Blackberry 9800 Who Picked Up their's Today? And Comments

[Sales 101]

I did local store down the street in oakville. Nobody there so no waiting. A lot of locations still without shipment.

I moved from the 9700 and so far one hour in its WOW! No iphone debate as im a heavy business user and larger screen with touch shortcuts will save time and keep my eyes on the road.

[cwp_sedan]

Moved to proper section.

[SilentJay]

Will probably move to one via extended warranty :P

[M3-ZOOM]

if you got it please share; im debating if i shud get on the crackberry

[ST3ALTH]

This phone is sweet! my buddy picked it up today and i must say i am really impressed with the touch interface and how smooth it is. Love the slide and the whole look of the phone. Now my big debate.....this or iphone 4 hmmmmm

[MPS]

got 2 on order

[Roconne]

Plan on picking one up when I upgrade later this month.

[undftd]

ordered one through Rogers retentions, got one for $199 ten months since I last upgraded, so if you're not due for an upgrade and the store won't do anything for you, call retentions to order!

[thanu31]

yea i love retentions :)

I ordered iphone4 even though i did a hardware upgrade 4 months ago. WINN

[jonjon72]

Had dinner with some friends yesterday and one of them just pick up this phone from Bell. I want one badly but just got the curve 3 months ago. Looks like I'll be calling customer retention shortly.

[bman13]

I'm probably gonna sell my 9700 and get it soon. Being that street price is $600 flat (not store but street), its not bad at all since I am retaining my HUP ;)

[M3-ZOOM]

for the people who have it how is it? is it worth the switch from iphone lol

[alhope34]

$600 for a PHONE? You guys are insane... I bought my girlfriend's university laptop 2 years ago for $600 including tax. I've had my free phone for 5 years now...still works great.

[Thrizzl3]

$600 for a PHONE? You guys are insane... I bought my girlfriend's university laptop 2 years ago for $600 including tax. I've had my free phone for 5 years now...still works great.

lmao only Allan

[alhope34]

Sorry Phil but I just don't see the point. If I was ever willing to pay $600 for a phone i would commit myself to the nearest mental institute.

[Thrizzl3]

Sorry Phil but I just don't see the point. If I was ever willing to pay $600 for a phone i would commit myself to the nearest mental institute.

not tryin to offend u bro..just saying the way you worded the post was funny lol

[alhope34]

Lol no offense taken, I was just sayin is all. I guess people just have different priorities. Almost no one I work with can understand why I'd pay $655 a month for 6 years for "just a Mazda 3 with a fancy body kit". To each their own, I suppose.

[Roconne]

In the same sense, I could say that I would commit myself to a mental institute if I found myself paying $655/month for a car :chuckle

People spend their own money in different ways so I don't judge how people decide to spend their money. I might not always agree with things, but who am I to say what they should or shouldn't buy.

$600 is not that bad for a brand new phone, take a look at what some of the other new smartphones are/were going for. People will spend tons of money to have the latest technology.

[alhope34]

Yea, I understand that after taking a step back and thinking about it. I don't care about newest this or best that, I buy out of necessity other than hobbies (which includes vehicles). My 5 year old samsung phone still works fine, so I think why replace it. Same as how I'll sew $14 wal mart pants back together 5 or 6 times till there isn't enough material left to sew.

[bman13]

$600 for a PHONE? You guys are insane... I bought my girlfriend's university laptop 2 years ago for $600 including tax. I've had my free phone for 5 years now...still works great.

Hopefully you werent referring to my post cause I said I'm gonna sell my 9700 and street price is $600. I sell mine hypothetically for $350 and that taken away from $600 = $250. Rogers gives it on 3 yr contract, for $199 and if your not lucky, $35 admin fee...so essentially I'm getting the 3 yr contract price without reuppin...thus preserving a stacked (3 yr contract price HUP without even needing to re-up).

:winner

[alhope34]

Hopefully you werent referring to my post cause I said I'm gonna sell my 9700 and street price is $600. I sell mine hypothetically for $350 and that taken away from $600 = $250. Rogers gives it on 3 yr contract, for $199 and if your not lucky, $35 admin fee...so essentially I'm getting the 3 yr contract price without reuppin...thus preserving a stacked (3 yr contract price HUP without even needing to re-up).

:winner


I have no idea what any of this means. I have my phone, I pay $20 a month taxes in, I am happy lol.

[m_bisson]

$600 is not that bad for a brand new phone, take a look at what some of the other new smartphones are/were going for. People will spend tons of money to have the latest technology.

Look at all the OTHER stuff you can buy for that money.

[insaini]

Look at all the OTHER stuff you can buy for that money.

ya you can buy OTHER stuff ... but in my case i didnt have a problem spending $600 on my phone because i use my phone more then i use any other device i own

[m_bisson]

a phone that does the SAME stuff as the 9700 :)

[KVS17]

my GF picked up the phone today. I know i was hating on it when they first announced it, but seeing it in person, its pretty sexy lol.. navigating around the software is a bit laggy cause of the low processor, and for some reason the phone will not stay locked after you press the lock button (could be a reason for this, just havent read the manual yet) but overall its a nice phone.

[TokyoKiller]

my GF picked up the phone today. I know i was hating on it when they first announced it, but seeing it in person, its pretty sexy lol.. navigating around the software is a bit laggy cause of the low processor, and for some reason the phone will not stay locked after you press the lock button (could be a reason for this, just havent read the manual yet) but overall its a nice phone.

But would you say its got any edge over the iPhone 4?

[insaini]

a phone that does the SAME stuff as the 9700 :)

not really ...

its faster ... has os 6 ( ya i know 9700 is gettin it but when? and it wont be as smooth ) ... and i dont remember the 9700 having a touch screen? ... and these are just some of the stuff that the 9800 has compared to the 9700 ...

[insaini]

But would you say its got any edge over the iPhone 4?

ya .. a full physical keyboard ... bbm .. reliable email ... those 3 things make it better then the iphone for me .... o and lets not forget a reliable device to use as a PHONE :gone

[alhope34]

Plus it's not Apple and it's designed by a Canadian company. My dad went to university of waterloo with the inventor of the Blackberry

[KVS17]

But would you say its got any edge over the iPhone 4?

yes, it has a slider haha..I wouldn't say it has any edge.. i also picked up an iphone4 yesterday... and it's ballinnnn lol

[SilentJay]

Lag is largely fixed with new OS, apparently

[insaini]

Lag is largely fixed with new OS, apparently

Correct

[fini]

torch users!
how do you find the battery life? if ya'll don't mind a short description of the type of users you are and how it relates to what life you are seeing from the battery.

i'm on the fence about upgrading from my 9700.

much appreciated!

[TokyoKiller]

ya .. a full physical keyboard ... bbm .. reliable email ... those 3 things make it better then the iphone for me .... o and lets not forget a reliable device to use as a PHONE :gone

Don't let me start again with the BlackBerry vs iPhone discussion now.

I've used every single BlackBerry released to date since the 8300 and every iPhone since the 3G. I know what was good and what isn't today about the platforms.

[insaini]

Don't let me start again with the BlackBerry vs iPhone discussion now.

I've used every single BlackBerry released to date since the 8300 and every iPhone since the 3G. I know what was good and what isn't today about the platforms.

you have yet to use os6 ... so you don't really know much about the bb platform ...

[insaini]

torch users!
how do you find the battery life? if ya'll don't mind a short description of the type of users you are and how it relates to what life you are seeing from the battery.

i'm on the fence about upgrading from my 9700.

much appreciated!

send and receive about 20 emails a day
bbm about 7 hours a day (constant)
youtube videos on the train (half an hour)
browsing on internet about an hour a day
games about 15 min a day
on the phone for about half an hour a day

from 7 am till 11 pm usuage

i am left with 1 bar before i recharge it

this is with 100% brightness .... when i had my brightness set to 30% ( and was still BRIGHT ) ... i use to have about a half bar more left every day ... but then i got a privacy screen which took away brightness so now i use it at 100%...

also i noticed the holster saves a lot of battery by putting it to sleep

[mleblond]

had mine since Thursday morning and I love it. It's fast, no lag. You can actually browse the internet now, social feeds rock, OS 6 rocks, camera phone is improved by 1000 times and it goes on.

debating about putting a pedobear on the back of the slider ;)

But yeah this phone rocks.

Rumours have it the new bold will come out with os6 leaving the 9700 on os 5...just read up on crackberry.com

[TokyoKiller]

you have yet to use os6 ... so you don't really know much about the bb platform ...

...

My friend works at RIM, I tried OS6 back in May on the Torch. I've also tried a "Curve" that looks like the Bold 9700 but with EDGE only running OS6. (Not sure if this will make it as a production model).

BB OS is crap for one reason, it uses Java.

[alhope34]

...

My friend works at RIM, I tried OS6 back in May on the Torch. I've also tried a "Curve" that looks like the Bold 9700 but with EDGE only running OS6. (Not sure if this will make it as a production model).

BB OS is crap for one reason, it uses Java.

My cousin works at RIM. Ask your friend if he knows Micheal Nearing.

[TokyoKiller]

My cousin works at RIM. Ask your friend if he knows Micheal Nearing.

Mississauga or Waterloo?

[alhope34]

Would be Mississauga.

[bman13]

had mine since Thursday morning and I love it. It's fast, no lag. You can actually browse the internet now, social feeds rock, OS 6 rocks, camera phone is improved by 1000 times and it goes on.

debating about putting a pedobear on the back of the slider ;)

But yeah this phone rocks.

Rumours have it the new bold will come out with os6 leaving the 9700 on os 5...just read up on crackberry.com

They already announced 9700 getting it plus at DEVCON, crackberry made video of 9700 with OS 6.

[SilentJay]

A friend of mine (who works at RIM) let me play with his 9700 that had OS6 on it - this was... Mid-August?

[bman13]

A friend of mine (who works at RIM) let me play with his 9700 that had OS6 on it - this was... Mid-August?

It is apparently a little sluggish and while browsing is improved, it still doesnt/wont compare to 9800. Damn, it'll be a month before I get my hands on it.

[mleblond]

they said carriers will EITHER give you the OS for the 9700 OR sell a modded 9700 as the next bold. Rogers is to release it in late October start of November. I couldn't wait and wanted the better processor and more memory. My bold was laggy because of lack of memory...

[M3-ZOOM]

argh i still cant decided if i shud HUP to the torch or wait for the new bold to come out...
damn these mixed reviews..:complain

[SilentJay]

Isn't the next bold is just the same unit with more memory, better camera?


Either way, my money is on nothing ground-breaking for the next little while. Odin-refresh (aka storm2.5), Onyx-refresh (aka Bold2.5).... Just re-hashes for the christmas season. Oh, and they may sprinkle something else bland in the mix like a pink/blue/red bold or something like that.

[fini]

send and receive about 20 emails a day
bbm about 7 hours a day (constant)
youtube videos on the train (half an hour)
browsing on internet about an hour a day
games about 15 min a day
on the phone for about half an hour a day

from 7 am till 11 pm usuage

i am left with 1 bar before i recharge it

this is with 100% brightness .... when i had my brightness set to 30% ( and was still BRIGHT ) ... i use to have about a half bar more left every day ... but then i got a privacy screen which took away brightness so now i use it at 100%...

also i noticed the holster saves a lot of battery by putting it to sleep

thanks dude. this gives me a good idea of what to expect for battery life based on my usage.

[prinsesa]

Im pretty impatient with these kinda stuff, I want my 9800!!! >:( And if they release a white one, Ill buy that one too after selling the 1 I just bought. Dumb move but thats just me lol

[fini]

Im pretty impatient with these kinda stuff, I want my 9800!!! >:( And if they release a white one, Ill buy that one too after selling the 1 I just bought. Dumb move but thats just me lol

all the stores i've been to have stock, just go in and pick one up!

[bman13]

Im pretty impatient with these kinda stuff, I want my 9800!!! >:( And if they release a white one, Ill buy that one too after selling the 1 I just bought. Dumb move but thats just me lol

A lot of people will be like that so dont feel bad.

[prinsesa]

Ill be doing that this week, I just hate how I've had 4 different PINS this past year and everytime I get a new BB, my contacts list go down 2-3 people lol

[TokyoKiller]

Im pretty impatient with these kinda stuff, I want my 9800!!! >:( And if they release a white one, Ill buy that one too after selling the 1 I just bought. Dumb move but thats just me lol

They ain't no iPhone prinsesa, you'll find plenty around.

[insaini]

They ain't no iPhone prinsesa, you'll find plenty around.

she mentioned nothing about it being out of stock...

[bman13]

she mentioned nothing about it being out of stock...

+1

let's try to keep this clean to people who are planning on getting it and/or people who have picked it up with their comments...we dont need another thread going back and forth about Apple/RIM/IPhone/Blackberry/IPad/Playbook.

[prinsesa]

lol yeah, I didnt say it was out of stock =P
I'm glad it isnt, cuz I'd be guilty of lining up for it haha

I'll be posting my review once I get it >=D

Btw, battery life ROCKS. I use my BB from 8:00am to 12:00midnight, only time I dont use it is when I sleep.
God knows how much texts/bbms/emails I send in a day :O
Plus I use twitter, google maps, facebook, tumblr a lot too..=)

[SilentJay]

^^^ Good gravy... Yeah, you'd be better off with a BB. That said, i'd be interested in battery life review too... My Storm2, as much as it sucks, can go at least 2days on a single charge with decent use. Meanwhile, my work 9700 sucks b*lls - it'll barely go a day without charging.

[fini]

^^^ Good gravy... Yeah, you'd be better off with a BB. That said, i'd be interested in battery life review too... My Storm2, as much as it sucks, can go at least 2days on a single charge with decent use. Meanwhile, my work 9700 sucks b*lls - it'll barely go a day without charging.

Really? you must be on it constantly ... and streaming videos... and... i don't know what else...cause think even if i tried to drain the battery as much as I could during the day it wouldnt die before getting home from work. (8AM-6PM). the most i've got it down was 50% during that time with IM's and emails all day. then goes down to about 20% after like 2.5 hours of talk time in the evening. your battery is broke!

the other night, i got about 4 hours of talk time and had 35%battery life left from full.

[SilentJay]

^^^ Unfortunately, i'm not - I use it from time to talk on, but never more than 10 minute conversations. Using either the latest OS or leaked OSes, same battery life. I've gotten it swapped out with another brand new unit, same idea.

I'm gonna try to give the phone to my buddy to load in OS6 and see if that helps, but thus far, it's been a great phone and all, but the battery stinks for me.

[SilentJay]

Just got my torch a few hours ago, got it unlocked for $3, and am happily on 3g now :)

[M3-ZOOM]

i got to mess around with the torch at dundas square today and theres one thing bugging me. When you text message with the onscreen keyboard, its not a full qwerty keyboard but instead the "pearl" keypad when it is vertical; but when you turn it horizontal it becomes a full keyboard. Just a FYI for anyone maybe thinking about going from iphone to bb (like me).

[undftd]

i got to mess around with the torch at dundas square today and theres one thing bugging me. When you text message with the onscreen keyboard, its not a full qwerty keyboard but instead the "pearl" keypad when it is vertical; but when you turn it horizontal it becomes a full keyboard. Just a FYI for anyone maybe thinking about going from iphone to bb (like me).
If by being like the "pearl" keypad you mean a few letters are grouped together in one key, then that is not the case when vertical, I have the Torch and vertical or horizontal, I get a full qwerty keyboard (maybe its some weird setting on the one you tried). But really, if you have a physical keyboard on the phone, why would you bother using the touch screen keyboard...

[SilentJay]

^^^ It is indeed a setting. Then again, if you have it in portrait mode, you might as well slide out the keyboard.

[chinsterr]

Played with a torch about 2 weeks ago. It is def an eye catcher, and build quality is pretty solid. The new OS is a huge improvement. Surfing is now bearable , but not up to speed with with the iPhone. I found it to be a bit sluggish when surfing picture heavy websites. The touch screen is also much improved when compared to a storm.

Rim and apple need to come together and dominate the smartphone market - best Of both worlds. I want a BB with iOS + bbm + all the apple apps !

[SilentJay]

^^ Apple has the money to do this, however Steve and Co. aren't willing to shell out for it, despite the fact that it'd pretty well knock anyone on the fence about losing BBM, which is a good amount!

[insaini]

^^ Apple has the money to do this, however Steve and Co. aren't willing to shell out for it, despite the fact that it'd pretty well knock anyone on the fence about losing BBM, which is a good amount!

are you insisting apple buy blackberry? because that wouldn't happen

[SilentJay]

are you insisting apple buy blackberry? because that wouldn't happen

What? Where'd that come from? Man, you're pretty much downright hostile whenever you sense anyone talking "poorly" of RIM :P


What I was suggesting by my statement, is that apple would need to invest butt-load of money to catch up, infrastructure-wise, to be able to facilitate BBM and push-emails the same way RIM does.

[insaini]

What? Where'd that come from? Man, you're pretty much downright hostile whenever you sense anyone talking "poorly" of RIM :P


What I was suggesting by my statement, is that apple would need to invest butt-load of money to catch up, infrastructure-wise, to be able to facilitate BBM and push-emails the same way RIM does.

sorry when i read it .. it sounded like you were saying apple has money to buy RIM but steve jobs isn't willing to shell out for it .. lol ..

and thats why i said .. that would never happen

[bman13]

Picked one up yesterday :). Played with it a bit and so far me likey. Unfortunately until my otterbox/invisible shield arrive, I wont be using it full-time.

[-RJ3-]

^^^ Unfortunately, i'm not - I use it from time to talk on, but never more than 10 minute conversations.

That explains why I cant have a conversation with you on BBM.... im a crackberry holic when it comes to bbm.

[dsichewski]

Just wondering if any of you were on the fence between the torch (9800) and the new Bold (9780) I'm debating which kind and really not sure which way to go as my current phone is 3.5 yrs old and very outdated (sony ericson w810i) lol my only concern is I'm going to be working construction and wonder which will/would be the best way to go...?

[Thrizzl3]

Just wondering if any of you were on the fence between the torch (9800) and the new Bold (9780) I'm debating which kind and really not sure which way to go as my current phone is 3.5 yrs old and very outdated (sony ericson w810i) lol my only concern is I'm going to be working construction and wonder which will/would be the best way to go...?

just go 9780..

[bman13]

9800 is solid device...based on your job, 9780 is more practical.

[thanu31]

contemplating picking up a 9800, but people are saying the software has problems and a 9700 would be better
anyone have issues?

And can anyone suggest any other phone on the market other then the Iphone4 or Galaxy? I just sold my galaxy but im not sure what to get other then 9800.

[bman13]

contemplating picking up a 9800, but people are saying the software has problems and a 9700 would be better
anyone have issues?

And can anyone suggest any other phone on the market other then the Iphone4 or Galaxy? I just sold my galaxy but im not sure what to get other then 9800.

Have extensively used the 9800 for past 2 months after leaving the 9800 and have no issues or complaints. Just make sure you upgrade the OS if you get it brand new from Rogers. If you really wanna check it out, let me know.

[fini]

contemplating picking up a 9800, but people are saying the software has problems and a 9700 would be better
anyone have issues?

And can anyone suggest any other phone on the market other then the Iphone4 or Galaxy? I just sold my galaxy but im not sure what to get other then 9800.

if you end up wanting the 9700, i'm looking to sell mine and upgrade to the 9780. let me know if you're interested.

[gad84]

Going into construction you will probably want a more solid phone (less moving parts the better). A 9780 is a better candidate for that purpose. Just get one with an Otterbox case to go with the 9780 and your phone will be almost invincible. My buddy works in a shop environment, and the Otterbox case on his 9700 has done him wonders. I will be looking at getting one myself once RIM releases the Triton 4G sometime next year.

[prinsesa]

I love my 9800 =) <3
A lot of people said that you would either just the touchscreen or the keypad.
But to be honest, I use both! You can't have long nails & have this phone though since the keypad is smaller.
I love love love the 9800 =) The social feeds app is the BOMB, I can tweet/update my FB status/update my BB status/update my MSN status/update my MySpace status/update my Yahoo! Messenger status all in one shot!! Ahhh!

I also like the Universal search, you can have the option to search for the word in your Facebook, Text Msgs, Emails, Contacts List, Google, Youtube, Calendar etc.

There's a lot more stuff that I can talk about =P

Now..I just need a screen protector and a case :)

Btw what kind of issues are they talking about on the Torch?

[thanu31]

if you end up wanting the 9700, i'm looking to sell mine and upgrade to the 9780. let me know if you're interested.

pm me please
Thanks:)

[thanu31]

I love my 9800 =) <3
A lot of people said that you would either just the touchscreen or the keypad.
But to be honest, I use both! You can't have long nails & have this phone though since the keypad is smaller.
I love love love the 9800 =) The social feeds app is the BOMB, I can tweet/update my FB status/update my BB status/update my MSN status/update my MySpace status/update my Yahoo! Messenger status all in one shot!! Ahhh!

I also like the Universal search, you can have the option to search for the word in your Facebook, Text Msgs, Emails, Contacts List, Google, Youtube, Calendar etc.

There's a lot more stuff that I can talk about =P

Now..I just need a screen protector and a case :)

Btw what kind of issues are they talking about on the Torch?

I heard stuff like lagging issues, and slow processor



Anyways I tried the 9800 and Im really turned off because of how heavy and bulky it feels. Coming from the Galaxy S which is super light, I just cant justify the bulkyness of the Torch.
I think im going to look for a Desire HD or just get the Desire Z. But in the mean time, im going to grab a 9700.

[SilentJay]

Lagging is largely solved via OS update, preceeded by shrinking all the bloat out of the OS.

The "slower" processor isn't all that noticable unless you're "gaming" on the device. I own a galaxy s now, and can say that the experience is pretty similar, besides 3d work. Think about it - a 624MHz processor is able to render webpages only a bit slower than a 1Ghz droid/apple phone, while maintaining a pretty long battery life.

Conversely, the unfortunate part for me, was that the phone just didn't "feel" right. You're right about the bulk, but also because the fit-and-finish just wasn't there. A wobbly screen and loose keyboard kinda did it in for me. A front-facing camera would have been great, and a better rear camera would've been nice too.

[thanu31]

if you end up wanting the 9700, i'm looking to sell mine and upgrade to the 9780. let me know if you're interested.

actually I just got one, so nvm,

Thanks

[thanu31]

Lagging is largely solved via OS update, preceeded by shrinking all the bloat out of the OS.

The "slower" processor isn't all that noticable unless you're "gaming" on the device. I own a galaxy s now, and can say that the experience is pretty similar, besides 3d work. Think about it - a 624MHz processor is able to render webpages only a bit slower than a 1Ghz droid/apple phone, while maintaining a pretty long battery life.

Conversely, the unfortunate part for me, was that the phone just didn't "feel" right. You're right about the bulk, but also because the fit-and-finish just wasn't there. A wobbly screen and loose keyboard kinda did it in for me. A front-facing camera would have been great, and a better rear camera would've been nice too.

yea you are right about the slower processor not that noticeable, but I cant handle the look of the Torch, it looks like a old outdated phone. Not sleek at all.
I just ended up going back to a 9700, until i come across another phone i like.

RIM has to step up their game, like someone mentioned, iphone + BB mixed phone would be awesome.

[thanu31]

i just did OS6 update on 9700, im feeling some lag :( not cool.

[prinsesa]

iPhone + BB is the Torch! lol
I don't think it's slow at all lol
You can also set how sensitive everything is.
I love it, no complaints from me.

And how does it lag? My phone hasnt lagged at all.

[yanky.ng]

Is there a shop where i can buy BNIB Torch 9800 WHITE.. i am not a rogers customer.i am with fido. i called rogers and asked them if they would sell the phone for the regular price $609+tax( i just want the phone ...no plan/no contract). they said no. they will only sell the phone to me if i get a plan.

[bman13]

I love my 9800 =) <3
A lot of people said that you would either just the touchscreen or the keypad.
But to be honest, I use both! You can't have long nails & have this phone though since the keypad is smaller.
I love love love the 9800 =) The social feeds app is the BOMB, I can tweet/update my FB status/update my BB status/update my MSN status/update my MySpace status/update my Yahoo! Messenger status all in one shot!! Ahhh!

I also like the Universal search, you can have the option to search for the word in your Facebook, Text Msgs, Emails, Contacts List, Google, Youtube, Calendar etc.

There's a lot more stuff that I can talk about =P

Now..I just need a screen protector and a case :)

Btw what kind of issues are they talking about on the Torch?

:thumbsup. I'm happy with it as well. I'm always two handing it. Touch/keyboard.


Lagging is largely solved via OS update, preceeded by shrinking all the bloat out of the OS.

The "slower" processor isn't all that noticable unless you're "gaming" on the device. I own a galaxy s now, and can say that the experience is pretty similar, besides 3d work. Think about it - a 624MHz processor is able to render webpages only a bit slower than a 1Ghz droid/apple phone, while maintaining a pretty long battery life.

Conversely, the unfortunate part for me, was that the phone just didn't "feel" right. You're right about the bulk, but also because the fit-and-finish just wasn't there. A wobbly screen and loose keyboard kinda did it in for me. A front-facing camera would have been great, and a better rear camera would've been nice too.
They are coming out with a thinner Torch for people with these comments.


Is there a shop where i can buy BNIB Torch 9800 WHITE.. i am not a rogers customer.i am with fido. i called rogers and asked them if they would sell the phone for the regular price $609+tax( i just want the phone ...no plan/no contract). they said no. they will only sell the phone to me if i get a plan.

Check toronto.kijiji.ca and toronto.craigslist.org. I picked up my Torch off someone BNIB way less then that cash. Just be careful (not that something will happen but it can).