Going BIG

[CelestSpeed3]

Well here we have my prep to go BIG. I have a spare engine in my garage although not in working order, it will be rebuilt as a spare for when I decide to do something BIG. The spare transmission looks like it will be here around the end of January or early February. Both of these will be put together to make a complete spare powertrain. Should anything happen I'll only be looking at a day or so of downtime to swap the motor and transmission.

Now for the interesting part. I have ordered a TIG welder and a bead roller (although once I get the welder I may just make a bead roller to save some $$). I want to make parts that are the way I want them. I'm tired of people charging a top dollar for not so top parts. So if you guys can think of anything you want made up let me know and we can make this happen.

As some of you know, I have a big hard on for twin scroll. So my BT will be twin scroll, it's now just a matter of options and setup. A few things that I have had a hard time figuring out is what effect does a different AR turbine housing have on our setup. I know what AR stands for an means, and I know the difference between the different sizes. What I don't know is how this affects performance on our platform, this is compounded by going twin scroll.

Before we go any further let's review the goals of my platform. +400whp (or as close as the stock fueling system will get me) and as good of a spool as I can get. I want to chase the modded M3's at the track. leading me into the next part of this, having higher torque at lower RPM's just results in wheel spin and spending money on tires. So would it be advantageous to go with a larger turbo or would it be better to limit torque via tuning in the lower RPM band and lower gears.

My guess would be to do a twin scroll GTX3076 now the question of which turbine housing. From what I can find online, most people who have gone twin scroll suggest that a divided T4 flange is better than a divided T3 flange. After looking at the size of our exhaust ports and the size of the divided housings I will have to agree with this. The other issue is the divided T4 flanges start with an AR of about 1.06 and go up from there. most of these setups are on GT35 turbos,. The reports seem to suggest that the divided 1.06 housing spools faster than the 0.63 undivided housing. If I were to use this same housing on a GTX3076 would I experience the same effect as with the GT35? Could I get the GTX3076 to spool as if it had the ATP 0.55 housing while still making the top end power that would be possible using a larger AR turbine such as a 0.84?

[BlueStreak]

There is such thing as spooling too fast causing compressor surge. I have experienced this since going forged.

I'll explain on Tuesday.


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[CelestSpeed3]

You're running the ATP housing right?

So could the surge simply be from the turbine AR being too small?

I think i read the ATP turbine is .55 AR is that right?

[loki]

what's happening on Tuesday?

[Fobio]

You're running the ATP housing right?

So could the surge simply be from the turbine AR being too small?

I think i read the ATP turbine is .55 AR is that right?

EdgeAutosport has confirmed that ATP now has 0.72 A/R for the GTX for MS3's.

[BlueStreak]

Bastards! Friggin hell, Vince. Friggin hell...

Yeah, my ATP hotside is small enough to surge the turbo on spool up.


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[CelestSpeed3]

Well . . . . Now that they offer a reasonable AR sized turbine I wonder if there is any need for twin scroll other than bragging rights.

I didn't think the 0.55 AR turbine would flow enough air to take advantage of the GTX's new compressor wheel. I wonder now if Dave is starting to surge on a 0.55 turbine, then he would be running some pretty quick spool even on a 0.72 turbine. I wonder how much he would gain on the top end with the new turbine?

[CelestSpeed3]

Tuesday we are taking apart the motor that i got. The previous owner tried to change his own timing chain. We'll see what kind of damage he did.

[CelestSpeed3]

Spoke with Leen and no more twin scroll manifolds will be made, so much for that.

Now its just a matter of A T3 flange for using different turbine housings, but if ATP changed from a .55 to a .72 that won't be needed either.

[CelestSpeed3]

Took the motor apart with Dave yesterday, everything looks pretty good. The only issue was this.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6587854455_f88576e81b_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6587854455/)
engine 2011-12-27 at 19-21-17 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6587854455/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

See what happens when you try to change your timing chain without the proper tools. Oh well, there loss my gain.

[CelestSpeed3]

On to the next step.

I'd like to run inconel exhaust valves on this build. So far the only valves I have been able to find are +1mm inconel valves for the NA 2.3 engine. The valves are the same size except for the stem. The turbo valves are 0.5mm thicker. This prevents them from being a direct swap without swapping the valve guides. So I picked up the two valve guides to compare them.

On the left you have the NA 2.3 valve guide and on the right you have the Turbo 2.3 valve guide.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6607769771_316cfaf658_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6607769771/)
Engine 2011-12-30 at 13-50-09 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6607769771/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6607770423_37e348da34_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6607770423/)
Engine 2011-12-30 at 13-49-31 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6607770423/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6607771147_f45dc5b644_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6607771147/)
Engine 2011-12-30 at 13-52-10 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6607771147/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

At first glance they appear to have the same height and the same OD. The only difference that is noticeable is that the chamfered edges on the valves are at different angles. The inside diameter is of course larger on the turbo valve guide as expected. The turbo valve guide on one edge is bored slightly larger and looks to be about 3-4mm deep. The turbo valve guide also has a machined edge on the outside of the opposite end of the larger bore. At this point I can only assume that it is there to tell you when you have pressed the valve guide far enough in the head.

Next week I will be taking the head and the new guides to the same machine shop that built Bluestreak's two engines. So they are plenty familiar with the 2.3L DISI engines already. I hope they can give me some answers as if the NA valve guides are compatible or not.

[BlueStreak]

Badass, Paul.

Should be a screamer once you're done :-)

[CelestSpeed3]

i think against all advice.

I'm going to do +1mm intake valves. Live life on the edge, someone has to try it. I'll build another head in case it goes south.

[CelestSpeed3]

The head is going to the machine shop tomorrow to see what kind of damage was done on the valves.

I also ordered something very very interesting for this build. . . . pics to follow when it arrives.

[BlueStreak]

I'm nursing wood here man.

Good stuff.


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[CelestSpeed3]

Here's the latest update.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6652517807_76511e6e66_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6652517807/)
Engine 2012-01-05 at 16-46-29 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6652517807/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

Here was the damage done to the exhaust valves. Each valve was around $45 at the dealer so it turns out it's cheaper for me to swap the valves out to inconel valves from Supertech which are $25 each.

Some news on the valve guides. THEY WORK !!! for anyone looking to do inconel exhaust valves you will need to change the valve guides. The stock valve has one side counter bored this is done to relieve some of the heat on the valve. Your machine shop should counter bore the new guides to the same size and depth as the OEM guide. This should be very easy for them to do. Other than that the guides are a direct swap.

Part # for the new guides are LFY1-10-281

This is one of the intake valves that were removed.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6652517349_35b4ee8afb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6652517349/)
Engine 2012-01-05 at 16-46-10 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6652517349/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

This motor had about 100,000km (~60,000miles) The carbon buildup was pretty bad. This was to be expected though. My intake valves and seats will also be over-sized, so PFFF to those who say it can't be done. The maximum oversize the stock seat and valve can accommodate is about 0.5mm. Since my exhaust valves are getting a +1mm and the intake will be matched at 0.5mm. This should be almost equal in terms of surface area added to both sides. The intake side can be over-sized to +1mm but it will require changing the seat. I didn't feel the cost involved would net me what it was worth.

This an example of how much the exhaust side is opened up during porting just to give some people an idea of what happens during this process if you haven't seen it before.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7142/6652518465_50312460c4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6652518465/)
Engine 2012-01-05 at 17-15-32 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6652518465/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

[Kappa]

this is pretty cool stuff. wish i understood most of what you where talking about but i guess that just means i gotta read more haha

[BlueStreak]

Haha. CA used my gaskets and never gave them back. :-p

Looking good man.


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[Mr Wilson]

Those valves look awful. Thanks for the update!

[CelestSpeed3]

So I know I'm going to piss Dave right off with this post.


I have found a complete valve train for our cars in the Ferrea Catalog. These are for the 2.3L Ford Duratec motor, however from the looks of things it will be a complete drop in. By complete valve train I mean, valves, guides, seals, springs, retainers, locators and seals.

I'm just waiting on CA to confirm this for me this week.

[BlueStreak]

CA and I are like this *twists fingers together*. They'll build your head, swap it into my car and give you mine.

It's the perfect crime.

[CelestSpeed3]

Tomorrow the big order goes through for all of the engine parts. I'm pretty surprised at how cheap everything was considering the parts and work involved. Big surprise should be here next week I hope, and I think I got all my odds and ends covered.

[Polish_Eagle]

So what's the list of parts you're ordering and what machine work are you doing on the engine? I'm curious what you decided to go with.

[CelestSpeed3]

Cp-e stage 2 pistons, and carillo rods. Competition Automotive is doing all the engine work, the same shop that did Dave's motor and Serge's.

[Unoriginalusername]

Wow just reading all this now, awesome build.

[CelestSpeed3]

Well . . .

Carrillo has a 6 week back order on the rods that I wanted, so I guess we play the waiting game.

[Mr Wilson]

That's shitty.

[Fack_Dude]

Well . . .

Carrillo has a 6 week back order on the rods that I wanted, so I guess we play the waiting game.

You can always buy Daves motor and not wait. Lol.

[BlueStreak]

The motor has your name on it Derek. Haha.

That sucks about the rods. Really makes it iffy to have the car ready for the NATOR meet in Jersey. I guess I'll be having somebody riding shotgun :-p


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[CelestSpeed3]

So a new toy came in the mail today. A special thanks Eric and JP at Edge Autosport you guys are the best.

So here it is. GTX3076 with a Tial 0.82A/R turbine housing.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6716590491_12632ac5c3_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6716590491/)
Engine 2012-01-16 at 17-11-14 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6716590491/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6716591045_eea7c29e59_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6716591045/)
Engine 2012-01-16 at 17-11-30 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6716591045/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6716591579_07420d96dd_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6716591579/)
Engine 2012-01-16 at 17-12-09 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6716591579/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6716592263_948176ba65_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6716592263/)
Engine 2012-01-16 at 17-13-11 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6716592263/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

I will be using this with a Tial 38mm wastegate, hopefully that will be enough.

Now the sad news, the carrillo rods I wanted are on a 6 week back order. So we now have a 6 week wait.

[loki]

sexy

have you tried to stick your dick in it yet? have you at least thought about it?

[Mr Wilson]

Loki, think you're going to have to get Jerry's turbo.

[loki]

just looking at that turbo, you're gonna have to do some fabricating to get it to work no?

cuz I cannot figure out how you would mount this

[CelestSpeed3]

I think Derek is going to have to get Dave's motor.

This turbo is pretty light I was expecting it to be heavier. I'll let Dave comment on it when he sees it tomorrow to tell me if it's actually lighter or not.

[loki]

Loki, think you're going to have to get Jerry's turbo.

depends on the price

[CelestSpeed3]

I'm sure you can pay for it with a few BJ's. Use the barter system!!

[BlueStreak]

Oh mah gad that hot side is SEXY!

*fap fap fap*


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[Thrizzl3]

That thing is huge!


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[BlueStreak]

That thing is huge!


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That's what she said!


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[Polish_Eagle]

LMAO!


Sick turbo Paul, definitely look forward to seeing what your DP and manifold setup will look like!

[CelestSpeed3]

Nevermind to get a downpipe i had to buy 3 v-band downpipes. So there will now be 2 up for grabs in my garage as soon as i get them.

[-cj-]

I've got some v-band parts kicking around (Authentic TiAL weldable vband flanges for your dump tube), including a TiAL 45mm (MVR?) EWG if you want to go that route. Brand new, never installed.

Loki/Mr. Wilson/Celest, I totally like where you guys are headed with this barter system...

[CelestSpeed3]

I've got a Tial 38mm gate already. Hopefully it will be big enough. PM me with the mv-r price and details.

[breakfasteatre]

turning into msf. small meetup tomorrow at daves to compare coc... i mean turbos?

[loki]

turning into msf. small meetup tomorrow at daves to compare coc... i mean turbos?

**** you you ****ing noob **** stop being a *** and donate

there. now its MSF

[Mr Wilson]

noodz?

[BlueStreak]

By the time your setup is done, your car should accelerate as hard as this Evo or you should part out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnSg2MJNvU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnSg2MJNvU&feature=related

[loki]

Ok I want mine to do that

[AlphaMotorsports.ca]

By the time your setup is done, your car should accelerate as hard as this Evo or you should part out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnSg2MJNvU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnSg2MJNvU&feature=related

holy shit!

[BlueStreak]

Friggin eh. That thing is a missle.

This car apparently runs the TiAL Q BOV. Is this the one you'll be running Paul? Fack, I want one...

[CelestSpeed3]

Yes the Tial Q is going on the car.

[BlueStreak]

Yes the Tial Q is going on the car.

Anybody want to run a super sweet GT3071R setup that has seen love on a forged motor? I need me a GTX3071 with a proper hot side and a TiAL Q BOV.

Damnit man, I have to stop hanging around you. My wallet hates me.

[Mr Wilson]

Anybody want to run a super sweet GT3071R setup that has seen love on a forged motor?

Loki.

[Fack_Dude]

Loki.

Mr. Wilson????? Lol

[Mr Wilson]

The wife would be super happy....unemployed husband with a super-cool-awesome big turbo setup that made him broke.

Or........sell wife for big turbo.....hmmmm

[Thrizzl3]

The wife would be super happy....unemployed husband with a super-cool-awesome big turbo setup that made him broke.

Or........sell wife for big turbo.....hmmmm

LMFAO! you would..

[BlueStreak]

You don't have to sell her. Just rent her out a couple times a week. I heard it pays well and the tax man doesn't have to know.

EDIT: Just realized we pooped all over Paul's amazing thread with worthless posts. Argh... Sorry Paul :(

[loki]

Paul's thread sucks. Nothing has started yet. this is way more entertaining

[CelestSpeed3]

Paul's thread sucks. Nothing has started yet. this is way more entertaining

+1


Parts on a 6 week wait.

[Kris"Speed3"CWP]

Awesome cant wait for the results, then you can do a video like the evo but with another Gen2 speed lol. What you going to do next swap in the MS6 drive-train to hook up like that EVO?

[CelestSpeed3]

Most of my parts will be here tomorrow. I can finally get the head finished.

Rods, ewg, and bov to follow next week. Then i can get the block finished.

Any recommendations on which clutch to use for my install?

[breakfasteatre]

Most of my parts will be here tomorrow. I can finally get the head finished.

Rods, ewg, and bov to follow next week. Then i can get the block finished.

Any recommendations on which clutch to use for my install?

in fitting with the theme this week.

couple of paper plates

[CelestSpeed3]

Ditto, i like royal plates. Just to make it more fun, I'll stack a few of them with a couple of real plates between them and call it a multidisk.

[CelestSpeed3]

Finally received some new parts today, Supertech Inconel valves and the CP-E Stage 2 pistons.

Valves
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6830928117_dc99f552b7_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830928117/)
Engine 2012-02-06 at 11-33-53 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830928117/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6830924925_2832000410_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830924925/)
Engine 2012-02-06 at 11-33-06 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830924925/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

This is the Supertech Inconel +1mm Exhaust valve. To fit these in the MZR turbo engine just swap out the valve guides for the NA motor. Easy breezy. I have the valve seals too but I didn't see the point in photographing them.


On to the pistons.

The CP-E stage 2 pistons are similar to the design of the Gen2 stock pistons but I don't have any of those to compare them too so I took some photos next to a gen1 piston since I figure this is what most people have anyway.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6830927331_019fcc6883_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830927331/)
Engine 2012-02-06 at 11-41-09 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830927331/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7032/6830926659_0a9f1b21c5_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830926659/)
Engine 2012-02-06 at 11-44-15 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830926659/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6830925687_7de3195280_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830925687/)
Engine 2012-02-06 at 11-44-48 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830925687/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6830929029_b6c7d342d5_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830929029/)
Engine 2012-02-06 at 11-45-12 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830929029/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6830929665_770ba5388c_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830929665/)
Engine 2012-02-06 at 11-43-29 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6830929665/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

I don't think anyone has shown this pistons next to the stock ones before so feel free to discus.

[BlueStreak]

Badass man.


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[CelestSpeed3]

I really wanted to try the CP-E stage 3 pistons but they are only available with the shortblock stage 3. I cannot justify $6500 USD for a shortblock with K1 rods. I would have loved to get it to have the ERL liners and upped to a 2.4L but the K1 rods turned me right off. Not to mention the Stage 3 pistons looks like little happy faces. Smiling all the way to victory.

[-cj-]

Couldn't you request a custom stage3 build? I doubt these engines are sitting there, ready to be sold?

This looks like a crazy build. It'll be interesting to see you and Dave battling it out on the track this summer.

Once you guys have perfected your builds, I'm looking to you and Dave to get started on a revo knuckle swap ;)

[CelestSpeed3]

I'd like to do a revo-knuckle, but I prefer the GM design with the build in camber adjustment like on the Buick Regal GS. I would settle for the Ford Focus system, I just want to drive it before committing. Really it's just a matter of swapping parts so it's not really a big deal. Maybe when a few of the Focus' end up in the wreckers it should be pretty cheap to do .

EDIT: The stage 3 pistons are proprietary to the ERL liners, not to mention the cost of just the bottom end is about the same price as my whole build so far.

[CelestSpeed3]

Fonally have some news, the last of my engine parts arrived today. Now all I'm waiting on this the machine shop.

My manifold is another 2 weeks out, the only other parts to get are a clutch and intake manifold. Hopefully CPE releases their intake manifold before summer.

[BlueStreak]

Post noodz.

[loki]

Paul's garage is so cold...serious shrinkage might occur...might

Makes me feel normal

[Fack_Dude]

I still can't feel my nutzzzzzzzzzzzz........thats how cold i was....................lol

[CelestSpeed3]

Don't worry guys. I'll bring the big heater from work.

Someone just needs to bring the propane.

[joedemarco]

I wont be much help, but if I can make it I can bring a few ceramic heaters that we use to do work on our motorcycles...heats the garage up pretty well, we usually work in t-shirts.

just putting it out there.

[CelestSpeed3]

I got my Tial stuff in this week and I took the time today to assemble the wastegate today. The BOV comes ready to go and it's in the garage so I didn't bother taking photos of it.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7059/6780287660_c0517b6f6d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6780287660/)
Tial 2012-02-23 at 11-11-00 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6780287660/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

Fully assembled this thing is HUGE.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/6780287290_e1739749db_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6780287290/)
Tial 2012-02-23 at 11-12-36 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6780287290/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

I also cleaned up what was left in the garage today, so Nator North is officially ready to go.

EDIT: As per Vince's recommendation I set the wastegate up for 7psi, it comes with springs from 4.5psi to 21psi between all the combinations.

[Mr Wilson]

That thing is beautiful!

[CelestSpeed3]

It will be a work on art when everything is finally installed and running.

[breakfasteatre]

the crazy thing is how close in size it is to the turbo itself. heh. its going to be beautiful.

paul, are you going for a red theme?

[CelestSpeed3]

Yes Sir.

Dave did blue already, and I think the red will look good contrasting the blue of my car.

The wastegate is bigger then my turbine housing, the inlet on the turbo is bigger though.

[BlueStreak]

Red will look badass on the blue background.

TiAL Q pics plz :) I needz teh fap fodder.

[Fobio]

Paul...run the 14psi spring to start!

[CelestSpeed3]

Okay will do, I'll swap it out now.

[CelestSpeed3]

Just for you Dave

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6926574095_ed414dd4fa_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6926574095/)
Tial 2012-02-23 at 16-23-09 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6926574095/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7194/6780456378_c68c29bb24_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6780456378/)
Tial 2012-02-23 at 16-23-35 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6780456378/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7208/6780456726_634b4b0996_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6780456726/)
Tial 2012-02-23 at 16-23-13 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6780456726/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

[BlueStreak]

So sucking fexy!

I'm obviously going to have to hold that in my hand before I go out and buy one. :P

[CelestSpeed3]

okay vince, I changed the springs to 14.5psi according to the chart. I had to put my whole body weight in the compress the thing. I really hope I don't have to open that guy up again.

[loki]

Shit you need custom Intercooler piping to mount that bov too...

You're crazy

[CelestSpeed3]

If you get the cpe front mount they make the flange to mount this BOV. You would need to mount the recirculating one though.

I got lucky with the build a lot of the stuff i needed to be made custom started coming out recently. If cpe resleases the downpipe for the new manifold and wastegate then other then the intercooler setup everything was pretty much bolt on.

[loki]

If you get the cpe front mount they make the flange to mount this BOV. You would need to mount the recirculating one though.

I got lucky with the build a lot of the stuff i needed to be made custom started coming out recently. If cpe resleases the downpipe for the new manifold and wastegate then other then the intercooler setup everything was pretty much bolt on.

That's good. I'd avoid custom fab as much as possible. Would get real expensive real fast as you lready know..

[CelestSpeed3]

The only thing that I had custom made are the 3 downpipes. I'm going to use one for my build with a screamer pipe.

The other 2 will be available to whoever wants them at cost $350, if they want to do a custom V band.

[CelestSpeed3]

Here's the latest mock up of something I received in the mail recently. Before you ask, the compressor housing is not clocked properly. I haven't decided which way to mount it yet.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6956042467_37679091cd_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6956042467/)
engine 2012-03-04 at 11-24-04 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6956042467/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7054/6956041783_cb925c88c7_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6956041783/)
engine 2012-03-04 at 11-24-42 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6956041783/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7054/6809931010_7334c6df40_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6809931010/)
engine 2012-03-04 at 11-25-42 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/6809931010/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

A few notes about the manifold.

The entire mocked up setup as you see if here is 37.5lbs according to the bathroom scale.

The wastegate is a bitch to install you really have to force the seat down to mount it. I highly doubt anything will leak ever out of the wastegate.

The wastegate design is not optimum for flow but due to chassis constraints it's the best you're going to get.

The manifold as seen in the first picture has recesses for the stock bolts so it's easier to get tools around the nuts.

[BlueStreak]

Beauty!

Test fit and run on my car? Haha.

[CelestSpeed3]

I would honestly, but we still need the DP.


The head studs have easy access with the manifold. You could probably take it off from just top of the car.

[fywdyl]

Beastly.... but sexy at the same time...

[Fobio]

I would honestly, but we still need the DP.

The head studs have easy access with the manifold. You could probably take it off from just top of the car.

Those relief cuts...they look like nothing to the untrained eyes or may look inferior to a solid flange, but all high hp turbo manifolds that are properly designed run those cuts...just like the better manifolds for the EVO and STi's.

[Mr Wilson]

Thanks for the new background. Any news on the arrival for the downpipes?

[CelestSpeed3]

I'm expecting june.

My bead rollers should be here in April.

[-cj-]

I took off my steedspeed entirely from the top of the car... Maybe that's why I was cursing like a sailer half the time lol.

That thing looks sexy! You could turbo charge your HVAC system if you leave it clocked that way :chuckle

[Fobio]

I think you'll get mad donation in the NATOR garage if you whore out your mock-up. I'm sure guys will pay serious $$$ to spend 15 min alone with that thing.

Think of all the guys fapping to it already...lol...

[CelestSpeed3]

Vincent put the idea in my head a long time ago to run the IC piping under the car instead of over the motor.

I think I'm going to give it a shot, I'm just debating between a TR10 core or a TR12 core, both will be 4.5" thick.

[Mr Wilson]

What size piping? Enough room with the under tray installed?

[BlueStreak]

Incognito piping would me motha f**kin badass!

DO IT!

[CelestSpeed3]

2.5" piping.

Yes I think there is enough room, if not I'm going to make a new under-tray.

I think it will be fun making everything at Nator North. I'm going to put it on the map one way or another.


Back to the manifold, there are only 2 things it's missing. An EGT bung, and ceramic coating, both will be addressed before install.

[Fobio]

Back to the manifold, there are only 2 things it's missing. An EGT bung, and ceramic coating, both will be addressed before install.

Let me know where you decide to get it CC'd and if I can talk to Quy for you.

[CelestSpeed3]

I'm going to wait for the DP to get here and have everything done at once. I was thinking of doing the entire cat-back too since it's easier than wrapping everything.

[Fobio]

I'm going to wait for the DP to get here and have everything done at once. I was thinking of doing the entire cat-back too since it's easier than wrapping everything.

Black cat-back is the way to go...I wanted it done too.

When I get mine in, I'll have it CC'd along withthe DP aswell.

[Mr Wilson]

Seems like you went with the better mount.

Click (http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f498/edgeautosport-shop-car-goes-bt-107114/)

[CelestSpeed3]

I went vband before this manifold was available. Things just worked out.

[Fobio]

I went vband before this manifold was available. Things just worked out.

I had a feeling that Mazda flange would **** us...I just had a feeling!

That comment about the CP-e mani with the Mazda flange not fitting the CP-e dp is funny, but it's so eff'd up man...

[CelestSpeed3]

I don't think so.

The downpipe has a second 02 bung, problem solved. Aside from that CP-E has a downpipe that is paired to this manifold, but they haven't released it yet, and I don't want to know what they are going to charge for it. I have a feeling though when that downpipe hits the market, it will be hard to even consider an ATP setup unless you are on a budget.

[Fobio]

I don't think so.

The downpipe has a second 02 bung, problem solved. Aside from that CP-E has a downpipe that is paired to this manifold, but they haven't released it yet, and I don't want to know what they are going to charge for it. I have a feeling though when that downpipe hits the market, it will be hard to even consider an ATP setup unless you are on a budget.

I will tell Neil that...but I don't think he's planning on a new DP! It looks bad, but at least we'll know it before going in.

Well, me on the other hand, made the change in order, so I'm going v-band Tial...kinda got lucky.

[CelestSpeed3]

Remember its custom-performance engineering, not bolt-on-performance engineering. Some of there stuff needs a little tweaking here and there.

[BlueStreak]

Well, me on the other hand, made the change in order, so I'm going v-band Tial...kinda got lucky.

:headbang

[loki]

Remember its custom-performance engineering, not bolt-on-performance engineering. Some of there stuff needs a little tweaking here and there.

It shouldn't though. Not for what they charge!

[CelestSpeed3]

The alternative is making it youself. The manifold is actually a pretty sweet deal though.

The front mount on the other hand . . . .

[loki]

On a side note, price of manifold is up to $900 now

And with that, I have whored my way to 2000 posts

[CelestSpeed3]

$900 are you serious. wow, i paid way way less than that.

[loki]

$900' are you serious. wow, i payed way way less than that.

The $699 was a promotional price

Edit: still says $699.... Mr Wilson lied to me...

[Fobio]

On a side note, price of manifold is up to $900 now

And with that, I have whored my way to 2000 posts

now and forever.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zHB2hj9PSD4/T1WNcDHl5bI/AAAAAAAAEsE/Ne6esk539wQ/s622/2000post.jpg

[Mr Wilson]

Guess I was looking at MSRP, whoops.

[CelestSpeed3]

BACK FROM THE DEAD, or rather the machine shop.

I finally got the head back and the block is dropped off.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7102/7198826880_5d6a671d4d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/7198826880/)
Engine 2012-05-14 at 16-47-37 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/7198826880/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7244/7198825392_2e262d0ec1_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/7198825392/)
Engine 2012-05-14 at 16-48-15 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/7198825392/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr


http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5038/7198824304_ef04a2cc7d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/7198824304/)
Engine 2012-05-14 at 16-50-01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/7198824304/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr

Everything is nice and ceramic coated, will the coating make a difference only time and tuning will find out.

[Thrizzl3]

CA did a sick job on that! when is the block going to be ready?

[Fobio]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a5GThSmCoM8/T7F3nm4fIUI/AAAAAAAAFLA/SWrjVj2zbGA/s399/287066.jpg

[BlueStreak]

That thing is an absolute work of art.

Throw up an intake port shot. The workmanship there is also just as incredible.

EDIT: Any concerns about gasket sealing on the exhaust with the heat dissipating spray? Doesn't look like it was masked.

[CelestSpeed3]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8148/7198977218_fd2540dd1d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/7198977218/)
Engine 2012-05-14 at 17-30-33 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59066744@N04/7198977218/) by Celestial View (http://www.flickr.com/people/59066744@N04/), on Flickr


Intake port work.

[Mr Wilson]

Going stage III :D pistons?

[mspeed3]

wow... that is all..