Lets Discuss Immigration

[Default User]

I got this chain eMail today (hoping there was a good joke at the end). After reading, I thought that this would be a good discussion to have on these boards.


Australia says NO - Second Time he has done this !
He's done it again..

He sure isn't backing down on his hard line stance and one has to appreciate his belief in the rights of his native countrymen.

A breath of fresh air to see someone lead.
I wish some leaders would step up in Canada & USA .


Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

This man should be appointed King of the World.. Truer words have never been spoken.

It took a lot of courage for this man to speak what he had to say for the world to hear. The retribution could be phenomenal, but at least he was willing to take a stand on his and Australia 's beliefs. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.. Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. ' 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here.
So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada & USA , WE will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths. If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON, to as many people as you know


Please refrain from racist or prejudice slurs

[hit26k]

at first it seems harsh but I don't blame the PM for saying what he did. Personally, if you don't like the laws, people or religion, why choose to live there? it only causes grief in the end. I totally agree with the language situation. Don't come to an English speaking country and bother to not learn the language.

[PearlM3]

Oh man, can you say can of worms much. I personally have no problem with people immigrating to this great country, my wife and her family immigrated here from Romania 20 years ago. BUT!!!!, when they moved here, they immediatly immersed themselves in OUR culture, they started learning english, and practising our customs. They were proud to become Canadians, and to enjoy the freedoms that have been freely given to them.

The problem I see nowadays, is that Canada has made immigration so easy that alot of people that come to OUR great country feel that we owe them something. That they can come here, live off our system, use our medicare, all that stuff, and never work or become a productive member of society. They dont' want to learn english, they want us to learn their language, they don't want to have anything to do with our customs, but they want us to accept theirs.

I'm all for people coming to our country, the diversity of our country is what makes it the best place to live in the world, but i'm sick of people coming here and not being productive, or trying to change us!

[Default User]

agreed - but the diversity came from immigrants that brought "a bit of home" with them when they came to Canada.

[KenYork]

yes... "a bit of home" not most of it.

[raghtal]

Yes, but that bit of 'diversity' was compatible with existing social customs, and did not contradict the rules, laws and principles of the laws of the land. Just like how people of a nation or society in another country would expect me to respect their local customs, make an attempt to understand their language, enjoy their culture, I would expect visitors to Canada, and those who chose to remain here and eventually become CITIZENS, to do the same.

One things I love about Canada is that you can find people from all walks of life, from many different religions, nations, cultures and experiences, all have a lot in common. It's when a group or a set of individuals who also immigrated here, like the rest of us "non-indigenous people", decide that they don't want to live by the same rules of laws or common set of social customs and principles, that the rest of the people here have a big problem with that.

[Default User]

here's another one...



A Somalian arrives in Vancouver as a new immigrant to Canada. He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says ... 'Thank you Mr. Canadian for letting me in this country, giving me housing, money for food, free medical care, free education and no taxes!' The passerby says, 'You are mistaken, I am Mexican.'
The man goes on and encounters another passerby. ' Thank you for having such a beautiful country here in Canada !' The person says, 'I not Canadian, I am Filipino.'
The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops, shakes his hand and says, 'Thank you for the wonderful Canada!' That person puts up his hand and says, 'I am from Middle East , I am not Canadian !'
He finally sees a nice lady and asks, 'Are you a Canadian ?' She says , 'No, I am from Africa !'
Puzzled, he asks her, 'Where are all the Canadians ?'
The African lady checks her watch and says ...'Probably at work'

[FoXy]

Oh man, can you say can of worms much. I personally have no problem with people immigrating to this great country, my wife and her family immigrated here from Romania 20 years ago. BUT!!!!, when they moved here, they immediatly immersed themselves in OUR culture, they started learning english, and practising our customs. They were proud to become Canadians, and to enjoy the freedoms that have been freely given to them.

The problem I see nowadays, is that Canada has made immigration so easy that alot of people that come to OUR great country feel that we owe them something. That they can come here, live off our system, use our medicare, all that stuff, and never work or become a productive member of society. They dont' want to learn english, they want us to learn their language, they don't want to have anything to do with our customs, but they want us to accept theirs.

I'm all for people coming to our country, the diversity of our country is what makes it the best place to live in the world, but i'm sick of people coming here and not being productive, or trying to change us!

I agree, If you plan to move to this country, learn how to speak one of our National languages, fluently or don't bother moving here at all. I am tired of dealing with people who don't speak English and then get pissy and defensive about it. I mean what do you expect? If I decided to move to Germany, or France or Spain, I would expect that I would have to learn their language to thrive there, so why not do the same. You can't come here and expect us to change the school systems just because there are more immigrants with different beliefs here. We have 2 existing school systems... public, and Catholic, and I guess private counts as one, so pick one and live with it. If you want to teach something different there are plenty of extra curricular programs you can avail yourself of.

[FoXy]

here's another one...

lol working... afterall, we have to support all the people on welfare and all the people collecting subsody.

[Slade]

The problem I see nowadays, is that Canada has made immigration so easy that alot of people that come to OUR great country feel that we owe them something. That they can come here, live off our system, use our medicare, all that stuff, and never work or become a productive member of society. They dont' want to learn english, they want us to learn their language, they don't want to have anything to do with our customs, but they want us to accept theirs.

I'm all for people coming to our country, the diversity of our country is what makes it the best place to live in the world, but i'm sick of people coming here and not being productive, or trying to change us!

I couldn't have said it any better myself!

If your coming here for refuge, then adapt and accept, if your coming here to change this land to your old, then go back where you came from!

[raghtal]

If you want to teach something different there are plenty of extra curricular programs you can avail yourself of.

and there are a lot of examples where if there is enough demand, these non-public schools get setup and people enrol in them.
doesn't mean you stop supporting the publicly funded one that the majority of citizens rely upon

What some of the people who immigrate here tend to forget is that the majority of the people who helped establish the infrastructure and nation that they now see, relied upon and continue to rely upon publicly funded education, healthcare, law enforcement and services that all of us contribute too for the betterment of everyone.

If you're not here for the greater good, just who are you here for?

[Pokey]

This is going to be a long thread. I agree with everything posted so far - you come here, you accept OUR way of life. If you want to continue the honour killings, stonings, beheadings and whatever else was done in the country you came from, going back there is a sure way to bring back your good ol' days.

I think Canada makes it too easy to become a citizen. And those who are not citizens are given too many rights just by being within the country. No immigrant should be given free housing, healthcare and legal representation the first day they show up at the border. We do this then look at the "deductions" line on the paycheques and shake our head and wonder why....

[SilentJay]

:S Huge can of worms indeed. The problem is, although a huge portion of the population feels this way, their hands are being tied in at least 2 ways:

1) We're being taxed to death, and must work day and night to make ends meet. Who has the strength to protest?
2) Over-political correctness. At the risk of being branded a Chinese black-panther hate mongering nazi, i'll say that we in the GTA are too afraid to stand up for ourselves, and allow some immigrants to franchise on a wishy-washy political system. I decline to comment about other areas as I have no experience with them, though I suspect it is much the same.

[n00bMeiSter]

I agree with pokey, and everything else said thus far. Our government is too soft on immigration because they are desperate for more populace. We also have too many states of "immigrantness" (yes it's a real word, i just used it, that makes it real) (or maybe the word I'm looking for is "ignorantness" — and yes that's a word because the WYSIWYG editor on this site said it was). You can be a landed immigrant, a permanent resident, you can get your citizenship, and i think there's a couple others. Plus you can also get a green card and different types of visa's too. Our government has made it too easy to get into this country and too easy to take advantage of our publicly funded systems like healthcare. I don't bust my butt every day so that I can pay for someone (who's not even a [productive] member of our society (technically)) to get medical treatment without contributing to that pool at all. And then they end up getting into surgery ahead of someone who actually -is- paying into healthcare, and the person who is paying taxes gets screwed (either dies, or ends up with something permanent that could have been fixed in time).
/end incomprehensible on-the-way-to-a-meeting rant

[prinsesa]

+1 on the can of worms lol

But tbh, it's not that easy to come to Canada. I migrated to Canada five years ago, and I couldnt have migrated without my father, we had to pass a system that scores the main applicant, since my dad had the money + profession, and we had dual citizenship in a first AND third world country, we were able to migrate. There's basically three popular ways that people use to migrate into Canada: be sponsored, claim refugee status or to apply through immigration as an indepedent). We waited SEVEN years to migrate to Canada guys lol so no, I don't think immigration is too "soft" lol

I totally understand why the PM would say such things, but I think they're just focusing on the immigrants who DOESNT want to learn English or 'blend in' and follow the culture. Not all immigrants are ignorant, but you really only hear from those immigrants who would say something like "Oh they're all probably still at work" because the rest of the immigrants have blended in, have adapted to the culture, learned English and consider themselves as Canadians.

[hit26k]

I totally understand why the PM would say such things, but I think they're just focusing on the immigrants who DOESNT want to learn English or 'blend in' and follow the culture.

sadly enough, the immigrants who involve themselves with the Canadian culture and learn about our lifestyle get no recognition...

[prinsesa]

sadly enough, the immigrants who involve themselves with the Canadian culture and learn about our lifestyle get no recognition...

I know, but..to be honest, why do we need recognition anyways? lol (It would be nice though but not mandatory) I mean, it's just what you do when you move to a new place, I mean if I moved to a new neighbourhood, I wouldnt demand my new neighbours to throw me a welcome party, and I also wouldnt demand them to change the days when the trash is being picked up just cause it doesnt go well with my schedule. Riiiiight?

Just my 2 cents. Im just saying that people are all on this huge thing about immigrants not adapting, but I mean, not allllll immigrants are that way.

[SilentJay]

^^ Agreed. Like most things in life, it only takes 1 bad apple to ruin it for everyone else.

[Default User]

Let’s also remember, the “white man” (and I’m using this term generically) were not the first inhabitants of Canada, US or Australia.


'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented

I disagree with this statement as, although the nation may have been built with Christian Principles, the definitely were not founded by them.

I know I failed High School History class, but I do remember that there were Native Aboriginals here way before “the Smiths”. So you figure they would be a little more understanding when it comes to immigration

[hit26k]

I know, but..to be honest, why do we need recognition anyways? lol. I mean, it's just what you do when you move to a new place, I mean if I moved to a new neighbourhood, I wouldnt demand my new neighbours to throw me a welcome party, and I also wouldnt demand them to change the days when the trash is being picked up just cause it doesnt go well with my schedule. Riiiiight?

Just my 2 cents. Im just saying that people are all on this huge thing about immigrants not adapting, but I mean, not allllll immigrants are that way.

I'm with you on that one. maybe not recognition but more like acknowledgement? It seems that when you hear about immigration in the news, its never anything good.

[PearlM3]

Whey does an immigrant need recognition, how about instead we give you a SAFE place to live, free health care, a thriving(better than most places in the world) economy. Free schooling, Free social programs. Non of which you are required to pay for, they are freely given in the hopes that you will work to help pay for them.

[Ex-Rolla]

I don't agree with majority of the comments, but it's difficult to explain why. It's just not sitting well.

I guess it's easy for us to say "you move here, learn the effin langueage". It's easy because most of us were either born here, moved here very young, or English as a second language has become more common.

I'm thinking of my grandfather that moved here when he was 75 (so about 12 to 15 years ago). He left the country due to turmoil, looking for a better life. At that age, it would be next to impossible for him to learn english. I'll use Foxy's example where she said "I agree, If you plan to move to this country, learn how to speak one of our National languages, fluently or don't bother moving here at all." Keeping this in mind, assuming you worked in a convenient store or something and my granfather walked in to buy a pack of smokes, using his limited english, making every effort to try and explain what it is he wants, is it good to think that way? Basically telling my grandfather to GTFO of the country?

On the other had my Father came into the country when he was 22. For about 4 years he didn't speak a word of english. After taking a number of night classes, he learned the language and after so many years is now very fluent.

So i see both sides of the argument, but many of the comments here are very insensitive. Asking "why" a person decided to move to Canada in the first place is important.

it's not so cut and dry.

[taz4432]

While I agree with the overall view that yes, if someone is coming here to live, they should make the effort to learn at least one of the national languages and take the time to learn about and understand the 'Canadian' culture/way of life, I also understand that people come here under different circumstances (wartime refugees, disaster victims, etc.). This is fine - we should be honoured that our country does this (although it didn't always - i.e. WW2) - as long as an effort is made once they are here. Nobody says they have to be the most fluent or literate, or the most culturally aware, but at least make the effort (as mentioned, is it fair to expect a senior citizen coming here because they have nowhere else to go to learn these things to a T?). All this being said, I think 100% assimilation is a terrible thing to have.
Cultures and languages are fascinating and no one should be forced to give those up - but as mentioned, they (the immigrant) should not be forcing their's on us either. I *love* the cultures my family and community has, the languages we speak and the cultures and languages of the friends and people around me. Part of the beauty of Canada is the immense diversity and I think it's important that we remember that diversity is one of the things Canada sells itself with.
Diversity and celebrating one's own culture/heritage is good; trying to force foreign languages and culture on to Canada/Canadians is bad. Mix it in a bit, sure, but don't replace it.

It's also important that even long-time Canadians (I was born here but am first-and-a-half gen so I by no means come from a 'long-time' Canadian family) remember that - as mentioned - the Natives were here long before us and that they too deserve a place in our country's books and on it's walls.

And, going off on a tangent from books, Catholic schools should NOT be funded by the government. If the government is going to fund private religious education for one religion, it should be obligated to fund for all (religions). Otherwise, stop funding the Catholic schools. I'm pretty sure even the Catholics/Christians amongst us can agree that it is not in any way a fair system, especially in a country that preaches diversity, multiculturalism and everyone being equal.

[prinsesa]

Whey does an immigrant need recognition, how about instead we give you a SAFE place to live, free health care, a thriving(better than most places in the world) economy. Free schooling, Free social programs. Non of which you are required to pay for, they are freely given in the hopes that you will work to help pay for them.
I hate it when people say "we give you this or that". It's all about working together, if you're giving an immigrant free health care, safe place to live, etc. then the immigrant is also giving you those things as well.

There are immigrants who are unemployed, but there are ALSO Canadians who are unemployed.

[PearlM3]

I hate it when people say "we give you this or that". It's all about working together, if you're giving an immigrant free health care, safe place to live, etc. then the immigrant is also giving you those things as well.

There are immigrants who are unemployed, but there are ALSO Canadians who are unemployed.

It is given to the immigrant, and by we I refer to Canadians, those born here, and those already immigrated. See that is what i'm talking about, after an immigrant is here, and has become productive then yes it is working together, but when they immigrate here, for all canadians know they could be coming here to just sponge off of us. But we are willing to take that chance, and GIVE the immigrant all the benefits that those of us who have lived here for 10 + generations have worked for.

[prinsesa]

It is given to the immigrant, and by we I refer to Canadians, those born here, and those already immigrated. See that is what i'm talking about, after an immigrant is here, and has become productive then yes it is working together, but when they immigrate here, for all canadians know they could be coming here to just sponge off of us. But we are willing to take that chance, and GIVE the immigrant all the benefits that those of us who have lived here for 10 + generations have worked for.
Like I said, NOT ALL CANADIANS ARE EMPLOYED.

So, before my Canadian citizenship ceremony, I was considered an immigrant. And was EMPLOYED, paying taxes, etc. SO at that time, I had the right to tell your unemployed Canadian friends that I'm giving them healthcare, safe place to live, etc. ?

You're generalizing immigrants. I've been here less than 10 years dude. So that means YOU and OTHER CANADIANS are giving me free healthcare, a safe place to live, etc ? Uh, I don't think so lol

[FoXy]

I'm thinking of my grandfather that moved here when he was 75 (so about 12 to 15 years ago). He left the country due to turmoil, looking for a better life. At that age, it would be next to impossible for him to learn english. I'll use Foxy's example where she said "I agree, If you plan to move to this country, learn how to speak one of our National languages, fluently or don't bother moving here at all." Keeping this in mind, assuming you worked in a convenient store or something and my granfather walked in to buy a pack of smokes, using his limited english, making every effort to try and explain what it is he wants, is it good to think that way? Basically telling my grandfather to GTFO of the country?



I also said "If I decided to move to Germany, or France or Spain, I would expect that I would have to learn their language to thrive there, so why not do the same."

If you are 75 and move this country well and are "too old" to learn (cus apparently once you get old you can't learn anymore) then that is unfortunate but no one is gonna tell a 75 year old guy to gfto. We arent refering to ppl who are in the latter part of their life and just trying to finish things off here, we are talking about the ppl who want to function in society here and act like this country owes them a favour because, we let them in so lets take advantage of the system cus its easier here.

I am not sorry for being "insensative", I work damn hard to bring home my paycheck because I know its the right thing to do but some ppl just sit at home and have excuse after excuse as to why they are sucking off the system.

[FoXy]

Not just talkin about immigrants either, we got PLENTY of white trash here too.

[prinsesa]

Did you know that some seniors also return back to Canada just because of the retirement benefits?

You have to stay in Canada for 10 years (obtain Citizenship during that time) and then you can go back to your native country, and then go back to Canada when you're 65 to reap the benefits.

(So for those who said they're born here, their parents were born here but their grandparents were immigrants, these might be the people who are also using the system)

So you can't even say that we have to excuse people who are living the latter part of their life.

Just sayinggggggg! lol There's a lot of issues around this topic lol Noone is really right or wrong, when it comes down to it, it really depends on that person on how they would like to live life lol

[billd80]

I agree @ least somewhat with what he said. Bottom line is if YOU were to move to a foriegn country would you do so expecting to not even bother learning the native language? I sure as hell wouldn't.

[JSI]

Yes there are a lot of Canadian's who are unemployed, who do you think took their job?

[Ex-Rolla]

I guess that's where my opinion differs. I don't mind indirectly paying for someone while they enjoy the benefits of living in a free country, as long as it's for the betterment of their way of life and knowing they will contribute positively to the society once they get their feet on the ground (learn the language, start actively looking for work etc).

Of course, and it's unfortunate, there is no way to know with 100% certainty, how many immigrants are trying to positively impact Canada.

Call me naive, but i believe in there being much more honest people then dishonest ones. While trying to aggressively control immigration, we may end up closing the door to genuinely good people.

With that said, better regulation is necessary, but many extreme views i don't agree with.

[Pokey]

I just don't like how in Canada, when someone asks what you are, you'll hear "I'm Italian-Canadian" whereas once an immigrant obtains citizenship in the USA he will proudly declare that he is "American".

It's like we're here, but really want to be back there......

Immigration does make the country more interesting, but I believe that the bar to come here is set much too low in some cases, whereas others ^^ mentioned that it took 7 years. Makes you wonder, had you shown up with no papers at the border and claimed refugee, could the process be faster in your case? I believe that it would.

[prinsesa]

Yes there are a lot of Canadian's who are unemployed, who do you think took their job?

People who are smarter than you? And not ignorant?


I just don't like how in Canada, when someone asks what you are, you'll hear "I'm Italian-Canadian" whereas once an immigrant obtains citizenship in the USA he will proudly declare that he is "American".

Because people are proud of their nationality, and I don't think that's a bad thing at all.



It's like we're here, but really want to be back there......

Cause in some cases, like mine, it wasnt my choice to move to Canada, but now I want to stay here :) I was really home sick and in culture shock, I never had to take the bus before and I couldnt accept the fact that Mississauga was even considered a city lol



Immigration does make the country more interesting, but I believe that the bar to come here is set much too low in some cases, whereas others ^^ mentioned that it took 7 years. Makes you wonder, had you shown up with no papers at the border and claimed refugee, could the process be faster in your case? I believe that it would.

I don't know how that happens with claiming refugee, I know you cannot be in receipt of social assistance if you do not have a status.

[JSI]

People who are smarter than you? And not ignorant?



Trust me, I know exactly what I am talking about, and I am so far from ignorant on this subject.
I am married to an immigrant. She feels the same way. This country has a problem with selective immigration.

Honestly you are the ignorant one “prinsesa”.
People that are well educated and would make amazing additions to Canadian society have to jump though hoops and take years to get into this country.

Other people can walk right in because of loop holes in the system for people with IT training. I have one person that works for me. He’s been here for three months and has just brought his whole family to Canada. I also know people who have not been able to see their family for years and the government won’t even look at all the papers that have been sending to help them immigrate.

I know a woman who’s sister has been missing for 5 days and is afraid she has been killed because her husband that she was trying to divorce threatened to. She couldn’t immigrate her because it cost $15,000 to come from her country.

But really I get the feeling you just want to argue with people.

[FoXy]

I agree, for some ppl it seems so easy for them. Like one person goes thru the effort to get in then they drag over their entire family, and then there is like 12 of them living in one house. I used to live in Scarbs and I saw it ALL the time. Where I work there are lots of immigrants here, one of the Engineers I work for came here with his wife to start a family and he makes enough money to support the whole family so she doesn't have to work. But then there are some people who are un-educated, or under-educated and they come here and BOMB cus they can't thrive because they have no skills to offer.

[prinsesa]

Trust me, I know exactly what I am talking about, and I am so far from ignorant on this subject.
I am married to an immigrant. She feels the same way. This country has a problem with selective immigration.

Honestly you are the ignorant one “prinsesa”.
People that are well educated and would make amazing additions to Canadian society have to jump though hoops and take years to get into this country.

Other people can walk right in because of loop holes in the system for people with IT training. I have one person that works for me. He’s been here for three months and has just brought his whole family to Canada. I also know people who have not been able to see their family for years and the government won’t even look at all the papers that have been sending to help them immigrate.

I know a woman who’s sister has been missing for 5 days and is afraid she has been killed because her husband that she was trying to divorce threatened to. She couldn’t immigrate her because it cost $15,000 to come from her country.

But really I get the feeling you just want to argue with people.

LOL Please..You're the one who said "Yes there are a lot of Canadian's who are unemployed, who do you think took their job?" Don't say you're not ignorant after you made that statement. Lol.

Every case is different, like you said, you know one person who has just brought his whole family into Canada just after three months and you know also know people who have not been able to see their family for years. I don't see how this is even directly relevant to what you said about the job thing lol?

Plus, there was a research done showing that a "white" name will get an 80% chance of getting an interview and a "non white name" will get 30-40% chance of getting an interview.

By the way, marrying an immigrant doesnt prove anything lmao.

[Default User]

Yes there are a lot of Canadian's who are unemployed, who do you think took their job?
Other Canadians


Those that made it through easily - is because somebody in the government thought their profession is a benefit to the nation.

When we discuss how our relatives came here X number of years ago, and the struggles they had gone through for years, etc, etc…. Some if not most, lived off of “the system” for some period of time. Some had to work “under the table” getting paid cash without paying their taxes. And others did it the civil way.

IMHO, we cannot in good conscience, say anything about the new immigrants doing the same thing, today. Because in good time, they themselves or their kin, may be a great asset to this country.



Please refrain from making personal attacks

[FoXy]

"Plus, there was a research done showing that a "white" name will get an 80% chance of getting an interview and a "non white name" will get 30-40% chance of getting an interview. "


Because old white ppl in this country are prejudiceeeee lmao I hate to say it but its true!! I know, my dad is old and white lol, All they do is talk about the old days and the way things used to be, and he lives and worked (retired now) in the heart of Scarboro for years!

[prinsesa]

"Plus, there was a research done showing that a "white" name will get an 80% chance of getting an interview and a "non white name" will get 30-40% chance of getting an interview. "


Because old white ppl in this country are prejudiceeeee lmao I hate to say it but its true!! I know, my dad is old and white lol, All they do is talk about the old days and the way things used to be, and he lives and worked (retired now) in the heart of Scarboro for years!

Yup. That's just how things are lol

I said that cause:

Yes there are a lot of Canadian's who are unemployed, who do you think took their job?

[PearlM3]

LOL Please..You're the one who said "Yes there are a lot of Canadian's who are unemployed, who do you think took their job?" Don't say you're not ignorant after you made that statement. Lol.

Every case is different, like you said, you know one person who has just brought his whole family into Canada just after three months and you know also know people who have not been able to see their family for years. I don't see how this is even directly relevant to what you said about the job thing lol?

Plus, there was a research done showing that a "white" name will get an 80% chance of getting an interview and a "non white name" will get 30-40% chance of getting an interview.

By the way, marrying an immigrant doesnt prove anything lmao.

Wow so this has gone from being an immigration issue to being a RACIAL issue, thats just silly, I to am married to a proud immigrant, i've visited her home country, and learned the language just for the visits, i think it's silly for someone to live here and not learn ours, anyways, because of this becoming a racial issue now, i'm gonna back out of the discussion, and i would say Mods...:lock

[mazdabetty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79HvdH8cFd8

[Default User]

There's nothing racial in this discussion (that Ive read)

There may be a lot of stereotyping and prejudices, which cannot be avoided in this discussion.

I would prefer this not get locked. Please no personal attacks. This is not an attack on ones nationality or their reason for migrating to Canada

[Brammer]

As you can guess by my username, I live in an area with probably the highest immigration rate in Canada. My personal experience is that these folks come here for a better life for their kids and will do any sort of work to attain that goal. Sure, some live 12 to a house, but those who are not in school go to work, even the grandparents. Everyday you will see old beat-up vans driving around picking up groups of men going to work, then being dropped off later that night. Several times I have been driven home from the airport by doctors and engineers who are working as limo and taxi drivers just to provide a better future for their families.

Sure, there are going to be some bad apples in every crowd, regardless of where they were born, but I think it is disingenious to blame "immigrants" for taking jobs. In Ontario at least, things like extreme versions of Sharia law or honour killings are not tolerated and rightly so. Our values as a society have reasonably well defined limits and are not at risk imho.

And hey, even though I'm not the religious type, Diwali gives me an excuse to leave the xmas lights up year round :)

[Roconne]

Makes you wonder, had you shown up with no papers at the border and claimed refugee, could the process be faster in your case? I believe that it would.Doing that will get you in the country yes, but you will be expected to have a legit explanation for why you are claiming refugee and can't return to your home country. You will have a hearing (right now it can take up to 18 months to even get your hearing) and your case will be heard. If you are deemed ineligable, you are sent right back to your country, no questions asked. I believe it's right around 40% of all refugee claims are legit, that means nearly 60% of the claims are false and they are just trying to scam the system.
I saw these false claims all the time. The most frustrating thing was when indivuals would be found inadmissible for some other reason, and once they found out they were being denied entry into Canada, they would claim Refugee and we would be forced to let them in. :bang

[FoXy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79HvdH8cFd8

This video killed me! lmao

[Scottobot]

Happy story: my wife became a Canadian citizen Sept. 2 and we're both thrilled. :)

[prinsesa]

Happy story: my wife became a Canadian citizen Sept. 2 and we're both thrilled. :)

Did she get the cultural pass? Its a really cool program.

[Scottobot]

Did she get the cultural pass? Its a really cool program.

Yep!

[Default User]

Happy story: my wife became a Canadian citizen Sept. 2 and we're both thrilled. :)

Congrats!!!
Party at your place?

[Kinn]

Hey folks...take a look herehttp://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml Seems that the letter while partially factual is out of context and mis-quoted.

That said I don't personally have a problem with it. Although it is much stronger wording then I would expect from a politician, much less a PM.

You it's funny I read this thread then mentioned it to a co-worker and asked what he though. He said lets not discuss it, chuckling. More then anything that's the problem, It's become so PC a subject it's Taboo and no one will talk about it; but it's the open dialog that is going to change peoples minds, change tolerance to acceptance and bring us closer together. Now people just keep their opinions to themselves and that will never change anything.

[zoso]

My problems with immigration are as follows:

1) Too many people come and alienate themselves from the populace so you always have these pockets of people and it feels like you stepped into another country. Many times these people don't want to interact outside this small community and alienate people not from it

2) THEY DONT" SPEAK ENGLISH, it pisses me off to no ends when people who are working talk to each other in a different language. it is not professional to be working and not speaking english, and its extremely rude.

3) the Canadian Government makes it too easy for people to get by without learning English. People can pretty much come here, get into all the government programs and assistance, find a doctor, open a bank account buy a house without learning any English.


These 3 things have been a recent problem. I know many families who immigrated to Canada 20-30 years ago, and although they have their culture, they know english, they speak english at work, and they interact with society as a whole. My EX Gf's family, they were muslim, they Practiced it, but they came in the early 70's. the parents although don't drink, they would have a bottle of wine or a case of beer on hand when having guests over. Would wish a Merry Christmas to people and celebrate with everyone else.

Canada is made for people to live together and share their culture, but more and more people come and close themselves off and scream racism everytime they can. If you want people to accept your culture then you must accept the Canadian Culture

And more recently I read a story on how to young muslim men went across the states to visit various Mosques, and people were nice to them and why were people nice to them? because other then being brown and muslim they were Americans, they talked to other people they dressed like any other person, they would sit and be part of the community they were visiting.