Looking at a 2011 MS3... advice?

[VertigoM]

Hey folks, I am in the market for a new car and the MS3 is definitely up there on my list along with the Impreza WRX. I haven't driven the MS3 yet but the WRX felt pretty good.

So for all you guys with a MS3, do you have any regrets or major complaints with the car? How is it in terms of reliability and recalls? I see that there is a "smoking turbo" issue... does this effect the 2011 models?

One last question with the MSRP... how much discount are dealerships typically giving out?

[MZR87]

The 2011 Speed's haven't even hit the lots yet as far as I know. Besides, there are till 2010's laying around with plenty of incentives to be had. Why not try to get one??

[SomeGuy]

Get a 2010 if you can, they are losing a couple options on the 2011 MS3's (the turn signals on the mirrors for instance). That and you'll save 5k+ on a 2010 over a 2011.

That said, I drove both the WRX, the golf GTi, the hyundai genesis, bmw 128i, and the MS3...and chose the 2010 MS3 myself over all the other competition, it was just the best bang/buck and a hoot to drive.

[gotak]

For the MS3's smoking turbo boggie man (some people have it some people haven't, extended warranty should help you sleep better if you worry). The WRX has the "weak transmission and clutch" version, GTI the electronics plus unrepairable DSG box.

You should try the MS3 in person for sure. It's different front the WRX. The WRX comes off as a lot softer. The MS3 will feel a lot more hasher but it'll also stick better in the summer time in the corners.

If you want to find out about prices you should talk to one of the dealer representatives here. I got mine off jeff and it was a pretty good deal.

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

08.5 MS3 here. No mechanical issues and no complaints other than a windshield/cowl rattle in cold weather that was addressed via TSB. Car has been rock solid reliability wise.

The 08.5's and above haven't had any recalls to date and are not affected by the commonly known issues, (fuel pump, smoking turbo, bad turbo etc.) issues related to the 07 and 08 model years. Mazda incorporated some changes to the DP, turbo and some other minor tweaks from 08.5 and beyond in the MS3's.

No regrets at all. Absolutely love the car and love driving it.

Given the choice over a 2010 and 2011 MS3, you're better off doing a deal on a 2010. Your best bang for buck though would be finding a low mileage 08.5 or 09 model.

[VertigoM]

Good advice... I just saw a 2010 MS3 at the dealer. The salesman said that there are no options for a MS3, is this true or is he just trying to convince me to take the car off his lot?

Are there no advantages with a 2011? I read that Mazda improved the mid-range power for 2011.

How about common problems with the car?

[gotak]

Good advice... I just saw a 2010 MS3 at the dealer. The salesman said that there are no options for a MS3, is this true or is he just trying to convince me to take the car off his lot?

Are there no advantages with a 2011? I read that Mazda improved the mid-range power for 2011.

How about common problems with the car?

There are no options for 2010 it comes in 1 trim with everything available in it. Ok not entirely true, I think you can add stuff like ipod integration. But the A2DP works well enough. There are no options packages is what I mean I guess. The rest you pay for it yourself and have the dealer install. I guess the rearview mirror with homelink might be w worthwhile upgrade.

Eh what improvement? The 2010 is the new model year. I don't think they are tweaking anything for 2011. The engine package didn't change much from pre 2010 to 2010. You must have been reading those old website articles talking about the 2011 speed 3 when they didn't know it was going to be out in 2010. Some of them though it would get a 2.5 liter turbo engine or a V6 and AWD. Shows you how mush wishful thinking goes on inside a auto journalist's head when ti comes to new hot hatches :)

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Good advice... I just saw a 2010 MS3 at the dealer. The salesman said that there are no options for a MS3, is this true or is he just trying to convince me to take the car off his lot?

Are there no advantages with a 2011? I read that Mazda improved the mid-range power for 2011.

How about common problems with the car?

True. There are no option packages with the MS3 as it comes with everything equipped and you cannot get things like automatic or a moonroof with the MS3. Only options would be dealer cosmetic items.

I am not aware of any advantages with the 2011, but then, I haven't really been following info related to them. Not a fan of the new look MS3.

Common Things to Consider

-The DISI engine is hard on oil. Mainly due to fuel dilution. You need to run a top notch full synthetic in this car and if you drive it a lot and drive it hard, do consider 4-5K oil changes even on a full syn oil.
-Windshield/Cowl rattle and possible interior trim creaks when either very cold or very hot.
-Suspension/bushing creak over road imperfections in colder weather (-10 celsius and below). Only happens when car is cold and will go away after 10-15 minutes of driving and once the car is warmed up.
-Rough shift engagement from 1st into 2nd gear in cold temps. Usually only occurs on the first or second shift attempt and is fine after that. You just need to double clutch or take a longer than normal pause from first into neutral and then go into second gear.
-Turbo engines lose power capacity in really hot, really cold or really humid weather. This is not MS3 specific, but it does seem to be more tempermental than other turbo cars I've driven in this regard.
-Requires premium fuel, 91 octane or higher.

I don't have a 2010, but the things I've noted above are known to persist on the newer models also. 2010 owners can comment on other things where I can't.

[Elusivellama]

He's right, there are no options on a 2010 MS3, it's one trim only (fully loaded with tech package). All they did for the 2011 MS3 was to take the tech package away from the base model (AFS headlights, smart key, push button start, 10 speakers, bose 6 CD changer system, power driver seat, colour multi info display on dashboard) and sell it separately as a separate MS3 option. AND there are no more side-mirror turn indicators on the 2011s. Everything else should remain the same....didn't hear anything about improved mid-range power.

I worked out same calculations with the current incentives on the 2010s and 2011s, factoring in the incentives if you're a previous Mazda owner, and the 2010s came out to about $700 extra (pre-tax) but with all of the above options and side-mirror mounted turn indicators, plus 0% financing up to 72 months. IMO, 2010s are a better deal overall.

edit:

For the fuel dilution thing, Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 supposedly resists fuel dilution better than most other synthetic oils, I've been reading a couple used oil analysis reports on the bobistheoilguy forums, and the consensus is that the PP is excellent. In any case, it's normal that you need to put in high quality full synthetic oil for a turbo engine, I would not put in anything less just to save a few bucks.

In my opinion, if you're looking at turbo cars, you're already looking at high quality synthetic oil changes whether it's a MS3 or WRX or Ralliart/Evo, or whatever, so don't look at it as a 'MS3 only' issue.

[eliminator]

Man, get a 2010. Yo can probably get 0% financing or 5k+ off sticker. There's nothing worth waiting for in the 2011. The only advantage would be better resale down the road. Hell, you could probably even get a winter tire package thrown in. I have an 07 Speed3 and have had 0 problems with the car.

[eliminator]

agree about the oil "thing" with these cars. Pennzoil Platinum (on sale frequently at Canadian Tire) or the new Pennzoil Ultra (Walmart only in Canada so far?) seems to treat the engine very well.

[VertigoM]

Thanks for the feedback guys! How do I get in contact with Jeff, what is his user name?

It looks like most of the common issues arent too serious - it looks like we may have a winner! I'm going to schedule a test drive for tomorrow :)

[Elusivellama]

"Jeff-TheBiz" (Jeff Holley at Mazda of Toronto).

[VertigoM]

One more question: how well does this car respond to basic bolt-on mods?

[gotak]

One more question: how well does this car respond to basic bolt-on mods?

Drive it first. 263 hp is already a lot for a FWD. Your issue with the car is more how do you get it to go fast with the transmission it has than lack of ponies.

[VertigoM]

Drive it first. 263 hp is already a lot for a FWD. Your issue with the car is more how do you get it to go fast with the transmission it has than lack of ponies.

Right, I forgot about torque steer as well. Too bad there isnt an AWD option.

[SomeGuy]

Just an FYI, I paid $24,000 + got $8000 trade (at the mazda dealer that I won't name) for my brand new 2010 MS3, and that included the 4 year MAP, snow tires (XIce2's), clear bra (3m), rust proofing (permanent lifetime), and Mazda OEM winter floor mats. So there are some MASSIVE deals to be had out there if you bargin right.

[eliminator]

Just got my oil changed at North Bay Mazda, they have a black 10 Speed3 that has been sitting in the showroom all year. 0% for 72 months.

[SomeGuy]

Just got my oil changed at North Bay Mazda, they have a black 10 Speed3 that has been sitting in the showroom all year. 0% for 72 months.

I test drove that specific one when I was doing my shopping a couple months ago :) (ended up buying down south though) Gary is the sales guy you want to speak to if you bought from north bay mazda. My family has purchased three mazda 3's from him and always a good experience.

[VertigoM]

Just an FYI, I paid $24,000 + got $8000 trade (at the mazda dealer that I won't name) for my brand new 2010 MS3, and that included the 4 year MAP, snow tires (XIce2's), clear bra (3m), rust proofing (permanent lifetime), and Mazda OEM winter floor mats. So there are some MASSIVE deals to be had out there if you bargin right.

WOW! That is an amazing deal! When did you get this?

May I ask if it was a dealer in the GTA or did you go way out somewhere?

[SomeGuy]

WOW! That is an amazing deal! When did you get this?

May I ask if it was a dealer in the GTA or did you go way out somewhere?

I'm not in the GTA (see my PM). And I purchased at the beginning of November this year.

[JStroke]

Hey folks, I am in the market for a new car and the MS3 is definitely up there on my list along with the Impreza WRX. I haven't driven the MS3 yet but the WRX felt pretty good.

So for all you guys with a MS3, do you have any regrets or major complaints with the car? How is it in terms of reliability and recalls? I see that there is a "smoking turbo" issue... does this effect the 2011 models?

One last question with the MSRP... how much discount are dealerships typically giving out?

Hey I had the same decision. I had my eye on a WRX for years, then last minute bought a Speed3 and haven't looked back. The only thing I think this car lacks is the AWD, plus the smiley is a bit weird. Why I chose it over a WRX:
1. just as fast as a WRX or faster (STI not inculded)
2. Price - list is about the same but don't forget the Mazda is a loaded car, ie. w/ tech package. Add that to the WRX and it costs way more.
3. Features and interior: way better
4. 0% financing, willingness of the dealer to bargain, and experience with the dealer. The Subaru dealer basically made me beg to drive a WRX, wasn't interested in negotiating on price, offered 3.9% financing, and was pretty much sold out of 2011s already. They are in such high demand that they aren't interested in giving me the time of day, or making a deal. That is what I found anyway.

Also the Mazda dealership is way closer to me than Subaru. Both really nice and fun cars though.

[Elusivellama]

I'm not in the GTA (see my PM). And I purchased at the beginning of November this year.

Even if you're in the GTA, you can still get a really good deal. Speak with Jeff and see what he says, he will show you everything about the pricing break-down, and give you the best deal out of the several Mazda dealerships I had visited prior to him.

Right now, these are the incentives I know of:

1) $1000 stackable to finance (pre-tax discount)
2) $1000 online coupon (pre-tax discount), expires Jan 3rd, 2011
3) $1000 loyalty discount (post-tax discount, applied after tax)
4) 72 months 0% financing, 0.9% financing up to 84 months.

So if you want that coupon discount, you should act pretty soon. Are you a Mazda owner right now?

[gotak]

Hey I had the same decision. I had my eye on a WRX for years, then last minute bought a Speed3 and haven't looked back. The only thing I think this car lacks is the AWD, plus the smiley is a bit weird. Why I chose it over a WRX:
1. just as fast as a WRX or faster (STI not inculded)
2. Price - list is about the same but don't forget the Mazda is a loaded car, ie. w/ tech package. Add that to the WRX and it costs way more.
3. Features and interior: way better
4. 0% financing, willingness of the dealer to bargain, and experience with the dealer. The Subaru dealer basically made me beg to drive a WRX, wasn't interested in negotiating on price, offered 3.9% financing, and was pretty much sold out of 2011s already. They are in such high demand that they aren't interested in giving me the time of day, or making a deal. That is what I found anyway.

Also the Mazda dealership is way closer to me than Subaru. Both really nice and fun cars though.


Basically the same for me. No interest in letting me test drive. No interest in trying to make the sale. There must be quite a few muppets out there just willing to sign on the line for a WRX without test driving. The bad attitude really puts me off buying a subaru in the future. I guess they get quite a lot of people wanting to just test a WRX without any intention of buying. But honestly, there are other choices out there for AWD fast cars.

[SomeGuy]

Funny, I had the same issue trying to get a test drive of the WRX. Eventually they let me, and the test drive threw me off the car all together...I could not stand the clutch, gearbox or driving position. Yes it drove decently nicely, but it was not something I could live with everyday. My MS3 is daily driven and it's just as easy to drive as my old 2006 3 GS...only downside is my horrible mileage right now :(

[VertigoM]

Funny, I had the same issue trying to get a test drive of the WRX. Eventually they let me, and the test drive threw me off the car all together...I could not stand the clutch, gearbox or driving position. Yes it drove decently nicely, but it was not something I could live with everyday. My MS3 is daily driven and it's just as easy to drive as my old 2006 3 GS...only downside is my horrible mileage right now :(

Hmm.. this is one thing that worries me. How horribe is "horrible"? 12L/100km?

[3DEE]

I bought my 2010 in August. Got it for $29.000 and 0% for 72 months. I thought the interest rates are gonna go up in September, otherwise I would have waited a few months more for even more discount. But I can't complain. I got mine in Erin Mills Mazda. They had 6 speeds sitting in the parking lot for a year. So they were eager to sell one. As for my thoughts on it....I love it. I had an 08 Speed 3 before and loved that one too, but the new one is very well refined. Much better turning radius, softer clutch and gearbox. And lots of nice toys. A friend of mine has a 09 WRX. It's powerful, but honestly the Speed feels faster. Plus, the WRX looks like a plastic box on the inside. Very simple, nothing impressive at all. Their gearbox is terrible. Whenever I drive my friends car I can't find gears. It's definitely the worst gearbox I've driven. Except for the stupid smiley face on the Mazda (and FWD) everything else is much better.

[SomeGuy]

Hmm.. this is one thing that worries me. How horribe is "horrible"? 12L/100km?

I'm currently showing 13.7l/100km on the trip computer, which is pretty much my mileage for my first 3 tanks of gas. Keep in mind though it's 100% city, I'm slightly addicted to boost (as you will be too) and it's winter with winter tires....I imagine come summer I'll get it down below 13, hopefully to 12.

[Unoriginalusername]

advice? be doubly sure you have no intention of selling it in the near term as the resale will be a rude awakening

[Elusivellama]

The average fuel economy (once broken in) seems to be around 10L/100km, and Car and Driver had 23 MPG on their long-term tester at 30,744 miles (49,190km), and I imagine they were probably dipping into the boost quite a bit. Still, you don't buy a turbo car for outstanding fuel efficiency, but the MS3 seems to be pretty good on fuel efficiency considering what it is.

[VertigoM]

So I just got back from my test drive. One word: Impressive!

Overall the car drove great.

Pros
- Great shift feel and short throws
- Powerful engine with good power band
- Nice interior finish
- Felt sturdy on the highway with no wind noise or creaks

Cons
- Torque steer!! This caught me off guard a little on the on-ramp. I stepped on the gas and immediately i could feel the car pulling to the side :(
- Seats - not enough lateral support
- Navigation screen is tiny
- And of course, the smiley face

[VertigoM]

advice? be doubly sure you have no intention of selling it in the near term as the resale will be a rude awakening

Hmm... how bad is the resale value?? I was thinking of keeping the car for 3-4 years

[Unoriginalusername]

Hmm... how bad is the resale value?? I was thinking of keeping the car for 3-4 years

after two years and 25,000km your dealer trade will be 16-18, private will be 19-21 after paying 35k OTD new. more years/km's and you'll be in the sub 15k for a dealer trade

[VertigoM]

I bought my 2010 in August. Got it for $29.000 and 0% for 72 months. I thought the interest rates are gonna go up in September, otherwise I would have waited a few months more for even more discount. But I can't complain. I got mine in Erin Mills Mazda. They had 6 speeds sitting in the parking lot for a year. So they were eager to sell one. As for my thoughts on it....I love it. I had an 08 Speed 3 before and loved that one too, but the new one is very well refined. Much better turning radius, softer clutch and gearbox. And lots of nice toys. A friend of mine has a 09 WRX. It's powerful, but honestly the Speed feels faster. Plus, the WRX looks like a plastic box on the inside. Very simple, nothing impressive at all. Their gearbox is terrible. Whenever I drive my friends car I can't find gears. It's definitely the worst gearbox I've driven. Except for the stupid smiley face on the Mazda (and FWD) everything else is much better.

I fully agree with your comparison to the WRX.

What do your monthly payments come out to? I was just quoted $491/mth for 72 months (0%). Is this a good deal?

[bman13]

Hmm... how bad is the resale value?? I was thinking of keeping the car for 3-4 years

Why buy it and keep it for 3-4 yrs? baller?

[Unoriginalusername]

I fully agree with your comparison to the WRX.

What do your monthly payments come out to? I was just quoted $491/mth for 72 months (0%). Is this a good deal?

35k otd... not hwy robbery but not a steal

[chrismelito]

If you want your payments a little lower, go bi-monthly, and jack up to 84 months. The interest rate is only .9%, or at least it was for me. That being said, I don't plan on ever letting this car go...just augmenting it with other vehicles over the years. :chuckle

[WeatherB]

True. There are no option packages with the MS3 as it comes with everything equipped and you cannot get things like automatic or a moonroof with the MS3. Only options would be dealer cosmetic items.

I am not aware of any advantages with the 2011, but then, I haven't really been following info related to them. Not a fan of the new look MS3.

Common Things to Consider

-The DISI engine is hard on oil. Mainly due to fuel dilution. You need to run a top notch full synthetic in this car and if you drive it a lot and drive it hard, do consider 4-5K oil changes even on a full syn oil.
-Windshield/Cowl rattle and possible interior trim creaks when either very cold or very hot.
-Suspension/bushing creak over road imperfections in colder weather (-10 celsius and below). Only happens when car is cold and will go away after 10-15 minutes of driving and once the car is warmed up.
-Rough shift engagement from 1st into 2nd gear in cold temps. Usually only occurs on the first or second shift attempt and is fine after that. You just need to double clutch or take a longer than normal pause from first into neutral and then go into second gear.
-Turbo engines lose power capacity in really hot, really cold or really humid weather. This is not MS3 specific, but it does seem to be more tempermental than other turbo cars I've driven in this regard.
-Requires premium fuel, 91 octane or higher.

I don't have a 2010, but the things I've noted above are known to persist on the newer models also. 2010 owners can comment on other things where I can't.

This is an excellent list and I agree with them all... but I've got a couple of comments after owning my car for nearly 3 years:

1. Upgrade the transmission fluid to the Motorcraft stuff after the break-in period. It'll help with the cold shift issue and generally make the transmission a lot better (I posted a review of the transmission oil early this summer).
2. Look into upgrading the rear engine mount, the stock one has too much play. You can get an engine mount with a "soft" bushing if you don't want too many more vibrations.

[Elusivellama]

This is an excellent list and I agree with them all... but I've got a couple of comments after owning my car for nearly 3 years:

1. Upgrade the transmission fluid to the Motorcraft stuff after the break-in period. It'll help with the cold shift issue and generally make the transmission a lot better (I posted a review of the transmission oil early this summer).
2. Look into upgrading the rear engine mount, the stock one has too much play. You can get an engine mount with a "soft" bushing if you don't want too many more vibrations.

I just looked up your thread on it. The part number for the Motorcraft fluid is XT-M5-QS, a full synthetic 75W-90 transmission oil. The factory fill MTF is not synthetic?

Also, I have a CPE rear engine mount 65 durometer, will mount that whenever I have time.

[VertigoM]

Picking up my MS3 tomorrow morning. Woohoo!

[Elusivellama]

Picking up my MS3 tomorrow morning. Woohoo!

Nice! Who'd you get it from? And what colour?

[VertigoM]

Nice! Who'd you get it from? And what colour?

Took the last white one at Agincourt Mazda.

Really looking forward to driving it. Probably going to have a hard time sleeping tonight... lol

[mazdaskit]

Took the last white one at Agincourt Mazda.

Really looking forward to driving it. Probably going to have a hard time sleeping tonight... lol

better start making that mod list :chuckle

[Elusivellama]

Took the last white one at Agincourt Mazda.

Really looking forward to driving it. Probably going to have a hard time sleeping tonight... lol

Did you get winter tires ready for it? It comes with Dunlop SP 2050s, summer tires.

[VertigoM]

Did you get winter tires ready for it? It comes with Dunlop SP 2050s, summer tires.

Good point. I was told all season tires at another dealership so I held off on the winters :( I do have another vehicle with winters so I guess that'll have to do for now.

Anyone know where I can get a good deal on winters?

[eliminator]

nice, you'll def want a winter tire/wheel package. You should negotiate it into the deal or at least get a huge discount.

[Tokay444]

Ugh. Dunlop:( when did they change from bridgestone potenza re050as?

[WeatherB]

Good point. I was told all season tires at another dealership so I held off on the winters :( I do have another vehicle with winters so I guess that'll have to do for now.

Anyone know where I can get a good deal on winters?

You definitely don't want all season tires on this car, especially with all that power going to the front wheels. It has a hard time as it is putting power down with performance summer tires. LOL.

Make sure to get winter tires if you plan on driving the car during the winter.

Also, just to make sure, you need to put premium fuel in there (at least 91, I put 94). The dealership may have told you otherwise, you never know. :)

[VertigoM]

You definitely don't want all season tires on this car, especially with all that power going to the front wheels. It has a hard time as it is putting power down with performance summer tires. LOL.

Make sure to get winter tires if you plan on driving the car during the winter.

Also, just to make sure, you need to put premium fuel in there (at least 91, I put 94). The dealership may have told you otherwise, you never know. :)

Thanks for the tips :)

I'll definitely get winters because I have summers on my old car and driving in snow was no joke (only did it once and never again)!

Do you find that you get poor gas mileage with 94? I'm thinking of going with 91 Shell because it doesnt have ethanol...

[WeatherB]

Thanks for the tips :)

I'll definitely get winters because I have summers on my old car and driving in snow was no joke (only did it once and never again)!

Do you find that you get poor gas mileage with 94? I'm thinking of going with 91 Shell because it doesnt have ethanol...

No problem...

I get horrible mileage regardless since I'm mostly on city streets with a lot of stop signs. I think I get something like 350km on nearly a full tank, which works out to around 14.2L/100KM.

I've been using Ultra 94 for a while now but if I remember correctly I did get better mileage when I was using Petro Canada 91.

[Unoriginalusername]

No problem...

I get horrible mileage regardless since I'm mostly on city streets with a lot of stop signs. I think I get something like 350km on nearly a full tank, which works out to around 14.2L/100KM.

I've been using Ultra 94 for a while now but if I remember correctly I did get better mileage when I was using Petro Canada 91.

Holly smokes thats bad MPG. I used to get (with mods which helped) nearly that much or more on a half tank HWY and 450-500 on city tanks in the summer. winter/winter tires would be worse but never drove it through a winter to know. I got better mpg with 94 but then again i was on a cobb ap tune with supporting mods which breathed better and helped mpg. mpg dropped a bunch when i parted out

[WeatherB]

Holly smokes thats bad MPG. I used to get (with mods which helped) nearly that much or more on a half tank HWY and 450-500 on city tanks in the summer. winter/winter tires would be worse but never drove it through a winter to know. I got better mpg with 94 but then again i was on a cobb ap tune with supporting mods which breathed better and helped mpg. mpg dropped a bunch when i parted out

Yup, it's way better in the summer though.

My 350km is with winter tires and in the cold weather. I don't think our cars like the cold at all.

[Elusivellama]

Got about 9.6L/100km last time I filled up (3rd gas tank, including the 1st from dealership), was mostly highway, but you can get surprisingly awesome fuel economy if you stick to 6th gear and cruise at about 105 - 110, using coast in gear when possible.

- The auto-headlight comes on too early... ask that they change it to the lower setting (1000 - 2000lx) otherwise you'll get your HIDs at like 4pm in the afternoon when it's still light out.

- get some good mats, weathertech digitalfits fit awesome on this car.

- consider doing your first oilchange at 1000 - 1500km instead of the recommended 8k, and use the oils listed in the oil thread on this forum (I'm personally watching out for a sale on Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30)

- the oil filters for 2010 models are spin-on, not cartridge like the previous gen. The factory oil filter is a larger capacity than the replacement oil filter that Mazda says is the correct part for an MS3. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather stick with the same size filters just to be assured that it contains the same amount of oil. Mobil One filters are reputed to be very good for this and CT sells them.

- if your car has been sitting around for a while on the lot, check the hood scoop for any obstructions like leaves... and other...stuff.

[VertigoM]

Got about 9.6L/100km last time I filled up (3rd gas tank, including the 1st from dealership), was mostly highway, but you can get surprisingly awesome fuel economy if you stick to 6th gear and cruise at about 105 - 110, using coast in gear when possible.

- The auto-headlight comes on too early... ask that they change it to the lower setting (1000 - 2000lx) otherwise you'll get your HIDs at like 4pm in the afternoon when it's still light out.

- get some good mats, weathertech digitalfits fit awesome on this car.

- consider doing your first oilchange at 1000 - 1500km instead of the recommended 8k, and use the oils listed in the oil thread on this forum (I'm personally watching out for a sale on Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30)

- the oil filters for 2010 models are spin-on, not cartridge like the previous gen. The factory oil filter is a larger capacity than the replacement oil filter that Mazda says is the correct part for an MS3. Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather stick with the same size filters just to be assured that it contains the same amount of oil. Mobil One filters are reputed to be very good for this and CT sells them.

- if your car has been sitting around for a while on the lot, check the hood scoop for any obstructions like leaves... and other...stuff.

Sweet... Thanks for the pointers. What part number/type of oil filter should I be getting?

And to return the favour: pennzoil platinum is now on sale at walmart for $25 for 5L bottles :)

[VertigoM]

I've looked into the weathertechs but was concerned that the grooves aren't deep enough to keep water away from the bottom of pant legs. Is this an issue?

[Elusivellama]

Mobil One: M1-102, double check to make sure it is for the 2010 MS3, and please note that I'm still running the factory oil filter.. once I get to oil change time, I'm going to personally check out the filter sizes of the Mobil One vs the OEM one that Mazda provides, and draw my own conclusions then. Heading to WM tomorrow morning to see if I can score those PP bottles! Each oil change is about 6L... so if I stock up for 4 oil changes, that's five of those bottles (25L), which is about all I can really store given my limited space anyway. As for weathertechs, it's different... regular mats have deep grooves and little channeling, so the water just sits in those grooves wherever they drip from your shoes - think of those $20 goodyear mats you see in Costco, those look good, but after weathertechs, there is no comparison.

Weather tech grooves are minimal but there is channeling (the mat itself is slightly angled) so the water WILL flow down to the larger catch-basin at the base of the mat, away from where your pants would be at the pedals. End result - the water stays down where it should be, and away from your pant hems, and will be contained by the large lips so you can empty it out whenever you want.

[Unoriginalusername]

Sweet... Thanks for the pointers. What part number/type of oil filter should I be getting?

And to return the favour: pennzoil platinum is now on sale at walmart for $25 for 5L bottles :)

I used that after learning Mobile one is not longer a full synthetic. liked the PP

[WeatherB]

I also use Pennzoil Platinum in mine...

If you plan on using non-OEM oil filters, keep in mind that this may cause some hassles with warranty if something major happens. I'd personally stick with what Mazda says you should be running.

[VertigoM]

Correction: walmart has the 4.73L bottles on sale, not the 5L

[Unoriginalusername]

Correction: walmart has the 4.73L bottles on sale, not the 5L

ya you're always left with a half used one for next time

[VertigoM]

So I got my car and I'm lovin' it so far! :)

I just have a few minor gripes:

1. Passenger airbag sensor: My wife only weighs about 90lbs and when she sits in the passenger seat the "Passenger Airbag Off" warning light comes on. It seems that she isnt quite heavy enough to turn on the airbags :(

2. Sirius radio: It looks like the Sirius radio was activated on my car quite some time ago so when I called up Sirius they told me that the 6 mth trial period has already expired. Hopefully the dealership can take care of this for me though.

3. Slight vibration at 100-120km/h: I suspect that this may be due to my car sitting on the lot for awhile and flattening out the tires. I have noticed that the vibration has reduced a lot already after just one day of driving around. Hopefully it'll totally disappear after more driving

4. Shifts a little notchy: I'm not sure if this is normal or not but the 1-2 and 3-4 shifts seem a tad too notchy (even after the car has fully warmed up). Maybe the transmission needs to be broken in a little more? Should I think about swapping out the tranny oil?

[VertigoM]

Oh and a side note: I just found out about the "Smart Turn signal" personalization setting while reading the owner's manual last night. This is a sweet feature to have. I remember driving my car yesterday and wishing that it had this feature (I occassionaly drive my dad's BMW around and it has this) so it was a great surprise that it can be activated by the dealership!

[WeatherB]

So I got my car and I'm lovin' it so far! :)

I just have a few minor gripes:

1. Passenger airbag sensor: My wife only weighs about 90lbs and when she sits in the passenger seat the "Passenger Airbag Off" warning light comes on. It seems that she isnt quite heavy enough to turn on the airbags :(

2. Sirius radio: It looks like the Sirius radio was activated on my car quite some time ago so when I called up Sirius they told me that the 6 mth trial period has already expired. Hopefully the dealership can take care of this for me though.

3. Slight vibration at 100-120km/h: I suspect that this may be due to my car sitting on the lot for awhile and flattening out the tires. I have noticed that the vibration has reduced a lot already after just one day of driving around. Hopefully it'll totally disappear after more driving

4. Shifts a little notchy: I'm not sure if this is normal or not but the 1-2 and 3-4 shifts seem a tad too notchy (even after the car has fully warmed up). Maybe the transmission needs to be broken in a little more? Should I think about swapping out the tranny oil?

For the air bag, I figure it has been designed that way for a reason. Probably end up doing more damage than good for someone that light.

As for the transmission, the shift will get a lot better as the transmission breaks in. Change the transmission oil to the synthetic stuff at the same time as your first oil change.

[eliminator]

For your gripes:

1. Cant help you there. 90lbs is pretty light, maybe it's worth the call to Mazda Canada and ask them about it.

2. For sure you should get a new code, either from the dealer or Mazda Canada direct

3. Good point about the flat tires. I went away for 6 months and my car sat in my garage, but I cant remember any vibration problems. Check the tire pressure?

4. Its pretty normal with this car. Don't think you need a tranny oil flush yet, but if it is a noticeable issue, maybe get the dealer to do a flush (for free) You may also want to look at this product. http://www.jamiesplanet.com/MS3/GEN2/index.htm

As for points 2-3-4, although you may have gotten a good deal on the car (?), you shouldn't be having issues like this. Especially being brand new, Mazda should be bending over backwards to make you happy. The dealership should do anything and everything to setting your "minor gripes" before you fill out the customer satisfaction survey stuff.

[Elusivellama]

What tires are you running? the dunlops?

[taz4432]

Glad to hear you're enjoying the new ride.

Just so you're aware, the 2010+ MS3s use a different weight of transmission fluid than the previous models, so the Motocraft fluid is not appropriate and use of it will likely void your warranty if you have any issues with your transmission (of course, just the part of the warranty that deals with the transmission).

Here's a thread on the 2010+ transmission fluid. http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?49080-2010-speed3-Transmission-fluid

[VertigoM]

So I take it this is the right tranny fluid for my car? http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=119
Has anyone had experience with this product on a MS3 2010?

I will probably get it changed during my first oil change. Speaking of which, when should I switch to synthetic engine oil (or does the car already come from the factory with synthetic)? Is 1500km too early to put in Pennzoil Platinum?

Hopefully I can get the Sirius radio issue resolved next week. I was looking forward to using it this weekend too.. oh well!

[VertigoM]

What tires are you running? the dunlops?

Yup, the stock dunlops.

[eliminator]

So I take it this is the right tranny fluid for my car? http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=119
Has anyone had experience with this product on a MS3 2010?

I will probably get it changed during my first oil change. Speaking of which, when should I switch to synthetic engine oil (or does the car already come from the factory with synthetic)? Is 1500km too early to put in Pennzoil Platinum?

Hopefully I can get the Sirius radio issue resolved next week. I was looking forward to using it this weekend too.. oh well!

According to Pennzoil, it's never too early to switch over. Apparently mazda ships these cars with semi-synthetic, so best go synthetic as soon as practical rather than the stock dino oil they put in.

When I changed the oil on my new Honda CBR at 1200kms, there was actually small bits of metal "shavings" in the waste oil. Personally, I'd drive it for about 1000-1500kms and switch over to Pennzoil Platinum or Ultra. The car is probably due for one since it sit on the lot for months anyways. When you bring your own oil in for an oil change at Mazda, it should only cost about $30.

[Elusivellama]

So I take it this is the right tranny fluid for my car? http://www.redlineoil.com/news_article.aspx?id=119
Has anyone had experience with this product on a MS3 2010?

I will probably get it changed during my first oil change. Speaking of which, when should I switch to synthetic engine oil (or does the car already come from the factory with synthetic)? Is 1500km too early to put in Pennzoil Platinum?

Hopefully I can get the Sirius radio issue resolved next week. I was looking forward to using it this weekend too.. oh well!

1500km is when I plan to do it.

[Jeff-TheBiz]

2. Sirius radio: It looks like the Sirius radio was activated on my car quite some time ago so when I called up Sirius they told me that the 6 mth trial period has already expired. Hopefully the dealership can take care of this for me though.

Was it a demo? The free 6 months should start when you want it to...

You may also want to check your warranty start date, and make sure you got the full 3yr/80,000km.

[VertigoM]

Was it a demo? The free 6 months should start when you want it to...

You may also want to check your warranty start date, and make sure you got the full 3yr/80,000km.\

Not demo (has less than 30km on it). The dealership doesnt understand why it is expired either but they'll take a look at it when I bring it in to have some Personalization settings changed.

I checked and warranty starts from my pick up date.

[static416]

So after reading through all of this I'm a little pissed to tell you the truth.

I just got a 2010 MS3 in December.
- I'm paying $498 a month, 0% for 72, which isn't great.
- The nav came with 2008 maps, which the dealership refused to update, says I have to buy them for $400.
- Sirius radio was not activated, and I had to buy it myself for $70.

The service I got at the dealership was awesome, but the deal seems to be a bit lacking.

[static416]

Also, not sure how you guys are getting around 13L/100km. I get about 9L/100km at the worst, with about 50% city driving, and nailing it on on-ramps.

And on the drive down to North Carolina I got about 6.5L/100km. I think it was about 780km on that tank.

It's all about cruise control people. Use the cruise control.

[Jeff-TheBiz]

So after reading through all of this I'm a little pissed to tell you the truth.

I just got a 2010 MS3 in December.
- I'm paying $498 a month, 0% for 72, which isn't great.

Too late to do anything now, but at least now you know for next time.

Be thankful you didn't buy now, as your deal would have been $1000 worse without the MCI Coupon from the online system.


- The nav came with 2008 maps, which the dealership refused to update, says I have to buy them for $400.

Has nothing to do with the dealership, they don't have the updates anyhow... but you may want to ask Mazda Canada.


- Sirius radio was not activated, and I had to buy it myself for $70.

Ridiculous.. All new cars equipped with Sirius gets 6 months of free complimentary prepaid service from Mazda... so that one you need to address with the dealership.

[Elusivellama]

I think 0% for any term past 48 months is a good finance rate, it's still zero interest paid... and sounds like you put 0 down as well. Your finance rate is separate from how much you bought the car for.

The maps issue sucks... it's a 2010 vehicle, I should have 2010 maps on it. I havent really used my sirius satellite since I got the car, but my understanding is that it is included and you should not have to pay -anything- to get it setup for the 6 months it says it runs for. You paid the dealer $70 to setup sirius? I would raise hell over that if I were you....

How far is your commute? Mine is short (4km one way) and 100% city with about 7 stop lights... I expect my fuel economy to suck during the week.

[SomeGuy]

The thing about 0% is you lose out on cash incentives which in my case was $3000 off. So rather than making their money in interest at a rate higher than 0%, they are making money by paying the banks that $3000 cash incentive amount basically.

[thekid]

So after reading through all of this I'm a little pissed to tell you the truth.

I just got a 2010 MS3 in December.
- I'm paying $498 a month, 0% for 72, which isn't great.
- The nav came with 2008 maps, which the dealership refused to update, says I have to buy them for $400.
- Sirius radio was not activated, and I had to buy it myself for $70.

The service I got at the dealership was awesome, but the deal seems to be a bit lacking.

It's my understanding that new maps aren't available for the GPS system yet. But I was told when they are available, Mazda will likely send out an SD card to owners to update their maps.

The deal you negotiated is what it is.

Dealer should be helping you get the Sirius trial for free, and IMO aren't that awesome if they made you pay for it.

[Jeff-TheBiz]

The thing about 0% is you lose out on cash incentives which in my case was $3000 off. So rather than making their money in interest at a rate higher than 0%, they are making money by paying the banks that $3000 cash incentive amount basically.

This would be accurate if there wasn't a $1000 stackable applied to the financing.. making the cash incentive only $2000 really... try and finance $30000 for 5yrs for less than $2000 in interest.

[VertigoM]

I've only used the nav a hand full of times but so far I havent had any big issues with the map.

It does suck that it's a 2008 version though.

I really hope we get free updates but somehow I doubt that'll happen.

[VertigoM]

This would be accurate if there wasn't a $1000 stackable applied to the financing.. making the cash incentive only $2000 really... try and finance $30000 for 5yrs for less than $2000 in interest.

Yup, exactly. 72 mths at 0% is definitely worth it rather than taking the $2000 cash incentive...