confirm this. I should also add Motul to the list.. :)

u think it's not a true synthetic?

[rzapata]

u think it's not a true synthetic?

Oh no, I know for sure RP is true synthetic. :) What I meant is that somebody else with an experience on them would chime in. In this case, yourself.. :) You're running 5W-30? Did you ever get a smoking turbo?

[gar_lei]

Oh no, I know for sure RP is true synthetic. :) What I meant is that somebody else with an experience on them would chime in. In this case, yourself.. :) You're running 5W-30? Did you ever get a smoking turbo?

Ya runing 5w30, no smoking turbo at all

[vinnierap]

Just did an oil change last night "Amsoil" 5W-30... I switched to Amsoil a few years ago in my bike R6 (sold :() and My integra when I had it. You can just feel the difference in how much better the car performs and how much smoother it feels.

I recommend Amsoil to everyone and will only be using Amsoil in my speed.

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

Do not forget Castrol Edge 5W/30 Celestspeed had an oil analysis done and it was awesome!!!! At 3,000km was still great only slightly below grade and measurable fuel dillution!! Also VW uses this as standard I their newer cars with a 12mth/20,000km service!! My father has a 2.5 2011 jetta he won't do mileage but time yes, just to see how the oil performed!

[joedemarco]

I just came back from the mechaninc put in the Shell Rotella 5W-40 and the car feels like its come to life again! I was told by my mechanic that the Amsoil was one of the first to release the "synthetic" motor oil. does anyone know if this is true? (he said he personally is not a fan of the Shell, but that didnt influence me, I went with the Rotella for this change)

[horto]

Just a heads up, Shell Rotella T 5W-40 is coming up on sale at CDN Tire, starting November 4th.


Shell Rotella T Synthetic Diesel Motor Oil, 5W40
PRODUCT #0287935


4.4L of premium diesel oil with Triple Protection technology. Recommended in all types of over-the-road service, diesel powered equipment, ...
http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/CanadianTire/0287935_1?$medium$&defaultImage=image_na_EN
Sale: $29.99
Reg: $39.99
Save 25%

Edit: I will point out that this is NOT T6. I don't know what the difference between Rotella T and T6 is.

[TheMAN]

if it's synthetic, it's T6
one of the best cheap synthetics money can buy

[breakfasteatre]

if its cj 4 rated then it is the right stuff

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Just a heads up, Shell Rotella T 5W-40 is coming up on sale at CDN Tire, starting November 4th.


Shell Rotella T Synthetic Diesel Motor Oil, 5W40
PRODUCT #0287935


4.4L of premium diesel oil with Triple Protection technology. Recommended in all types of over-the-road service, diesel powered equipment, ...
http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/CanadianTire/0287935_1?$medium$&defaultImage=image_na_EN
Sale: $29.99
Reg: $39.99
Save 25%

Edit: I will point out that this is NOT T6. I don't know what the difference between Rotella T and T6 is.

That's an old graphic on CT's website... Rotella T6 was Rotella T before. CT only sells T6 in store. long story short, it is T6 that's on sale.

[speedsilver]

Just did an oil change last night "Amsoil" 5W-30... I switched to Amsoil a few years ago in my bike R6 (sold :() and My integra when I had it. You can just feel the difference in how much better the car performs and how much smoother it feels.

I recommend Amsoil to everyone and will only be using Amsoil in my speed.

where can you get that stuff?

[rzapata]

where can you get that stuff?

I'm pretty sure CT has them. Much better, I think Garage 16 carries them as well. :) I know Rick posts them on sale sometimes.


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[speedsilver]

i still have half a case of royal purple good for my next change, will try that type next time

[dexter]

So I'm thinking about going to Canadian Tire to grab some of the Rotella T6 that's on sale tonight. If I'm doing the oil change myself what filter brand/type should I be getting (something that CT carries, so I can get it while I'm there)? I did a quick search and couldn't really find any info on the filters themselves, just the oil.

[breakfasteatre]

just go oem. comparing the fram option to oem the oem has a bunch more folds and justbseems better quality

[gar_lei]

I use Wix filter
Heard KN is good too

[CelestSpeed3]

I switched over to Rotella T6, I sent my oil out at 4400km to get tested. Results should be back by the end of next week.

[SKYMP3]

I switched over to Rotella T6, I sent my oil out at 4400km to get tested. Results should be back by the end of next week.

Got any news?
I used the T6 on my last oil change as well and almost due for the second one.

My last oil change was just 5500km ago, should I wait a bit longer, like 8-10k....

[CelestSpeed3]

I've been told the results are good, twice as good as Castro Edge but I haven't seen the full results yet.

[CelestSpeed3]

I have my oil sample back from Polaris comparing the use of Castrol Edge 5w-30 and Shell Rotella T6 5w-40.

I try to change the oil and filter every 4000km (double factory interval) as best as I can. Rotella has been in the car the longest between changes at 4443km, my earliest change was around 3600km. So the oil changes average out over the course of the cars life.

A little background note, Edge was in the car for 3200km and Rotella was in the car 4443km. So the wear numbers in certain spots on Rotella are higher but it may be due to the fact that the oil was run in the car longer. Fuel dilution is very well controlled with the Rotella as opposed to the Edge. Both oil sheared down during the run in the car with Rotella doing slightly better having been in the car longer.


http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6055/6370086839_b6d7cd4247_b.jpg

[CelestSpeed3]

In case anyone is wondering I found the SAE Engine Oil Viscosity numbers for Cst @ 100C.

SAE Cst @100C
0 - <3.8
5 - 3.8 to 4.1
10 - 4.1 to 5.6
15 - ----
20 - 5.6 to 9.29
30 - 9.3 to 12.49
40 - 12.5 to 16.29
50 - 16.3 to 21.89
60 - 21.9 to 26.09

So both oil that I ran in my car sheared down below grade.

[Fobio]

Thanks for the info Paul.

[joedemarco]

I did a check of my oil today, and I'm burning quite a lot. a friend suggested 10W 30...he does not own a MS3 but thats just his knowledge of how to fix it.

Would this work? What brand should I use?

[CelestSpeed3]

Rotella T6 5w-40


If you are buring oil through a mechanical issue no change in oil or grad will fix it. Just to be on the safe side do a compression/leakdown test.

[Booostin]

I did a check of my oil today, and I'm burning quite a lot. a friend suggested 10W 30...he does not own a MS3 but thats just his knowledge of how to fix it.

Would this work? What brand should I use?

I thought I was burning through alot of oil but it turned out that I wasnt letting my car sit long enough for all the oil to get back into the pan. I lose about 1/2 litre between changes.

[hemlor]

Put in some Rotella T6 on Saturday. It's probably psychological but it feels a little smoother when shifting. More importantly, I have peace of mind knowing what oil is in the engine, as I replaced dealer oil.

[breakfasteatre]

It wouldnt affect shifting at all. But, i went from penzoil platinum 5w30 back to rotella T and the difference in smoothness is noticeable

[Booostin]

It wouldnt affect shifting at all. But, i went from penzoil platinum 5w30 back to rotella T and the difference in smoothness is noticeable

+1

[hemlor]

like I said, it was probably all in my head. But I did find it smoother. In summary, I like the oil and thank the forum for the information provided.

[standsideways]

just noticed rotella is API SM rated for use in gasoline engines.

and shell lists a 5w30 rotella... my reciept from my oil says "rotellasyn" so warranty on rotella is possible i guess..hm!

[gar_lei]

Bought 7 jugs of 5L T6 today, still have 1/2 case left of Royal Purple. Will try T6 once I finished all the RP

[png]

+1 Rotella T6, Thanks for the recommendation.

I've gone from oem oil to T6 last month and noticed that the engine idles with a bit less vibration. It's been mentioned before, but you'll need 2 jugs to fill the ms3 up to 5.7 quarts. Are you guys using T6 all year round? No problems in the winter?

[rzapata]

+1 Rotella T6, Thanks for the recommendation.

I've gone from oem oil to T6 last month and noticed that the engine idles with a bit less vibration. It's been mentioned before, but you'll need 2 jugs to fill the ms3 up to 5.7 quarts. Are you guys using T6 all year round? No problems in the winter?

You mean 1x5L jug + a bit from the other 5L jug right?

Lots of MS3 owners had used the T6 all year round and it still proves to be the better choice for our cars. I think there's an analysis report for the T6 somewhere in this thread (or in the forum).

[gar_lei]

Ya Celestspeed3 did the test and the result was very good. I'm at my last chance of Royal purple. I bought 7 jugs of T6 last time CT had it on sale. Will switch to it after my track day next weekend

[png]

Yup! just need a bit from the second 5L jug.

[standsideways]

Will switch to it after my track day next weekend
T6 will be better for the track than RP.

Ide be draining that rp before the track if you have 7X5L jugs!

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

Hey there just wanted to mention as ppl are discussing fuel dilution in another thread,(auto Tech internal) if you look at the viscosity number at 100C in Celests results you will see in the first sample at 3,200km with Castrol edge his viscosity # of 8.9 compared to the new properties of the oil at a 9.8. Sample #2 with the shell oil at 4,493km was at 12.2 @100C vs 14.2 of virgin oil. So if you look at these values will give you a better idea of the fuel dilution you are getting and Celest is pretty dam good!

P.S with my oil Amsoil OE at 1,500km I am seeing 7.8 @ 100C virgin oil is 10.8, then at 3,700km 8.1 @100C.
virgin 5W30 is mostly at 10.7 new and 5W/20 is at 8.8 when new. going with a 5W/40 will keep it in grade longer.

[captobvious75]

Everyone says use Rotella T6, but until my warranty is up, i'll stick with a 30 weight oil. I just did my first change using Pennzoil Platinum and the engine runs much smoother. i'll be doing 4-5k intervals, and use the synthetic Fram oil filter since its more than just a paper filter. I asked Mazda what filter they use, and they said the regular mazda and the speed3 both call for the same filter. Pff, no thanks. Bringing in my own oil and filter there going forward

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Everyone says use Rotella T6, but until my warranty is up, i'll stick with a 30 weight oil. I just did my first change using Pennzoil Platinum and the engine runs much smoother. i'll be doing 4-5k intervals, and use the synthetic Fram oil filter since its more than just a paper filter. I asked Mazda what filter they use, and they said the regular mazda and the speed3 both call for the same filter. Pff, no thanks. Bringing in my own oil and filter there going forward

Nothing wrong with Pennzoil Platinum for the daily driver but Fram....really?! (http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html)

[fywdyl]

I asked Mazda what filter they use, and they said the regular mazda and the speed3 both call for the same filter. Pff, no thanks. Bringing in my own oil and filter there going forward

Lol wut? What's wrong with using the same filter? Lemme guess.... FRAM promises +5 hp.

[rzapata]

Lol wut? What's wrong with using the same filter? Lemme guess.... FRAM promises +5 hp.

Apparently, the OEM Mazda spin-on filter is not a "synthetic" oil filter. Now, I'm not so sure exactly how that is (material composition perhaps), but I just stick with K&N for peace of mind.

[pwdunmore]

How's rotella in the winter? Just got the image of peanut butter in my engine when it gets cold lol... and I can't use milk to wash it down :P

[loki]

How's rotella in the winter? Just got the image of peanut butter in my engine when it gets cold lol... and I can't use milk to wash it down :P

it's fine

[breakfasteatre]

5w40
5w30

correct me if im wrong but same viscosity at cold

[pwdunmore]

5w40
5w30

correct me if im wrong but same viscosity at cold

Yupperz... just different when hot apparently. Found some research from a reputable source. Thanks for the clarification guys.

[captobvious75]

Nothing wrong with Pennzoil Platinum for the daily driver but Fram....really?! (http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html)

I would never use a base fram filter, but read about the synthetic/xtend guard ones online and heard good things. Built solidly and even just holding it vs the stocker it was heavier.



Lol wut? What's wrong with using the same filter? Lemme guess.... FRAM promises +5 hp.

No lol sounds like something royal purple would say

[gar_lei]

Anyone here bothers to use German Castrol 0w30 for winter?
Is it worth the change or should just stay with T6?

[TheMAN]

I would use Mobil1 0W40 before I used German Castrol in the DISI Turbo motor :)
but it should be fine

5W40 is the recommended oil for the European MS3, so is Australia
at one point in time, Mazda recommended 5W40 here in the smoking turbo TSB, so I don't think anyone will get in trouble for using 5W40.. in fact, you'll get less likelihood of mechanical problems because it protects better, which therefore means you don't have to take your car in since nothing broke... so because of that, no worries about warranty! ;)

[mikey32235]

yeup, I'm back with another problemo... i did my oil change yesterday, and i check today, it is at empty... any ideas? and no for u smart-ass's my drain plug did not come out lol. thanks

[rzapata]

Did you check the dipschtick on a leveled surface? Either that, or you put the oil in a different opening :chuckle

[Elusivellama]

yeup, I'm back with another problemo... i did my oil change yesterday, and i check today, it is at empty... any ideas? and no for u smart-ass's my drain plug did not come out lol. thanks

This thread really isn't the place to post on a problem like that. Please move it to the random MS3 chat or something.

[mikey32235]

lol yea i checked the dipstick leveled. but there is a weird smell i know somethings wrong. I'm getting really frustrated!

someone please help me!!!

Should i go see jimmy?

[Thrizzl3]

are you blowing blue smoke out the back? if you are..then piston rings are on their way out.

How much oil did you put in?

[mikey32235]

oh ****. well i dont know how long ive been friggen driving with low oil for before, so mabye i ****ed the engine up. there was some white smoke that came out, but then i havent seen it since yesterday. i put lucas sythetic stabilizer in and i havent seen any smoke. and i did a full oil change, 5.3 litres.

[Thrizzl3]

check the plugs to see if there is any oil on them. that would help to find out if the oil is sneaking into the cylinders. How long ago did you do the oil change?

[mikey32235]

ill check the plugs good idea, i just changed the oil yesterday and drove about 50 km believe it or not..

[Thrizzl3]

normally jimmy puts 5.5L...also which oil are you using?

[mikey32235]

amsoil 5w30, but like oil is oil i gotta have some leak somewhere. something isnt right

[Thrizzl3]

well it's raining today so you can't really see if it is leaking on the road/driveway.

[mikey32235]

it was running in my garage (exhaust out) and there was nothing. im gonna check the plugs now.

if there is oil in the plugs, is my engine pretty much ruined?

[Thrizzl3]

most likely..but pray there is no oil on the plugs.

[mikey32235]

I just checked the first plug, no oil so I'm pretty sure that means the others are good right? what should i do next. near where the turbo is on the manifold theres a weird smell coming from that area

[rzapata]

Check all of them. Especially cylinder 3 plugs.

[Mr Wilson]

Did you check oil levels on the dip stick when finished yesterday? did you install a new filter?

[mikey32235]

just checked all plugs, they are all good thank god. yes when i changed the oil i changed the filter as well, and the oil level was at perfect. whats next?

[Thrizzl3]

where is the oil level at now?

[rzapata]

I'd check the area around the turbo since you mentioned something smelling funny down there. Get a clean cloth, try to reach as far down the turbo and wipe the curves/corners to see if there's traces of oil. Check your under tray as well.

Oil just won't disappear like that unless it's being burned or leaking somewhere.

[mikey32235]

just above minimum... and when the car is running, there is a weird smell around the turbo. no blue smoke or anything..

[Thrizzl3]

I'd check the area around the turbo since you mentioned something smelling funny down there. Get a clean cloth, try to reach as far down the turbo and wipe the curves/corners to see if there's traces of oil. Check your under tray as well.

Oil just won't disappear like that unless it's being burned or leaking somewhere.

what riz said

plus check the oil return and feed lines.

[mikey32235]

yea just checked, theres absolutely no sign of oil.. I'm gonna bring it in my shop tomorrow, run it up on the hoist and see if i can catch anything happening live.

[Mr Wilson]

just above minimum... and when the car is running, there is a weird smell around the turbo. no blue smoke or anything..

Ok, so, you've filled it and checked the oil height. Drove and checked it again and it was low, or low when you checked today? Sounds like you haven't lost a lot........if any.

The new filter may have soaked up it's bit and now it's a little lower.

[mazdaspeedemon3]

did you spill oil on anything, if so you will get a burning smell when your car heats up... feel a difference in the way the car runs?

[SKYMP3]

Reading some threads in other forum, saying Rotella T6 5W40 actually affect gas milage, maybe for 50km less in a tank. is this true?
Not like it's a huge deal, just want to hear things from different directions.

[pwdunmore]

I would believe it, I had my oil changed just before christmas to Rotella T6 and I find myself getting less km's (around 50km) per tank compared to before when I was running 5W30 castrol edge.

[Polish_Eagle]

Reading some threads in other forum, saying Rotella T6 5W40 actually affect gas milage, maybe for 50km less in a tank. is this true?
Not like it's a huge deal, just want to hear things from different directions.

No it shouldn't cause the mileage to go down.


I would believe it, I had my oil changed just before christmas to Rotella T6 and I find myself getting less km's (around 50km) per tank compared to before when I was running 5W30 castrol edge.

What probably caused your mileage to drop slightly is the colder weather. In colder weather the car burns more fuel trying to warm up. Also, when its colder outside the car can suck in more air molecules since they are densely packed and thus requires more fuel. So if you do any aggressive pulls you'd be burning more fuel now. The weight change in the oil would barely change your mileage (nothing noticeable).

[MarineMazda]

You guys Drive speeds for god sake!!! What are you worried about gas mileage for? Rotella is proven to Slow down the effect of fuel shear resulting in better lubrication for your engine. Why would you run anything different? Ask any BT high HP speed 3 or 6 on here what oil they run and they will tell you Rotella T6 plain and simple

[rzapata]

:chuckle

[SKYMP3]

You guys Drive speeds for god sake!!! What are you worried about gas mileage for?


My post is not a gas milage complain and I did say it's not a huge deal.
You are just way too sensative when there is any topic related or touch about gas milage.

There is also an option to skip posting when you read someting you don't care about.

[pwdunmore]

Lol... so yeah... it does affect "my" fuel consumption and minus the winter driving part my gas tank is lasting less km's with the switch over. Makes sense to me that the heavier oil would do that for the sacrifice for better protection. More viscous fluid would make it slightly harder for the crank shaft to spin at higher speeds. Of course my understanding of fluid dynamics and physics is very limited... :chuckle

[MarineMazda]

My post is not a gas milage complain and I did say it's not a huge deal.
You are just way too sensative when there is any topic related or touch about gas milage.

There is also an option to skip posting when you read someting you don't care about.


One how does my comment make me sensitive?? The fact that you seem to be butt hurt over it kind of amuses me.

Do you understand that your mileage was not effected from your oil but from the cold weather?

My point was you drive a Turbocharged "high performance" car and if your worried about Gas mileage you should not of bought it!

This was also directed to why anyone would run anything other then Rotella T6 or Penzoil Platnium. It has been proven with numerous OA reports that other oils just can handle the fuel shear in this engine.... But hey it's your car.

[pwdunmore]

Do you understand that your mileage was not effected from your oil but from the cold weather?

I agree with the winter part affecting fuel economy but I disagree with you about oil viscosity affecting mileage... your logic thinking that it doesn't should be explained so people could understand your arguement. Oil viscosity and fuel economy are interrelated from what I have read.

[fywdyl]

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/518/motor-oils

Even if there's an effect, it's negligible:

To pass, the test oil must improve fuel economy one to two percent, depending on viscosity grade.

1%~2% on, say, a 450 km tank is only ~5 km, not 50 km.

Listen to the gurus that have "been there and done that". Many of the guys on here have been driving this car through countless winters and losing 50 km in the winter time is nothing new.

[SKYMP3]

I'm not saying as of now or these days my gas milage is not as good as in summer. I do understnad winter driving affect gas milage. THIS is NOT my question or concern at all.

Also, I'm NOT WORRYING about my gas milage.

The point of my post is only about Rotella T6 5W40, Is it true that it affect gas milage on our cars. Yes or no, if so, why.
Affecting my gas milage doesn't mean I'm worrying about it neither. I'm not saying I will stop using this oil cos it may or may not affecting the car's gas milage.

People jump on the judgement about why MS3 owners care about gas milege whenever there is a question about it. Again, I'm not complaining the gas milage of my Mazdaspeed3 if I have to repeat to make myself clear.

[fywdyl]

I'm not saying as of now or these days my gas milage is not as good as in summer. I do understnad winter driving affect gas milage. THIS is NOT my question or concern at all.

Also, I'm NOT WORRYING about my gas milage.

The point of my post is only about Rotella T6 5W40, Is it true that it affect gas milage on our cars. Yes or no, if so, why.
Affecting my gas milage doesn't mean I'm worrying about it neither. I'm not saying I will stop using this oil cos it may or may not affecting the car's gas milage.

People jump on the judgement about why MS3 owners care about gas milege whenever there is a question about it. Again, I'm not complain the gas milage of my Mazdaspeed3.

Go to above link, short answer: No.

[DamagedGoods]

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/518/motor-oils

Even if there's an effect, it's negligible:

To pass, the test oil must improve fuel economy one to two percent, depending on viscosity grade.

1%~2% on, say, a 450 km tank is only ~5 km, not 50 km.

Listen to the gurus that have "been there and done that". Many of the guys on here have been driving this car through countless winters and losing 50 km in the winter time is nothing new.

I always thought the tears in my eyes when I was filling up were from a cold wind, then I calculated my mileage...

I just fill and ignore now, lol

[SKYMP3]

Go to above link, short answer: No.

Thank you sir.
That is the type of answer I exepct from a car owners community.

[Pacman]

Long time since someone has posted. Is everyone still on the rotella t6 5w-40 bandwagon?

What about a preferred oil filter?

[mickey_g]

rotella is still preferred and will be for the foreseeable future...also recommended are PP, RP, and Amsoil. Oil filter I would say Napa Gold filter, which is a rebranded WIX.

[shift8]

rotella is still preferred and will be for the foreseeable future...also recommended are PP, RP, and Amsoil. Oil filter I would say Napa Gold filter, which is a rebranded WIX.

Thanks! Good to know! No change in this answer dependent on mileage right? (Or year of car?)

[mickey_g]

Nope...those oils will be fine for regular/aggressive street driving and the oil filter is highly recommended. I personally just stick with OEM filter and PP 5w-30 until the warranty runs out...

[rzapata]

mickey_g I believe you've got a spin on oil filter correct? From what I remember, the OEM spin on filter is not designed for synthetic. Unless that's changed within a year...

There's still K&N filters (HP-1002).

[mickey_g]

mickey_g I believe you've got a spin on oil filter correct? From what I remember, the OEM spin on filter is not designed for synthetic. Unless that's changed within a year...

There's still K&N filters (HP-1002).

Yeah the gen 2 uses a spin-on. The filter seems to be holding up fine. I did a couple of oil changes at Jimmy's and he uses OEM oil filter w/ synthetic. I mentioned that to him and he said that as long as you are changing the oil by 7K then it should be fine. Lots of debate regarding Oil/Oil filter. The Napa Gold gets my vote though. Lots of praise on that on MSF.

[rzapata]

There's a thread on MSF comparing different types of oil filters. The guy explained how different filters have different filtering media and how effective they are. I'll post it up when I get a chance. It's good information.

[shift8]

There's a thread on MSF comparing different types of oil filters. The guy explained how different filters have different filtering media and how effective they are. I'll post it up when I get a chance. It's good information.

Cool looking forward to it. I plan to start changing my own oil at the next oil change. I had it done at Brampton Mazda recently since I wanted to get the warranty transferred and they waved the $35 transfer fee since I was having an inspection done anyways (bought the car used). Next one up though is happening in the driveway :)

[Fack_Dude]

Cool looking forward to it. I plan to start changing my own oil at the next oil change. I had it done at Brampton Mazda recently since I wanted to get the warranty transferred and they waved the $35 transfer fee since I was having an inspection done anyways (bought the car used). Next one up though is happening in the driveway :)

Just remember to put in new oil after draining the old oil. Lol

[shift8]

Just remember to put in new oil after draining the old oil. Lol

Great tip! Sticky! :D

[TheMAN]

"OEM" spin on oil filter is a rebadged purolator classic... why waste money on it when the same money can get you a purolator pure one, which is far better

[Pacman]

So I just called in to a Mazda dealer, and they told me I should not be putting synthetic oil in my speed3, as Mazda does not approve/recommend it. ?! :whoa

[shift8]

So I just called in to a Mazda dealer, and they told me I should not be putting synthetic oil in my speed3, as Mazda does not approve/recommend it. ?! :whoa

That seems weird since I was just at the Mazda dealership to change my oil and they recommended synthetic due to the kilometers on the car (it's been getting synthetic since about 80,000km).

Which dealership? :\

[TheMAN]

who cares? would you rather follow them or follow exactly what the book says and have a worn down turbo or engine by the time the warranty expires or enjoy many trouble free miles because synthetic protected your engine and turbo?

besides, NO WHERE in the manual does it says you shouldn't or can't use synthetic... it is neither approved or disapproved to use synthetic... you just need to meet the requirements stated in the manual
rotella T6 5W40 synthetic is what most people run because it's better and doesn't cause problems

[mickey_g]

So I just called in to a Mazda dealer, and they told me I should not be putting synthetic oil in my speed3, as Mazda does not approve/recommend it. ?! :whoa

LOL...go to another dealer

[Pacman]

Maybe they misunderstood me? Westowne. But they did recommend I bring In the oil and show them and have a chat.

Any West end dealer that will change my oil with rotella t6? Car is still under warranty

[Mr Wilson]

Westowne will change with whatever you bring in.....they may just mention what kind of oil it is on the bill.

I've been running T6 pretty much from the day I got the car and normally get the dealer to change it. Never had an issue.

[Pacman]

I think I'm going to go in and see what they say. Paul, do you use stock oil filters? Or do you bring in another filter? If so what do you use?

[rzapata]

Cool looking forward to it. I plan to start changing my own oil at the next oil change. I had it done at Brampton Mazda recently since I wanted to get the warranty transferred and they waved the $35 transfer fee since I was having an inspection done anyways (bought the car used). Next one up though is happening in the driveway :)

Ha, found it.

BEST OIL FILTER (http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f427/oil-covered-now-what-best-oil-filter-106998/)

If you're unsure about what filter to use, this might help you decide.

[Mr Wilson]

I think I'm going to go in and see what they say. Paul, do you use stock oil filters? Or do you bring in another filter? If so what do you use?

Just use oem

[captobvious75]

Just use oem

I use a mobil1 synthetic oil filter with PP 5w30. I didn't want to use Mazda's oil filter cause its the exact same one they use on their non Turbo 3s

[Mr Wilson]

-- Black Mica Mazdaspeed 3 --
STOCK FTW ... well because warranty

except on oil filters....

[Pacman]

Looks like its stock oil change for now. Apparently mazda only fills the 2011 speed 3 disi engine with conventional oil at 5w30. If I put anything else in it'll void my warranty.

[Thrizzl3]

Looks like its stock oil change for now. Apparently mazda only fills the 2011 speed 3 disi engine with conventional oil at 5w30. If I put anything else in it'll void my warranty.

that's so dumb. i'd choose a different dealer. Putting a grade higher to protect the motor more will void warranty? lol wow...

[Mr Wilson]

Think breakfasteatre had the same issue.

GenJuans don't seem to follow as they had 5w-40 as a fix for the smoking turbo.

[captobvious75]

-- Black Mica Mazdaspeed 3 --
STOCK FTW ... well because warranty

except on oil filters....

Didn't think it counts lol

[TheMAN]

Looks like its stock oil change for now. Apparently mazda only fills the 2011 speed 3 disi engine with conventional oil at 5w30. If I put anything else in it'll void my warranty.

as I said, there's nothing stated in the manual that running synthetic will void your warranty
READ THE MANUAL CAREFULLY

[pwdunmore]

as I said, there's nothing stated in the manual that running synthetic will void your warranty
READ THE MANUAL CAREFULLY

Agreed, the company would have to prove the synethetic oil was the issue to refuse warranty. If they did that to me I would lawyer up pretty dam fast :P

On another note...
This thread is for people who want what is best for the car and we all know conventional oil breaks down a lot faster than rotella t6/PP.
Stop bogging up this thread with warranty crap... we all care about it but it only matters if you get a smoking turbo or have oil system issues.

[TheMAN]

if you're so worried about the damned warranty and bending over pleasing the dealer, go ahead and run the 5W30 dino piss... you should think about selling the car after the warranty expires/paid off too because at that point, running crap oil will have worn down your engine and turbo enough that it won't be worth keeping

IF running better oil voids the warranty, who f'ing cares? The engine and turbo are better protected, and they wear less... shouldn't that cause LESS problems than the recommended crap? Besides that, they have very little way of proving you're running synthetic or a thicker grade oil at first glance
fact of the matter is, the likelihood of the engine blowing up due to a defect is so unlikely because if there was an issue, it would have blown up the first few weeks of owning the car... beyond that, the only reason why it will blow up or go bad is due to stupidity

[rzapata]

Yeah, there's too much information available already. If people still argue about "because dealer says this and that," let them. No point convincing stubborn people. Let's come back to this though a few years down the road....

[Mr Wilson]

Moved discussion to the proper thread.

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?27852-Oil-Information-Thread/page2

This is the Speed 3 oil thread.

[Elusivellama]

So I just called in to a Mazda dealer, and they told me I should not be putting synthetic oil in my speed3, as Mazda does not approve/recommend it. ?! :whoa

Kind of late reply, but don't go back to that dealer

[Karmaspeed]

Looks like its stock oil change for now. Apparently mazda only fills the 2011 speed 3 disi engine with conventional oil at 5w30. If I put anything else in it'll void my warranty.
FYI I go to Whitby Mazda for my services and they use Castrol Synthetic which they stock normally on my 2012 speed3; so your dealership is either full of BS, lying, or just plain stupid.

edit: I just read all the posts after your post and realized that your dealership was already pretty much labeled as stupid

[TheSinghShow5]

Just switched last week from mobil 5w-30 to rotella 5w-40 and what a difference it makes. My car just feels more smooth when its running. I really notice the diffrent on cold starts in the morning too.

[hemlor]

40% off 5L Pennzoil Platinum jugs at CT until April 10 for those that use this oil. I'm using Rotella but this is a great price, thinking of picking up a few jugs

[captobvious75]

Sick thanks

[SomeGuy]

Anyone try the new Pennzoil Platinum with Pure Plus? It's apparently a GTL oil (natural gas based) replacement for regular Pennzoil Platinum. We know that PP is the usual alternative to Rotella T6 if you want 5w30 weight, so the hope is this new one is just as good as the old one.

It's also on for $26.99 at Napa for the month of May, so would be the time to stock up if it's good.

[mickey_g]

Anyone try the new Pennzoil Platinum with Pure Plus? It's apparently a GTL oil (natural gas based) replacement for regular Pennzoil Platinum. We know that PP is the usual alternative to Rotella T6 if you want 5w30 weight, so the hope is this new one is just as good as the old one.

It's also on for $26.99 at Napa for the month of May, so would be the time to stock up if it's good.

will be putting it in tomorrow...may be will send it for analysis to see. On another note cdn tire now carries penn ultra

[ChrisDuffy705]

Awesome thread .... I ran Mobil 1 in my civic .... returning the oil and buying a better brand.

[Fobio]

Updated info about T6:


Rotella T6 is ok for this year( still has a bit too much detergent due to Diesel Cj-4 rating ) They will reformulate T6 next year for new PC-11 Diesel rating.That will make the P04( Phosporus/zinc lower for the new emisions equipped diesels.

So stock up on T6 if thats your oil of choice.It is not going to meet
New JASO Motorcycle oil standards (MA1, MA2):

JASO effectively added the JASO-MA2 & JASO-MA1 specifications by splitting the existing JASO-MA spec into two groups by friction-performance (MA1 is the lower friction oils; MA2 the higher friction oils suitable for bikes).
The change came out as final/approved in 2006 in response to catalytic converters becoming widespread in bikes (EPA/EU requirements); it was also prompted in part by the car-lobby of the JASO organization wanting to specify a subset of the JASO-MA oils for use in their cars (the low friction oils, which become JASO-MA1). JASO-MA2 is just starting to show up in the US Market as a rating because this is the first year that catalytic converter-equipped bikes are widespread.

Aside from splitting the MA spec into two sub-groups, the new specs add a phosphorous content ceiling (better protect catalytic converters by using less, but phosphorous is also anti-wear additive, so it could be less start-up protection). JASO-MA2 being the heavier friction oils most suitable for motorcycle use will become the common standard for Japanese-built (and many Euro-built) motorcycles for the '08 and later model years.

Note that JASO-MA2 can now be API SJ formulated, but API SL & API SM formulations still directly contradict JASO-MA/MA1/MA2 standards because of the use of friction modifiers that are not wet-clutch compatible.

The JASO-MA (no suffix number) still remains in effect as well. For the Kats, API SF/SG + JASO-MA rated oils will remain the oils of choice until they are no longer available.

[loki]

So basically what you're saying is.....

Fobio

[Mr Wilson]

To paraphrase Neil through Vince

Less anti-wear additives. Most have less anyways, so this brings T6 to be more of the norm. Still most likely will be the leader for it's resistance to fuel dilution.

[MaleJadeLy]

Any advice on specific oil for the bone chilling thunder bay winters?
or is Rotella still the god among oils

[Mr Wilson]

A 5W-30 (something like German Castrol) might help with cold starts. Won't compare to a block heater or heated garage though.

[mazdasport]

Any advice on specific oil for the bone chilling thunder bay winters?
or is Rotella still the god among oils

Get a block heater/battery warmer almost every parking spot up there has a plug in or access to one I work up there alot in the winter

[MaleJadeLy]

Get a block heater/battery warmer almost every parking spot up there has a plug in or access to one I work up there alot in the winter


A 5W-30 (something like German Castrol) might help with cold starts. Won't compare to a block heater or heated garage though.

Any suggestions on a specific one/where to find one for a decent price?

[Flagrum_3]

A 5W-30 (something like German Castrol) might help with cold starts. Won't compare to a block heater or heated garage though.

Block heaters are good if you can find places to plug them in. Problem is the deep cold also drains batteries. Purchasing a nice deep cycle battery will help immensely, (costly but worth it).

The German Castrol is 0W-30 and a true synthetic, pourpoint is good down to -45C...I've used it for years and never an issue starting, no matter what the temp.

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[MaleJadeLy]

Block heaters are good if you can find places to plug them in. Problem is the deep cold also drains batteries. Purchasing a nice deep cycle battery will help immensely, (costly but worth it).

The German Castrol is 0W-30 and a true synthetic, pourpoint is good down to -45C...I've used it for years and never an issue starting, no matter what the temp.

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I guess i'm now on the hunt for some of this GC 0W-30 shtufff

I'll have access to a plug so now I shall find myself a block heater...I really don't want to ask a dealer because I feel like they'll be unreasonable in terms of prices

[greyseason]

I guess i'm now on the hunt for some of this GC 0W-30 shtufff

I'll have access to a plug so now I shall find myself a block heater...I really don't want to ask a dealer because I feel like they'll be unreasonable in terms of prices
I heard it is a bitch to install your own but have never looked into it

[DreCyrus]

Tried going through this thread way to much to read can someone give me some quick recommendations on which brand in oil you guys use on every oil change or season wise.

[nigvlb_]

Tried going through this thread way to much to read can someone give me some quick recommendations on which brand in oil you guys use on every oil change or season wise.

Rotella T6 5W-40 (Personal preference), Penzoil Platinum 5W-30, Castrol Edge 5W-30 (OEM at most dealerships, used this before I switched to T6)

All great oils and recommended by many. Hope this helps!

[Mr Wilson]

DreCyrus this is Speed specific.

[DreCyrus]

DreCyrus this is Speed specific.

I have a speed ... lol

[nigvlb_]

I have a speed ... lol

Check a few posts down, I gave some of the best oils you can run in your speed.

[Mr Wilson]

I have a speed ... lol

Updated your info I see. Just wanted to make sure.

[DreCyrus]

Check a few posts down, I gave some of the best oils you can run in your speed.


Yeah saw it thanks a lot

[DreCyrus]

Can a mod merge my post to my last one

Looking online idk if I'm tripping but it says diesel oil for the rotella t6

[boyracer]

Can a mod merge my post to my last one

Looking online idk if I'm tripping but it says diesel oil for the rotella t6

No, you are not tripping. This quote is from MajesticBlueNTO


But "why a diesel oil"?

The DISI is far more tougher on oil than the regular, port-injected 2.0L/2.3L. Coupled with Mazda's poor PCV design and the fuel dilution, and you get the requirement that the oil you put in your MS3 has to put up with a f*(king harsh environment. This harsh environment shears down the oil in between oil changes -- your 5w30 is now closer to a 20weight; use 5w20 and it's down to a 10wt with the viscosity approaching that of water. You want something that is shear stable and HDEO's provide that protection -- Rotella is used on diesels that go millions of miles before a rebuild.

The other issue is that oils with a low flash point will coke up the valves quicker. A HDEO diesel oil, and a quality synthetic like those Fobio listed, will typically have a higher flash point that will limit the coking of the valves.

What I'll be doing is using Rotella T6 for Spring, Summer, Fall and German Castrol 0w30 for winter.

All this information is contained within TM3 and out there on MSF and BITOG; and Fobio and I have done our research and put it to the test (him moreso than me as I've only had my MS3 for 10,000 miles).

[Lucster]

Where is the best place to buy Rotella T6 ? What are you paying for it ?