Exhaust ticket with a magnaflow cbe help!!

[mz3~Power]

hey guys,

so i was on my way home from work and this dick of a cop pulled me over for my exhaust .. now i have a magnaflow cbe ... the thing isnt even that loud. He said that is it missing a baffel of some kind when he looked into my exhaust tip.. something to do with back preasure. so now i got a $ 110 ticket that im obviously going to fight.. somone help me and tell me if the magnaflow is missing this or if its illegal or something .. thanks

[mazdaskit]

i believe magnaflow is 100% street legal

[mz3~Power]

thats what i thought to ..

[mazdaskit]

seems he or she was right:

MagnaFlow Stainless Steel Cat-Back Exhaust System - Gas - 2008 3 by Mazda

This cat-back exhaust system improves engine performance and durability by boosting horsepower and torque. Its technologically advanced, Mandrel bent tubing and straight-through muffler allow the exhaust to flow more freely through the system.

Features:

* Improves engine performance by increasing horsepower, torque and fuel efficiency and decreasing exhaust gas temperature
o Mandrel bent tubes allow for unrestricted airflow by maintaining the same diameter through every curve
+ Unrestricted airflow decreases back pressure ("exhaust turbulence")
o Straight-through muffler has a stainless steel perforated core that runs straight through, end to end
+ Layer of stainless steel wool insulates the perforated core to absorb noise, shield high exhaust temperatures and prevent blowouts
+ Contains no baffles, chambers or louvers that restrict airflow
* Signature sound is deep and throaty on throttle but quiet inside the Mazda 3
* All materials made with 100% stainless steel
* Clamps and hangers included for installation
* Lifetime warranty

[mazdaskit]

also i found this too on magnflows website which may help you:

Question: Are MagnaFlow Performance Exhaust systems legal?

Answer: YES, all of our Cat-Back Exhaust Systems comply with most state and federal laws with the exception of the Magnapacks. (Please note, local laws may vary. Contact your local law enforcement for specific guidelines.) Our products are designed and tested to meet legal sound level limits; however, when used in conjunction with other products (such as air intake systems or exhaust headers), the overall combined effect might cause particular vehicles to exceed the allowable limits.

A new law (27150.2 VC) does not require police to use a sound meter to test for excessive noise. A citation is now based upon the officers judgment. Cited violators may have testing done at a smog referee station.

Also, check with www.sema.org for more info. SEMA is a trade organization of the automotive aftermarket, which has been active in protecting consumer rights.

[mz3~Power]

hopefully the 05 model is different lol cause i def wanna win this ticket ... i have no idea what to bring to court to prove its road legal .. anyone ever got a exhaust ticket before ?

[Noisy Crow]

hopefully the 05 model is different lol cause i def wanna win this ticket ... i have no idea what to bring to court to prove its road legal .. anyone ever got a exhaust ticket before ?


What's the actual charge on the ticket?

[mz3~Power]

improper muffler on motor vehicle

[Noisy Crow]

Good read about Ontario Motor Vehicle act & after-market mufflers here:
http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic728.html?highlight=muffler

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Do you know any muffler shops? Get them to write up an invoice saying 'muffler repair'. Then take it to court with you.

[mz3~Power]

and if i bring the muffler repair invoice they will most likely drop it ??

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Ya, with my bmw I got an improper muffler ticket for a stock rusting exhaust. I got a performance system installed (which was louder) and brought in my invoice to muffler repair to court and they threw out my charge.

It's not like the judge is going to get out and go look at your car.

[mz3~Power]

lol im just going to fight this .. cause he looked into my exhaust tip and said your exhaust is hollow ... im just like officer that's just a tip.. and hes like here's your ticket ..hes got to be the stupidest cop i've ever met..

[crono06]

Ya, with my bmw I got an improper muffler ticket for a stock rusting exhaust. I got a performance system installed (which was louder) and brought in my invoice to muffler repair to court and they threw out my charge.

It's not like the judge is going to get out and go look at your car.

It would be rather funny if he did lmao

[mz3~Power]

is there a 100% street legal system in Canada out there? would the Mazda speed accessory one be street legal cause its from a dealer?

[MistaChin]

is there a 100% street legal system in Canada out there? would the Mazda speed accessory one be street legal cause its from a dealer?

That's what my excuse would be. But the welds went on my accessory exhaust and I ended up replacing just the muffler with a magnaflow one lol

[mz3~Power]

That's what my excuse would be. But the welds went on my accessory exhaust and I ended up replacing just the muffler with a magnaflow one lol

lmao i unno this cop is just a prick and only bothers guys that mod cars in georgetown...and they wonder why i hate cops..

[n00bMeiSter]

lol im just going to fight this .. cause he looked into my exhaust tip and said your exhaust is hollow ... im just like officer that's just a tip.. and hes like here's your ticket ..hes got to be the stupidest cop i've ever met..

For all you know, he could also be a car enthusiast and know what a MagnaFlow system is. Also, if you look at the link posted by Noisy Crow, you'll see a picture of a MagnaFlow without the Baffle/Silencer. All the officer has to look for is the lack of the aforementioned and he can write you a ticket on the spot, nothing else required. Officers are taught what to look and listen for when it comes to modded cars. Plus, mazdaskit proved that your setup is not proper.


lmao i unno this cop is just a prick and only bothers guys that mod cars in georgetown...and they wonder why i hate cops..

You just think he's a prick because he caught you doing something you shouldn't be. And maybe that's because all the guys with modded cars in Georgetown are doing things they shouldn't be ...
Stop trying to fight it the dumb way. Go get an invoice for muffler repair, and take it to court with you. If you have to, tell them you had an appointment on <<insert date listed on invoice here>> to get your muffler fixed, and you booked it before the ticket was issued. If you need to, talk to someone at a firm like X-Copper.
The only reason people 'hate cops' is because they get caught doing things they shouldn't be doing.

Edit: Even if they don't drop the ticket, they may reduce it. That's better than nothing. It's a small price to pay for modifying your car in a way that the highway traffic act deems improper. Take your licks and learn from this experience.

[mz3~Power]

For all you know, he could also be a car enthusiast and know what a MagnaFlow system is. Also, if you look at the link posted by Noisy Crow, you'll see a picture of a MagnaFlow without the Baffle/Silencer. All the officer has to look for is the lack of the aforementioned and he can write you a ticket on the spot, nothing else required. Officers are taught what to look and listen for when it comes to modded cars. Plus, mazdaskit proved that your setup is not proper.



You just think he's a prick because he caught you doing something you shouldn't be. And maybe that's because all the guys with modded cars in Georgetown are doing things they shouldn't be ...
Stop trying to fight it the dumb way. Go get an invoice for muffler repair, and take it to court with you. If you have to, tell them you had an appointment on <<insert date listed on invoice here>> to get your muffler fixed, and you booked it before the ticket was issued. If you need to, talk to someone at a firm like X-Copper.
The only reason people 'hate cops' is because they get caught doing things they shouldn't be doing.

Edit: Even if they don't drop the ticket, they may reduce it. That's better than nothing. It's a small price to pay for modifying your car in a way that the highway traffic act deems improper. Take your licks and learn from this experience.

well seeing that you have no idea who this cop is i would expect you to stand up for police in general... this officer has had multiple harassment charges on him by friends of mine because he targets tuners only and nobody else. That being said my father is a police officer he knows the laws and he knows that this cop is in the wrong..i was just wondering how other people may have fought their tickets. By the way the magnaflow cbe has a baffled muffler is anyone else is wondering i researched it on their site. The previous posted specs for the magnaflow exhaust is not the same model ... that model looks nothing like the one peter sells at nextmod.

[rgray]

well seeing that you have no idea who this cop is i would expect you to stand up for police in general... this officer has had multiple harassment charges on him by friends of mine because he targets tuners only and nobody else. That being said my father is a police officer he knows the laws and he knows that this cop is in the wrong..i was just wondering how other people may have fought their tickets. By the way the magnaflow cbe has a baffled muffler is anyone else is wondering i researched it on their site. The previous posted specs for the magnaflow exhaust is not the same model ... that model looks nothing like the one peter sells at nextmod.

Want to post what you found to help others who might get the same ticket in the future?

[mz3~Power]

http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/universalsatinxl.asp

this is the muffler that they use in our system the 6'' round muffler. It clearly states that the muffler is equip with sound baffles which is what my ticket is based on.
The magnaflow system is one of the quieter systems for the 3... i doubt anyone else in the gta will have this issue with police.. Georgetown is small and the police target us.

[aris]

Could you not use that link at court to prove you have it... Or go to a muffler place that deals with magnaflow... They might be able to write a letter stating who they are and that yes it does have baffles

[mz3~Power]

Could you not use that link at court to prove you have it... Or go to a muffler place that deals with magnaflow... They might be able to write a letter stating who they are and that yes it does have baffles

thats is what i plan to do and i also plan to go to a muffler place to get written proof that i have baffels.

[aris]

thats is what i plan to do and i also plan to go to a muffler place to get written proof that i have baffels.

Well hopefully everything goes good in court for ya.

[mz3~Power]

Well hopefully everything goes good in court for ya.

yea hopefully if not oh well lmao they will prob reduce the fine but im not taking the exhaust off lol

[stevenma188]

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[n00bMeiSter]

well seeing that you have no idea who this cop is i would expect you to stand up for police in general... this officer has had multiple harassment charges on him by friends of mine because he targets tuners only and nobody else. That being said my father is a police officer he knows the laws and he knows that this cop is in the wrong..i was just wondering how other people may have fought their tickets. By the way the magnaflow cbe has a baffled muffler is anyone else is wondering i researched it on their site. The previous posted specs for the magnaflow exhaust is not the same model ... that model looks nothing like the one peter sells at nextmod.

You should have mentioned that in your previous post. If your father is a cop and knows this guy has wrongfully charged you, why doesn't he step up to the plate and say/do something? But when you just post saying "i hate cops, they're douchebags" but don't give the background story, you end up giving the wrong impression.
I apologize if I was a little harsh, but it sounded like you were going to act like most teenagers who don't know squat and just hate police, for the sake of hating them. Glad to hear you've got a good plan of action. Hope it all goes well and they drop the ticket.

You should get together everyone who has had a problem with this guy, and try and get him demoted to parking duty lol.


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[MajesticBlueNTO]

the stock exhaust itself does not have baffles at the tailpipe tip. you also cannot see into the stock muffler to tell if it were baffled as the tailpipe rises (bends) over the rear subframe, blocking your view entirely of the path into the muffler.

[mz3~Power]

the stock exhaust itself does not have baffles at the tailpipe tip. you also cannot see into the stock muffler to tell if it were baffled as the tailpipe rises (bends) over the rear subframe, blocking your view entirely of the path into the muffler.

i know my father also has a mazda 3 stock of course lmao... im also going to bring that point up in court and i will def let you guys know how it turns out .. it may be a while though i dont have a court date yet.

[Fack_Dude]

Good luck with the case bud!!!!!!!:thumbsup

The cop will win it..........:huge smile

[Kappa]

good luck man!

[towelsnap]

That being said my father is a police officer he knows the laws .


LOL likewise . My dad always jokes about "if we was still on the force and not retired he'd pull me over for an improper muffler" because he thinks its loud and annoying. I've got the same setup and my exhaust is reallllllly quiet compared to others on the road. But for sure curious how this ends up and good luck .

[mz3~Power]

lol and to think this winter i was gunna get a header and run catless lol .... my dreams are shattered lmao

[n00bMeiSter]

Any updates on this?

[mz3~Power]

my court date is in june of next year :p so i dont think ill be updating this untill then.

[Kappa]

why would it be so far away... holy crap

[n00bMeiSter]

I guess we'll be waiting a while lol

[Rob23]

why would it be so far away... holy crap

sometimes it takes so long. i remember i got a ticket for going 140 on the highway and i fought it, it took a year and 6 months for my court date then when i got there and the judge lowered it to a slower speed and less demerit points.

[n00bMeiSter]

sometimes it takes so long. i remember i got a ticket for going 140 on the highway and i fought it, it took a year and 6 months for my court date then when i got there and the judge lowered it to a slower speed and less demerit points.

Not to threadjack, but you could have had that whole case thrown out on the grounds of your 11b right.
(The right to a speedy (or timely) trial)

[Rob23]

ive had parking tickets thrown out because they are too backed up but i don't think they'll do that with speeding tickets or anything. i could be wrong.

[n00bMeiSter]

ive had parking tickets thrown out because they are too backed up but i don't think they'll do that with speeding tickets or anything. i could be wrong.

They will. Doesn't matter what it is (except for a few cases like murder i believe), NOTHING can waive your 11b right. It's a right, the only person who can waive it is you.
I have several friends who had their speeding tickets thrown out on 11b grounds. But you must make sure if during your time in court, an adjournment to a later date is required; you -must- state to the court that you do not waive your 11b right (there's a little more to it than that, but that's the gist of it).
I have some links I'll try and post.

[mz3~Power]

i forgot that i didn't update before lol so yea the court date a while away but i also went to my local mechanic who just happens to be my neighbor :p and got him to write up this letter saying that he took the exhaust apart and that it meets all the specs and what not. I am also bringing pictures, but i have a feeling that this is gunna get dropped. Even if it doesnt oh well, i guess ill start saving now for the tickets cause i plan to buy a speed 3 in like a year or so :p

[TheMAN]

all I gotta say is, loudness is subjective... it maybe quiet to you, but loud to everyone else (some ricers think that way), or your hearing deteriorated slightly to a point where you can't tell it's loud
either way, just because it's a magneflow, doesn't mean it's quiet... I've seen many magneflow systems (for many different cars) that are just as loud as other brands of systems, such as greddy and apexi.... if I can hear it from half a block away, it's "loud" (enough noise to annoy people)... while it maybe less than 95db (which is the california limit), the tones and pitches of the noise may make it appear louder than it is and/or sound annoying

basically, if it's louder than a stock ms3 or a normal 3 with the mazdaspeed accessory exhaust (not the ms3 exhaust put on), it's loud

[TheMAN]

i know my father also has a mazda 3 stock of course lmao... im also going to bring that point up in court and i will def let you guys know how it turns out .. it may be a while though i dont have a court date yet.

if the judge walks out to inspect the car, he's going to look at the plates... and if you switched the plates, he might even check the VIN... which if he does, you're in big trouble... the plates will also have a color description of the car, so unless it's the same or similar colour, you're not going to be able use this trick easily

why bother with the sleazy tricks? if you honestly think you broke no law, then you need to be fighting this honestly... if they find out you're playing games, then they can charge you with perjury... even if they don't, they'll have a bad impression of you and will be inclined to make the charges stick rather than dismissing it!

[mz3~Power]

if the judge walks out to inspect the car, he's going to look at the plates... and if you switched the plates, he might even check the VIN... which if he does, you're in big trouble... the plates will also have a color description of the car, so unless it's the same or similar colour, you're not going to be able use this trick easily

why bother with the sleazy tricks? if you honestly think you broke no law, then you need to be fighting this honestly... if they find out you're playing games, then they can charge you with perjury... even if they don't, they'll have a bad impression of you and will be inclined to make the charges stick rather than dismissing it!

i didn't mean to make it seem like i was going to switch cars and plates :p all that for a $100 is a little much ... im bringing my car and the letter written by the mechanic that i went to. Regardless if i get it dropped or not the exhaust wont be removed, ive spoken to the officer multiple times as he comes to the Tim Hortons that i hang out at. I doubt he will bother me again, even if he does oh well.

[n00bMeiSter]

if the judge walks out to inspect the car, he's going to look at the plates... and if you switched the plates, he might even check the VIN... which if he does, you're in big trouble... the plates will also have a color description of the car, so unless it's the same or similar colour, you're not going to be able use this trick easily

why bother with the sleazy tricks? if you honestly think you broke no law, then you need to be fighting this honestly... if they find out you're playing games, then they can charge you with perjury... even if they don't, they'll have a bad impression of you and will be inclined to make the charges stick rather than dismissing it!

Not sure where you got the idea that he was going to be switching cars.
Majestic mentioned that the stock exhaust looks identical to the aftermarket in terms of baffles and stuff, and when you look down the tailpipe you can't see anything. He was going to bring this point up in court and see what they have to say to that.



i didn't mean to make it seem like i was going to switch cars and plates :p all that for a $100 is a little much ... im bringing my car and the letter written by the mechanic that i went to. Regardless if i get it dropped or not the exhaust wont be removed, ive spoken to the officer multiple times as he comes to the Tim Hortons that i hang out at. I doubt he will bother me again, even if he does oh well.

Well, if he continues to bother you, he's going to have to continually waste a day in court (they don't get paid for showing up apparently).

[TheMAN]

you can't see it with the stock mazda3 exhaust because the muffler is actually way under the car, not close to the tail pipe like most cars... with most cars, you can attempt to look inside with a strong flash light

[n00bMeiSter]

you can't see it with the stock mazda3 exhaust because the muffler is actually way under the car, not close to the tail pipe like most cars... with most cars, you can attempt to look inside with a strong flash light

Right, and the officer said because he couldn't see it the exhaust was in violation of some law. Even though a stock mazda3 exhaust looks exactly the same.

[mz3~Power]

Right, and the officer said because he couldn't see it the exhaust was in violation of some law. Even though a stock mazda3 exhaust looks exactly the same.

yea thats the point im going to make ... and when i talked to the officer at the tim hortons i asked him to show me how its possible to see through my exhaust ... and he said he cant see into it .. then i said to him then why did you give me a ticket for a improper muffler when you cant even see it ? He said that he knows magnaflow systems are straight through systems. Then i told him did you manufacture this exhaust and he said no then i told him then how do you know anything about it other then the name and he walked back to his car :p

[Thrizzl3]

yea thats the point im going to make ... and when i talked to the officer at the tim hortons i asked him to show me how its possible to see through my exhaust ... and he said he cant see into it .. then i said to him then why did you give me a ticket for a improper muffler when you cant even see it ? He said that he knows magnaflow systems are straight through systems. Then i told him did you manufacture this exhaust and he said no then i told him then how do you know anything about it other then the name and he walked back to his car :p

its good to know information about your car lol...but in your case it didn't help :P

[mz3~Power]

its good to know information about your car lol...but in your case it didn't help :P

lol yea i guess not eh... oh well i guess well see what happends lol if i win it im getting a header :p

[Thrizzl3]

lol yea i guess not eh... oh well i guess well see what happends lol if i win it im getting a header :p

ok now your just asking for trouble..

[mz3~Power]

ok now your just asking for trouble..

lol yea i know :p but its going to sound unreal ... so its ok :D

[mazdilla]

Did you go to court yet?

What is the result?

[kramr]

Did you ask the cop if he was a mechanic too? Who is he to give a ticket for something he probably isn't a court recognized 'expert' about!

[kramr]

the stock exhaust itself does not have baffles at the tailpipe tip. you also cannot see into the stock muffler to tell if it were baffled as the tailpipe rises (bends) over the rear subframe, blocking your view entirely of the path into the muffler.

I was thinking the same thing. I can look at the tail pipe of my exhaust (stock) and say it doesn't have baffles.

[Kinn]

You have to understand that the cops don't really make any decisions...they just issue tickets and/or summons and then the court decides if what you were doing is right or wrong. The cop is hoping for one of 2 things. You'll just pay it and that's his ticket for the day or 2, you'll fight it and he'll get some court time.

If you going to fight it some things that might be relevant are the specifics of the exhaust from the manufacture and that is considered and sold for street use. Some kind of confirmation from a mechanic or better yet a certified installed for the manufacturer that your specific exhaust had not been modified. Where the product is sold and some ruff sales number, this shows it's a commonly used product and you can't be held culpable of running an illegal exhaust…You assumed that if it was sold by a respectable store for street use, that it was legal.

Might also get a decibel reading signed off at a shop.

Just some ideas

Good luck!

[schmat66]

ill have my court date in a year for same ticket and same exhaust LOL

[n00bMeiSter]

ill have my court date in a year for same ticket and same exhaust LOL

If it's exactly 1 year, then you'll be able to get yours tossed on 11b. Just make sure you go to X-copper or someone.

[schmat66]

If it's exactly 1 year, then you'll be able to get yours tossed on 11b. Just make sure you go to X-copper or someone.

well the girl at the courthouse thingy said ill get it in the mail in 6 months, (said that in jan) and then it will be about a year after you receive it... so about a year and a half total wait time -_- im not complaining

[n00bMeiSter]

well the girl at the courthouse thingy said ill get it in the mail in 6 months, (said that in jan) and then it will be about a year after you receive it... so about a year and a half total wait time -_- im not complaining

Boom, instant dismissal. 11b rights for the win!
But seriously, talk to X-copper or someone so you get all the appropriate paperwork filled out correctly and so you don't get screwed.

[schmat66]

but how much will that cost... i have all my papers stating its a legal exhaust that its safety and e tested with it and all that fun stuff from a exhaust shop, i showed that too the girl and she just said show up and the judge will laugh

[n00bMeiSter]

but how much will that cost... i have all my papers stating its a legal exhaust that its safety and e tested with it and all that fun stuff from a exhaust shop, i showed that too the girl and she just said show up and the judge will laugh

I dunno, but we totally just thread jacked. lol

Sorry, back on topic now.

[schmat66]

agreeddd, :post whore:nothing smiley:hijack smiley

[mz3~Power]

lol well my court date is in june so i will update you guys to what they say. i have a feeling it will get thrown out based on that i got a improper muffler ticket for a muffler that the cop couldnt even see... so yea he'll get paid to go to court but i just want to prove him wrong :p

[n00bMeiSter]

lol well my court date is in june so i will update you guys to what they say. i have a feeling it will get thrown out based on that i got a improper muffler ticket for a muffler that the cop couldnt even see... so yea he'll get paid to go to court but i just want to prove him wrong :p

I thought they didn't get paid to go to court, and that is why many cops don't show.

[aris]

I thought they didn't get paid to go to court, and that is why many cops don't show.

They do get paid... If I'm not mistaken it's like $200

[n00bMeiSter]

They do get paid... If I'm not mistaken it's like $200

Wow.

[Kinn]

They do get paid... If I'm not mistaken it's like $200


Negative...at least, not for traffic court. This used to be the case but a few years back they were told to schedule court time during their shifts. It means they are more likely to show up, and reduces on OT...but it also means there sitting on the bench in court and no out responding to your calls

They'd still get OT if called as a witness for a criminal or civil case.

[aris]

Negative...at least, not for traffic court. This used to be the case but a few years back they were told to schedule court time during their shifts. It means they are more likely to show up, and reduces on OT...but it also means there sitting on the bench in court and no out responding to your calls

They'd still get OT if called as a witness for a criminal or civil case.

I did not know it changed :)

[lay624]

Wow that sucks, i used to have straight pipe for my focus that was loud as hell but only got warnings. Anyway, good luck guys!

[6strings]

awww man.. i just ordered a magnaflow cbe

[schmat66]

and? just dont be retardedd around cops :) trust

[6strings]

haha yeah. ill have to turn that way down lol

[Mazdy]

I never had a problem with the magna around cops...i even made them hear my exhaust when passing by them just one time....

To be honest nothing wrong havin this exhaust...just dont be stupid acting like fast and furious around cops to get attention...

And i guess after reading the OP's story...some cops are being an *ss?

[CelestSpeed3]

Well we've all had strange run in with the cops like my trespassing ticket from a few years ago. Apparently to this office parking my car and setting up a poker table for illegal gambling was the same thing.


You might want to look around at other vehicles on the market now. I don't want to give away the answer but there are a few stock vehicles on the road that don't use baffling in there stock exhaust. You might want to look into those.

Also the officer is right your magnaflow is "technically" illegal to use in Ontario. The HTA states a baffle must be installed in the vehicle's exhaust system.

[mz3~Power]

alright so i went to court and got the ticket dropped. it took all of 5 seconds to get it dropped the judge thought it was a waste of time.

[Mazdy]

Great to hear for us MagnaFlow users!! :D


alright so i went to court and got the ticket dropped. it took all of 5 seconds to get it dropped the judge thought it was a waste of time.

[schmat66]

:chuckle saw that coming

[n00bMeiSter]

alright so i went to court and got the ticket dropped. it took all of 5 seconds to get it dropped the judge thought it was a waste of time.

How'd you manage that?

[leungalv]

Request disclosure from the Crown two months or so prior to trial.

If you receive disclosure, build a case around it ... if it doesn't come, go before the JP, indicate that you requested disclosure yet have not received it, request that the charges be stayed.

They might ask if you've filed a section 11b Constitutional challenge, you probably wouldn't have ... tell them you have not, but that if the courts would like you to, request they give you two weeks or so to file the necessary documents.

Also, don't put your phone number on the disclosure request letter since they'll call you to pick it up. Just put your full mailing address, and if you come before the courts and the Crown says there was no phone number to contact you to pick up the disclosure, inform the JP that you put your full address on the request form and that they could have easily mailed it to you (provide the JP with a copy of your request).

[n00bMeiSter]

^ That's not what he did.

His ticket was in October, that's not enough time for an 11b. Has to have been 12 months or more since he got the ticket for the 11b to work.

[Thrizzl3]

cop probably didn't show up

[leungalv]

^ That's not what he did.

His ticket was in October, that's not enough time for an 11b. Has to have been 12 months or more since he got the ticket for the 11b to work.

Actually, section 11b warrants a wider interpretation than what you have given it. While you are correct, it is not limited to the "12 months" and it does not have to be 12 months. In the case of R v. Morin (which is one of the precedent cases), it was merely 10 months.

The purpose of section 11b is that ANYTHING which delays the trial process, which is NOT caused by the defendant may warrant a constitutional challenge under section 11b. So you are correct in that "reasonable" is usually 12 months.

However, if the defendant had requested disclosure well in advance, giving the Crown ample notice and time to prepare, and the Crown does not have it for the defendant then at the JP's discretion that MAY warrant a constitutional breach due to the trial being dragged on (i.e. the Crown may try to reschedule), not being caused by the defendant.

[n00bMeiSter]

Actually, section 11b warrants a wider interpretation than what you have given it. While you are correct, it is not limited to the "12 months" and it does not have to be 12 months. In the case of R v. Morin (which is one of the precedent cases), it was merely 10 months.

The purpose of section 11b is that ANYTHING which delays the trial process, which is NOT caused by the defendant may warrant a constitutional challenge under section 11b. So you are correct in that "reasonable" is usually 12 months.

However, if the defendant had requested disclosure well in advance, giving the Crown ample notice and time to prepare, and the Crown does not have it for the defendant then at the JP's discretion that MAY warrant a constitutional breach due to the trial being dragged on (i.e. the Crown may try to reschedule), not being caused by the defendant.


Still doesn't change the fact that that's not what he did.
Why don't we just let the OP tell us what happened.

[leungalv]

Still doesn't change the fact that that's not what he did.
Why don't we just let the OP tell us what happened.

I see what you're saying now ... I didn't even realize he resolved the issue ... sorry :( I was just offering general advice on how to handle tickets in general.

[n00bMeiSter]

I see what you're saying now ... I didn't even realize he resolved the issue ... sorry :( I was just offering general advice on how to handle tickets in general.

No worries :)
I wonder where the OP has wandered off too.... lol

[mz3~Power]

ok so ill explain exactly what happend to clear everything up :P as i said way back i got a letter from a mechanic saying that it was legal. i wasnt aloud to use it in court becuase the mechanic wasnt there with me so that didnt count. Phil is correct the cop didnt show but the judge just didnt seem interested with the ticket i guess. the procecutor just said its a minor ticket, and the judges exact words were " and...." then the procecutor said i would like to drop it. Then the judge said ok :p i think i just got super lucky, but like i said ... ive been driving with this exhaust for a long time now ... and never been pulled over. This cop had it out for me and im sure he will try and get me again. But im sure everyone with a maganflow exhaust should be fine, since its not even the loudest exhaust for our cars.

[n00bMeiSter]

^ Wow, that's awesome, and great luck lol

[Mazdy]

But im sure everyone with a maganflow exhaust should be fine, since its not even the loudest exhaust for our cars.

+1 :D

[schmat66]

ill hopefully be doing the same!

[schmat66]

wellllllll....

my ticket got dropped without even going to court!!!

got a letter in the mail
saying it was withdrawn :D

[Booostin]

I should get a magnaflow... they bring good luck ... well sorta :P

[Kiyomi]

how do u get an exhaust ticket with a magnaflow cbe?!?, thats jokes!!!

[aris]

how do u get an exhaust ticket with a magnaflow cbe?!?, thats jokes!!!

Very simple let you car rev while driving I front of cops

[Kiyomi]

Very simple let you car rev while driving I front of cops

lol even still, its not that loud. or if he did rev is engine, wouldnt that be a different ticket?

[ElectroJay]

At least your ticket is justified based on the confirmation that your exhaust is bafflerless. I got a ticket in york region, just like in your situation, where mine wasn't loud or anything. His reason? "can't have any aftermarket exhaust that's decorative" or some shit >:(

[schmat66]

noo i was ripping and i flew by a cop... so he said my exhaust wasnt legal... well i decided to fight.... and well i win

[Kiyomi]

noo i was ripping and i flew by a cop... so he said my exhaust wasnt legal... well i decided to fight.... and well i win

lmao, i thought so. plus, if he didnt have a decibal meter with him, just win in court.

[n00bMeiSter]

At least your ticket is justified based on the confirmation that your exhaust is bafflerless. I got a ticket in york region, just like in your situation, where mine wasn't loud or anything. His reason? "can't have any aftermarket exhaust that's decorative" or some shit >:(

That's complete bs

[Fuyuzora]

That's complete bs

It's the "unnecessary noise or smoke" section of the HTA, under officer discretion.

Still BS though, and probably not hard to have thrown out.

[n00bMeiSter]

It's the "unnecessary noise or smoke" section of the HTA, under officer discretion.

Still BS though, and probably not hard to have thrown out.

The noise and smoke is one thing, but giving him that bullshit about "you can't have decorative exhausts on your car" wtf is that crap

As long as the exhaust systems meets the requirements as set forth by the province, you can put on whatever you want. Sure he can try and give you a ticket for it, if he doesn't know that it meets all the requirements, you'll just get it thrown out in court when you bring in the proof that the manufacturer has met all the requirements. Or if you're lucky like Ryan, it will just get withdrawn before it even gets to court lol

[ElectroJay]

That's complete bs

Tell me 'bout it T___T

[n00bMeiSter]

Tell me 'bout it T___T

Time for some Falcon Punches.

[mz3~Power]

yea if you ripped it in front of the cop it would be a noise ticket. mine was improper muffler. but like i said before since the cop can bend light and see into my muffler he was a idiot. i have yet to see the same officer in my area since this time last year.

[Knighter]

At the risk of getting torn apart here....thought I’d chime in. Funny this is my first post. Just picked up an 07 MZ3 GT, already put AEM on it and am looking at the magnaflow myself (sounds great!). I'm glad to hear op had it withdrawn, I hate hearing coppers unable to articulate themselves properly at roadside. I can’t speak for many coppers in other areas, but i work downtown Toronto and could never be bothered with a loud exhaust, unless the vehicle is falling apart, or it’s flying through traffic and being completely unsafe (reason to pull it over and have a conversation). That’s my 2cents, for a lot of guys I work with, it simply comes down to safety, especially since a lot of us are car guys ourselves.

[schmat66]

i had mine withdrawn too. pretty much if they give you one saying yours is too loud you can question about a harley. there much louder and i have never heard of anyone getting a ticket for that, heard many stories of guys saying that to cops and them letting the guys go

[Knighter]

Glad to hear it. I said the same thing. I personally can't stand the sound of a Harley, and haven’t seen many downtown. If i did see them, they're only there for a bit and drive away and its done with. As long as they aren't ripping it up. You can say the same thing for all the Murcielagos driving up Yonge Street in first gear, its loud (i happen to like the sound) but they're only doing 30km. Problem is the "discretion" in the wording. Some coppers go too far, some let it all go. Bad apples in every profession, these ones just suck more...

[schmat66]

like i say my car sounds fast... but it isnt fast

lmao

all my neighbors hate it

[Knighter]

i'm sure my neighbours gonna hate when I start modding this. Had my svt contour for almost 9 years before this...it was loud with exhaust work. I'm hoping more subtle with this...we'll see lol

[Eddie81]

Oh my oh my can't wait till December 16 to rip by some cops With my magnaflow :bana

[cSPEED]

Don't know if it's been covered, not going to read the whole thread but - getting out of exhaust tickets 101:
1. google images: car mechanic, mechanic shop, mechanic logo, etc.
2. take a logo with no phone # or address
3. google: invoice template
4. open word put them together, create invoice for "exhaust swap, oil change $xxx"
5. show up to court and talk to prosecutor on the spot (if it's available, most courts have it now)
6. show receipt, goodbye ticket.

noone ever checks, will ever check, and if you ever get the exhaust ticket again rinse and repeat. Cops don't know why the ticket got dropped and they don't see you've already got some before (maybe they do but never mention it).
I have done this ~6 times, never been mentioned that I've done it before, no cop has ever mentioned it to me either.
This can be done with any non-moving violation (e.g. no speeding tickets, red lights, etc.)

[terapr0]

why wouldnt you just provide your actual receipt? Fabricating evidence is a serious offence and while unlikely, if you're caught lying, you'll be in a world more trouble than if you'd just told the truth.
Unless you made your own custom exhaust, chances are good it was installed by a professional muffler shop that would gladly vouch for the legality of the work performed.

[n00bMeiSter]

why wouldnt you just provide your actual receipt? Fabricating evidence is a serious offence and while unlikely, if you're caught lying, you'll be in a world more trouble than if you'd just told the truth.
Unless you made your own custom exhaust, chances are good it was installed by a professional muffler shop that would gladly vouch for the legality of the work performed.

+1



I didn't want to be the first to say it. But that's some serious fraud. Also, READ the entire thread before posting, and LOOK at the date on these threads. You just keep resurrecting old dead threads.

[cSPEED]

Not really. This thread is a week old from the last post. This forum hasn't had a new post since. Also, provide actual receipt? are you going to change your exhaust because you got a ticket? Why would you buy the exhaust then? Anything louder than stock is likely going to get you a ticket somewhere down the line, hell some cars with stock exhausts get those tickets (my buddy with stock IS350 for example).

Lol at serious fraud. I'm sure you think having an exhaust on your car is a serious offence too. Cops don't even give tickets based on whether the exhaust is street legal or not, most aftermarket exhausts are. They give tickets based on how loud it is and that is extremely subjective, hence stock cars getting exhaust tickets. Please enlighten me how that's any more fair than fabricating receipts?

Actually this thread is about 2 days old from the last post, lol.

[Kiyomi]

Not really. This thread is a week old from the last post. This forum hasn't had a new post since. Also, provide actual receipt? are you going to change your exhaust because you got a ticket? Why would you buy the exhaust then? Anything louder than stock is likely going to get you a ticket somewhere down the line, hell some cars with stock exhausts get those tickets (my buddy with stock IS350 for example).

Lol at serious fraud. I'm sure you think having an exhaust on your car is a serious offence too. Cops don't even give tickets based on whether the exhaust is street legal or not, most aftermarket exhausts are. They give tickets based on how loud it is and that is extremely subjective, hence stock cars getting exhaust tickets. Please enlighten me how that's any more fair than fabricating receipts?

you dont get it... if you get caught, its more serious than having a sound violation for the exhaust... sides weve already gone over it to just fight it in court and win, they need to have a decibal reader for the ticket to be proper. :D my exhaust is probably louder than your friends is350, never been bothered.

[n00bMeiSter]

Not really. This thread is a week old from the last post. This forum hasn't had a new post since. Also, provide actual receipt? are you going to change your exhaust because you got a ticket? Why would you buy the exhaust then? Anything louder than stock is likely going to get you a ticket somewhere down the line, hell some cars with stock exhausts get those tickets (my buddy with stock IS350 for example).

Lol at serious fraud. I'm sure you think having an exhaust on your car is a serious offence too. Cops don't even give tickets based on whether the exhaust is street legal or not, most aftermarket exhausts are. They give tickets based on how loud it is and that is extremely subjective, hence stock cars getting exhaust tickets.

Yeah, the exhaust on my car is going to get me thrown in jail. I'm sooo bad ass... :loco
Creating fake documents, forging signatures and shit. No, that's not fraud at all.


Please enlighten me how that's any more fair than fabricating receipts?
This makes absolutely no sense.
Committing fraud and unfairly getting a ticket from a cop are two completely different things.
"He gave me a ticket for my exhaust, that wasn't fair. So I created fake documents, now it's fair" HUH?!

[n00bMeiSter]

you dont get it... if you get caught, its more serious than having a sound violation for the exhaust... sides weve already gone over it to just fight it in court and win, they need to have a decibal reader for the ticket to be proper. :D my exhaust is probably louder than your friends is350, never been bothered.

+1
LOL, no "probably" about it Justin lol. Your exhaust is on par with NASCAR. LOL

[cSPEED]

Eh, I ran straight pipe before - shit was super loud and I got harassed constantly. Never once paid an exhaust ticket. And also, the invoice is not a forged legal document per se. If I bring my car to you, "noobmaster and cat mechanic shop out of my parents garage", and you invoice me for the fix of my exhaust then what is the judge going to say? GET IT REPLACED AT MAZDA OR **** YOU? It's something that is so highly unlikely to come back to you that it's not worth paying the 100$ ticket. Anyways, didn't want to get into an argument about this. I was under the impression that everyone does this but I guess people just don't talk about it.

[n00bMeiSter]

Eh, I ran straight pipe before - shit was super loud and I got harassed constantly. Never once paid an exhaust ticket. And also, the invoice is not a forged legal document per se. If I bring my car to you, "noobmaster and cat mechanic shop out of my parents garage", and you invoice me for the fix of my exhaust then what is the judge going to say? GET IT REPLACED AT MAZDA OR **** YOU? It's something that is so highly unlikely to come back to you that it's not worth paying the 100$ ticket. Anyways, didn't want to get into an argument about this. I was under the impression that everyone does this but I guess people just don't talk about it.

No, there is no "per se" about it. It IS.
And no, everybody does not do this. Nobody does this other than you. People will go to a shop, pay them to look at the car and then write an invoice saying they fixed the exhaust.

[Kiyomi]

Eh, I ran straight pipe before - shit was super loud and I got harassed constantly. Never once paid an exhaust ticket. And also, the invoice is not a forged legal document per se. If I bring my car to you, "noobmaster and cat mechanic shop out of my parents garage", and you invoice me for the fix of my exhaust then what is the judge going to say? GET IT REPLACED AT MAZDA OR **** YOU? It's something that is so highly unlikely to come back to you that it's not worth paying the 100$ ticket. Anyways, didn't want to get into an argument about this. I was under the impression that everyone does this but I guess people just don't talk about it.

why would u get harrased from just a straight pipe, especially on a ms3, turbo muffles the sound? if the cop did not have a decibal meter, you take it to court and win. example, schmatt (ryan). :D

[terapr0]

All I was asking was why you'd bother to create a fake receipt....unless you bought your exhaust used for cash and installed it yourself, wouldnt you have a legit receipt for it anyway? I bought my custom exhaust from Solo Performance and it was installed by Zoro Muffler....a licensed shop that gave me a real printed receipt. If you made up something yourself or just welded in your own straight pipe then maybe I could understand, but most people buy their exhausts from a legit source. Even if you bought it online you should be able to get an invoice, or at least request info from the manufacturer.
do whatever you want I dont care, it just seems like a lot of risk for very little gain. Lying in court is never a good idea. I know someone who got nailed for perjury in an entirely unrelated incident and the fine and legal fees were insane. waaaaayyyy more than what he was originally facing.

[cSPEED]

why would u get harrased from just a straight pipe, especially on a ms3, turbo muffles the sound? if the cop did not have a decibal meter, you take it to court and win. example, schmatt (ryan). :D

Naw wasn't on an MS3. Was on a NA car - pretty much just cat delete. And BTW - noobmeister what you said is no less fraud than what I said, except I don't actually pay someone to "look" at my car when I can look at it myself and tell you that it's street legal. I shouldn't be getting tickets for a street legal exhaust because the cop thinks its too loud but has no decibel reading, and therefore gives me a ticket for "improper muffler" when clearly its proper. Maybe if you get 1 ticket it wouldn't be so bad to have a mechanic look at it and tell you what you already know, but for peace of mind, once you start getting these tickets every month/couple months then sorry but having my mechanic look at it every time is not sustainable nor is it necessary because I have done nothing wrong with my street legal exhaust.

And also, you need a receipt which states the exhaust was changed - not that it is street legal unless its stock. I have gone to the 1st attendance to speak with a prosecutor and when I brought in proof that the exhaust was street legal he said "It doesn't matter, if the police officer believed it to be illegal and gave you a ticket, the exhaust needs to be replaced or the ticket must be paid"

[n00bMeiSter]

Naw wasn't on an MS3. Was on a NA car - pretty much just cat delete. And BTW - noobmeister what you said is no less fraud than what I said, except I don't actually pay someone to "look" at my car when I can look at it myself and tell you that it's street legal. I shouldn't be getting tickets for a street legal exhaust because the cop thinks its too loud but has no decibel reading, and therefore gives me a ticket for "improper muffler" when clearly its proper. Maybe if you get 1 ticket it wouldn't be so bad to have a mechanic look at it and tell you what you already know, but for peace of mind, once you start getting these tickets every month/couple months then sorry but having my mechanic look at it every time is not sustainable nor is it necessary because I have done nothing wrong with my street legal exhaust.

No, you can't tell them shit. You're not a certified shop or a registered independent mechanic. You're some guy with a ****ing exhaust ticket, they aren't going to believe you, that's why you had to forge documents.
Whereas if I take my car into a mechanic, and say "cops said that I have an improper muffler". They look at the car, write me an invoice saying they fixed a hole in the muffler I pay them and leave. 100% legal. No where in there did I create false documentation. Now if the mechanic that inspected my car, charged me for muffler repair and never actually fixed anything, that's not my fault. That happens at legitimate dealerships every hour of every day. They can't charge me with perjury. I took my car to a shop and asked them to look at my exhaust, they said it had a hole and they fixed it, I paid them for their services and went on my way. I may have paid them for services that were never rendered, but I don't know that. I'm just a customer who was scammed by a shop. The service advisors at just about every dealership out there charge people for services they don't need all the time (and half the time they don't even actually perform the services they charged you for).

[n00bMeiSter]

And also, you need a receipt which states the exhaust was changed - not that it is street legal unless its stock. I have gone to the 1st attendance to speak with a prosecutor and when I brought in proof that the exhaust was street legal he said "It doesn't matter, if the police officer believed it to be illegal and gave you a ticket, the exhaust needs to be replaced or the ticket must be paid"

Well your first mistake was going to first attendance. You NEVER go to first attendance. You go to your court date and show proof. The point to first attendance is so they can get more info to use against you, as well as trick you into thinking you can't get out of the ticket.
Nowhere in the traffic act does it state that I cannot have an aftermarket exhaust on my car. Not all mechanics have access to dealerships for every car. Sometimes they are too far away from a dealer to get real parts. As long as the exhaust meets the emissions and noise standards set forth in the traffic act, there's nothing they can do.

[terapr0]

No, you can't tell them shit. You're not a certified shop or a registered independent mechanic. You're some guy with a ****ing exhaust ticket, they aren't going to believe you, that's why you had to forge documents.


+10

[cSPEED]

Well your first mistake was going to first attendance. You NEVER go to first attendance. You go to your court date and show proof. The point to first attendance is so they can get more info to use against you, as well as trick you into thinking you can't get out of the ticket.
Nowhere in the traffic act does it state that I cannot have an aftermarket exhaust on my car. Not all mechanics have access to dealerships for every car. Sometimes they are too far away from a dealer to get real parts. As long as the exhaust meets the emissions and noise standards set forth in the traffic act, there's nothing they can do.

Ok. I'm done arguing about this it's really a waste of time and the only reason I even continued was cause I really need 50 posts to post in classifieds. Anyways, not going to first attendance is the worst advice I've ever heard but I really don't want to argue about that too, I'll just keep my record clean attending it and having my 95% drop on the spot rate while you book court dates, wait 10 months, book a day off work, and generally turn it into a production.

[n00bMeiSter]

Ok. I'm done arguing about this it's really a waste of time and the only reason I even continued was cause I really need 50 posts to post in classifieds. Anyways, not going to first attendance is the worst advice I've ever heard but I really don't want to argue about that too, I'll just keep my record clean attending it and having my 95% drop on the spot rate while you book court dates, wait 10 months, book a day off work, and generally turn it into a production.

Well, when lawyers say it's pointless to go to first attendance, I'm going to listen to them over you, a person who commits fraud.
I don't book days off work, I take a couple hours off and that's it. And you didn't have to take time off to go to your first attendance? Yeah, that's what I thought.
You skip the first attendance and they give you a court date, you go in, with proper documents and they drop the charges. 9 times out of 10, it gets dropped before they even give you a court date.

[Booostin]

LOL at making fake documents.

[schmat66]

why make a fake one when you can go to an exhaust shop like i did and get one for free?

asking for more trouble on a stupid money grabbing charge that you almost always win.

kkthxbai :.02

[n00bMeiSter]

I think at this point we're just beating a dead horse and it's time for a lock.

:lock

[Noisy Crow]

Ok. I'm done arguing about this it's really a waste of time and the only reason I even continued was cause I really need 50 posts to post in classifieds.

I can see this turning out well! Nothing like bragging about committing fraud to inspire people to want to do business with you :loco

[Default User]

It's a fix-it ticket.
Fix the problem - show the cops you fixed it - go home and rub one out.

IB4TL


Take the initiative. Bring it in to a police division, ask that they properly measure the db level.

[leungalv]

*snip*

Lol at serious fraud. I'm sure you think having an exhaust on your car is a serious offence too. Cops don't even give tickets based on whether the exhaust is street legal or not, most aftermarket exhausts are. They give tickets based on how loud it is and that is extremely subjective, hence stock cars getting exhaust tickets. Please enlighten me how that's any more fair than fabricating receipts?

Actually this thread is about 2 days old from the last post, lol.

Just FYI ... please see Criminal Code s. 366 pertaining to forgery. You might also want to read R. v. Morris, 2006 CarswellOnt 1018 (Ont. S.C.J.). In spite for the fact that forgery can be tried as a summary offence, the fact that you're in breach of the CC if not a "serious fraud", at least it's a serious matter.

[cSPEED]

Ok. Everyone in this thread being an e-lawyer needs to chill the **** out. This is not some grand forgery scheme I'm committing. I am doing what you are doing except I'm not leaving my house. Get over it. I get 5-6 bullshit tickets a year for my "improper" yet street legal and proper decibel level exhaust that I paid ~1k for. All e-lawyers and e-cops claiming that I'm committing some sort of insane scheme that noones ever heard of are welcome to come to my house and arrest me, and the rest of the tuning community along with me. Sorry you've never heard of this but I didn't invent it and was actually under the impression that this is what everyone who buys an aftermarket exhaust does as cops gives these tickets out like candy (at least in richmond hill).

Also, to the guy above me. This is not serious fraud. This is not a criminal offence. This would be a misdemeanor at best.

My forging a receipt for a $30 exhaust check for "my garage exhaust fix shop" without actually going to a mechanic is no different than a cop giving me an improper muffler ticket without checking my muffler.

And just to keep the online justice team happy: I AM BY NO MEANS ADVOCATING YOU SHOULD FORGE DOCUMENTS

comeatmebro

[cSPEED]

It's a fix-it ticket.
Fix the problem - show the cops you fixed it - go home and rub one out.

IB4TL


Take the initiative. Bring it in to a police division, ask that they properly measure the db level.

You ever actually tried this? Because I have and they told me to take it up in court.

[Kiyomi]

lol now im really curious to see how loud your exhaust really is. cant be that bad. :D

[Thrizzl3]

My forging a receipt for a $30 exhaust check for "my garage exhaust fix shop" without actually going to a mechanic is no different than a cop giving me an improper muffler ticket without checking my muffler.

And just to keep the online justice team happy: I AM BY NO MEANS ADVOCATING YOU SHOULD FORGE DOCUMENTS

comeatmebro

is it really that hard for you to go to jimmy (street performance) to ask him for his assistance to create a receipt to show that your exhaust is indeed street legal? I'm pretty sure he will me more than willing to help you out. AND it's a way better alternative than creating a fake receipt.

[Booostin]

is it really that hard for you to go to jimmy (street performance) to ask him for his assistance to create a receipt to show that your exhaust is indeed street legal? I'm pretty sure he will me more than willing to help you out. AND it's a way better alternative than creating a fake receipt.

Youll get pulled over for your new sticker lol

[leungalv]

Ok. Everyone in this thread being an e-lawyer needs to chill the **** out. This is not some grand forgery scheme I'm committing. I am doing what you are doing except I'm not leaving my house. Get over it. I get 5-6 bullshit tickets a year for my "improper" yet street legal and proper decibel level exhaust that I paid ~1k for. All e-lawyers and e-cops claiming that I'm committing some sort of insane scheme that noones ever heard of are welcome to come to my house and arrest me, and the rest of the tuning community along with me. Sorry you've never heard of this but I didn't invent it and was actually under the impression that this is what everyone who buys an aftermarket exhaust does as cops gives these tickets out like candy (at least in richmond hill).

Also, to the guy above me. This is not serious fraud. This is not a criminal offence. This would be a misdemeanor at best.

My forging a receipt for a $30 exhaust check for "my garage exhaust fix shop" without actually going to a mechanic is no different than a cop giving me an improper muffler ticket without checking my muffler.

And just to keep the online justice team happy: I AM BY NO MEANS ADVOCATING YOU SHOULD FORGE DOCUMENTS

comeatmebro

There's no such thing as a misdemeanor in Canada. I'm not an e-lawyer, I am a lawyer ... creating a false document and holding it to be a genuine document is a criminal offence, triable by indictment or summary conviction (Canada' equivalent to misdemeanor).

[ElectroJay]

There's no such thing as a misdemeanor in Canada. I'm not an e-lawyer, I am a lawyer ... creating a false document and holding it to be a genuine document is a criminal offence, triable by indictment or summary conviction (Canada' equivalent to misdemeanor).

that was clutch :D

[Booostin]

Too much urban dictionary

[greaves82]

Ok. Everyone in this thread being an e-lawyer needs to chill the **** out. This is not some grand forgery scheme I'm committing. I am doing what you are doing except I'm not leaving my house. Get over it. I get 5-6 bullshit tickets a year for my "improper" yet street legal and proper decibel level exhaust that I paid ~1k for. All e-lawyers and e-cops claiming that I'm committing some sort of insane scheme that noones ever heard of are welcome to come to my house and arrest me, and the rest of the tuning community along with me. Sorry you've never heard of this but I didn't invent it and was actually under the impression that this is what everyone who buys an aftermarket exhaust does as cops gives these tickets out like candy (at least in richmond hill).

Also, to the guy above me. This is not serious fraud. This is not a criminal offence. This would be a misdemeanor at best.

My forging a receipt for a $30 exhaust check for "my garage exhaust fix shop" without actually going to a mechanic is no different than a cop giving me an improper muffler ticket without checking my muffler.

And just to keep the online justice team happy: I AM BY NO MEANS ADVOCATING YOU SHOULD FORGE DOCUMENTS

comeatmebro

Just so you know, there is no misdameanor in Ontario. As for forgining a document and presenting it as a genuine document is a dual offence. If you actually do it and the courts find out, they could either charge you by either indictable offence (if found guilty you could be liable for imprisonment for a term of less the 10 years) or summary (if found guilty, could be liable for imprisonment of 6 months)

Personally not really worth the risk, just go and get it inspected