New 2012 headlights??!!

[Aitch]

All the pre-production/press cars had the same headlights that are featured on Mazda's website (both in Canada and the US) but so far, I haven't seen them on any cars. The only difference so far have been the blue-trimmed rings on SkyActiv cars like mine. Somehow this guy (http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/new-member-introduction-forum-news-guide/9722-my-wifes-2012-mazda-3i-grand-touring-merry-christmas.html) got the new headlights on his car??? Are they finally rolling them into production, or only in some markets?

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3649/img0432ps.jpg

Promo image, for reference:
http://images.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/musa2/images/garage/gallery/2012/m3h/pho_gallery_M3H_ext1.jpg

I'm going to feel a little cheated if they are coming to Canada in 2012s.

[cwp_sedan]

Need an account to see the first pic. nm fixed it.

[PR3Y11]

i'm pretty sure that's a chick aitch lol

[Aitch]

i'm pretty sure that's a chick aitch lol

Thanks :P the OP was male, that's his wife. My bad on the syntax here.

Sent from my phone using 1s, 0s, and radio waves.

[SonicBoy]

I bet this is another mid year switch that will come down later in the production run.

The 2nd promo image really makes them look like a pair of blue eyes gazing at you now.

[cwp_sedan]

What exactly is different about the 2? It's hard to tell from the angles. Different interior colouring and different high beam setup?

From Mazda website also
http://images.mazda.ca/MciWeb/images/garage/gallery/2012/m3s/pho_gallery_M3S_ext3.jpg

[SonicBoy]

Seems to have built in eyelids on the top and bottom. Mascara?

[Aitch]

There is not such a large outer orange reflector, and the inner high beam reflector has been replaced with something that is much smaller. I haven't been able to confirm if these are supposed to be the bi-xenon lights, but the owner who posted has a US i-model which is our GX/GS, so they shouldn't be factory HID.

[Aitch]

Update: apparently US models with the 'tech' package get thoe headlights. Qu'est que le f*ck Mazda?

[n00bMeiSter]

So what lights do you have then? And were you supposed to get those funky new lights?



Thanks :P the OP was male, that's his wife. My bad on the syntax here.

That chicks married?! She's like 15!




Qu'est que le f*ck Mazda?

LOL! I haven't heard that expression in years.

[Aitch]

I have lights that look just like the GX/GS lights since 2010, except there is a slight blue tint around the low beam projector.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7035/6552374359_608a17c45e_b.jpg

I wasn't expecting to get the new lights, as I assumed it was only the pre-production/press cars that had them - all the dealer cars etc had lights like mine. Still, I'm annoyed Mazda changed the lights in the US but not here (or at least, we haven't got them yet). The big high-beam reflector is the one thing I've always disliked, so short of getting a GT (with the Nagare-inserts) I would have liked the US version.

I can't claim I'm the only person who thought up the French WTF translation, but FWIW I know I didn't hear it from anyone else, started using that on my own a few years ago.

[htc***]

Look like, Mazda3 has a new headlight. According of this article (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/12/review-2012-mazda3-sedan-skyactiv-g/) (December 28, 2011) said picture courtesy media.mazda.ca

Picture size is too big and I just put up the link

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/12/2012-Mazda3-SKYACTIV_12.jpg

[Aitch]

Dug a bit more on the USA website, this is the Tech Package (http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsSpecs2&vehicleCode=M3H) for SkyActivs.


Technology Package
- Self-leveling Bi-Xenon High-Intensity-Discharge (HID) headlights
- Adaptive Front-lighting System (AFS)
- Auto on/off headlights
- Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) System
- Rain-sensing windshield wipers
- SiriusXM Satellite Radio with free 4-month subscription
- Antitheft alarm system

So these are replacing the 2010-2011 bi-xenon headlights with the Nagara inserts. Perhaps this is also in part of the response to the headlight fogging issues in the earlier years.

Wonder if the 2012 GTs in Canada are getting these lights? As I mentioned, still haven't seen them in Canada but I don't think I've seen Canadian 2012 GTs yet.

[Aitch]

However this guy (http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=201514.0) with a 2012 s-model/GT got the old headlights. So they must be a rolling production change.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/dshawley/frontshot3.jpg

Anyway, knowing they are only for the bi-xenon lights makes me feel a little better, as I knew I was missing out on a couple of GT-level options by going with the Skyactiv instead. Overall the GS engine/trans was more appealing to me than getting a 2.5L/normal auto to get the LED tails and bi-xenon headlights.

[/rant]

[htc***]

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/assets/mazda_3_bugs_bunny.jpg


:)

[Mr Wilson]

Someone's reading Insideline!

[Aitch]

Matches the buck-tooth front end (with centre license plate)

[SonicBoy]

I have a 2012 GTE and can tell you I do not have headlights like the ones pictured.

As stated, this is probably a mid production change.

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5891&d=1317523182

[TheMAN]

http://mimg.ugo.com/201104/6/3/7/185736/picard-facepalm.jpg

So much ignorance in this thread it hurts!

Look, ALL of the 2012s have redesigned headlights... the orange reflectors are just a thin strip around the edges.... the skyactiv headlights have the blue ring around the reflectors
the pics in the original post shows that the lights are HIDs because there is no high beam reflector where it normally goes... it is just a lens for the parking light.... in canada, that place is used for the DRL bulb instead when the headlight has DRL... there is a canadian HID skyactiv headlight
sonicboy's pic shows halogen headlights

There is NO mid cycle production changes and we're not "finally getting preproduction" headlights into our cars... the press photos were the finalised designs and we're getting exactly as what was shown since day 1!

anyone still confused?

[The Wolf]

y u mad doe :P

[Aitch]

So much ignorance in this thread it hurts!

Actually, there is some ignorance in your post (we'll get to it) plus lots of the usual arrogance. Additionally, I was asking a question to clear up my own ignorance, and then solved all the questions before you got here.


Look, ALL of the 2012s have redesigned headlights...

Actually, that's not entirely true. In Canada we still have the GX soldiering on without the Skyactiv engine, which will thus not receive either new Xenon or blue-trimmed Skyactiv lights.

Plus, as discussed below, the old headlights with the Nagare-inspired DRL inserts continue on as well. By definition, that's not "redesigned".


the orange reflectors are just a thin strip around the edges.... the skyactiv headlights have the blue ring around the reflectors

Indeed, that's been covered, here and in other threads.


the pics in the original post shows that the lights are HIDs because there is no high beam reflector where it normally goes... it is just a lens for the parking light.... in canada, that place is used for the DRL bulb instead when the headlight has DRL...

Yep, this is what I figured out earlier today, that this is the bi-xenon setup going forward. Honestly, here it is useful to have further confirmation of what this headlight is (no sarcasm here)


there is a canadian HID skyactiv headlight

Really? Because in Candad you can't get a Skyactiv with HIDs. The bi-xenon setup is reserved for GTs with the 2.5L engine. Trust me, I went through the option sheet with my dealer before buying my Skyactiv GS.


sonicboy's pic shows halogen headlights

I'll let Sonicboy post photos of his HID headlights turned on to prove you wrong on this one. The headlights with the Nagara-esque inserts were never supplied with halogen bulbs; the inserts are where the DRLs go on bi-xenon lights (both here and the US).


There is NO mid cycle production changes and we're not "finally getting preproduction" headlights into our cars... the press photos were the finalised designs and we're getting exactly as what was shown since day 1!

anyone still confused?

Maybe you're confused. I've shown two US 2012 cars who got two different versions of the bi-xenon lights. Please let me know how there are mid-cycle production changes?

We've also shown a 2012 Canadian car with bi-xenons using the old setup, whereas apparently ALL 2012 headlights are redesigned?

To sum up:

http://att.unp.im/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

I know you have lots of Mazda knowledge and I appreciate you sharing it on our forums. I wish you wouldn't try and do an info dump in a thread with an arrogant attitude (last three posts I remember reading of yours started with "there's so much ignorance here...") especially when you're blatantly wrong.

[Elusivellama]

Aitch, I seem to remember you owning an '04 ('07). Am I wrong?

[SonicBoy]

I don't have the pics Handy but can attest that with my 2012 GTE I do indeed have HIDS and not Halogens.

I can also confirm that my lights do not look like the ones originally posted.

Elusivellama, Aitch upgraded just this past December.

[Elusivellama]

I don't have the pics Handy but can attest that with my 2012 GTE I do indeed have HIDS and not Halogens.

I can also confirm that my lights do not look like the ones originally posted.

Elusivellama, Aitch upgraded just this past December.

Thanks, that's what I thought.

[htc***]

Really? Because in Canada you can't get a Skyactiv with HIDs.

Fixed.
It's true. Until now, Skyactiv's Mazda3 has no option for HID.


The bi-xenon setup is reserved for GTs with the 2.5L engine. Trust me, I went through the option sheet with my dealer before buying my Skyactiv GS.

+1. You have a Skyactiv GS-L option bcause Skyactiv GS doesn't have the fog lights.

[TheMAN]

Actually, there is some ignorance in your post (we'll get to it) plus lots of the usual arrogance. Additionally, I was asking a question to clear up my own ignorance, and then solved all the questions before you got here.

pot to kettle? your reply is full of arrogance based on your ignorance


Actually, that's not entirely true. In Canada we still have the GX soldiering on without the Skyactiv engine, which will thus not receive either new Xenon or blue-trimmed Skyactiv lights.

the "i" model in the US still has the MZR engine, the Skyactiv engine is OPTIONAL under the "touring" and "grand touring" packages


Plus, as discussed below, the old headlights with the Nagare-inspired DRL inserts continue on as well. By definition, that's not "redesigned".

Indeed, that's been covered, here and in other threads.

they are redesigned in the fact that the orange reflectors are shaped differently in the 2012... it doesn't matter if it's a GX or a skyactiv, or whatever... by that strict definition, the all headlights are redesigned and NOT the same as the 2010-2011, period... save for the ms3 perhaps which received the fewest changes


Yep, this is what I figured out earlier today, that this is the bi-xenon setup going forward. Honestly, here it is useful to have further confirmation of what this headlight is (no sarcasm here)

Going forward? All 2012s with the HID bixenon headlights in the US and the rest of the world has the "block" next to the projector ever since the first ones were sold late last year... it's for the parking light... but canada in their infinite wisdom forbids running full intensity for DRLs and it costs too much to make make HIDs run at reduced output so there are special canadian DRL HID headlights that doesn't have the parking lights but has the DRL bulb in place of where the highbeams would go... I bet you due to visibility rules and glare control DRL rules in canada, mazda chose to continue the older style DRL section of the 2012 headlights


Really? Because in Candad you can't get a Skyactiv with HIDs. The bi-xenon setup is reserved for GTs with the 2.5L engine. Trust me, I went through the option sheet with my dealer before buying my Skyactiv GS.

you can't but doesn't mean it doesn't exist... they show up in the parts catalogue and there isn't a doubt to me that it is a future option



I'll let Sonicboy post photos of his HID headlights turned on to prove you wrong on this one. The headlights with the Nagara-esque inserts were never supplied with halogen bulbs; the inserts are where the DRLs go on bi-xenon lights (both here and the US).

don't waste time... those lights you're talking about are canada only... the US and rest of the world don't have those style of lights and always had the style of HID lights shown in the first post


Maybe you're confused. I've shown two US 2012 cars who got two different versions of the bi-xenon lights. Please let me know how there are mid-cycle production changes?

We've also shown a 2012 Canadian car with bi-xenons using the old setup, whereas apparently ALL 2012 headlights are redesigned?

I think the confusion is with you and me... both pics you posted originally show the same headlights... sonicboy's pic I didn't look closely enough and they are indeed the canada only HID lights

so I was half right and half wrong... but it doesn't change the fact that all 2012s have redesigned headlights, and all the non-canada HID headlights always had that "block" by the projector instead of what you call "nagare style" light in place of where the halogen highbeam goes

[Aitch]

Ok, you've got a pile of stuff going on now, so let's address the biggest issue: whether or not all non-Canadian 2012s have the new redesigned bi-xenon headlights.


don't waste time... those lights you're talking about are canada only... the US and rest of the world don't have those style of lights and always had the style of HID lights shown in the first post

Can we agree that this, a US s-model (from Pittsburgh), has the same style of bixenon headlights as Sonicboy? Whether or not they are the "redesigned" 2012 headlights with new reflectors or not I can't tell and won't argue.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/dshawley/frontshot3.jpg

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5891&d=1317523182

I would be VERY surprised to find that they are different parts, although I'm not a parts guy and perhaps they do have different parts numbers between the US and Canada.

After that, this US i-model Skyactiv surfaces with the new style bixenon headlights which aroused my curiosity.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3649/img0432ps.jpg

Please explain how:

all the non-canada HID headlights always had that "block" by the projector instead of what you call "nagare style" light in place of where the halogen highbeam goes

when clearly the evidence contradicts this (two different US 2012s with different HID headlights).

[Aitch]

continuing with the rest....


the "i" model in the US still has the MZR engine, the Skyactiv engine is OPTIONAL under the "touring" and "grand touring" packages

I haven't seen US dealership order sheets, and I do realize that there are still i-models with the MZR engine in existence (even up here there are 2012 GS with the MZR which are being phased out) however Mazda USA makes no mention of it on their website, or the posted equipment & packages (http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/musa2/pdf/specs/specs_M3H.pdf). Again, I'm not saying its not possible to order one with a MZR engine, but it doesn't appear that they are trying to continue that.


they are redesigned in the fact that the orange reflectors are shaped differently in the 2012... it doesn't matter if it's a GX or a skyactiv, or whatever... by that strict definition, the all headlights are redesigned and NOT the same as the 2010-2011, period... save for the ms3 perhaps which received the fewest changes

Cool, on a technicality you get that one.


... the "block" next to the projector ... it's for the parking light...

Umm, the parking light is the outer amber light that also doubles as a turn signal. Don't tell me that Mazda US has completely different wiring and bulbs in those turn signals and that they don't light up as the parking lights (1st position past the "auto" setting on the stalk) like they do in Canada. I have no idea when the inner "block" lights up in the US, perhaps it also comes on with the outer parking lights and is only used as a DRL where required. The true outside amber parking light is consistent in both countries and has been since 2010.


...but canada in their infinite wisdom forbids running full intensity for DRLs and it costs too much to make make HIDs run at reduced output so there are special canadian DRL HID headlights that doesn't have the parking lights but has the DRL bulb in place of where the highbeams would go... I bet you due to visibility rules and glare control DRL rules in canada, mazda chose to continue the older style DRL section of the 2012 headlights

From 2010-2011 the bixenon headlights in both countries had an inner bulb to serve as DRL in Canada, and whatever in the US. You're right, it is a much better solution than running HIDs at a lower intensity. Perhaps the new 2012 bixenon style doesn't meet Canadian requirements. IF Canada continues to get the old style, I have no idea why. However, as I've repeatedly posted, there is evidence to support the running production change in the US, so perhaps ours will change too. Maybe consider that instead of just assuming that there will be no change.

Let's be clear in the difference, and what my issue is: I'm saying evidence states there could be a production change, so let's find out/wait and see what happens in Canada; you're saying there will be no change for Canada, based on no evidence and in fact ignoring evidence of such a change in the US.


you can't [order a GS-Sky with bixenon] but doesn't mean it doesn't exist... they show up in the parts catalogue and there isn't a doubt to me that it is a future option

Are you talking about a Canadian Skyactiv HID headlight? or just the US one? And if there is going to be a future option for a Canadian GS-Sky with HIDs, doesn't that constitute...a mid-cycle production change? (when you said concretely that there would be NO production changes, period?)


pot to kettle? your reply is full of arrogance based on your ignorance

My initial post to start this thread was based on ignorance, then throughout the day I managed to sort out the truth to the best of my (and others collective) knowledge. My reply to you was arrogant based on being able to provide facts to back up my thoughts, when you came into the thread boasting all the answers which were clearly contradicted by a number of those facts. In your second post you're also ignoring those facts, so I'll continue with my arrogance.

[SonicBoy]

This has to be one of the most interesting debates I've seen here on TM3.

Very good points made on both sides.

Too bad someone from Mazda Canada could not chime in here.

[paulabreu]

:pop

[TheMAN]

continuing with the rest....



I haven't seen US dealership order sheets, and I do realize that there are still i-models with the MZR engine in existence (even up here there are 2012 GS with the MZR which are being phased out) however Mazda USA makes no mention of it on their website, or the posted equipment & packages (http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/musa2/pdf/specs/specs_M3H.pdf). Again, I'm not saying its not possible to order one with a MZR engine, but it doesn't appear that they are trying to continue that.

look again: http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/musa2/pdf/specs/specs_M3S.pdf


Umm, the parking light is the outer amber light that also doubles as a turn signal. Don't tell me that Mazda US has completely different wiring and bulbs in those turn signals and that they don't light up as the parking lights (1st position past the "auto" setting on the stalk) like they do in Canada. I have no idea when the inner "block" lights up in the US, perhaps it also comes on with the outer parking lights and is only used as a DRL where required. The true outside amber parking light is consistent in both countries and has been since 2010.

Did I say "only" parking light? No. The non-Canada HID headlights have a parking light where the high beam/DRL normally goes... For the US and Mexico, the turn signal still remains the primary parking light while the one by the projector is a secondary one. This is purely for styling reasons since the lights will look pretty stupid with nothing where the high beams normally are... the plus side is, you can safely cut the wire for the turn signal's parking lights and still have a working parking light unlike what some have done to their older 3s already which left them with no parking lights because it is not built into our DOT headlights... Elsewhere, the turn signal is turn signal only and regardless of headlight type, the parking lights are in the spot where the high beams are and is shared with it using a separate bulb when it is a halogen headlight



From 2010-2011 the bixenon headlights in both countries had an inner bulb to serve as DRL in Canada, and whatever in the US. You're right, it is a much better solution than running HIDs at a lower intensity. Perhaps the new 2012 bixenon style doesn't meet Canadian requirements. IF Canada continues to get the old style, I have no idea why. However, as I've repeatedly posted, there is evidence to support the running production change in the US, so perhaps ours will change too. Maybe consider that instead of just assuming that there will be no change.

Let's be clear in the difference, and what my issue is: I'm saying evidence states there could be a production change, so let's find out/wait and see what happens in Canada; you're saying there will be no change for Canada, based on no evidence and in fact ignoring evidence of such a change in the US.

There is no concrete evidence of production changes (restyle) in any build date of 2012 3s

I'll admit though I was wrong about the non-SkyActiv 2012 HID headlights... the 2.5 GT hatchback in the states with HIDs still has the "nagare" style parking lights, but the entire headlight assembly is still different than the 2010-2011 as mentioned earlier about the orange reflector... I haven't seen these cars in person, that's why

ONLY the SkyActiv models will have the block style inner parking lights... and since there is no Canadian SkyActiv with HID option yet, we won't know exactly how the DRL looks like



Are you talking about a Canadian Skyactiv HID headlight? or just the US one? And if there is going to be a future option for a Canadian GS-Sky with HIDs, doesn't that constitute...a mid-cycle production change? (when you said concretely that there would be NO production changes, period?)

I think a Canadian SkyActiv model with HID option is being considered, seeing as the DRL Skyactiv headlight exists in the parts catalogue and mazda has gone through the trouble of assigning a part number, cataloguing, certifying, and possibly having the supplier produce the parts
but it is still NOT a "mid cycle change" to the STYLING, which is what I was trying to say

[Aitch]

look again: http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/musa2/pdf/specs/specs_M3S.pdf

Fair enough, I was only looking at the Sport/hatchback options which has no MZR engines.


Did I say "only" parking light? No.

No, but your first statement implied the inner light was the main parking light when that's not the case. There is a bigger issue out of all this...


The non-Canada HID headlights have a parking light where the high beam/DRL normally goes...

I would argue that, even if the Canada and US lights have different part numbers, they are in fact identical. I'd wager that the US inner "parking light" bulb is the same as the Canadian "DRL" bulb. They are used for different purposes, but the lights and the supporting wiring are essentially the same. I'd bet the US cars have the same "DRL" relay/fuse in the fuse box too.


... the plus side is, you can safely cut the wire for the turn signal's parking lights and still have a working parking light unlike what some have done to their older 3s already which left them with no parking lights because it is not built into our DOT headlights...

Safely "cut a wire"? Actually the best (completely reversible) option on both 1st and 2nd generation cars is to put a small bit of electrical tape over two of the amber bulb's electrical contacts, eliminating the parking light but leaving the turn signal. I've done this on both my cars.


There is no concrete evidence of production changes (restyle) in any build date of 2012 3s.

I'll admit though I was wrong about the non-SkyActiv 2012 HID headlights... the 2.5 GT hatchback in the states with HIDs still has the "nagare" style parking lights, but the entire headlight assembly is still different than the 2010-2011 as mentioned earlier about the orange reflector... I haven't seen these cars in person, that's why

ONLY the SkyActiv models will have the block style inner parking lights...

Ah, now we get somewhere. So it IS true that non-SkyActiv cars don't have the new headlights.

This is the key. Whereas I came into this thread asking "WTF?" and trying to sort what cars get what, you came into the thread and stated as gospel that ALL cars get these new headlights, and then had to backpedal when you found out differently. I'm glad you can admit you were wrong but don't you see why people think you're arrogant?



I think a Canadian SkyActiv model with HID option is being considered, seeing as the DRL Skyactiv headlight exists in the parts catalogue and mazda has gone through the trouble of assigning a part number, cataloguing, certifying, and possibly having the supplier produce the parts
but it is still NOT a "mid cycle change" to the STYLING, which is what I was trying to say

This is splitting hairs. A mid-cycle change to the styling vs the options.....

[TheMAN]

no, the US and Canadian HID headlights are NOT the same, PERIOD.
the Canadian HID lights uses the much larger H8 bulb for the DRL, while the US and rest of world uses the peanut sized W5W (2825) bulb as a parking light... and in the rest of the world, it is used as the only parking light... therefore, you can consider the turn signal bulb's parking light as redundant and is only lit up for the reason of being an illuminated side marker (not required by DOT rules, but required by certain US states), which means cutting wires or taping over the bulb to make it turn signal only is legal

why do you think the 2010 HID headlight recall is unique to canada only?
and just because the fuse box looks the same, doesn't mean it's the same... also the wiring is slightly different between the US and Canadian versions due to the DRL/non-DRL differences

if the lights were the same, then why would mazda have different part numbers between the canadian and US versions? Don't say "because of what it comes with"... nope, mazda stopped selling headlights in their newer cars as "loaded" units... they are now just bare headlight assemblies, with no bulbs or grommets... it simply doesn't make sense to have two different numbers for the same part because that will increase logistical costs

[Aitch]

Hey, look at that. You posted actual information, that makes sense, to clear something up. That makes me happy.

[5_Alive]

They did it with the CX-7.. they installed front-bumper mounted turn signal lamps.
That is a mid-cycle freshening..

[Aitch]

If we're tallying up past refreshes, mid-way through the 2010 Mazda3s they stopped using a different bumper & insert on the GX models here too.

[TheAnswer_03]

Where's Jeff who works at the dealership? Shouldn't he be able to clarify things?

[Enjoi]

Just from my standpoint, I have a Few 12 GT`s here, both with GT-E and without and they dont get the blue-ish ring around the projector nor do we have Tech packages for our 2012 Skyactivs, we do have the 2012 GS Sky with Luxury package that just adds moonroof, leather seats, leather shift knob, power seats, leather console lid. As far as its been shown, only Skyactiv`s have the blue ring and are NOT HID`s. Only GT`s have the Bi-Xenons. Oh, and GT-E`s now have Blind Spot Monitoring! NICE!

On a Side Note..


2012 Speed3`s now have a reddish Tachy and Odometer, Bose is now Standard and side turn indicator, but overall the vehicle still looks the same. Just recieved a 12 Speed 3 Non-Tech in CWP.


http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q179/cloudrae/IMG-20120107-00084.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q179/cloudrae/IMG-20120107-00082.jpg

[Booter22]

If we're tallying up past refreshes, mid-way through the 2010 Mazda3s they stopped using a different bumper & insert on the GX models here too.

best i remember when the front bumpers on the gx was changed they sent a notice out about it, they also removed the exhaust tip on the gx. and made a change to the length in the steering wheel lower V portion. i think there was something else but it was a while back.

[5_Alive]

Just from my standpoint, I have a Few 12 GT`s here, both with GT-E and without and they dont get the blue-ish ring around the projector nor do we have Tech packages for our 2012 Skyactivs, we do have the 2012 GS Sky with Luxury package that just adds moonroof, leather seats, leather shift knob, power seats, leather console lid. As far as its been shown, only Skyactiv`s have the blue ring and are NOT HID`s. Only GT`s have the Bi-Xenons. Oh, and GT-E`s now have Blind Spot Monitoring! NICE!

On a Side Note..


2012 Speed3`s now have a reddish Tachy and Odometer, Bose is now Standard and side turn indicator, but overall the vehicle still looks the same. Just recieved a 12 Speed 3 Non-Tech in CWP.

Correct. Only the Sky's get the blue ring around the projector & it is not HID.

[Aitch]

Fark, MS3's still get the side mirror indicator? Well at least that means the wiring might still be there in the other 2012s.

[Enjoi]

Fark, MS3's still get the side mirror indicator? Well at least that means the wiring might still be there in the other 2012s.

I just realized they deleted memory seats for the Speed3....=/
and the stylized chrome on the shift knobs for MS3 are now the same shiftknob that the GT`s have.

[Sebi]

Side note.. can the "memory" be added back to the seats, are the parts available?

[Enjoi]

Side note.. can the "memory" be added back to the seats, are the parts available?

Just asked service, He pretty much said no. Parts are probably available as replacements but to set up the memory I dont think its possible

[SonicBoy]

:botPlease. This was about the 2012 headlights.