Speeding ticket

[runner2k]

Hello everyone,

Today at 1:00AM and everyone else was pretty much at 130km/h - 140km/h on a 100km/h zone. (QEW).

Then I spotted the Highway Patrol Car and he was about to go after everyone.

The thing is, he followed me/us with no blue/red lights on, so I did not know whether he was after me of not. I pulled over on a Gas station and he came from no where...

The price of the ticket is $359. "Speeding 149Km/h in a posted 100km/h zone".

I've been reading this website: http://www.ticketcombat.com/


The Highway Traffic Act, section 128(14) lists speeding fines which are different than the Court of Justice set fines above:

Highway Traffic Act s.128(14)
SPEEDING FINES
Kilometres SET FINE
a) 1-19 kilometres per hour over the maximum speed limit $3 per kilometre
b) 20-29 kilometres per hour over the maximum speed limit $4.50 per kilometre
c) 30-49 kilometres per hour over the maximum speed limit $7 per kilometre
d) 50 kilometres per hour or more over the maximum speed limit $9.75 per kilometre

So, $7 x 49km/h = $343. Why the total is $359?

He told me that I can go to court and plea of not guilty(option 3). This is my first ticket...

What would you do? I'm really concerned about my insurance.

[iGOzoom]

Kinda odd that he didn't light up the cherries on the highway and then issued you a ticket at the gas station.. I may be wrong but don't you need to be pulled over while the act is being committed not after?

[Fuyuzora]

1. Take a picture of the ticket or scan it, for your records.

2. Check off Option 3 (Trial).

3. Send ticket with signature etc. in the mail to the listed Provincial Offences Office.

4. Call POINTTS when you get a trial date.

5. Let POINTTS do what they can.

6. Pay POINTTS and/or the province, depending on the outcome.

7. Live with the consequences and learn from it.

[aris]

You pay court costs that is why it's more.

Since you pay court costs take it to court maybe you can get it reduced

[PearlM3]

I think the bigger question is why were you doing almost 150 in a 100

[BlackIce]

My first 3 speeding tickets I payed because I didn't know you could fight these tickets, now my insurance is a bit above and beyond reasonable but i learned from it. Take it too court seeing as its 49 km/h over the limit, you may not get it taken off the record but at best reduced. All my tickets were 15 over, I'm sure I could have taken them to court and got them taken off the record. 2 of the 3 cops even told me to go to court but I thought it was more of a taunt then a suggestion.

All in all, cops are just doing their jobs, not trying to pick on younger drivers (there might be some but those are the ones who got picked on in school).
I had a friend who got pulled over for speeding, 30km/h over the limit, cop said take it to court and he will be there. Before court was in session, cop went up to the prosecutor, said something to him and when it was her turn to go up, prosecutor said something about withdrawal and she was free to go without having to pay the ticket. After this I found out that I actually could fight these tickets. But never got any ticket since 2009, I learned my lesson. I hope this works out for you and learn what I learn. If everyone is speeding, speed with them but be one of the slower speeders, only go 15-20 over the limit, if you dont stand out cops wont pay attention to you.

I'm actually going to school to become a cop, keep those TM3 plates on if you want me to go easy on you ;)

Good luck buddy.

[Queue]

Always try and fight a ticket in court if it's a hefty fine because there's a good chance it will get reduced, especially because it's your first ticket. The prosecutor that will represent you
might deem you to be a good guy and help play a role in reducing the fine considerably when you appear in front of the judge. Just make sure you're well mannered and dressed neat and tidy as this, believe it or not, can affect your outcome.

I had a similar situation to BlackIce's story about his friend. I had an almost $300 fine to pay, but the prosecutor said I looked like a good guy and he'll see what he can do, then when it was my turn up, he said some mumbo jumbo and the judge said I was free to go without having to pay any fine! SCORE! I was a little confused and was tempted to say in the mic, "huh?" but I just rolled with it and said thank you, lol

Then again, if you get a judge on a bad day you could easily be screwed! Good luck with the ticket.

[BlackIce]

I remember when I went to court for a different situation where I won and had the incident taken off the record. Everything moves so fast that before you can process the conversation between the judge and prosecutor, its over. When I went up, I stated my name into the mic, less then 5 seconds later I said thank you and left. I even delayed saying thank you because I wasn't sure if it was over or not, I only said thank you once the judges said I was free to go.

In a way it was kinda funny but I was glad I won. This doesn't happened all the time I assume as some situation are a bit bigger and you will actually need to defend yourself. But in a most situations, it could go that fast.

[runner2k]

Thanks everyone.

Like I said, everyone else were doing 140km/h garantee... I was really following everyone else speed...

I know I was wrong.

[BlackIce]

Thanks everyone.

Like I said, everyone else were doing 140km/h garantee... I was really following everyone else speed...

I know I was wrong.
Dont say that in court... lol Just say you were going with the flow of traffic or something. In a way act dumb founded but don't lie. Talk to someone from X-Copper, either they can represent you in court or give you advice on how to defend yourself. Saying you were wrong to the judge is basically telling them that cop justifiably gave you that ticket. He never really pulled you over, he just followed you till you at your own free will stopped. From what you said, he never really signalled you to pull over either. If anything, you have a good shot at lowering the ticket to like 20 over or something. Don't take my word for it though, go to X-Copper.

[bluemazda3]

149.. tisk... blinker.. switch lanes and go 120...

[Noisy Crow]

I hope you realize that he let you off easy. 149 km/h = ticket. 150 km/h = car impounded. Too much of a coincidence that your ticket is exactly one km under the threshold. Also: If everyone else was doing 120-130, that means you were zipping past everyone else, which meant you stuck out like a sore thumb. First rule of speeding: make sure someone else has better chance of being tagged rather than you.

Also know that your insurance company doesn't car if you got nailed doing 15 over or 49 over... it'll have the exact same impact on your rates. So if you fight the ticket, your goal should be to get it dropped entirely.

[Default User]

Also know that your insurance company doesn't car if you got nailed doing 15 over or 49 over... it'll have the exact same impact on your rates. So if you fight the ticket, your goal should be to get it dropped entirely.


Insurance rates are also impacted on the amount of demerit points

IIRC actually 20 or more over limit is 4 demerit points. Under 20 is 3

[BlackIce]

Insurance rates are also impacted on the amount of demerit points

IIRC actually 20 or more over limit is 4 demerit points. Under 20 is 3

Really? I have 3 15 over speeding tickets, my parents said I don't have any demerit points since they are the ones dealing with the insurance company for me. I should go get a copy of my drivers abstract to make sure.

[bluemazda3]

they will find out when you remew.. n expect a premium hike..

[BlackIce]

My insurance did go up but these tickets came almost 3 years ago. Next January I'll be in the clear with the tickets off my record.

[Strongjag]

Demerit points use to start at 19km iirc so your tickets under 15 yield no points. That's why a lot of cops "gun" you at 119.

Also I agree, 149 sounds like the cop was cutting you a break so you could keep your car

[BlackIce]

Demerit points use to start at 19km iirc so your tickets under 15 yield no points. That's why a lot of cops "gun" you at 119.

Also I agree, 149 sounds like the cop was cutting you a break so you could keep your car

Sounds like cops are a lot nicer then the people who made those laws. Cops are bending the laws for us and people still think cops are pigs... cops are technically supposed to pull you over for going 5 over but they dont.

[Strongjag]

I agree man. Be nice to cops. Most of em are awesome.

I was driving my previous car (99 mustang) back home in the country one afternoon and got gunned coming around a bed in the boonies doing about 110 in an 80.
As soon as I saw him I pulled over as he turned on the lights. He came up and did the ole "do you know how fast you were going" and I told him that I was going about 110 because I was late from work and had to go home so I could make it to the airport to pick someone up. I apologized and told him I knew better since it was deer season.

He came back with a 30$ ticket for "disobeying an official sign" (speed limit lol). He told me he appreciated my honesty and to slow down and keep my eyes peeled for deer.

SO nice to cops now lol.

[BlackIce]

This is a bit off topic but might as well share it since its about cops.

I went to the Garrett Styles Funeral (I was part of the media crew, volunteer for RogersTV) and there were thousands of officers there, honestly if you were a criminal you would explode! But in all seriousness, it was a hot day and about 10 cops passed by my camera offering me water and asking if I was ok being in direct sunlight. Even a paramedic asked because I looked like I was dying but I was actually sleeping lol (only had 2 hours of sleep the night before) I probably looked like I was dying with my mouth wide open and everything. (I was part of the outdoor crew so we did nothing for 2 hours outside thats why I was able to fall asleep). Honestly I cant wait to become a cop, being in an environment where everyone looks out for each other, best type of environment I can think off. Biggest street gang every ;) or it could be that American police officers are ruder to civilians which effects hollywood movies which effects everyones view on the police in general who watch those movies. Or I could be wrong but even so, think about it this way, would you do what they do if they weren't there? If you have a problem with authority then at least respect police officers for doing a job with bravery and perseverance with less pay then you probably get. Other people have said it before, if you hate cops being on your case all the time, stop breaking the law.

[DumpInfo]

In my previous experiences with cops none cut me any slack mind you I was going over 20-30 every time! Another thing I tend to rub off the badass appearance which sucks cause it doesn't go to my benefit. So they just ask for my car info and I don't even bother with them. Take it to court and speak to a prosecutor and like others say be well dressed and mannered upon arrival.

[Jeff-TheBiz]

Insurance rates are also impacted on the amount of demerit points

IIRC actually 20 or more over limit is 4 demerit points. Under 20 is 3

Your insurance is affected by tickets/convictions... not points.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.shtml

More here:

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/demerit-points-do-not-affect-insurance-791274/

as for the ticket you could fight it and try and get it reduced...

I just recently got tagged myself on the 407.. just wasn't paying attention. It happens.. I paid it because I broke the law, and truthfully I don't have the time to try and go and get it reduced..


The price of the ticket is $359. "Speeding 149Km/h in a posted 100km/h zone".



btw.. mine was $275

Just try to be less of a target and drive safely.

[runner2k]

Thanks everyone again.

The thing is, I saw the car and I knew he was coming after one of us. He did not turn on the lights which kept me going on...

Well, I broke the law as everybody else.

[runner2k]

My insurance did go up but these tickets came almost 3 years ago. Next January I'll be in the clear with the tickets off my record.

The question is: In my case, when will the insurance go up?

Right now of after I renew it? (next year)

[S.F.W.]

The question is: In my case, when will the insurance go up?

Right now of after I renew it? (next year)
when you renew

[Dreamliner]

I have a hard time believing most people were going 140km/h. I have NEVER seen this on any Ontario highway. I wish everyone was going 140km/h because then I could go 110 in the right lane without having to slam on my brakes every two seconds because people around me are driving 90km/h.

Own up to the fact you were speeding way over the limit as it's pretty obvious.

[Jeff-TheBiz]

The question is: In my case, when will the insurance go up?

Right now of after I renew it? (next year)

It may not go up at all..

Depends on how many infractions you have had.

[Unoriginalusername]

don't waste my & others tax payers dollars tying up the legal system when you don't have a case. A reduced ticket/offence will show that it was reduced to insurance, based on what I've seen from others insurance it doesn't seem to make a difference if you have a ticket with a reduced fine or not; unless you have a chance to have the ticket thrown out since something was not done correctly your insurance hit is going to be the same (based on talking to friends).

Noticing that others were driving 130-140 and choosing to drive 149 even after you noticed the cop you're lucky they didn't read you at 1km more as you're car would have been towed and impounded for a week and you could be facing a fine of up to 10,000 let alone having a street racing conviction on your record which would depending on your age likely put your premiums so high that you'd be un insurable.

Like others have said, the cop can't always pull everyone over but if you're the biggest offender (or among them) you stand the greatest risk of being the one invited to the policemans christmas party.

[Jeff-TheBiz]

Noticing that others were driving 130-140 and choosing to drive 149 even after you noticed the cop you're lucky they didn't read you at 1km more as you're car would have been towed and impounded for a week and you could be facing a fine of up to 10,000 let alone having a street racing conviction on your record which would depending on your age likely put your premiums so high that you'd be un insurable.


And don't let the "up to" mislead you... minimum will be $2400!

[Unoriginalusername]

And don't let the "up to" mislead you... minimum will be $2400!

scary stuff. For a normal ticket, they last two or three years?

[runner2k]

It may not go up at all..

Depends on how many infractions you have had.

This is the first one. I will avoid this situation in the future.

[S.F.W.]

I still say fight it. If it was simply paying the speeding ticket fine, then I would say fine. But the possible additional rapage from insurance = fight it. Very simple process as well.

[S.F.W.]

scary stuff. For a normal ticket, they last two or three years?

3 years from date of conviction.

[runner2k]

Wow... three years is too much!

I did not know that.

In case I fight for it, as BlackIce said:

I would say that I was going with the flow of traffic. (Which was true)
I will have to explain that he never really pulled me over, he just followed me till I stopped. He never really signalled me to pull over either. (lights on).

[bluemazda3]

You might get a reduced fine and thats it..

[Unoriginalusername]

Wow... three years is too much!

I did not know that.

In case I fight for it, as BlackIce said:

I would say that I was going with the flow of traffic. (Which was true)
I will have to explain that he never really pulled me over, he just followed me till I stopped. He never really signalled me to pull over either. (lights on).

you don't need to be pulled over to be given a ticket. If someone video records you breaking the law and it clearly shows you breaking the law, the vehicles info, and you driving along with place and time that could be used to give you a ticket. I don't see the judge caring much that you didn't get the light show most people are given IMO

[Mazdy]

Nothing to add but just wanna share that...

About 2 yrs ago my friend that drives a 2004 Acura RSX was being stupid and he drove at the 403 going 175km and got pulled over..

Now his consequenses were:

Car got impounded for 3 months and cost is $1500
6 months license suspension
Demerit points
And plus he had to pay the speeding ticket which was $5000+

I remembered him saying he didnt bother fighting it because there really was no point as it was 100% his fault going 175km on 100km zone


His total estimate cost was atleast $8000+


Now is this about right?

[bluemazda3]

should have been more for going that fast in my opinion

[BlackIce]

Nothing to add but just wanna share that...

About 2 yrs ago my friend that drives a 2004 Acura RSX was being stupid and he drove at the 403 going 175km and got pulled over..

Now his consequenses were:

Car got impounded for 3 months and cost is $1500
6 months license suspension
Demerit points
And plus he had to pay the speeding ticket which was $5000+

I remembered him saying he didnt bother fighting it because there really was no point as it was 100% his fault going 175km on 100km zone


His total estimate cost was atleast $8000+


Now is this about right?

Damn thats scary! I remember when I first got my license I didnt like it when people passed me so I always sped up to keep ahead, now I learned that its better to be passed especially if you are already speeding.

[bluemazda3]

you just got to take it easy...

[Jackal]

Noticing that others were driving 130-140 and choosing to drive 149 even after you noticed the cop you're lucky they didn't read you at 1km more as you're car would have been towed and impounded for a week and you could be facing a fine of up to 10,000 let alone having a street racing conviction on your record which would depending on your age likely put your premiums so high that you'd be un insurable.

Best comment inho. When you see a cop car slow down to the speed that others are driving. Another tip is if you see other cars slowing down ahead, slow down too because there may be a speed gun ahead.

[taz4432]

I have a hard time believing most people were going 140km/h. I have NEVER seen this on any Ontario highway. I wish everyone was going 140km/h because then I could go 110 in the right lane without having to slam on my brakes every two seconds because people around me are driving 90km/h.

Own up to the fact you were speeding way over the limit as it's pretty obvious.

You clearly haven't spent much time on Ontario highways then. Before the 'Street Racing - 50 Over' law I'd regularly see groups of cars doing 150+ (and I'm talking a dozen or more cars..not the one yahoo blasting through traffic). Heck, even now I - on a somewhat regular basis - see good-sized groups of cars doing anywhere between 140-150 (rarely over, but sometimes). Cars doing 125-130 are a very common occurrence.

It happens and it happens often.

By the way, the rightmost lane is for slower traffic, so stop complaining about not being able to do 110 km/h in it. I'm thankful that most of the trucks stick to the right (usual reason for the 90km/h flow) as it leaves the middle lanes open to do 110-120 or whatever one feels like cruising at.

[Slade]

Where about's on the QEW was this?

[Impressive]

I have a hard time believing most people were going 140km/h. I have NEVER seen this on any Ontario highway. I wish everyone was going 140km/h because then I could go 110 in the right lane without having to slam on my brakes every two seconds because people around me are driving 90km/h.

Own up to the fact you were speeding way over the limit as it's pretty obvious.

I don't know where abouts you drive (maybe just during rush hour) but on the 400 series highways it's not uncommon to have a group of cars cruising around 130-140 given ample space and freedom for cop detection. I've been on the 407 going 140 before in the middle lane and having cars passing me on BOTH sides before.

[runner2k]

Hell, yeah. That is for sure. I'm still in shock after this situation and I'm driving my Mazdaspeed3 as a 90-year old grandma now.

20% of the cars on Gardiner express way was speeding around 130km/h. Zipping... lol



You clearly haven't spent much time on Ontario highways then. Before the 'Street Racing - 50 Over' law I'd regularly see groups of cars doing 150+ (and I'm talking a dozen or more cars..not the one yahoo blasting through traffic). Heck, even now I - on a somewhat regular basis - see good-sized groups of cars doing anywhere between 140-150 (rarely over, but sometimes). Cars doing 125-130 are a very common occurrence.

It happens and it happens often.

By the way, the rightmost lane is for slower traffic, so stop complaining about not being able to do 110 km/h in it. I'm thankful that most of the trucks stick to the right (usual reason for the 90km/h flow) as it leaves the middle lanes open to do 110-120 or whatever one feels like cruising at.

[FoXy]

149.. tisk... blinker.. switch lanes and go 120...

+1 it's not worth it at night when you can't see the cops coming. Rookie mistake.

[Unoriginalusername]

if you do see a cop and you think he is on to you, brakes are a dead give away. rather than paint the asphalt red i downshift and grab the handbrake (if its safe behind me, and the road conditions are good) to scrub of speed without drawing more attention to yourself

[m_bisson]

So, $7 x 49km/h = $343. Why the total is $359?



Victim surcharge. A portion of each ticket (minimum 10 or 20$, I forget) goes towards victim's services in the area that you get the ticket in. It isn't "court costs" as was mentioned in this thread.

[m_bisson]

if you do see a cop and you think he is on to you, brakes are a dead give away. rather than paint the asphalt red i downshift and grab the handbrake (if its safe behind me, and the road conditions are good) to scrub of speed without drawing more attention to yourself

When you grab the handbrake it turns off your daytime running lights, making you even MORE of a target ;)

[Unoriginalusername]

When you grab the handbrake it turns off your daytime running lights, making you even MORE of a target ;)

not at night when your full lights are on - i am talking about when a cop is behind you not in-front of you. in the day feel free to nail the brakes for a cop up ahead

[runner2k]

When you grab the handbrake it turns off your daytime running lights, making you even MORE of a target ;)



That is sooooo true!

[Unoriginalusername]

That is sooooo true!

two people who can't read :chuckle

[m_bisson]

pretty sure i can read.... you never specified day or night in your post. maybe YOU can't read.

[Unoriginalusername]

pretty sure i can read.... you never specified day or night in your post. maybe YOU can't read.

"rather than pain the asphalt red" is what i said... you find your brake lights lighting up the pavement in mid day?

[Strongjag]

HID tails. Next big thing. So JDM.

[S.F.W.]

ok folks, please stay on topic.

[Kiyomi]

this ticket really has nothing to do with safety as you can argue that you were keeping with the flow of traffic which is safe. it really is just to meet the monthly quota they need... wonder why they set up speed traps and pull over 100s of cars at the end of certain months lolz. If you fight it gl as it was weird that he came after you after the fact when you were in the gas station. but as for insurance, they gonna get you no matter what unless u get/or have gotten the ticket thrown out. ( i got a minor ticket and it ended costing me 700$ more a year on insurance...). its all about the money, and not so much safety. gl! :D

[Default User]

... wonder why they set up speed traps and pull over 100s of cars at the end of certain months lolz.

Myth. (info given to me from a 43 Division officer)

Each officer is given a different date (ie. 15th of every month, every 5 weeks, etc) otherwise everyone will drive stupidly all month until the last week when cops are supposedly writing any random ticket to fill month-end quotas.

Look at today, I passed 2 speed traps within 3 blocks today on the way home from work. No way they're being proactive and getting an "early start" in 40-degree weather.

[Kiyomi]

Myth. (info given to me from a 43 Division officer)

Each officer is given a different date (ie. 15th of every month, every 5 weeks, etc) otherwise everyone will drive stupidly all month until the last week when cops are supposedly writing any random ticket to fill month-end quotas.

Look at today, I passed 2 speed traps within 3 blocks today on the way home from work. No way they're being proactive and getting an "early start" in 40-degree weather.

my point exactly, 2 speed traps within 3 blocks??? really necessary? the end of every month doesnt necessarily run with the police fiscal year. in any case, pulling over cars for doing 10-20 over one after another, is not making driving safer, in fact, driving in markham is getting worse, nuff said. Just wait till the new mall 4xtimes bigger than pacific mall comes up in a few years, gonna be chaos!

[Noisy Crow]

this ticket really has nothing to do with safety as you can argue that you were keeping with the flow of traffic which is safe

He was ticketed at 149, and was probably going faster than that. He also said that traffic was moving at 130-140. Which means that he was going a good 25-30 km/hr faster than the "slow" traffic, and around 15 km/hr faster than the "fast" traffic. Not exactly "keeping the the flow". As I said before, the first rule of speeding is to be less noticeable than most everyone else. Blowing past everyone else isn't going to do the trick.

[migo]

Wow... three years is too much!

I did not know that.

In case I fight for it, as BlackIce said:

I would say that I was going with the flow of traffic. (Which was true)
I will have to explain that he never really pulled me over, he just followed me till I stopped. He never really signalled me to pull over either. (lights on).

Dude, you don't have any case. The cop doesn't need to pull you over. He doesn't even need to use a radar: he'd just follow behind you and check his speed.
You are being too naive about the system. Like others say, the cop gave you a huge break. Don't ever speed 150, you'll be in huge HUGE trouble.
Go 115 and you should be fine. If you go 120, you may or may not be stopped depending on the cop and the time of the month.

Unless the cop doesn't show up, you'll lose the case 100%. Assuming the copy shows up, the real question is how much you can reduce your speed. If you could drop to 30 over, then it will be good. Less fine + less insurance hit. I don't know what people are telling you, but insurance companies look at two things:
1. Number of convictions
2. The seriousness of each conviction (i.e. number of demerit points. If you are driving 150 over or failing to stop near school bus or driving without valid insurance, your current (or future) insurance will take a much bigger hit than if you were driving with more than one licence or not wearing seat belt or something like that).

Anyhow, my advice to you is fight it.
Your court date will be about 1 year from now. You'll come to court, your speed will most likely be dropped to 30 over + fine will be less.
Plus judge will probably give you 30 days to pay the fine.

Your insurance hit will start when you RENEW your plate sticker (that's when you will write your INSURANCE COMPANY). The MTO will report to your insurer ALL of the convictions that you've collected. Your tickets will stay on your record for 3 year. However, cops will NEVER erase their info (even if they tell you they did).
So, the next time a cop pulls you over (even 10 years from now), he'll know that you were doing 149 over. And he will also know what exactly "149 over" means.
So, be careful from now on.

Good luck.

Good luck.

[Krazy]

Dude, you don't have any case. The cop doesn't need to pull you over. He doesn't even need to use a radar: he'd just follow behind you and check his speed.
You are being too naive about the system. Like others say, the cop gave you a huge break. Don't ever speed 150, you'll be in huge HUGE trouble.
Go 115 and you should be fine. If you go 120, you may or may not be stopped depending on the cop and the time of the month.

Unless the cop doesn't show up, you'll lose the case 100%. Assuming the copy shows up, the real question is how much you can reduce your speed. If you could drop to 30 over, then it will be good. Less fine + less insurance hit. I don't know what people are telling you, but insurance companies look at two things:
1. Number of convictions
2. The seriousness of each conviction (i.e. number of demerit points. If you are driving 150 over or failing to stop near school bus or driving without valid insurance, your current (or future) insurance will take a much bigger hit than if you were driving with more than one licence or not wearing seat belt or something like that).

Anyhow, my advice to you is fight it.
Your court date will be about 1 year from now. You'll come to court, your speed will most likely be dropped to 30 over + fine will be less.
Plus judge will probably give you 30 days to pay the fine.

Your insurance hit will start when you RENEW your plate sticker (that's when you will write your INSURANCE COMPANY). The MTO will report to your insurer ALL of the convictions that you've collected. Your tickets will stay on your record for 3 year. However, cops will NEVER erase their info (even if they tell you they did).
So, the next time a cop pulls you over (even 10 years from now), he'll know that you were doing 149 over. And he will also know what exactly "149 over" means.
So, be careful from now on.

Good luck.

Good luck.

very well put. sticky this lol

[alho]

Dude, you don't have any case. The cop doesn't need to pull you over. He doesn't even need to use a radar: he'd just follow behind you and check his speed.
You are being too naive about the system. Like others say, the cop gave you a huge break. Don't ever speed 150, you'll be in huge HUGE trouble.
Go 115 and you should be fine. If you go 120, you may or may not be stopped depending on the cop and the time of the month.

Unless the cop doesn't show up, you'll lose the case 100%. Assuming the copy shows up, the real question is how much you can reduce your speed. If you could drop to 30 over, then it will be good. Less fine + less insurance hit. I don't know what people are telling you, but insurance companies look at two things:
1. Number of convictions
2. The seriousness of each conviction (i.e. number of demerit points. If you are driving 150 over or failing to stop near school bus or driving without valid insurance, your current (or future) insurance will take a much bigger hit than if you were driving with more than one licence or not wearing seat belt or something like that).

Anyhow, my advice to you is fight it.
Your court date will be about 1 year from now. You'll come to court, your speed will most likely be dropped to 30 over + fine will be less.
Plus judge will probably give you 30 days to pay the fine.

Your insurance hit will start when you RENEW your plate sticker (that's when you will write your INSURANCE COMPANY). The MTO will report to your insurer ALL of the convictions that you've collected. Your tickets will stay on your record for 3 year. However, cops will NEVER erase their info (even if they tell you they did).
So, the next time a cop pulls you over (even 10 years from now), he'll know that you were doing 149 over. And he will also know what exactly "149 over" means.
So, be careful from now on.

Good luck.

Good luck.

Really? When you renew your plates, the MTO sends info directly to your insurance company? Don't the insurance companies pull up your abstract before renewal of insurance?

[Krazy]

Really? When you renew your plates, the MTO sends info directly to your insurance company? Don't the insurance companies pull up your abstract before renewal of insurance?

Also.. if you renew or get new insurance... they will pull your records.

[Noisy Crow]

Also.. if you renew or get new insurance... they will pull your records.

Not necessarily. If you change insurance companies it's pretty much a guarantee they'll check, but for renewals they don't always check.

[Slade]

Not necessarily. If you change insurance companies it's pretty much a guarantee they'll check, but for renewals they don't always check.

Yup, I rolled a car and had a careless driving hit against me. Insurance didn't change at all as I didn't change companies for 3 years.

had it reduced but I still had a 3point ticket and $175 fine, and my insurance company didn't do anything about it, they only reason they knew about the accident was because someone tried to put a new mailbox through the claim. (After I went to all the peoples mailbox I demolished and advised them I was replacing them personally)

All depends on luck with your insurance checking or not.

[runner2k]

Yup, I rolled a car and had a careless driving hit against me. Insurance didn't change at all as I didn't change companies for 3 years.

had it reduced but I still had a 3point ticket and $175 fine, and my insurance company didn't do anything about it, they only reason they knew about the accident was because someone tried to put a new mailbox through the claim. (After I went to all the peoples mailbox I demolished and advised them I was replacing them personally)

All depends on luck with your insurance checking or not.


Slade, who are you insured with?

[runner2k]

Just an update,

I will not fight for the Ticket. I know I broke the law. I shouldn't have done this and I learned with it. It could have been much worse....

I will renew my Stick on August. I will let you guys know whether MTO will report to my insurance company (TD Insurance)

[Slade]

Slade, who are you insured with?

I was under my parents with State Farm at that time.

Funny thing is when I got my Mazda3 they wanted over $500 month to insure me.

I'm with The Personal now through work. I pay $110month for my truck with a $250 deductible and full coverage (26/M/No tickets now), and it did NOT go down when I turned 25.

[runner2k]

Hey guys,

Look what I've received today from Ministry of transportation...

This is becoming a nightmare!! Any advice? What is going to happen after 30 days? I'll have the same driver's license right? What if I just pretend I haven't received this letter and forget about it? :P

:bang

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[Strongjag]

Wait... you were going 50+km/h over the limit without your G?

Happened to a guy at my high school, became uninsurable when he got his licence back.

[Darkice]

Wow shitty to hear man never speed if u dont kno the area , but knowing me i speed ever even in the city 20 or 40 over amd no tickets gotta kno where the cops are all at

[aris]

I'm pretty sure you drop back to g1 if you break some of your conditions that are in place with g2

Also mostly likely you will have to go to facility insurance which mean your looking at over $5,000 + insurance

Maybe next time you will learn to slow down

[runner2k]

Wait... you were going 50+km/h over the limit without your G?

Happened to a guy at my high school, became uninsurable when he got his licence back.

I have a G2 License. I had a quebec license(like a G license) and I converted it to Ontario Driver's license. I was given a G2 license.

I did 49km/h over. I remember doing 140km/h.

[iconicrocket]

Double Ouch!!!



Another thing worth mentioning, is that I find that there's always a police car parked near the Sunnybrook hospital on Bayview at night time. Guess they don't like people speeding in and around hospitals.

[runner2k]

I'm pretty sure you drop back to g1 if you break some of your conditions that are in place with g2

Also mostly likely you will have to go to facility insurance which mean your looking at over $5,000 + insurance

Maybe next time you will learn to slow down

Aris, I did not find this information regarding dropping back to G1. I've checked everything on the web and the letter doesn't say anything about it. It says that I will have my Driver's license suspended for 30 days.. (Ouch, that sucks, birthday month...)

[aris]

Aris, I did not find this information regarding dropping back to G1. I've checked everything on the web and the letter doesn't say anything about it. It says that I will have my Driver's license suspended for 30 days.. (Ouch, that sucks, birthday month...)

Ya I think your right... You don't go back to G1.. You keep your G2.

The only thing is your insurance will take a hit lol

If I were you I would submit my licenses ASAP... The quicker you do the quicker you get this over with lol

[Strongjag]

I have a G2 License. I had a quebec license(like a G license) and I converted it to Ontario Driver's license. I was given a G2 license.

I did 49km/h over. I remember doing 140km/h.

Quebec doesnt use a graduated licensing system so its still the correct equivalent and if the ticket states that you were doing 149, then thats the minimum you were gunned at or tracked at. Cops dont add onto tickets. If they want to ding you for more, theres lots of things they can add based on discretion alone.

If you just have your G2 I'm pretty sure that you have to go back to your G1 and have to retake your road test to get back onto your G2 as you accrued more Demerit points than is allowed on your G2 licence. Thats after you serve your suspension and get insured. Also, if you got a ticket worth that many points its better to inform your insurance company because if they find out after the fact that your licence was suspended you will be dropped and have to get facility insurance.

Like they said it will likely be well over 5000$ a year especially if you were on your g2 and if you are under 21, which I'm going to assume you are since you dont have your G.

[Strongjag]

Class G2 Drivers Licence holders accumulate the same demerit points for offences as all other drivers.

Upon the accumulation of six (6) demerit points the Ministry of Transportation may suspend the driver's licence or require the driver to attend at the offices of the MTO to show cause why their drivers licence should not be suspended.

Upon the acclimation of nine (9) demerit points the MTO will immediately suspend the driver's licence for thirty (30) days.

As a Class G2, or M2 driver, if you get two or more demerit points, you will be sent a warning letter.

At six demerit points, you may have to go to an interview to discuss your record and give reasons why your licence should not be suspended. If you don't attend, your licence may be suspended for non attendance.

At nine points, your licence will be suspended for 60 days from the date you surrender it to the Ministry of Transportation. You can lose your licence for up to two years if you fail to surrender your licence. A driver's licence may be surrendered at any Ministry of Transportation Vehicle Licence Issuing Office.

.

[Strongjag]

4 Points



Exceeding the speed limit by 30 to 49 km/h

Following too closely


So do you have any other tickets? Because if the ticket was only 4 points, you shouldnt have lost your licence.

[Strongjag]

After the suspension, you may be required to complete a driver re-examination (vision, knowledge and road tests). If you successfully fulfil your requirements you will have your driver’s licence reinstated and the number of points on your record will be reduced to seven. Any extra points could again bring you to the interview level. If you reach 15 points again, your licence will be suspended for six months.

All from MTO

[runner2k]

The thing is.. THe car and auto insurance is under my name but I'm willing to get out of the picture and do the insurance under my wife name. She drives it 5 days per week. I only drive it on weekends.

I don't know if I can do it though.

I will give my Driver's license away next week...




Ya I think your right... You don't go back to G1.. You keep your G2.

The only thing is your insurance will take a hit lol

If I were you I would submit my licenses ASAP... The quicker you do the quicker you get this over with lol

[runner2k]

Quebec doesnt use a graduated licensing system so its still the correct equivalent and if the ticket states that you were doing 149, then thats the minimum you were gunned at or tracked at. Cops dont add onto tickets. If they want to ding you for more, theres lots of things they can add based on discretion alone.

If you just have your G2 I'm pretty sure that you have to go back to your G1 and have to retake your road test to get back onto your G2 as you accrued more Demerit points than is allowed on your G2 licence. Thats after you serve your suspension and get insured. Also, if you got a ticket worth that many points its better to inform your insurance company because if they find out after the fact that your licence was suspended you will be dropped and have to get facility insurance.

Like they said it will likely be well over 5000$ a year especially if you were on your g2 and if you are under 21, which I'm going to assume you are since you dont have your G.

I'm turning 24 next month. I've been driving since 2005. more than 60-month of experience right there. They are rats, they want you to get a G2 to go through all the process and pay more and more... I had to rent a U-HAUL in Montreal-QC. Not a problem at all because I had a Class 5 license (FULL G). So, in Ontario I am not qualified anymore to rent a U-HAUL? LoL!!

so sad..

[runner2k]

So do you have any other tickets? Because if the ticket was only 4 points, you shouldnt have lost your licence.

first ticket.

[runner2k]

I dont think there will be a downgrade because they would have to written in the letter. Also, an interview would be required to explain why I was doing 149..

[Strongjag]

So when you switched from Quebec to Ontario, did you ask why your full licence was lowered to a restricted one?

[Strongjag]

I'm turning 24 next month. I've been driving since 2005. more than 60-month of experience right there. They are rats, they want you to get a G2 to go through all the process and pay more and more.

It has nothing to do with people paying more money.

[Noisy Crow]

Read here:


http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.shtml

to know why your licence was suspended.

[runner2k]

So when you switched from Quebec to Ontario, did you ask why your full licence was lowered to a restricted one?

Because they do not take experience from other country! lol!

[runner2k]

Read here:


http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.shtml

to know why your licence was suspended.

I did read it!

As a Class G1, G2, M1 or M2 driver, if you get two or more demerit points, you will be sent a warning letter.
My case. $150


At six points, you may have to go to an interview to discuss your record and give reasons why your licence should not be suspended. If you don't attend, your licence may be suspended.

Not my case.


If you are a novice driver and are convicted of violating any novice condition or a Highway Traffic Act offence which carries 4 or more demerit points or receive a court-ordered suspension for an offence that would have resulted in 4 or more demerit points, you will receive the appropriate penalty under the Novice Driver Escalating Sanctions program($$$$$).
I believe is my case as described in the letter.

[Strongjag]

So then, why the issue?

[bluemazda3]

I suggest submitting ur license ASAP... faster u do.. faster u get it back... good luck with ur insurance too.... :bang