Random MS3 Chat Thread

[Fobio]

For those of you too lazy to search for a topic or just want to shoot the sh!t about MS3...here you go!

This thread shall serve as the defacto offline "informal MS3 chat" over the winter season...

I'll organize another "Informal MS3 Chat" meet after the new year.

Remember, if you have something meaningful to ask or contribute, it's best to start a new thread so others or yourself can easily search for it in the future...these "catch-all" threads are difficult to search through and info may get lost...

So in the meantime, between now and our next meet, ask you questions here...

[chrismelito]

Gas?

I dunno, I've read so much about gas, but there doesn't really seem to be a consensus on Pioneer 91 octane gas. I know that a lot of people are beholden to the Shell 94, but I'm wondering if anyone has had any actual bad experiences with Pioneer 91? Is it actually supplied by Sunoco, or no? I have a Pioneer very close to the house, use it for all my BBQ propane needs, and the Bonus Bucks thing is pretty awesome. I've gone through one tank of the gas the dealership put in, and just filled it with the Pioneer to give it a shot. No big deal, what do you guys think?

[Elusivellama]

While we're on the topic of gas... how about Canadian Tire Gas bar 91 octane? The 87 octane is good to my regular Mazda, hoping the 91 will prove to be as good. The reason why I mention this is because I can save anywhere from 2cts to 10cts per litre depending on how much I spend on a billing cycle on my Cdn Tire mastercard, always a minimum 2cts savings at all times. Obviously I don't overspend to get the higher gas discount, but I do look for ways to put expenses on the card so I can reach the next tier (buying stuff for a family member, etc).

(yes, I did also read that people swear by Sunoco 94, now sold by Petro Canada I believe?)

[horto]

Y'all splurged for the turbo zoom zoom, splurge and feed your new baby some quality fuel?

[Elusivellama]

Y'all splurged for the turbo zoom zoom, splurge and feed your new baby some quality fuel?

:( such a slippery slope. Can you describe the diff. between regular 91 and sunoco 94, in feel of the car?

[horto]

No. That's why god invented search buttons! :)

http://archive.perfectduluthday.com/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

My point is not about feel, but about care and feeding of a quality piece of machinery. Those of us that are passionate about our cars are passionate about what fluids and fuel we put into them.
No offense, but I wouldn't put Canadian Tire gas into ANY car that I own...

Would you feed your own child discount baby formula? Hells no!

[Elusivellama]

91 Shell cannot be compressed as much as 94 before pre-detonation occurs hence the engine senses detonation and runs in safe mode and dumps excess fuel to lower cylinder tempreture and prevent pre-detonation. Hence more fuel that can possibly be burnt while running in safe mode and out onto back of car!!! 94 octance can be compressed and does not pre-detonate prior to top dead centre does not run in safe mode all fuel is burnt when spark fires at TDC,(top dead centre) hence no unburnt fuel on back of car only slight soot on tailpipes.

Something like this? Found it with searching on google.

[Kinn]

Something like this? Found it with searching on google.

I believe that's called knock. Higher octane prevents the fuel mix from igniting due to high compression before being fired buy the plugs. That's all that higher octane does...prevents, knock. My understanding is that unless you are tuning the car, the motor and fuel system is designed to run with minimal knock on 91. I'm not really sure that you get any benefit from 94 unless you tune for it. I'm guessing the stock ECM won't make enough of a timing adjustment to really add power.

But I could be wrong...

[JStroke]

No. That's why god invented search buttons! :)

http://archive.perfectduluthday.com/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

My point is not about feel, but about care and feeding of a quality piece of machinery. Those of us that are passionate about our cars are passionate about what fluids and fuel we put into them.
No offense, but I wouldn't put Canadian Tire gas into ANY car that I own...

Would you feed your own child discount baby formula? Hells no!

Where does Canadian Tire get their gas? I was under the impression that there are 4 refineries that it may have come from in Ontario, by 3 different companies. They don't make their own gas. What is the issue with CT gas? I have always liked it.

[chrismelito]

Firstly, I'd like to point out that I did do a search of both the internet and this forum to find out if there was any specific, complete, verifiable information on Pioneer gas in the Mazdaspeed 3. Neither search provided the information I was looking for, and most from this forum referred to Pioneer electronics. What little mentions there were on Pioneer gas products referred to information that was either incomplete or not specific to the MS3.

Second, I have no issue whatsoever spending extra money on gas. I don't find gas prices to be expensive in North America, as I'm fully aware that we pay significantly less than most other places in the world. I have zero problem with the extra money involved in paying for 94 octane vs. 91 octane gas. However, I don't have a convenient station near to me, so if Pioneer 91 has been deemed completely acceptable by a fair number of MS3 drivers, I'm more than happy to purchase that gas. However, because Pioneer stations are few and far between, I'm not surprised that there is a small amount of information.

If it needs to be Sunoco 94 gas, and Pennzoil Premium/Ultra oil, and whatever brake/tranny/whatever fluid, that's what I'm going to buy. But if there's no measurable difference then I just don't see the point in going well out of my way to get the 94.

So, I wonder, is there any information that you guys have on Pioneer specifically, or is it too small a statistical sample size to know? If yes to the second part of the question then I will err on the side of caution and go the extra distance for the Sunoco Ultra 94.

To quote Zoom Zoom Boy "My car does not like Shell 91 octane fuel and other MS3 owners have also concurred with this. Then again, plenty run Shell 91 and swear by it, but to each their own." That doesn't sound conclusive to me, but I am more than happy to bow to the forum's significant experience.

[Fobio]

The closest gas station to Cayuga is a Pioneer...unless I'm on fumes LEAVING the track, I'd never fill there...and if I do, it'll be just enough to get to a petro/sunocco...

I think the very fact that you don't see/hear anyone using Pioneer for the MS3 or have written any glowing reviews about Pioneer speaks volumes about its use with the MS3.

having ssaid that, I need to state that I'm not pointing out that this or that gas is no good...all I'm saying is that there is overwhelming evidence that Ultra 94 is best for this car, esp when tuned...

stock guys wouldn't feel a diff between 91 and 94...and I dare anyone to prove me wrong on a track/dyno.

[laksman91]

I don't see what the hype is about 94 Octane when your car is made from the factory to run on 91. Unless your tune requires 94, don't see why not 91. I personally run V-Power 91 all the time, and if I'm too lazy to find a Shell, I use the PetroCan 94

[Fobio]

I also wouldn't drive like 10 km out of the way to get gas tho...lol...but getting gas could be "habit forming" in this car...so in the past couple of moves, one of the first thing I looked for was a gas stn/dealer with Ultra...I know I have three near me, and more importantly, I also know all the ones that don't...haha...

if you're not in the city, getting one stn to another costs more than a litre of gas, then I'd say, it's not worth it...but I might also alter my routes a bit to allow me to get my personal preference of gas...

even tuned, I sometimes run Petro/Esso/Shell 91 when I know I'm not going to be pushing my car into the rpm ranges where I have advanced timing.

[chrismelito]

I guess I'll find some 94 for my next fill-up, and see if I notice any difference. I'm probably not going to do any modifications to the car until it stops being my daily driver, so maybe it's a moot point for now.

I didn't want to confuse things, or raise anyone's ire, so thanks everyone for all your input.

[Fobio]

I guess I'll find some 94 for my next fill-up, and see if I notice any difference. I'm probably not going to do any modifications to the car until it stops being my daily driver, so maybe it's a moot point for now.

I didn't want to confuse things, or raise anyone's ire, so thanks everyone for all your input.

hey man...it's the random chat...put your legs up and get to know the personalities behind the words...=)

we didn't get this car cuz we're generally agreeable...and another reason to chk out the scene on mazdaspeedforums.org for a wider perspective.

[chrismelito]

Argh! Too many forums! :thumbsup

[MajesticBlueNTO]

hey man...it's the random chat...put your legs up and get to know the personalities behind the words...=)

we didn't get this car cuz we're generally agreeable...and another reason to chk out the scene on mazdaspeedforums.org for a wider perspective.


Argh! Too many forums! :thumbsup

you'll need to grow some thick skin to surf, let alone post, on msf.org :chuckle

as for gas, i ran Shell 91 for 7 months, and the previous owner put nothing but Shell 91 in the car ...it ran fine both stock and on the cobb stg1 91 tune.

[horto]

+1

As I've said in other posts: I prefer to run Shell V-power 91 with a 91 octane tune (on my Cobb AP) for daily driving (commuting), because in *my* car, I get better gas mileage that way. Track days and summer I run Ultra 94 with a 94 octane tune whenever possible.

Problem is, I don't have a Sunoco anywhere near me. But I do have a Shell on my way home from work. So I balance convenience with performance. (And tune accordingly).

Back to my original point, my car gets Sunoco/Petro 94 or Shell 91. Nothing else. Esso if I'm really desperate. Nothing less than that.

Now, stock was a different story. I got super shit gas mileage with Ultra 94. When I got mods and the AP, the 94 octane tune made my gas mileage better (plus performance, higher boost targets, butt dyno, etc). If I was stock I wouldn't bother with the 94 octane, just Shell V-power 91. But every car is different... I even notice a huge difference between my '07 and Acechikita's 07. Same car, same year, relatively close manufacturer's dates, but totally different beasts. Can't really explain it other than nuances.

What I would suggest is run through a few different kinds of gas. Get a full tank at a time, measure your mileage with the trip odometer and see how the car feels. As you get to know the car, you'll get a feel for what it likes and what it doesn't...


I also wouldn't drive like 10 km out of the way to get gas tho...lol...but getting gas could be "habit forming" in this car...so in the past couple of moves, one of the first thing I looked for was a gas stn/dealer with Ultra...I know I have three near me, and more importantly, I also know all the ones that don't...haha...

if you're not in the city, getting one stn to another costs more than a litre of gas, then I'd say, it's not worth it...but I might also alter my routes a bit to allow me to get my personal preference of gas...

even tuned, I sometimes run Petro/Esso/Shell 91 when I know I'm not going to be pushing my car into the rpm ranges where I have advanced timing.

[PR3Y11]

i've only had to get one fill up so far since the dealer, which was probably running it on 91, i normally use ultra and have gotten used to pumping that, but surprisingly i haven't noticed much of a difference in this car except for the terrible fuel ecom but that's not really something i didn't expect.
also a random note and seek a little advise:
i'm thinking of getting a new set of rims+tires for spring/summer, my stock speed rims and tires are still brand new (never driven on yet), should i try and sell those off or should i just hold on to them, with the old speed, the rims look pretty nice, but i don't really like the look of the new ones so powder coating them isn't really an option i want to take.
as for rims i'll just end up picking out whatever it is that i like, but i need some help with the tires. any suggestions?

[laksman91]

For tires, since you have a dedicated winter set, I would go with a straight summer set instead of an All-Season.

Pros: Awesome grip, handling
Cons: Greater wear you'd need to replace them more

Some good ones are Dunlop Star-Specs, Hankook RS-3, Yokohama AD08 - the Dunlop being the general bang for the buck tire. These are on the more aggressive end of the spectrum. You can go for a milder set like the Hankook V12 and still get awesome grip. Personally, I'm getting meself a set of Michelin Pilot Sport Cups - I don't drive the car all that much so I can deal with the wear.

MBNTO and Fobio should have good info on tires

[Elusivellama]

Since we're talking about gas and there are a couple other new MS3 owners in here aside from myself, I expect that we'll see break-in fuel economy (ex. 13 - 14L/100km or worse) until the car is ready to play nice, probably due in part to the whole 'varying speeds' break-in procedure along with occasional mid-open throttles. That's something I'll have to remember when I'm cruising on the highway, I tend to go about 110 these days and let all the faster drivers go ahead and trigger all the speed traps for me :P Do you think it's a good idea to bring it up to around 5000 or even 5500 rpm on occasion, to let the car experience a higher rev range than normal DD rpm range? I know the manual says not to go WOT in break-in, especially not WOT starts, so I was planning on doing a downshift at highway speeds to a safe gear while letting off the throttle, stay there for about 5 seconds or so while allowing the car to rev up to that range, then go back to normal highway driving. If this is the wrong thing to do, let me know.

[starscream]

Does anyone know if Pioneer changed gas suppliers/refineries?

I say this because I am suspected to believe that maybe Pioneer uses the same refinery as Sunoco/Petro Canada. Remember back in the day they (Pioneer) carried the "MAGNUM 94" gas? It wasnt at all stations but I remember them having it. Given right now the only supplier is Sunoco/PetroCanada that has 94, it could have been from the same refinery? I dunno just a thought.

Personally I use Sunoco 94 (My strategy is if you use your points you can get a 5cent off per litre card (for 200L) for 6000 points, so use that and the gas effectively becomes cheap as 91) and luckily theres a Sunoco/Petro that has 94 2 minutes from my house. If I am in dire needs I get Shell 91. Its maybe in my head but I get better mileage with Shell 91 (maybe lack of ethonol in their 91? I dunno).

[PR3Y11]

For tires, since you have a dedicated winter set, I would go with a straight summer set instead of an All-Season.

Pros: Awesome grip, handling
Cons: Greater wear you'd need to replace them more

Some good ones are Dunlop Star-Specs, Hankook RS-3, Yokohama AD08 - the Dunlop being the general bang for the buck tire. These are on the more aggressive end of the spectrum. You can go for a milder set like the Hankook V12 and still get awesome grip. Personally, I'm getting meself a set of Michelin Pilot Sport Cups - I don't drive the car all that much so I can deal with the wear.

MBNTO and Fobio should have good info on tires

Thanks for the pointers I'll definitely look into those tires. I was lookin at the Toyota t1r and it seems to have some good reviews any input on those?

[Fobio]

Thanks for the pointers I'll definitely look into those tires. I was lookin at the Toyota t1r and it seems to have some good reviews any input on those?

I wouldn't buy Toyota tires, even if they made them...they might not stop. EL OH EL

Hankook V12's...they're the best bang-for-buck tires out there...a great number of positive reviews on msf.org. Great in the rain...amazing price...other than a softer than normal side-wall, they're better than the Falken 615's or Nitto 555's that I have ran before.

[laksman91]

Lol, Toyota.. The Toyo T1Rs are priced pretty high if I remember correctly - probably better options at that price range.

[alhope34]

When I was stage 2+ I never felt a difference between the 91 tune running 91 and the 93 tune running 94. I travel a lot and have used pretty much every gas station Ive seen around, aside from the one-off single location places. Ive used Pioneer, Husky, Ultramar, etc. Ive only ever had a problem with one single tank recently from the Shell across the street from my apartment building, where I always get gas from whenever I fill at home. Made my exhaust reek of sulfur smell and made a CEL come on twice. Two tanks of 94 then I started using that Shells 91 again and all was fine. No smell anymore and the CEL went off and stayed off so far. No one gas station or company will have the highest quality gas ALL the time. Theres always that one bad batch, like what I must have got.

If you want the peace of mind and you think 94 will be super duper for your car then limit yourself to finding only 94 octane gas. Id personally only search for it out of my normal driving routes if I was tuned for 93 again. My opinion is this car was designed to run on 91. 91 octane is 91 octane, I wont look for one company in particular to get it from, as its all the same to me. I just wont go to any of those one location places because of the horror stories I have heard from friends and family about places dumping water in their fuel to dilute it.

[Elusivellama]

Random question, how do you guys store your loose parking change? I used to put them in my ashtray, that's gone now for the 2010s lol

[alhope34]

I keep 4 quarters in case I need to pump my tires in the little holder thing on the centre console just to the right of the shifter. dont know if that area is still in the 2010s.

[JStroke]

I keep 4 quarters in case I need to pump my tires in the little holder thing on the centre console just to the right of the shifter. dont know if that area is still in the 2010s.

Its gone in 2010s. There isn't a great spot for change which sucks on one hand, but then again areas where you keep change get pretty nasty. There is the ledge to left of the wheel which isn't great, or in the armrest in a small removable tray.

[Fobio]

Its gone in 2010s. There isn't a great spot for change which sucks on one hand, but then again areas where you keep change get pretty nasty. There is the ledge to left of the wheel which isn't great, or in the armrest in a small removable tray.

get a nice black plastic cup, and leave it in the cup holder.

[Elusivellama]

get a nice black plastic cup, and leave it in the cup holder.
I'll tape it to the ceiling :P

No seriously, I was in CT... just poking around... and saw these overpriced ricer-emblem ash-trays about 4" high and with a lid that look perfect for holding coins, fit in the drink holder or can be left in the centre console out of sight.

[chrismelito]

I'm so picky about stuff being in the cabin of my car, I even hide my gloves when I'm not wearing them. I have no idea where I would put coins in this car, so I guess I'll just make sure I have coins in my pocket.

[PR3Y11]

I wouldn't buy Toyota tires, even if they made them...they might not stop. EL OH EL

Hankook V12's...they're the best bang-for-buck tires out there...a great number of positive reviews on msf.org. Great in the rain...amazing price...other than a softer than normal side-wall, they're better than the Falken 615's or Nitto 555's that I have ran before.

lol yes i definitely meant toyo, my iphone likes correcting even when i'm right

[Elusivellama]

I'm so picky about stuff being in the cabin of my car, I even hide my gloves when I'm not wearing them. I have no idea where I would put coins in this car, so I guess I'll just make sure I have coins in my pocket.

You don't like the dashboard bagel and the week old McD fries in the drink holders?

[alhope34]

I put some red LEDs in my front seat foot wells yesterday. Looks nice and goes well with the other red dash lights at night, I think. I want to get some white LED strips like I got in red for the front and mount them on either side of my trunk. The stock trunk light is useless. I'd wire the LED strips to the stock trunk light switch and just take out the stock bulb.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I wouldn't buy Toyota tires, even if they made them...they might not stop. EL OH EL

Hankook V12's...they're the best bang-for-buck tires out there...a great number of positive reviews on msf.org. Great in the rain...amazing price...other than a softer than normal side-wall, they're better than the Falken 615's or Nitto 555's that I have ran before.

I also have the Hankook V12s.

PR3Y11, if the Star Specs and RS-3 (a step up from the V12 in Hankook's product lineup) are considerably cheaper than the V12s then, by all means, pick them up ....but know that the limit of the V12s are quite high and you may not even reach their limit on the street.

it all boils down to what you want to do with the tires..

* If it's just street driving, the V12s are hard to ignore.
* If it's street/auto-x/track, then the RS-3 or AD08 would be the way to go
* If you have another set of rims for auto-x/track then, again, V12s for street and whatever R-compounds you want for the track are a popular combo.

[PR3Y11]

I also have the Hankook V12s.

PR3Y11, if the Star Specs and RS-3 (a step up from the V12 in Hankook's product lineup) are considerably cheaper than the V12s then, by all means, pick them up ....but know that the limit of the V12s are quite high and you may not even reach their limit on the street.

it all boils down to what you want to do with the tires..

* If it's just street driving, the V12s are hard to ignore.
* If it's street/auto-x/track, then the RS-3 or AD08 would be the way to go
* If you have another set of rims for auto-x/track then, again, V12s for street and whatever R-compounds you want for the track are a popular combo.

thanks for the advice mbnto and fobio, i think i'll be looking to get a set of v12's since both you and fobio say it's good, and as for track tires, i'll have to pay the track a visit this summer and see if i'll be making frequent visits, if so then i'll be investing some money in another set for the track

[chrismelito]

You don't like the dashboard bagel and the week old McD fries in the drink holders?

I don't like the anything in the anything. My GF thinks I'm crazy, and subsequently has a Ford Escape that is full of crap. Do the other MS3 drivers keep the inside spotless, or am I the only nutter?

[alhope34]

I used to, until I realized its still just a cheap econobox with a turbo and that worrying about it gave me more stress than it was worth.

[Elusivellama]

I don't like the anything in the anything. My GF thinks I'm crazy, and subsequently has a Ford Escape that is full of crap. Do the other MS3 drivers keep the inside spotless, or am I the only nutter?

I keep the interior of any of my cars, doesn't matter what it is, as clean as I can, but at the same time I don't really spend much time thinking about it. It just happens. I do spray armor all on the dash every now and then, and vacuum the carpets once in a while, but mostly my habits and the weathertech digitalfits keep things clean.

[PR3Y11]

i try to keep my car as clean as possible and usually do a little detailing once a month myself and on a yearly basis with a detailer. even with the exterior i try to wash when ever i can because looking at my car being dirty really bugs me

[JStroke]

Me too. I try and keep it spotless, that way it feels like a nicer car. But it is still new to me so we will see how long it keeps up, especially in the winter.

One thing I find with this car is there is no go storage place to keep anything, ie. a few tools in the truck, has anyone here modified the styrofoam spare holder or anything else. Does anyone else carry a few tools etc in their car and have a good spot?

[PR3Y11]

i left my winter snow brush in the trunk and even that seems out of place and i don't really want to leave it there but it may be necessary sometime so i know what you mean. i was actually thinking of getting some sort of snap on bracket that i could attach to that fold down hatch door thing (attached at the bottom) so it would be out of sight and would make my trunk look spotless.
as for tools, i guess you could potentially put them where the spare lies but i havn't really thought of it since i don't really carry any tools around

[Elusivellama]

What I do is get a cloth tool holder, the kind that has a row of tool pockets on the inside and draw strings on the outside, put some basic stuff like a qic-pic screwdriver, pliers, xacto knife, wrench, etc. Tie it up tight and wedge it somewhere under the trunk lid or in with the jack in the side compartment. I also keep a small plastic rubbermaid bin to put stuff in, and leave that in the trunk - nobody sees it except me and only when I open the trunk, and I can store loose stuff in there that would otherwise roll around.

The cargo space is meant for using, and with the rubber cargo mat I'm not at all shy about putting stuff in there.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

I don't like the anything in the anything. My GF thinks I'm crazy, and subsequently has a Ford Escape that is full of crap. Do the other MS3 drivers keep the inside spotless, or am I the only nutter?

Not the only nutter. I'm one too. Heck, I still have the clear plastic film from the factory over the pull down arm rests/ cup holders in the back seats. LOL.

[alhope34]

I carry a basic set of tools, pretty much anything Id need without also needing a hoist. Things I keep in the glove box: needle nose pliers, two flash lights, emergency window breaker, utility knife, 3.5 inch fixed blade knife, wheel lock key(s) and electrical tape. In my trunk I shove all my tools around the edges of the spare tire and some things I shove under the plastic piece at the very top of the spare (the piece close to the rear seats when looking in through the open hatch). This area contains: socket set, 4-5 screw drivers, 21mm half inch drive socket for my wheels, torque wrench, jumper cable, tow rope with hooks on the ends, my Mazda oil filter tool and a few other things I am forgetting right now. All the wires for my trailer light converter box are hooked up in and around the area that my OEM jack is, so I dont like jamming anything in there anymore. Oh, also, lately Ive been carrying around my floor jack and two safety stands in the trunk. Seems like when I have a sub box in the trunk constantly anyway, I stop caring so much about keeping my trunk cluttered or clean.

[chrismelito]

This is what I posted in the "Emergency Kit" thread in the regular section of the forum:

First aid kit; road-side kit, including pylon thingy, jumper cables, flares, thermal blanket (like tinfoil), non-perishable food bars; winter gloves; blanket; shammy; paper towels; snow brush; extra tub of washer fluid. One other thing that I find is SUPER useful is a couple flat, wide, wood shims. I use these to spread out the weight of the jack if I ever need to change a tire on soft ground (you never know where you'll end up when you get a flat). I know that sounds like a lot of stuff, but it all fits neatly in a little holder that tucks in behind my back seats.

I forgot to mention my small tool kit, but I'm thinking alhope34's tow cable is a good idea...might incorporate that too.

[horto]

Don't forget an emergency/survival candle and some sort of tin cup in case you get stuck in a blizzard on the 402 for 24 hours :)



This is what I posted in the "Emergency Kit" thread in the regular section of the forum:

First aid kit; road-side kit, including pylon thingy, jumper cables, flares, thermal blanket (like tinfoil), non-perishable food bars; winter gloves; blanket; shammy; paper towels; snow brush; extra tub of washer fluid. One other thing that I find is SUPER useful is a couple flat, wide, wood shims. I use these to spread out the weight of the jack if I ever need to change a tire on soft ground (you never know where you'll end up when you get a flat). I know that sounds like a lot of stuff, but it all fits neatly in a little holder that tucks in behind my back seats.

I forgot to mention my small tool kit, but I'm thinking alhope34's tow cable is a good idea...might incorporate that too.

[horto]

Do you have a shiny new 2010 MS3?
Do you think it's fast?
Do you want it to be faster?
Do you want the power to come on smoother?
Do you think you need a metric shit-ton of bolt-ons to keep up with an STI? (hehe ok well maybe)
Do you want to be cool like the rest of us?

2010 MAZDASPEED3 AccessPORT power output comparison (http://tinyurl.com/34waynu) of stock vs. a Stage1 test map.

http://accessecu.com/dyno/graph.php?gb=0&hp=1&torque=1&rpm=1&sl=1&sln=1&runid1=1393&rgb1=000000255&runid2=1394&rgb2=204000000

Oh yeah, and for everyone else... v1.08 maps are out! [clicky here] (http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/2010/12/15/new-mazdaspeed36-accessport-updates/)

:headbang

[Fobio]

Don't forget an emergency/survival candle and some sort of tin cup in case you get stuck in a blizzard on the 402 for 24 hours :)

something about a candle...

one of the older guys at work says a candle is good enough to keep the car cabin from freezing...will definitely add a few of them to the kit...

and yeah horto...stop trying to indoctorinate ppl...some ppl don't want a fast car and only got the MS3 cuz it's a good deal for going from A to B...right?...lol...

[horto]

and yeah horto...stop trying to indoctorinate ppl...some ppl don't want a fast car and only got the MS3 cuz it's a good deal for going from A to B...right?...lol...

:chuckle

c'mon ... convincing them to buy an MS3 over a vanilla mazda 3 was only the beginning!!!

[chrismelito]

I'm not sure if it was something in the air, or the fact that I'm maybe driving faster today, but everyone on the road today seemed to be completely bereft of driving skill. They weren't just slow, they seemed to not be able to pay attention, or keep their car in the lanes. Did anyone else experience this today (Saturday afternoon), or was it just me? I was on the 401 west from Pickering to Etobicoke, on Bloor St near between Islington and Ossington, and on the entire Gardner and DVP. There was no more traffic than there usually is on Saturday afternoon, and the weather was fine. Thoughts?

[PR3Y11]

lol, you're not the only one, 2 cars today when i was driving home on the dvp seemed like they were drunk drivers, an suv almost scraped me, had to break to let it cut in front and then i was stuck behind a corolla (of course) that was drivng btween two lanes, was scared to try and pass without a full lane between us -_-"
my guess is...holidays starting early and people are becoming more careless??? .....that doesn't really make any sense but meh

[Kinn]

I think everyone is busy with shopping and getting stuff ready for the holidays. Means they are that much more focused on what they are going to do when they arrive and that much less on what they are doing getting there.

[fywdyl]

How do you guys keep up with detailing in the winter time? I haven't washed my car since the first snowfall and my car is FILTHY. Do you guys still hand wash in the winter or do you take it to a touchless? Would a touchless mess up a clear bra?

[stillmatic]

How do you guys keep up with detailing in the winter time? I haven't washed my car since the first snowfall and my car is FILTHY. Do you guys still hand wash in the winter or do you take it to a touchless? Would a touchless mess up a clear bra?

I take it to the coin op car wash. If the car is really dirty, I'll give it a full wash with soap, etc. But usually I just use the high pressure water to rinse off all the grime since it will probably get dirty on my way home.

[PR3Y11]

+1 on coin op

[fywdyl]

I take it to the coin op car wash. If the car is really dirty, I'll give it a full wash with soap, etc. But usually I just use the high pressure water to rinse off all the grime since it will probably get dirty on my way home.

Guess I can't be lazy then... ha ha.

[alhope34]

Hand wash weekly

[Kinn]

wash it weekly. Bring a bucket to a coin op and wash it there. It doesn't take to long and you can get a nice clean car.

[dj_adamix]

I've always been using 87 octane gas and one time decided to fill it up with 91 to see the difference. nothing noticiable, it actually felt like it had less pull to it and kindof delayed response... Im not sure why but i guess mz3 is timed for 87 not 91 so 91 just wont preform as good as 87. thats my guess..

[SSmoked]

if you guys are too lazy to wash your cars via toonie wash, buy a petro car wash pass. its 170$ and you get a car wash everyday for 90 days. i split one with my bro so its like 90 each.
not to mention all the old sunoco eco washes are now petro washes so the touchless car washess are a dime-a-dozen. the sunoco/new petro washes are the best imo.

[Elusivellama]

How do you guys keep up with detailing in the winter time? I haven't washed my car since the first snowfall and my car is FILTHY. Do you guys still hand wash in the winter or do you take it to a touchless? Would a touchless mess up a clear bra?

Properly applied, a clear bra will not be affected by touchless, the jets spray over it, but don't spray at it for any extended period of time. Same goes for the power wash at coin-op... spray at it, but don't spray for any longer than it needs to be.

[fywdyl]

Properly applied, a clear bra will not be affected by touchless, the jets spray over it, but don't spray at it for any extended period of time. Same goes for the power wash at coin-op... spray at it, but don't spray for any longer than it needs to be.

Awesome, thanks for the tip. Gonna give it a wash this weekend before I head out for vacation.

+1 on the Petro Pass, I bought that with a bunch of co-workers last year and I washed the car at least twice a week.

[Elusivellama]

A while back I was looking for a way to store my loose change, since the ashtray is gone.

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k342/sparky2388/spicecontainers.jpg

Little spice tins sold in CT for $1.99 each, made of metal with a clear plastic circular top and a magnetic circle glued to the bottom which you can peel off with no sticky residue. Fits perfectly in the centre console out of sight.

[PR3Y11]

so after some thought, i've decided i'm going to sell my mint condition oem 2010 ms3 rims with dunlop rubber has a little dirt on the rubber but probably warn less than 1% from factory, the winters were put on before i picked up the car. anyone care to make me an offer?
i'll be posting a thread in the trading section with pictures

[Elusivellama]

What rims are you thinking of getting?

[PR3Y11]

What rims are you thinking of getting?

Tenzo dc 6 v1 bronze or if I'm going to throw on some cf for the car then it'll be the gunmetal

[Elusivellama]

Moved to its own thread

[PR3Y11]

Heading to bur oak coin op in half an hour if anyones down I'll see u there

[Tokay444]

Popped in sure torq r3 rear motor mount yesterday. Took longer to get the car on the jack stands than to put it in. Extra vibration is minimal. Just a small tickle in the seat idle, and only a miniscule increase in noise. Shifting is definitely smoother, but the part is more for piece of mind than anything else.

[Fobio]

Popped in sure torq r3 rear motor mount yesterday. Took longer to get the car on the jack stands than to put it in. Extra vibration is minimal. Just a small tickle in the seat idle, and only a miniscule increase in noise. Shifting is definitely smoother, but the part is more for piece of mind than anything else.

welcome dude...you sound like you'll have fun at the track with us in 2011!

[Tokay444]

If I can find a way to afford track days, AND paintball, you just may see me. Otherwise it may have to wait till 2012. I think autoracing has always been my true calling, but I've been balling a while now and I'm committed to this season at the very least.

[Tokay444]

I've always been using 87 octane gas and one time decided to fill it up with 91 to see the difference. nothing noticiable, it actually felt like it had less pull to it and kindof delayed response... Im not sure why but i guess mz3 is timed for 87 not 91 so 91 just wont preform as good as 87. thats my guess..

Have fun when you melt your pistons from pre-ignition.

[alhope34]

Have fun when you melt your pistons from pre-ignition.


"Im not sure why but i guess mz3 is timed for 87 not 91 so 91 just wont preform as good as 87. thats my guess.."

[starscream]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPfxtJ8SQgk&feature=player_embedded#!

Thats all I have to say about that...I think that 'could' be Fobio on the track ;) ;) Jks...

NEMESIS!

[Tokay444]

Ah. How ignorant of me to assume that people in the ms3 random chat are chatting about the ms3. My bad.

[Elusivellama]

Actually I don't even see why he had posted in here... the posts went from 'clean my MS3' -> 'basic tools' -> 'reflash your ECU, save the whales!' -> 'clean my MS3 v2' -> 'hey i used 91 octane in my mz3' -> 'clean my MS3 v3' -> ??? -> profit

[PR3Y11]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPfxtJ8SQgk&feature=player_embedded#!

Thats all I have to say about that...I think that 'could' be Fobio on the track ;) ;) Jks...

NEMESIS!
Haha that is too funny

[Elusivellama]

Question, for the 2010 MS3.. do you guys ever feel a slight 'notch' on the clutch as you press it down about halfway? Like, if you depress the clutch all the way in, it is smooth but you notice that little bit of notchiness about halfway, almost like the spring is compressing or something. Should I even be feeling this when I step on the clutch?

[starscream]

Question, for the 2010 MS3.. do you guys ever feel a slight 'notch' on the clutch as you press it down about halfway? Like, if you depress the clutch all the way in, it is smooth but you notice that little bit of notchiness about halfway, almost like the spring is compressing or something. Should I even be feeling this when I step on the clutch?

Could be you feeling the engagement point?

[Elusivellama]

Could be you feeling the engagement point?

That was one of my guesses, but is it supposed to be even felt? Does anybody else feel the same thing on their clutch? Basically looking to make sure that it's normal...

[alhope34]

Normal for me.

[Tokay444]

Most hydraulic clutches are devoid of all tactile response. I like that I know right where the engagement point is. I drive an 07.

[SSmoked]

since this thread seems active. just wondering what kinda of summer/street tires you ms3 boys are running. my ss and the ms3s have simular numbers so getting the torque down requires nice tires. if your tuned that would help too as ill be tuned come april.
soo far looks like ill be running 235/40/18 BFG KDW2. reasonible priced, grippy, good wet/dry traction, comfrotable ride. but apperently loud. the noise wont bother me i have a radio.
opinions?

[MajesticBlueNTO]

since this thread seems active. just wondering what kinda of summer/street tires you ms3 boys are running. my ss and the ms3s have simular numbers so getting the torque down requires nice tires. if your tuned that would help too as ill be tuned come april.
soo far looks like ill be running 235/40/18 BFG KDW2. reasonible priced, grippy, good wet/dry traction, comfrotable ride. but apperently loud. the noise wont bother me i have a radio.
opinions?

Hankook V12s...best bang for your summer tire buck. grippy, excellent wet/dry traction, comfortable ride and quiet :)

it all depends what you want to do with the car in the summer...if you plan to track it, are you gonna get a separate set of R-compounds? The V12 may not like you after a few hard track sessions....don't know much about the KDW2 in that regard.

There are a number of MS3 owners in various states of tune and setup running the V12s.

[alhope34]

I use 235/40r18 falken 912's. I wish I had gotten the 615's, though the 912's seem to have a longer life. People on here seem to really like the Hankook V12 tires, so next time I need a set I think that's what I'll be getting. There's no reason to get a brand like BFG or goodyear, etc. They jack their prices up because of their name. Often times with companies like Hankook or Falken you can get better tires for much less.

[horto]

I'm also shopping for new sticky summers (and rims!). My top two contenders are the Hankook V12's vs Bridgestone Potenzas (RE050's or similar). Thoughts? I'm cheap so leaning towards the Hankook's :) How are they for treadwear though?

EDIT: I plan to track a 1-3 times this season but I wasn't planning on getting a separate set of R-compounds.



Hankook V12s...best bang for your summer tire buck. grippy, excellent wet/dry traction, comfortable ride and quiet :)

it all depends what you want to do with the car in the summer...if you plan to track it, are you gonna get a separate set of R-compounds? The V12 may not like you after a few hard track sessions....don't know much about the KDW2 in that regard.

There are a number of MS3 owners in various states of tune and setup running the V12s.

[alhope34]

The stock MS3 tires are the RE050's. After maybe 6-7000 km mine were 1/2 gone. I kept having to rotate them because they wore out so fast. I sold them on my stock MS3 rims. I will never have those tires again and I really hope you don't either. They didn't even grip that much. Not compared to my 235/40 Falken 912's anyway, and the Falkens last a hell of a lot longer.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Hankook V12s...best bang for your summer tire buck. grippy, excellent wet/dry traction, comfortable ride and quiet :)

it all depends what you want to do with the car in the summer...if you plan to track it, are you gonna get a separate set of R-compounds? The V12 may not like you after a few hard track sessions....don't know much about the KDW2 in that regard.

There are a number of MS3 owners in various states of tune and setup running the V12s.

+1 on the V12's. Best all-round bang for the buck.

If you plan on doing some auto-cross or semi-regular tracking, then maybe consider an R compound or the Dunlop Direzza Star Specs. I wouldn't recommend the Star Specs for the street though as they are loud, ride towards the harsh side , they wear quickly and are not very good in a heavy rain. They are great in the dry though and for occasional track use.

[SSmoked]

Hankook V12s...best bang for your summer tire buck. grippy, excellent wet/dry traction, comfortable ride and quiet :)

it all depends what you want to do with the car in the summer...if you plan to track it, are you gonna get a separate set of R-compounds? The V12 may not like you after a few hard track sessions....don't know much about the KDW2 in that regard.

There are a number of MS3 owners in various states of tune and setup running the V12s.

your not the first to suggest those to me. they have good specs too much simular the the KDW2s. close to the same price too.
i dont go racing often, and if so its the 1/4mile. i went about 6 times last year on my stock bald sportcompact 2's.
mostlys i need tires that will hold the torque, which should be around 320.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=g-Force+T%2FA+KDW+2&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=34YR7GFTAKDW2XL&tab=Specs
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo+K110&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=34YR8K110XL&tab=Sizes

if we could get a group buy through allen@simply tire for summer tires that would be cool.

r-comps is hard for me. finding a set of wide 17' rims that clear the front calipers is next to impossible with my stupid bolt pattern. not to mention i rarely if if ever autocross/road race.

[horto]

My 07 came with Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S all seasons. Mods have quickly overwhelmed their grip.

I will buy the V12's. Sounds like we need to talk to Allen about a group buy!!! (I pm'd him with reference to this thread)


The stock MS3 tires are the RE050's. After maybe 6-7000 km mine were 1/2 gone. I kept having to rotate them because they wore out so fast. I sold them on my stock MS3 rims. I will never have those tires again and I really hope you don't either. They didn't even grip that much. Not compared to my 235/40 Falken 912's anyway, and the Falkens last a hell of a lot longer.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

The stock MS3 tires are the RE050's. After maybe 6-7000 km mine were 1/2 gone. I kept having to rotate them because they wore out so fast. I sold them on my stock MS3 rims. I will never have those tires again and I really hope you don't either. They didn't even grip that much. Not compared to my 235/40 Falken 912's anyway, and the Falkens last a hell of a lot longer.

Al, when I had 912's on my MS3 (they came almost new with the rims I bought from a member) they were decent enough, but I found the MS3 would overwhelm them pretty easily. They were good at putting power down in a straight line, but they just didn't have the level of grip i wanted or needed to put power down in turns. You need to be really careful on the throttle and feather it at times or the tires would simply slide. They are very good at providing you feedback when their limits are about to be exceeded though. I was running 225/40/R18's, so your tire size is wider and you would have more grip, but this isn't really a tire I would recommend on a high powered FWD car if you are going to track at all, or push the car hard where corners are involved. Don't get me wrong, I think the Falken 912 is a fantastic tire at its price point and is absolutely terrific on a regular Mazda3, but the MS3 needs more tire than the 912 can give it performance wise.

I'm in for a GB on the V12's if we arrange one.

[SSmoked]

im in for the evo v12's aswell.

nice little tire comp buy car n driver. evos place 2nd next to the dunlop star specs like zoom zoom suggested.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q2/tire_test_nine_affordable_summer_tires_take_on_the _michelin_ps2-comparison_tests/hankook_ventus_v12_evo_page_10

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I'm also shopping for new sticky summers (and rims!). My top two contenders are the Hankook V12's vs Bridgestone Potenzas (RE050's or similar). Thoughts? I'm cheap so leaning towards the Hankook's :) How are they for treadwear though?

EDIT: I plan to track a 1-3 times this season but I wasn't planning on getting a separate set of R-compounds.

The V12s should hold up nicely for 1-3 track days...however, if you get bitten by the track bug, you'll be wanting a set of R-compounds (get them used, they're pretty cheap - i.e. <200 for a set) as the V12s just don't have the grip R-compounds do.

[Fobio]

The V12s should hold up nicely for 1-3 track days...however, if you get bitten by the track bug, you'll be wanting a set of R-compounds (get them used, they're pretty cheap - i.e. <200 for a set) as the V12s just don't have the grip R-compounds do.

NOOOO!!!!...lol...the V12's will not hold up to even 1 track day...

I did 3 autox runs with them, they were in well taken cared of condition, just normal wear...then after 3 light runs (I wasn't even timed), I could see the corners or the tread blocks shredding a bit...definitely more wear than I had expected.

I *MIGHT* run them in the wet if I needed a rain tire at the track, but I'd not rely on them to last 3 hot laps in the summer...just a waste, if you do.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

there's also Bailey Tire (http://www.buffalonytires.com/Canadian_Customers.html) to consider if you're willing to take a road trip south. He was $200-300 cheaper than local last year.

John at Exclusive also has some good pricing.

another tire to consider, if you got the $$$ and want a dual street/track tire...Yokohama AD08. close to R-compound grip, street tire rain traction and longevity.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

NOOOO!!!!...lol...the V12's will not hold up to even 1 track day...

I did 3 autox runs with them, they were in well taken cared of condition, just normal wear...then after 3 light runs (I wasn't even timed), I could see the corners or the tread blocks shredding a bit...definitely more wear than I had expected.

I *MIGHT* run them in the wet if I needed a rain tire at the track, but I'd not rely on them to last 3 hot laps in the summer...just a waste, if you do.

LOL, i should say "hold up nicely for 1-3 laps..." then :)

i only ran them in the wet at the DDT and for a few "dry" laps and, comparing to what the car can do with r-comp level grip, i wasn't pushing the V12s as hard in the "dry".

[alhope34]

Al, when I had 912's on my MS3 (they came almost new with the rims I bought from a member) they were decent enough, but I found the MS3 would overwhelm them pretty easily. They were good at putting power down in a straight line, but they just didn't have the level of grip i wanted or needed to put power down in turns. You need to be really careful on the throttle and feather it at times or the tires would simply slide. They are very good at providing you feedback when their limits are about to be exceeded though. I was running 225/40/R18's, so your tire size is wider and you would have more grip, but this isn't really a tire I would recommend on a high powered FWD car if you are going to track at all, or push the car hard where corners are involved. Don't get me wrong, I think the Falken 912 is a fantastic tire at its price point and is absolutely terrific on a regular Mazda3, but the MS3 needs more tire than the 912 can give it performance wise. I wouldn't suggest the 912's for the MS3 unless you're a more calm driver, I was just saying I had them and the 235/40 912's handled better than my 215/45 stock Potenza RE050's.

I'm in for a GB on the V12's if we arrange one.

You are absolutely right, which is why I wished I had gotten the 615's. At the time my new rims and tires all went on my Visa, and the extra $80 for the 615's didn't seem necessary for me. I do a lot of boring straight highway driving between Montreal and Toronto so the 912's were perfectly fine for that, and has a better treadwear rating than the 615's. After a few fun runs up north I wish I had gotten the 615's and sucked up the extra $80 plus however much it would work out to for the tires to wear out much earlier.

[starscream]

Dont bother with RT-615's, just get the Toyo tire discount and get R888. Much better tire and long compound wear. I have heard the same thing from a few racers (some ones that ran Chump Car too).

I am planning on running R888 on the track car...oopz, let the cat outta the bag ;)

[allen@simplytire.com]

You guys should also look into the Bridgestone RE760 Sport. Better in wet/dry than the Ventus, and is asymetric, so you can rotate however you want...

Last year, they were around $740.00 installed for the 215-45-18 tires, which makes it a bargain for a Japanese tire. The added bonus of this tire is that they are sexy as hell.

[horto]

You guys should also look into the Bridgestone RE760 Sport. Better in wet/dry than the Ventus, and is asymetric, so you can rotate however you want...

Last year, they were around $740.00 installed for the 215-45-18 tires, which makes it a bargain for a Japanese tire. The added bonus of this tire is that they are sexy as hell.

whoops, these are actually the tires I meant instead of the Bridgestone RE050's. Hmm... how's the treadware on these compared to the RE050's? (or V12's)

[starscream]

You guys should also look into the Bridgestone RE760 Sport. Better in wet/dry than the Ventus, and is asymetric, so you can rotate however you want...


Not to sound like bump on a log, but how/where are they better in wet/dry then the V12's?

RE760 Sport Review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q2/tire_test_nine_affordable_summer_tires_take_on_the _michelin_ps2-comparison_tests/bridgestone_potenza_re760_sport_page_8

Hankook Ventus Evo V12
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q2/tire_test_nine_affordable_summer_tires_take_on_the _michelin_ps2-comparison_tests/hankook_ventus_v12_evo_page_10

It was a good comparison, which had the V12's come out 2nd overall. The RE760 were below average in the wet, and had mediocre performance. However they were a more 'comfortable' tire.
Most if not all comparisons I have seen were pretty similar in the ratings between the two tires, as in the V12's were a good tire and awesome price point. So I am curious to see how they were rated higher.

[allen@simplytire.com]

I'm aware that the reviews show them as being mediocre in wet, but that is really not the case. A lot of those reviews were written by guys with 275-30-19 in the rear and considered them slippery, and that's because in a wide size like that, asymetric tires are slippery.

All I can give you is real world experience. I've done over 200+ Mazda 3's with 205-55-16, 205-50-17, 225-40-18, 235-40-18, and 215-45-18 Bridgestone RE760's.... and I can tell you that each and every one of those owners loved them in the wet... but the few 5 and 3 series with the wider rears, did complain about "shifty" rear ends.

[starscream]

I'm aware that the reviews show them as being mediocre in wet, but that is really not the case. A lot of those reviews were written by guys with 275-30-19 in the rear and considered them slippery, and that's because in a wide size like that, asymetric tires are slippery.

Hrm interesting. That review by Car and Driver used 225/45R-17 as their benckmark size.

However overall if anyone went with either tire I think they would be happy, both tires are good. Better then getting that LingLong brand LOL.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I'm aware that the reviews show them as being mediocre in wet, but that is really not the case. A lot of those reviews were written by guys with 275-30-19 in the rear and considered them slippery, and that's because in a wide size like that, asymetric tires are slippery.

All I can give you is real world experience. I've done over 200+ Mazda 3's with 205-55-16, 205-50-17, 225-40-18, 235-40-18, and 215-45-18 Bridgestone RE760's.... and I can tell you that each and every one of those owners loved them in the wet... but the few 5 and 3 series with the wider rears, did complain about "shifty" rear ends.

another thing to remember is that a lot of the Mazda 3 owners were most likely replacing sh1tty OEM tires so a wet review would be subjective.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

the car and driver article has links to test numbers for both wet and dry in the "Downloads" section:

Skidpad Force: Wet and Dry (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/6a749e8ab7541b47b87d47fa4477cd02.pdf)

Braking Distance: Wet (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/3cbfd12148fbdde827bd86ecd0eaf943.pdf)

Braking Distance: Dry (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/91c41db993505896da496866f4a3c932.pdf)

Autocross Time: Wet (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/c44fd0d66a84de8786445cdb6d08bbf2.pdf)

Autocross Time: Dry (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/66969af538c4f7c233fc6814a5f2ed7d.pdf)

in case the PDF links ever change:

Skidpad Force: Wet and Dry
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/7164/skidpaddrywet.jpg

Braking Distance: Wet
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6918/brakingwet.jpg

Braking Distance: Dry
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9486/brakingdry.jpg

Autocross Time: Wet
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8703/autoxwet.jpg

Autocross Time: Dry
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2219/autoxdry.jpg

[starscream]

the car and driver article has links to test numbers for both wet and dry in the "Downloads" section:

Skidpad Force: Wet and Dry (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/6a749e8ab7541b47b87d47fa4477cd02.pdf)

Braking Distance: Wet (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/3cbfd12148fbdde827bd86ecd0eaf943.pdf)

Braking Distance: Dry (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/91c41db993505896da496866f4a3c932.pdf)

Autocross Time: Wet (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/c44fd0d66a84de8786445cdb6d08bbf2.pdf)

Autocross Time: Dry (http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/66969af538c4f7c233fc6814a5f2ed7d.pdf)

NICE! Was looking for those!

[SSmoked]

found this very interesting. hankook evo v12 vs Bridgestone RE760 Sport
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/07/hankook-aims-to-play-with-the-big-kids-in-the-tire-market/

[Tokay444]

Wouldn't asymmetric mean you could only rotate them from from to rear and only on the same side of the vehicle and only roll in one direction?

[allen@simplytire.com]

found this very interesting. hankook evo v12 vs Bridgestone RE760 Sport
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/07/hankook-aims-to-play-with-the-big-kids-in-the-tire-market/

Awesome article... and that is the perfect car to test it on too !!!


Wouldn't asymmetric mean you could only rotate them from from to rear and only on the same side of the vehicle and only roll in one direction?

Asymetric tires are mounted with "inside", "outside" labelling... so you could rotate them anyway you like. Directional tires are the ones that are stuck on one side of the vehicle..

[allen@simplytire.com]

Totally agreed that a Ventus Evo will outperform a RE760 on the track, but not as a daily driver....

It also mentions the Hankook to have a very stiff sidwall in one of those links, and I disagree, but again it could be size specific.

[Tokay444]

Ah ok.

[Tokay444]

But symmetrical directional tire could be put on any wheel provided it's always rolling in the proper direction. But I suppose that would require remounting and balancing.

[SSmoked]

But symmetrical directional tire could be put on any wheel provided it's always rolling in the proper direction. But I suppose that would require remounting and balancing.
just buy the tires and the shop will take car of the rest. lol.
go with allen hes got the best service and staff.

ill be going to visiting simply tire some time early march to get my summer tires installed before i get my tune done.
seems like the evo v12's are the best for me. 235/40/18 should get me the traction i need, hopefully they dont rub(doubt it tho).
im still down for a group buy...

[Tokay444]

I'm down for a group buy also.
Stock size (2007)

[allen@simplytire.com]

But symmetrical directional tire could be put on any wheel provided it's always rolling in the proper direction. But I suppose that would require remounting and balancing.

Yes I allways encourage a flip every year to optimize treadlife.


just buy the tires and the shop will take car of the rest. lol.
go with allen hes got the best service and staff.

ill be going to visiting simply tire some time early march to get my summer tires installed before i get my tune done.
seems like the evo v12's are the best for me. 235/40/18 should get me the traction i need, hopefully they dont rub(doubt it tho).
im still down for a group buy...

I'm allways down for a GB... but for summer its easier for me to just give you guys a sick deal all across the board. :)

[Tokay444]

I'm new to the forum, and the ms3 world all together. Been a high revving Honda guy since I rolled my 02 protégé5 in December 01. I like the torque, but miss the revs. My last 92 db2 made 230bhp at 9500rpm. The ms3 also weighs about twice as much as that car did, and isn't nearly as easy for me to back into parking spots(yet). But I love it.
On to my point about being new. Allen, where are you located?
Does anyone know if the rear centre Mazda badge is pronged of just double sided taped onto the trunk lid? I want to go a little sleeper and remove all my emblems, but only if it doesn't require any body work. I have a really nice legit carbon emblem the is essentially the reverse of the mazda badge(fills the voids in the emblem) but it only looks good if the badge is removed.

[alhope34]

Yes, there are two holes in the hatch where the centre Mazda logo goes. I covered my holes with a flameboy vinyl. =)

[Tokay444]

D'oh! Guess I just have a really cool carbon fibre stick to slap somewhere else. I was thinking I'd relocate the mazdaspeed3 badge to the faux teak strip above the glove box. Hopefully that doesn't loom too tacky.

[allen@simplytire.com]

Allen, where are you located?


515 Champagne Drive. 1 light west of Dufferin off of Finch.

[Tokay444]

Allen, looking at your caliper painting thread and liming what I see, the stock 2007 ms3 wheels in gun metal great. Who does that, do you know? And would you know how much?

[allen@simplytire.com]

Allen, looking at your caliper painting thread and liming what I see, the stock 2007 ms3 wheels in gun metal great. Who does that, do you know? And would you know how much?

He is a sponsor on TM3 "Quy's Coating"... great guy to deal with. 905-840-6040

[SKYMP3]

I got my set of 225/40/18 RE760S from Simply this April, been my daily drive tires and went to track once. I think is a very good tires for the money. OF course there is better tires out there if you want to spend more.

[Tokay444]

Did you put them on stock wheels?

[SKYMP3]

Did you put them on stock wheels?

Yes

[SSmoked]

^^ nice sig pic, wish i took that picture...

[McGuyver_3]

I'm aware that the reviews show them as being mediocre in wet, but that is really not the case. A lot of those reviews were written by guys with 275-30-19 in the rear and considered them slippery, and that's because in a wide size like that, asymetric tires are slippery.

All I can give you is real world experience. I've done over 200+ Mazda 3's with 205-55-16, 205-50-17, 225-40-18, 235-40-18, and 215-45-18 Bridgestone RE760's.... and I can tell you that each and every one of those owners loved them in the wet... but the few 5 and 3 series with the wider rears, did complain about "shifty" rear ends.

Michelin Pilot sports ps2 FTW
Or
Bridgestone RE-11s- just dont drive these in rain lol

[Fobio]

Love this thread!

[Fobio]

and on to other news...mazdaspeedforums.org just kicked 8thgencivic.com's ass on Forum Wars...the boys down south are itching to take on a Cobalt SS next...

it was done with a Gen1 MS3...

Sticky: [NSFW] MSF vs 8thGen - FW - Forzda vs the World & Beyond (http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f280/mazdaspeed-forums-vs-8thgen-fw-forzda-vs-world-beyond-67927/index54.html)

prolly VIP only thread tho.

[horto]

and on to other news...mazdaspeedforums.org just kicked 8thgencivic.com's ass on Forum Wars...the boys down south are itching to take on a Cobalt SS next...

it was done with a Gen1 MS3...

Sticky: [NSFW] MSF vs 8thGen - FW - Forzda vs the World & Beyond (http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f280/mazdaspeed-forums-vs-8thgen-fw-forzda-vs-world-beyond-67927/index54.html)

prolly VIP only thread tho.

it gets good halfway down here (http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f510/mazdaspeed-forums-vs-8thgen-fw-forzda-vs-world-beyond-67927/index46.html)

[horto]

also, it's the new year, we need a meet. fobio! hook that shit up!

[Fobio]

the public thread is out on MSF.org:

Forum Wars - Mazdaspeed Forum vs 8thcivcs.com - FYHN (http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f44/forum-wars-mazdaspeed-forum-vs-8thcivcs-com-fyhn-69112/)


also, it's the new year, we need a meet. fobio! hook that shit up!

Roger that!

[Elusivellama]

lol@pre-race video :D

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Too funny. Only on MSF...

[hilzen]

also, it's the new year, we need a meet. fobio! hook that shit up!

i agree with horto, we need a meet!

[abstrakt]

i agree with horto, we need a meet!

most deffinatly!

[starscream]

Looks like I finalized the MS3 as the DD only vehicle and ended up getting a Track specific car. Sadly mods on the MS3 will probably stop :( But HELLO TRACKY! lol

[horto]

Looks like I finalized the MS3 as the DD only vehicle and ended up getting a Track specific car. Sadly mods on the MS3 will probably stop :( But HELLO TRACKY! lol

quit being so elusive and spill the beans, son

ALL OF THEM

[starscream]

quit being so elusive and spill the beans, son

ALL OF THEM

LOL, dont wanna muckup the MS3 chat thread...thats why I was being so elusive ;)

However I ended up picking up a 1995 E36 BMW 325is.

So MS3 stays DD and I am not worried as much about wear and tear, breaking shit, and replacing stuff....

~500-600 bucks on a MS3 brake job (pads/rotors) where as on the E36 its ~200-300. So thats just 1 thing, I know...but much cheaper I think and also I dont have to do the "OMFG must fix for work on monday" dealio.

http://www.laleetsgarage.com/pics/photos/E36-GreenMachine/TrackCARJan20110001.jpg

[Mazda3X2]

^^ Nice!

[abstrakt]

i need a DD:( lol i think this is gonna be the only winter my ms3 is gonna see

[Tokay444]

Mine is inside keeping warm under it's blanket. Accumulating parts to be put on in the spring. How may people actually have had problems with the AP like they joke about in the cartoon fail videos? And I've also noticed, while aftermarket support is pretty good for our car, there aren't many big name manufacturers doing anything for us. Everyone seems to be a fly by night type company.
Anyone in here thrown a rod while idling or otherwise? Might invest in some high quality rods and pistons this winter for safe measure. That and I want some of my old GS-R revs back.

[horto]

LOL, dont wanna muckup the MS3 chat thread...thats why I was being so elusive ;)

However I ended up picking up a 1995 E36 BMW 325is.


"the green hornet"

WE MUST DRIFT IT

i'll help you film the videos http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/images/smilies/chuckles.gif

[Fobio]

Congrats starscream! I guess at the end of the day, you're still rocking a "3" at the track! =)

In terms of a meet...what do you guys have in mind? We can always rely on the good graces of Quy, but I was wondering if you guys maybe just want to go meet somewhere, like a bar? Dave and Buster's?

[Tokay444]

Let's do some go-karting at formula kartways or something.

[Elusivellama]

More random stuff... specifically MS3 related, when was your 'break in point' when you started seeing noticeably better fuel economy? Not that I care that much about my own economy during break-in period, and I'm fully aware of why my fuel economy sucks right now (winter, winter tires, 4km trips each way work/home in 100% city driving, engine still breaking in).

Actually... why DO new engines get relatively poor mileage until they're 'broken in'? I don't really understand the mechanical reasons why... is it because the cylinder walls have not been smoothed out until after a little while?

[-cj-]

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but I don't think you'll see better mileage lol. The official break in period is over at 20,000km. I'm LUCKY to see 400 km to a low fuel light (380-390 average, 55-60% highway). And to be honest, I've rarely driven the car hard in months... (Mostly because my LTFT's were all over the board, been trying to avoid getting on it). Then again, I hear fuel mileage gets horrible with an after market fuel pump, so maybe this doesn't apply to your car...

PS: "Stock" I got 465 out of a tank with 60% highway driving, completely down to empty.... COMPLETELY... lol

[Tokay444]

He knows where empty is.

[alhope34]

10.4L per 100km average is really, really good for this time of year for only a 4km commute all city. I do lots and lots of highway driving with the cruise control on and as you can see my average is only 10.2L. You'll probably see a decrease in mileage as the car ages, due to an increasingly heavy foot and any mods you put on the car. More power = more fuel burnt. Don't kid yourself, if you get an intake and/or exhaust you will use that extra power and thus extra fuel. No one buys an MS3 and puts on expensive parts to get 0.1L better average by never hitting boost anywhere.

[horto]

I'm LUCKY to see 400 km to a low fuel light (380-390 average, 55-60% highway). And to be honest, I've rarely driven the car hard in months...

PS: "Stock" I got 465 out of a tank with 60% highway driving, completely down to empty.... COMPLETELY... lol

+1

mods are worth it tho. :D

[Elusivellama]

Lol my fully rating is mostly highway like yours, I had been doing a ton of highway driving since getting the car. City average appears to be 12 - 13/100 km, with that 4km one way 100% city driving I was talking about (based on my last fill up). It is actually quite close to the mileage of my old 07 Mazda 3, not surprising since both are 2.3L engines and I try to keep out of boost until it's warmed up.

[Elusivellama]

Yeah for mods, at least an SRI, possibly Cobb or CorkSport, or Simota to lean out the A/F mixture a bit. Just smelled the oil on my dipstick, fresh oilchange last week...I can smell a bit of fuel in there thanks to DI fuel dilution.

[alhope34]

That's still really good for city. I seem to usually get anywhere from 13.5-15L per 100 km all city. This is with only the Fujita CAI and the CPe FMIC.

[-cj-]

I should input all my gas mileage information into fuelly and see where I'm sitting at. I collected it for 10 fuel ups but then gave up because it made me want to cry...

Oh, yeah, I'm now in the market for struts or coilovers... Wife gave me the nod of approval yesterday! So now I need to do some research....

[chrismelito]

I'm currently sitting at 10.4, almost all of it highway driving because of the crazy trips I did around the holidays. I have zero mods so far, and I'm probably closer to 525km per tank. For you guys running first gen MS3, your tank is 55L, no? The 2010 is 60L, so I think that sort of helps a bit with spreading out the fill-ups.

Alas, when we finally guy our own house/hobby farm, and have a garage, the MS3 will be a summer only car. The mods will then go on, and we'll have some real fun. I will also get to search for an older 4-dr 4x4 pickup truck with a plow blade. Sweet.

[horto]

Just smelled the oil on my dipstick, fresh oilchange last week...I can smell a bit of fuel in there thanks to DI fuel dilution.

but how did it taste??

[Elusivellama]

Light hint of floral scents reminiscent of lavender and rose, with a raspberry aftertaste and chocolate overtones

[Elusivellama]

My CPE RMM came in after having its bushing replaced (apparently CPE had a bad batch of bushings and this one was one of them). I originally had the 60 durometer (stamped 65a on the bushing), which cracked. The new bushing says 75a. Blessing in disguise, or just the type of durometer that a MS3 needs?

[horto]

In terms of a meet...what do you guys have in mind? We can always rely on the good graces of Quy, but I was wondering if you guys maybe just want to go meet somewhere, like a bar? Dave and Buster's?

- leaside tim hortons/sbux park + coffee + talk shop (cuz i haven't done that since we all lined up our shitty cars in highschool)
- duff's wings ... mmm
- quy's (heated garage = WIN)
- cruise / winter photoshoot
- crash the tm3 AYCE sushi meet and scare them with our bov's

:OT

i miss you guys :P

[horto]

Oh, yeah, I'm now in the market for struts or coilovers... Wife gave me the nod of approval yesterday! So now I need to do some research....

i'm curious to see the end result of whatever mad scientist shit you're cooking up...

[Fobio]

Teambuy $28 for all you can drive @ GP Kartway (Downsview Airport)

Expires Apr 30...you guys interested?

http://www.teambuy.ca/

No, this is not a link to MAKE ME $. it's the general link...

[alhope34]

I'm down for that.

[Tokay444]

I would also be down. The owner of the outdoor paintball field there, also owns my team, so if you guys decide that in the summer you'd like to do something like that, I could hook it up.

[horto]

I'd be in for that too.

As for paintball, I prefer airsoft. Lest kidiots. But that's a whole other conversation.

[Fobio]

Today's is last day to get the vouchers. I'll likely get a couple. Then we will do another roll call and setup a time.

[Elusivellama]

I'd be in for that too.

As for paintball, I prefer airsoft. Lest kidiots. But that's a whole other conversation.

I play Natural Selection (half-life mod)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6M83zhj7hc

That's me with the honking big heavy machinegun. 32 player server. It's amazing how fun this game still is, years upon years after its release.

ok back to the paintball/airsoft :D

[starscream]

So we doing the voucher thing for sure for sure?

[alhope34]

I just bought a pass for me and a pass for my friend. Whether you guys go or not, that's a great deal so I'll be going. Is that ticket a one use thing, or is it for unlimited days until the 30th of April?

[horto]

Is that ticket a one use thing, or is it for unlimited days until the 30th of April?

yeah, +1

[horto]

meh, purchased anyway. thanks!

[alhope34]

Well, my buddy and I got our tickets. Who else got them??

[horto]

Go Cart pass holders

1. Al +1
2. horto +2
3.
4.
5.

First go cart outing ... this weekend???
Date 1:
Date 2:
Date 3:

[alhope34]

Did you find out if it was one use or not??

[horto]

Did you find out if it was one use or not??

nope. suppose one of us could get off our asses and call them though?

[alhope34]

I got out of my way not to call places or people. :P

[Fobio]

First of all...I had no idea that yous are all eternal optimists...haha...

How the heck yous figure it's a multi-pass?! One day of unlimited racing at GP Kartway used to be like $55 or something...it's now $63, so $28 for ONE DAY UNLIMITED IS THE DEAL!

I'm expecting some of you to come on and say that your MS3 can get 5L/100Km from now on...lol...


Go Cart pass holders

1. Al +1
2. horto +2
3.
4.
5.

First go cart outing ... this weekend???
Date 1:
Date 2:
Date 3:

Let me get the other thread opened once more and we'll go from there...

[alhope34]

Lol, I have no idea how much that crap costs or how it works. I went gokarting once when I was maybe 12, and I didn't pay for it at that time.

[horto]

First of all...I had no idea that yous are all eternal optimists...haha...

How the heck yous figure it's a multi-pass?! One day of unlimited racing at GP Kartway used to be like $55 or something...it's now $63, so $28 for ONE DAY UNLIMITED IS THE DEAL!

I'm expecting some of you to come on and say that your MS3 can get 5L/100Km from now on...lol...


I figure with all the crap I had to go through to register on that site, buy the deal, and get 100439123409 emails from them, it had better be super-awesome-multi-unlimited !

also, i just finished my awd drive conversion and dyno'd the car at 350hp! and i killed a modded evo x last night!

[Tokay444]

Vid or shens!

[Tokay444]

Re: Informal MS3 Chat
Hey guys. As all know, I'm new to this car, but not cars in general and not even tuning in general. I've read a lot about the car and have a laundry list of mods I'd like to perform. First one being OCCs for both crank case and valve cover. The I'll probably do the suspension. I've already got my mind set on koni sports for now, since I can always throw a set of quality springs and rear camber arms later. My question is, how safe is the generic AP stock map for the ms3? I don't have any intake or exhaust mods. I'd like to see a bit better gas mileage and don't NEED any more power just right now. I'm more concerned with making the car as reliable as possible. More so than it was from the factory even as I know they blow shocks and in some cases, rods through the block. So would the generic stock tune map on the AP be for me, or would I be better just to get a dashhawk for now and just monitor my vitals since I'm leaving the motor stock for a long time anyway? Sorry if this is the total wrong section. I'm not new to forums either, but this seems to be an active thread...
Thanks in advance

[horto]

In general, all of Cobb's off the shelf maps are safe. Not sure about better fuel mileage; perhaps a noticeable difference with Ultra 94 but for regular 91 I doubt it. The car will be faster - boost targets will be set marginally higher and the car will run a little more rich, and you'll be more tempted to get on it. All of those things might not help fuel mileage. But, according to a friend of mine that put an AP on her stock speed3, even without mods it's totally worth it.

[-cj-]

My first mod to the car was the AP...before intake or anything else. I hated the car's power band. So essentially you get a device capable of tuning your car, monitoring your car (like a dashhawk) and reseting engine codes. There are a ton of off the shelf maps for stock vehicles (In fact, the stock anti theft, fuel mileage, valet are ONLY meant for stock vehicles. Once you are running stage1+ you cannot use those maps).

Now that being said, nothing is as safe as the stock tune. I don't think it's the tune that kills our engine as much as it's the fuel pumps not being able to deliver... and you can still get that in stock form.

Knowing what I know TODAY about the MS3, especially if I owned an '07, I would swap out the fuel pump FIRST and then get an AP second...

[Tokay444]

Thanks guys.

[horto]

Knowing what I know TODAY about the MS3, especially if I owned an '07, I would swap out the fuel pump FIRST and then get an AP second...

Yeah, now if only I could actually FIND one.

[Fobio]

I'm in the typing mood...so... =)

When I got this car, I didn't want anymore power really...then I started stalling the car trying to drive it smooth in stop-and-go traffic...otherwise, it'd jerk like a mofo or "whoa" into the car in front. I was like dang, driving a auto G35 for 4 yrs made me lose my driving skills?!

then reading more about it on msf.org, then seeing phantom knock at cruising speed, I was like WTF?! there's something wrong about the car. It's nothing if you never monitored it. Blissful ignorance. I had a dashhawk for about 2 months while waiting for my AP...intake was already in. I've never driven a car, where I thought there's soemthing wrong with the car...you always just thought it's a new car, so get used to it.

Keep in mind throughout all this, I still had no need for more power...intake is just one of the things one HAS to do with a turbo car. Anyway...once the AP came in and I noticed the change in boost behaviour AND how that, amongst several things can be adjusted, I was hooked.

Indulge me for a moment...when I first got a Contour SE back in 1996, I literally took the car back and asked them to adjust the throttle or the gas pedal for me at the dealer...lol...looking back, they prolly thought I was some idiot, and I was. I took that "adjustability" for granted in this day and age.

Fast forward to now, and it can be done...at home, in my underwear, 2am in the morning...still without talking about power, I was able to completely remap my throttle response, remap my traction control and smooth out my boost response...imagine that!

so I guess the point to my rambling is this...the factory clibrations are adequate. if you bought a ms3 as a upgraded mz3 and all you expect is a little more oomph, then you'll prolly be pretty happy with the pkg, as I was...

but if you're an enthusiast, and actually sometimes turn off the radio to listen to what your car is doing, then you'll definitely appreciate what the ap can do.

[Tokay444]

I should add that I already have a sure RMM. I NEED this car to last a while and be safe and reliable for me, my wife and two young kids. The fuel pump internals are WAY too expensive for what they are. I could make them myself and sell them for less than a third of that cost( if someone has them and is willing to let me dimension them) I'm an aerospace machinist. My want for more power, which is only natural when you have red blood and a penis, is outweighed by my need for reliability. I bought the car to be practical, but still be something I wanted to drive and have fun driving.

[Fobio]

I should add that I already have a sure RMM. I NEED this car to last a while and be safe and reliable for me, my wife and two young kids. The fuel pump internals are WAY too expensive for what they are. I could make them myself and sell them for less than a third of that cost( if someone has them and is willing to let me dimension them) I'm an aerospace machinist. My want for more power, which is only natural when you have red blood and a penis, is outweighed by my need for reliability. I bought the car to be practical, but still be something I wanted to drive and have fun driving.

my theory about some of the blow-ups:

worn and faulty fuel pumps, not monitored (cuz really, not many of us had DI engines and blew due to low fuel pressure), blissful ignorance, then one event, likely low-rpm high boost, and FP couldn't keep up (usually below 1200psi by this point, regularly), extra lean condition with warped internals due to uneven heat distribution (due to faulty fuel pump), and BOOM.

not the reason for every blow-up, but it's my personal theory from my reading.

getting the AP will not solve this issue, but it'll make you a gauge reader, keeping one eye on the AP/Dash Hawk, and of course with 2 eyes on the road...lol...

keep an eye out on fuel pressure and Long Term Fuel Trim, as the start to keeping the car in line. there are several threads here, which you may wish to bump, about idling and WOT fuel pressures from others. check it out.

[Tokay444]

Thank you. All I've done since about a month before I even got the car was read read read.

[Tokay444]

So on your AP, what vital do you guys monitor the most while driving, since the AP only displays one from my understanding? Knock retard? AFR?

[Fobio]

So on your AP, what vital do you guys monitor the most while driving, since the AP only displays one from my understanding? Knock retard? AFR?

depends on what you're concerned with...once you're happy with one variable, then move on to the next...my priority suggestion for you is FP, then KR, and chk LTFT often. Once those are inline, then you know you're good to move forward.

[alhope34]

I usually just threw the AP on boost and left it there. I don't have the AP anymore, but knowing now what I didn't back then I would monitor other things a lot more. I did check out fuel pressure for a while when my car would fuel cut running stage 2+ on stock fuel pump. It would only cut when it was below 0c outside, but my fuel pressure never dropped below 1650 psi. Even though the stock FP was causing it to cut, it was always 1850-1650 psi. I really want to get an AP again but for me to get full benefit for it and for my own engine's safety I won't get it again without already having the internals. Even for the stage 1 maps. I have a CAI and a FMIC right now and I wouldn't add any more mods except for maybe an inlet without the FP internals.

[Tokay444]

Fuel pressure, knock retard and long term fuel trims? Do I have those right? I guess by monitoring fuel pressure, I should almost be able to predict my knock provided everything else is constant. That would also tell me if I have a health fuel pump or not, correct?

[Fobio]

Fuel pressure, knock retard and long term fuel trims? Do I have those right? I guess by monitoring fuel pressure, I should almost be able to predict my knock provided everything else is constant. That would also tell me if I have a health fuel pump or not, correct?

Right on!

[Tokay444]

So I grabbed a dashhawk for what I feel was a great price, so I can at least monitor my vitals while the car is still stock. I'll get an AP later and I'll have both, or I'll sell the dh.

[horto]

So I grabbed a dashhawk for what I feel was a great price, so I can at least monitor my vitals while the car is still stock. I'll get an AP later and I'll have both, or I'll sell the dh.

Right on! I ran just the AP exclusively for a long time, but now I dunno how I lived without my DH.

[Fobio]

So I grabbed a dashhawk for what I feel was a great price, so I can at least monitor my vitals while the car is still stock. I'll get an AP later and I'll have both, or I'll sell the dh.

take care of that DH...hit me up when you are done with it down the road. I may venture back into territories where I can use one again. =)

[SSmoked]

hey you guys should really look into investing in a Aeroforce Interceptor guage. It plugs into your obd2 port and reads pretty much everything you could want. Alot of the ss and srt4 guys run these in both single and duel set ups. They read 2 parameters at a time and you can switch between those parameters at any time. You could also set the built in led to flash when certian things are getting to a bad point, or as a shift light. Plus its only 225$.
http://www.aeroforcetech.com/products_interceptor.html

[Tokay444]

Coming out of the Honda tuning scene, I have had a great deal of success with these guys. Think I'm gonna pop and try them out on the speed.
http://thmotorsports.com/buddy_club/buddy_club_coilovers_racing_spec/g-53450.aspx

[SSmoked]

Tokay i just relized your a pball player. you still playing? i see a bobby long onyx/mummy(lol i cant remeber) in your dp there. im trying to recognize that jersey. i see rxl on the wrist there lol. i use to play a couple years back. me and a bunch of buds would play the TOC series when they existed. good times.

[Tokay444]

i'm in the cxbl again this year. captain of brockville tdotballers. last year i was in rage camp. captain of vaughan vipers. my gun is a 1 of 126 milled darq marq. it's from 07 and i'll never stop shooting it.

[SSmoked]

Thats asom. i used to have a dust white angel A1 loved that gun, shot like a dream. i always wanted to join xball team. id probly only make cx4 or rxl.
Is the sport still going strong? i rember back in 06-08.5 it was going strong, than started to slow down big time.
I still have some of my gear. shame i got rid of alot of stuff. i really wanted to get back into the game but never had the time. Had some of my best life time memories playing paintball.

[Tokay444]

to be honest, the scene in canada and the rest of the world is pretty grim right now. axbl folded last year, and i'd be surprised if the cxbl last one more...
but i'm sure there's an upswing on the horizon. i won't be around to see it mind you. next year i'm starting my auto racing career.

[breakfasteatre]

thought i would be picking up my new to me 07 ms3 but thanks to convenient banker hours, i have to wait one more day. Will be at least one more trip to the bank before i get the cheque in hand. ugh

[Tokay444]

damn!

[SSmoked]

to be honest, the scene in canada and the rest of the world is pretty grim right now. axbl folded last year, and i'd be surprised if the cxbl last one more...
but i'm sure there's an upswing on the horizon. i won't be around to see it mind you. next year i'm starting my auto racing career.

wow. that sucks. its because it so damn expensive to play. i rember entrance +pballs was like 60$ using shitty paint. not to mention parts, gears and guns were stupid priced. i used to buy 100% of my stuff used because i could save 50+ dollars oppsed to buying new

[alhope34]

I used to just go rent a gun and such every so often, but $80 a day for gun plus paint and whatnot is kind of expensive. It's pricey but fun, like any other hobby.

[Tokay444]

it's retarded expensive for renters. you pay 80 for the gear and 200 paintball. we pay 60 for the field time and 2000 paintballs.
but i play a different kind of paintball than most renters have ever seen.

[alhope34]

The place I went to play a few years ago it was $22.50 for gear, unlimited time for the day, co2 and first 200 balls. Every 100 balls after that was $12.50. All those prices were cash, tax included.

[Fobio]

Last chance @ APH with Christian on feb 1st Tuesday. Firm Interest by pm Only.

[Elusivellama]

thought i would be picking up my new to me 07 ms3 but thanks to convenient banker hours, i have to wait one more day. Will be at least one more trip to the bank before i get the cheque in hand. ugh

Be sure to post in the new owner's thread when you do, congrats!

[horto]

it's retarded expensive for renters. you pay 80 for the gear and 200 paintball. we pay 60 for the field time and 2000 paintballs.
but i play a different kind of paintball than most renters have ever seen.

airsoft costs me $25-$30 field fee plus $10 for 2000 bb's.
no kids, and no paint on my gear!
just don't ask me to add up how much $$ i've sunk in gear...

clearly one of our summer events should be a paintball day...

[Tokay444]

That'd be dope. I think between practice every weekend, and traveling as far as gonanoque for events, the season cost me about 2700 bucks. That's not including any of my gear just paint, travel and accommodations.

[Tokay444]

What kind of fuel consumption are you gents seeing this winter? My trip computer lies hard. Says my average is 10.6L/100km. But when I average out my litres in vs km driven from fill to fill, I see about 11.2-12.2L/100km. I'm lucky to see 400km on a tank of ultra94. Bone stock. 50km per day of highway, and some mixed highway/city the rest of the time.

[alhope34]

12.5-14L/100km all city 8.8-9.2L/100km all highway

[Tokay444]

Is that by your computer, or by your maths?

[alhope34]

I put all my info all the time into Fuelly. My mileage average is in my sig. I do a lot of highway to Montreal and back. That's how I get a lot of tanks 100% city and a lot of tanks 100% highway. I don't get too many mixed tanks. Usually I get about 350-375 kms for 50L of gas all city. My mods are cai and fmic.

[Tokay444]

I'll need to look into this fuelly thing... Thanks for the legit responses.

[alhope34]

NP. I changed my stock cd deck out a while ago, so I don't even have the stock computer anymore. :P

And yes, it is VERY optimistic. Speed matters huge in this car for mileage, though. Normally to Montreal and back I set my cruise to 120km/h the whole way. It is 535 km from my apartment to my girlfriend's and I do that in one tank pretty easily, but when I get to her place the low fuel light is usually on (usually fill with 47-48L JUST after light comes on). Same when I come home, obviously. The last time I went was in January, and I tried going 100km/h the whole way with the cruise on. with the whole trip at 100, when I got there and got home after 535 kms I still had 1/4 tank of gas. I think I got to 650 kms on the tank I came home with and filled with 52.1L. That works out to just a hair over 8L/100km. When I bought my car the highway mileage rating was 7.6L/100km. The last 115 or so kms on the tank was all city, so I might have actually come close to the factory rating while I was on the highway.

[Tokay444]

Sweet. Setting the cruise at 120 for the summer drive to north Carolina and kicking back with a good book... Wait wut?

[Fobio]

400km/tank is the going average.

[horto]

try shell vpower 91 with no ethanol... i get much better fuel mileage ... just lower boost targets

[Tokay444]

Alright cool. It's a few pennys a litre cheaper too.
But does the ultra94 actually have ethanol in it?
Also, thanks you two. Now I know there isn't anything "wrong" with my kilometreage.

[alhope34]

Also, thanks you two. Now I know there isn't anything "wrong" with my kilometreage.


Lol, yea, you're not in a honda anymore. :P

And yes, ultra 94 has ethanol, that's one of the ways they increase the octane. Ethanol will lower mileage but increase octane. I read on MSF there were a few guys who would mix 2.75 gallons of E85 ethanol into a full tank for premium gas to make a cheaper type of racing octane fuel. Seemed to work well for them.

[Tokay444]

I read that thread as well. I need to read more about e85 in and unto itself.
Ah, my last Honda got 17L/100km and spent most of it's life between 8000 and 9000 rpm.
I just wanted to make sure this was normal.

[alhope34]

^ Lol, now THAT'S not normal. :P

[Tokay444]

Tehe. Oops.

[Fobio]

This is not me...but I'd like to try...

A bolted MS3 on stock engine and stock turbo can pull on stock C63's...

[alhope34]

A bolted MS3 could also pull on a stock Boxster S and hang out with a supercharged SVT Cobra.

[Tokay444]

Ask him how he he knows. Ask him.

[Fobio]

A bolted MS3 could also pull on a stock Boxster S and hang out with a supercharged SVT Cobra.

I drove a Cayman S...it's not faster in a straight line, of course...but that's not even a challenge for the MS3 really. A SVT Cobra w/ over 400hp is more appropriate...

Personally, I've taken a Z8 from a dig...they're ~400hp...

A C63 is ~450hp...

Do the math:

C63 - 4000lbs/450hp = 8.9lbs/hp
MS3 - 3300lbs/x hp = ???

LOL...you guys figure it out...see if you're near... ;)

But like I said...it wasn't me...and I don't think I can do it yet. So it's unconfirmed!

[alhope34]

Does it count that I only had a MS CAI and turboxs downpipe for both? From a dig anything can beat me in the rain with my winters. I get spin easing in to third and I don't even have much hp over stock. All I got now is the Fujita CAI and cpe FMIC.

[starscream]

I went with the SUPER UBER GRANNY driving and was only able to pushout 550kms on the tank. But that was with NO boost, ~85% highway driving, going 95kms on the highway, and about 5kms under the limit on all city roads, easing to stops and taking FOREVER to accelerate. I find that @ 5-8mmHG of vac you can accelerate but its uber slow, @ 10 -14mmHG of vac you can cruise around town and at 14-16mmHG you can somewhat maintain highway speeds. I mean it was a painful 550kms, and honestly it was not worth it. On average I get 420kms a tank with a fun foot and with 70/30 highway to city ratio.

Also the MS3 cant lose from a 40roll (40mph that is)...LOL

[horto]

I drove a Cayman S...it's not faster in a straight line, of course...but that's not even a challenge for the MS3 really. A SVT Cobra w/ over 400hp is more appropriate...


my next car will be the Cayman R :hawt

/offtopic

now I gotta go find some 'Vettes and Mustangs to run experiments on...

[Tokay444]

try shell vpower 91 with no ethanol... i get much better fuel mileage ... just lower boost targets

Many thanks to you kind sir. I went from my best tank of 94 being 400kms to a fill of v-power sitting at 382kms and only to notches below half a tank.

[Fobio]

anyone know when I can find rear seat cover? cheap...

I've searched through Standard Auto Wreckers...no luck.

[horto]

anyone know when I can find rear seat cover? cheap...

you make a mess back there or something? :chuckle

[Fobio]

you make a mess back there or something? :chuckle

my friend did...

[Tokay444]

Heading to innovative in buffalo Saturday morning for the stock genwon baseline pull.

[Elusivellama]

I went with the SUPER UBER GRANNY driving and was only able to pushout 550kms on the tank. But that was with NO boost, ~85% highway driving, going 95kms on the highway, and about 5kms under the limit on all city roads, easing to stops and taking FOREVER to accelerate. I find that @ 5-8mmHG of vac you can accelerate but its uber slow, @ 10 -14mmHG of vac you can cruise around town and at 14-16mmHG you can somewhat maintain highway speeds. I mean it was a painful 550kms, and honestly it was not worth it. On average I get 420kms a tank with a fun foot and with 70/30 highway to city ratio.

I recently switched to Shell V-power, did a highway roundtrip from Waterloo to London using cruise control for the highway, drove normally in London for approx. 30km total (90% highway, 10% city). I did a few....err... boosted pulls here and there. My trip meter was reading ~260km and I still had one 'cube' above half tank. Stock everything except RMM. I'm interested to see how a CS SRI would affect mileage since I know that the stock tune is too rich.

[Tokay444]

I have a stock tube and my dashhawk read stoic at cruising always. Why is yours rich?

[Tokay444]

http://innovativetuningdl.com/images/blog/04.11/Brock07MS3VsPaul10MS3.jpg
I'm the 2007. Thankfully. Genwon ftw

[Fobio]

^^^post that sheet with more details in the dyno section...

oops...youv'e been banned...sigh...

noobs ask pointless intake question...
more noobs pile on with irrelevance...
impatient MS3 techy jumps in....
noobs cry...
reason and humour drowns in noobs tears...
techy gets banned...

lesson?

only help those who help themselves.

[S.F.W.]

^^^post that sheet with more details in the dyno section...

oops...youv'e been banned...sigh...

noobs ask pointless intake question...
more noobs pile on with irrelevance...
impatient MS3 techy jumps in....
noobs cry...
reason and humour drowns in noobs tears...
techy gets banned...

lesson?

only help those who help themselves.

not exactly.
Noob asks for help
N00bs try to help
Senior members suggest Jimmy
MS3 guy who doesn't actually know much but trolls many forums jumps in
above guy starts being an a=hole to members
mods warn
member starts telling off mods
dumb ass gets a one week vacation

Moral of the story - don't be an A$$hole, and don't flame mods.

[Fobio]

well I don't condone the harsh behaviour nor the senseless sarcastic remarks, but coming from MSF.org, he couldn't help himself and stay on his toes and adapt...

nor do I dispute that he really shouldn't have engaged the mods the way he did...another lesson learned I hope...

however, the MZ3 guys don't jump into this thread...maybe cuz this thread is labelled "MS3"...maybe we can auto-apply a "MS3" tag to threads started in the MS3 section, to avoid another one of these situations...it's tough enough to share info and truth, and even tougher when half the thread explains the difference between the cars and why it'd be nice to keep our threads focused, and not have to light any other fire crackers and have ppl "burn out"....

[MajesticBlueNTO]

MS3 guy who doesn't actually know much but trolls many forums jumps in


i don't recall s.f.w. jumping into that thread :P

in any case, tokay's approach may not conform to the lifestyle that is TM3, but to say he doesn't know much isn't exactly fair.

he probably knows his stuff but has little tolerance for those that don't know trying to answer a technical question.

[SSmoked]

Hey Fobio, are we still gona do that dyno day at APH in May?
I had my base numbers done on the APH dyno i want to see my I/DP/T numbers on the APH dyno.

[Fobio]

Hey Fobio, are we still gona do that dyno day at APH in May?
I had my base numbers done on the APH dyno i want to see my I/DP/T numbers on the APH dyno.

yes...update is on the way.

[Shen]

Quick question, I know Rotella T6 5W40 is darn good for our car, but what about warranty wise? =X

Thanks!!

[Tokay444]

i don't recall s.f.w. jumping into that thread :P

in any case, tokay's approach may not conform to the lifestyle that is TM3, but to say he doesn't know much isn't exactly fair.

he probably knows his stuff but has little tolerance for those that don't know trying to answer a technical question.
Thank you.