standback or piggy-back system 2010+ 2.5l

[Kiyomi]

Just wondering if anyone has heard if there is a programmer or tuning device for the 2010+ 2.5l engines? been looking around, but havent found nything except for standalones worth $1500+, which is way too much for a n/a tune. anyone?

[Fack_Dude]

Dude. Your just wasting your money and time for your car. How much hp are you expecting to get from tuning.

[Chuckie]

Done properly, reasonable to expect 10-15 horsepower.
Now can we get back on topic please.

[Kiyomi]

Dude. Your just wasting your money and time for your car. How much hp are you expecting to get from tuning.

lmao, all i was asking was if there is one or not. once i have all the bolt-ons i want, just wanna get it tuned for fuel consumption purposes for daily driving/track purposes, and good afr.

[Kiyomi]

back to the topic, debating whether or not to go with the universal fic from Aem. nyone tried this yet?

[standsideways]

back to the topic, debating whether or not to go with the universal fic from Aem. nyone tried this yet?

Like fast guy said, dont waste your time and money, unless you plan on doin a high compression build+cams.

The money spent wont be rewarded..

Get boosted ;) thats a good 5k spent :)

[Kiyomi]

Like fast guy said, dont waste your time and money, unless you plan on doin a high compression build+cams.

The money spent wont be rewarded..

Get boosted ;) thats a good 5k spent :)

I want to go with the n/a approach. getting boost on a 2.5l motor when its not built for it would not be reliable. especially from what ive heard of the 2.3liter motors. the ms3 2.3 is specially built to withstand the boost and heat pressure. no doubt i would prob have to spend another 4-5k just replacing engine parts with forged parts to reliably run a turbo. sides no turbo or s/c kit out for the 2010+, asked already and was quoted 7k for a custom turbo kit, custom piping etc. mite as well buy a new car.
I still wanna c ur custom turbo, bet its sweet. u goin to the photoshoot?

[sol_searchin]

If your worried about reliability than go the supercharger route, pretty sure F2 either has one available or is in development. Going N/A on any engine costs big bucks to achieve anything decent. A standalone/piggy back are both ok depending on your budget, to maximize the HP you would need to do all bolt ons for it to be even worth it.

[FLIPDADY]

If your worried about reliability than go the supercharger route, pretty sure F2 either has one available or is in development. Going N/A on any engine costs big bucks to achieve anything decent. A standalone/piggy back are both ok depending on your budget, to maximize the HP you would need to do all bolt ons for it to be even worth it.
Dude F2 is no longer around.

[WingZero_]

. sides no turbo or s/c kit out for the 2010+


Wrong. GP Werks has a stage 1 and 2 kit. Give them a little more time and they will be offering a tuning solution (XFR) with their kits. Oh and they kits definitely aren't 7gs

[Kiyomi]

If your worried about reliability than go the supercharger route, pretty sure F2 either has one available or is in development. Going N/A on any engine costs big bucks to achieve anything decent. A standalone/piggy back are both ok depending on your budget, to maximize the HP you would need to do all bolt ons for it to be even worth it.

just about to have all my bolt-ons on tommorow in fact. ud be surprised how many n/a engines win at track events, and again many of them put alot of money into it. plus again f2 is no longer around. and to wingzero, i dont want predetermind mapping, just a piggyback system for a dyno place to tune afr, and timing properly. but i appreciate more options. depending on how the install of my parts goes and how the engine runs. mite not need or want a tune. also gotta test it on the track again.

[sol_searchin]

If I were you my next purchase would be a cams, than I would save up for a standalone and do those both at the same time. Like I said, it's hard to pump out a lot of power on a N/A motor unless you throw money at it.

[Kiyomi]

after everything is installed, gotta c how the car is running.

[aZuMi]

Saw this at M3R, a vendor called DP Tune is offering ECU reflash for 2010+ 2.5L for $500 and 2.0L for $450.


I'm actually kinda interested on the gains of the ECU reflash - but then again I don't want to be the first for this one :chuckle



Price= $450 plus shipping
Worth it= YES!

Backround:
2010 Mazda 3 2.0L automatic with the sportshifter. CS SRI and CBE w/o race pipe or highflow cat.

First Drive:
After I installed the ECU I started it up and let it run for five minutes or so. I noticed the exhaust sounded a little different but I think that was from the little bit of 87 octane that was left in the tank. I pulled out to go to the gas station and I immediately felt a little bit more pull not even going over 2500 rpm. I didn't drive it too long before I put 91 octane in it. I drove around after that for a good 30 miles and I could deffinately feel a difference. In the lower rpm's, it pulls better and it feels smoother. So the "driveability" around town is improved. When I went WOT, HOLY SH!T. That was where I felt the biggest difference. I was just going to go from 0-60 but ended up hitting 80 and the speedometer climbed really fast (sorry no times yet). I was very suprised at how fast I hit 60. With the rev limiter gone, I let it get up to around 7200 rpm before I shifted into second gear and I don't remember if I put it in third before hiting 80. Going through sharp turns, I could deffinately feel more power coming out of them. It was alot of fun especially going through the turn with the rpm's high and really pulling hard out of it.

I do not understand why no one from this forum has gotten a reflash from dynotronics. This is deffinately the best mod out there for our cars short of a turbo or supercharger. Joe said the HP gains for the 2.0 are 10-16hp. I don't know about the torque but I could feel a good difference in both across the whole power band. Removing the ECU was easy. I can post a HOW TO thread if anyone wants me too but if you can take out your battery, you can remove your ECU. Joe is a very nice guy and great to work with. I Fedex priorty overnighted the ECU to him Tuesday and I had it back Friday same week.

Also, I did not do any data logging to get this reflash and I still see very impressive gains!


http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2010-mazda-3-engine-performance/8103-dptune-reflash-review-2-0-a-10.html

[Kiyomi]

still kinda skeptical about this ecu reflash. i heard from somewhere, that its a hit or miss with some cars.

[WingZero_]

Saw this at M3R, a vendor called DP Tune is offering ECU reflash for 2010+ 2.5L for $500 and 2.0L for $450.


I'm actually kinda interested on the gains of the ECU reflash - but then again I don't want to be the first for this one :chuckle




http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2010-mazda-3-engine-performance/8103-dptune-reflash-review-2-0-a-10.html

JackF on that same site has the tune and he will be dynoing shortly. He has before dynos as well, and has been logging six the tune, so you will be able to know for certain if there are gains once he does that.

[aZuMi]

JackF on that same site has the tune and he will be dynoing shortly. He has before dynos as well, and has been logging six the tune, so you will be able to know for certain if there are gains once he does that.

Thanks for the update Wing. I'll keep an eye on that thread to see how it goes.

[Kiyomi]

keep us updated, cause my car cant get any worse on fuel mileage than rite now.

[standsideways]

keep us updated, cause my car cant get any worse on fuel mileage than rite now.

So right! Im getting more gas mileage on my turbo3 than your 2.5l :( :( :(

Dont waste time with flashes, boost it or build it.

[Kiyomi]

So right! Im getting more gas mileage on my turbo3 than your 2.5l :( :( :(

Dont waste time with flashes, boost it or build it.

haha serious eh. lolz, i was at half tank when we first got to cayuga, then i was on e when i left, and it said i had 10 kms left... lolz

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Saw this at M3R, a vendor called DP Tune is offering ECU reflash for 2010+ 2.5L for $500 and 2.0L for $450.


I'm actually kinda interested on the gains of the ECU reflash - but then again I don't want to be the first for this one :chuckle

http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2010-mazda-3-engine-performance/8103-dptune-reflash-review-2-0-a-10.html

I'm betting that the reflash by DP Tune is from Piasini

[WingZero_]

JackF has his car dyno'd this week post tune, and his previous dyno included a header, magnaflow exhaust, cs intake, and intake manifold. His pre-tune dyno was for the intake mani. Then the dyno before that his numbers were actually higher, so the intake mani, isn't the best for the car. But either way the tune shows decent gain.


I had my car dyno'd earlier this week below you will see my NET gains. I've been running the tune since 8/24.Overall I am pleased with the tune so far.... my fuel mileage has not suffered at all, car pulls harder and smoother. I'm going to send Dynotronics my current data logs as there is always room for improvement :tongue:

KEEP IN MIND my results ARE NOT going to be the typical. You may see higher results on a stock 2.5L MZ3 or with more basic bolt-ons. I am running the Godspeed (Cosworth clone) Intake manifold.... so my car wont behave like stock and my HP and TQ curve looks completely different!

"before run "8/19/11- "after run" 10/4/2011 -This is comparing the 3rd pull of 3 which produced the highest peak #'s during both sessions.

RPM__HP Before/After=Net gain___TQ Before/After =Net gain
2600__66.3 / 69.2 = +2.9____________133.9 / 139.7 = +5.8
2700__68.8 / 72.5 = +3.7____________133.8 / 141.0 = +7.2
2800__71.5 / 75.3 = +3.8____________134.2 / 141.3 = +7.1
2900__74.8 / 78.3 = +3.5____________135.5 / 141.8 = +6.3
3000__78.6 / 81.9 = +3.3____________137.7 / 143.3 = +5.6
3100__82.4 / 85.5 = +3.1____________139.7 / 144.8 = +5.1
3200__85.7 / 88.8 = +3.1____________140.6 / 145.7 = +5.1
3300__88.6 / 92.2 = +3.6____________141.0 / 146.7 = +5.7
3400__92.8 / 95.3 = +2.5____________143.4 / 147.3 = +3.9
3500__96.0 / 98.1 = +2.1____________144.0 / 147.3 = +3.3
3600__98.5 /100.8= +2.3____________143.7 / 147.1 = +3.4
3700__101.1/102.6= +1.5____________143.5 / 145.6 = +2.1
3800__103.2/104.2= +1.0____________142.7 / 144.0 = +1.3
3900__105.5/106.4= +0.9____________142.1 / 143.3 = +1.2
4000__108.1/109.0= +0.9____________141.9 / 143.1 = +1.2
4100__110.6/111.2= +0.6____________141.7 / 142.5 = +0.8
4200__112.6/113.7= +1.1____________140.8 / 142.1 = +1.3
4300__115.4/116.9= +1.5____________140.9 / 142.8 = +1.9
4400__118.2/120.3= +2.1____________141.0 / 143.6 = +2.6
4500__120.7/123.3= +2.6____________140.9 / 144.0 = +3.1
4600__123.6/126.3= +2.7____________141.1 / 144.2 = +3.1
4700__126.0/129.1= +3.1____________140.8 / 144.3 = +3.5
4800__128.0/131.4= +3.4____________140.0 / 143.7 = +3.7
4900__129.4/133.7= +4.3____________138.7 / 143.3 = +4.6
5000__130.9/136.1= +5.2____________137.5 / 143.0 = +5.5
5100__132.7/138.1= +5.4____________136.7 / 142.2 = +5.5
5200__134.3/140.5= +6.2____________135.7 / 141.9 = +6.2
5300__136.2/142.4= +6.2____________135.0 / 141.1 = +6.1
5400__138.5/144.5= +6.0____________134.7 / 140.5 = +5.8
5500__140.3/146.1= +5.8____________134.0 / 139.5 = +5.5
5600__141.9/147.9= +6.0____________133.1 / 138.7 = +5.6
5700__144.0/150.1= +6.1____________132.6 / 138.3 = +5.7
5800__146.1/152.1= +6.0____________132.3 / 137.7 = +5.4
5900__148.2/153.7= +5.5____________131.9 / 136.8 = +4.9
6000__150.3/155.6= +5.3____________131.5 / 136.2 = +4.7

[Kiyomi]

how much for the tune? which website can i get a phone number to ask questions?

[WingZero_]

A quick google search would have given you this: http://www.dptune.com/dpt_012.htm

Do a search on the boards here too, as someone in Ontario was offering tunes for the previous gen, so I am sure they can do the 2.5. As it is all based upon Piasani tech, meaning if one place has the know how, any one else that is Piasani affiliated will be able to do it.

Price, for the tune is ~500$, buying or renting a data logger ~250$, dyno time ~250$. So it is a commitment. After seeing Jack's numbers I am going to wait to see if a Hypertech ever hits the market for us.

[Kiyomi]

A quick google search would have given you this: http://www.dptune.com/dpt_012.htm

Do a search on the boards here too, as someone in Ontario was offering tunes for the previous gen, so I am sure they can do the 2.5. As it is all based upon Piasani tech, meaning if one place has the know how, any one else that is Piasani affiliated will be able to do it.

Price, for the tune is ~500$, buying or renting a data logger ~250$, dyno time ~250$. So it is a commitment. After seeing Jack's numbers I am going to wait to see if a Hypertech ever hits the market for us.

i have actually been following this, seen u and ur friends post on the other site. I would love to do this, but i cant have my car off the road for 4-6 days. plus like you said, maybe another will come out hopefully. not in a huge rush to gain 5 whp, but would be nice.

o and the one that was tuning previous or reflashing, cant get a hold of, based in ottowa?

[WingZero_]

Yeah I believe that is where they were/are located.

[Kiyomi]

bringing my thread back to life.
edit: does anyone know a diy of getting the gen 2 ecu out of the car???
i know its somewhere under the battery, but has anyone done it?

[aZuMi]

Took this right off M3R forums:


If it is close to a MS3 it is fairly easy. So need to remove the battery box so here we go.
Take cover off battery box
Remove negative terminal clamp
Remove positive clamp
Remove the front piece, you will need to pop off a few plastic pieces that use this piece as support
Remove the ECU cover
Take off the two harnesses onto the ECU, there is a trick to this, look at it, press the center portion and unlatch
Take the hold down piece off the battery, two screws, and take battery out
Remove the battery box, three screws hold it down, you will need to pull the front up a little and pull it out.
ECU is on the side of the battery box, there are a few screws hold it in place

This is off of memory, hope it is close.

Z

Link to thread (http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2010-mazda-3-engine-performance/9983-removing-ecu.html)

I think more and more guys in US are starting to send their ECU to Dynotronics. Will you be sending yours to them too?

[Kiyomi]

i cant c what the actual ecu looks like cause i cant c any more threads on that site...

[Kiyomi]

edit, finding details on the re-flash and possible mass re-flash meet in t.o. :D./

[aZuMi]

edit, finding details on the re-flash and possible mass re-flash meet in t.o. :D./

With Dynotronics?

[Kiyomi]

With Dynotronics?

yeah, just checking if they might consider coming to t.o.

[Chuckie]

interesting, keep me posted.

[iGOzoom]

Dynotronics is usually at vagkraft every summer in August (or they've had a booth there set up for the past 2 years)

[aZuMi]

Here's the most recent review from M3R forums.


Well first off, the tune wasn't exactly what I had expected to be. I guess you can say I expected wayyyyy too much from this, for example I expected different shift points, seeing the tachometer go into the redline and such, because a buddy of mine got his tahoe tuned and that's what they had done for him, although I was able to see my speedometer finally go above 118, I got to about 125 and didn't wanta push my luck going any further. Joe informed me that the tachometer was off and he did change the engine rpm's.

He believes originally it was at 5800 and he changed it to 6500, but the tachometer doesn't go pass 6200, which in all honesty I don't get because I feel the engine stall when the tachometer reads 6200. Plus SLABY had said he let his 2.0 go to 7200 rpms with an automatic (http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2010-mazda-3-engine-performance/8103-dptune-reflash-review-2-0-a.html) I figured since I had a better engine and the headers, my tune would have been even better than Slaby's. I don't know I'm just a little confused as to what was to be expected from this tune. Also on previous posts that I've seen posted by Joe, he had said 18-25 whp gain for 2.5. In all honesty I don't see/feel that gain

So lets start,

Price for 2.5L = $550
Worth it = I would still have to say Yes
Performance Mods: CS SRI, RB exhasut, MSDS headers
Details: I did datalogging and I'm using 93 octane

I did notice a bit difference with the tune, it took a couple of miles for it to break in and for the ECU to see the changes I guess. I feel that my 0-60 pulls a bit harder as it gets there quicker. The throttle response feels better, alot less lag. It feels more crisp when you step on it. I wish I had done a before and after dyno but I had to save that money for new tires, which I already ordered. Hankook Ventus V12 K110, same size as original tire.

I do come out of turns a bit quicker. Overall though, I don't know, from seeing Jackf's and Slaby's review I was just expecting to be in like a WOW/Shocked mode, but unfortunately I really wasn't. I know my review might not have been what people expected and it might be a bit disappointing to some, but it's just an honest review from what I felt with this tune. But remember every car is different so some might get a better result than I did.

Perhaps later on, I can go back and do some more datalogging and make some changes or something but as of now I wasn't so much shocked with the tune but more like "ok this is pretty cool". I see this tune more as a better driveability than a performance tune.

Joe's a great guy and really knows his stuff, he is a bit hard to get a hold of but as you can imagine, he is a busy guy. Would I recommend this tune? I would say go for it, but don't get your hopes all that high, thinking you can be in 2 fast 2 furious or something.

Like I said, this is just an honest review from what I've felt. If anyone has questions, post and I'll do my best to answer what I can.

In summary...don't expect high hp and high tq, but more on the overall driveability of the car. Biggest fail in this review is he didn't dyno before and after - no facts and all subject to interpretation.

Another interesting aspect in the thread is there's an app in iphone/itouch that can connect with the car and you can run diagnostics. May have been covered in other topics, but I still think it's pretty cool.

http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2010-mazda-3-engine-performance/10049-dynotronics-2-5l-tune-review.html

[Kiyomi]

yeah, the tune is good for driveablity. plus i understand you wont get much hp/tq compared to boosted applications. the saying goes 100 bucks for 1 hp. the other guy who did the tune got around 5-8 whp throughout the range, not 18-25. dynoed. cant find the thread rite now.

[zzz3]

he spent $550 on a tune and couldn't scrape together $120~ total for before/after dyno?

http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/png/misc-jackie-chan.png

[CelestSpeed3]

Hey Justin, I've got a piggyback that is brand new that you can use to tune your car. The same piggyback was used to tune a twin turbo Mazda6 V6 so it will be able to do the 3 no problem. Its tunes injection pulse width for fuel adjustment, and has a A/D/A converter for timing adjustment so you should be able to get the results you are looking for. I'm asking $400 for the unit brand new with software if you are interested.

[Kiyomi]

Hey Justin, I've got a piggyback that is brand new that you can use to tune your car. The same piggyback was used to tune a twin turbo Mazda6 V6 so it will be able to do the 3 no problem. Its tunes injection pulse width for fuel adjustment, and has a A/D/A converter for timing adjustment so you should be able to get the results you are looking for. I'm asking $400 for the unit brand new with software if you are interested.

I am interested. just curious as to which brand of system this is. aem? apexi? also sounds like a great price. but would i be able to tune it myself, or would it have to go on a dyno etc?

[CelestSpeed3]

You can tune it yourself via datalogging and adjustments. The same way you would tune if you had an AP.

Brand is PowerMod (http://www.powermod.com.au/index-1.html) They're founded by a few engineers that left Haltech. It's a very good unit, I sold my 6 for the Speed before I had a chance to install it, the unit cost me around $750.

[Kiyomi]

You can tune it yourself via datalogging and adjustments. The same way you would tune if you had an AP.

Brand is PowerMod (http://www.powermod.com.au/index-1.html) They're founded by a few engineers that left Haltech. It's a very good unit, I sold my 6 for the Speed before I had a chance to install it, the unit cost me around $750.

hey, i would love to get this off of you. and ur positive it would work on my n/a 3? if yes, lemme know when u are available so i can pick it up. :D

[CelestSpeed3]

It works on any car, you just need to wire it up.

I'm home tomorrow till about 4:00pm.

[terapr0]

sorry to revive this, but did you end up going through with the powermod unit, and if so, how's it working out for you??
Still interested to hear about this

[Kiyomi]

sorry to revive this, but did you end up going through with the powermod unit, and if so, how's it working out for you??
Still interested to hear about this

this thursday will be my fourth time going to APH to try and get this done. hopefully it works. fingers and toes crossed.

[Jackal]

this thursday will be my fourth time going to APH to try and get this done. hopefully it works. fingers and toes crossed.

Good luck. Hope it works and you get HP gains and a bonus - better fuel economy.:)

[kilo4321]

this thursday will be my fourth time going to APH to try and get this done. hopefully it works. fingers and toes crossed.

also curious about this. keep us posted! if it works well, may do the same thing come march when the snow comes and goes

[Kiyomi]

dunzo. :D will be posting results.

[loosecannon]

dunzo. :D will be posting results.

By the look of that big smiley, everything went smoothly?