Legalize Marijuana or not?

[Kiyomi]

Should it be legalized or not?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_zIe5OnchNY#!

[Impressive]

100% for the decriminalization/government regulation of marijuana.

[coriolis]

This always gives me a chuckle...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58kGCQLwxU

[zoomahh]

Only problem I have with that, poses a few more questions;
Should the government do what you say..... would they then then also allow anyone to produce/sell/process this marijuana?
Reason I pose this extra question is that if the government allows free production/selling, I think the following problems as a result, would be initiated;

1. government allows open production of marijuana;
Anyone that smokes this stuff knows that depending on who manufactures this stuff currently, can and DOES lace/cure it with all sorts of "illicit" substances to "enhance" it's effects (THC, acid, heroin, MDMA, the list goes on) . And THIS opens up a whole new can of worms. This would mean our gov't when then have to devote a whole new department/system (costing us BILLIONS of $$$) totally devoted to policing, maintaining, selling, etc., not to mention spin off costs that would no doubt follow, such as the revamping of volumes upon volumes of our current laws and justice system that govern the use of/or sale of these illicit drugs.....AGAIN costing us BILLIONS of dollars, not to mention years and years of wasted court time while the bureaucratic lawyers and law makers decide how they're going to proceed.

2. should the government allow anyone to market/distribute/sell this stuff.
Another "red herring" of problems arise as a result of this..
a. would most likely promote cross border trafficking (smugglers getting to border, and once crossed, is now legal)
b. black market production/selling/marketing of said product without the government getting their "cut"

All this is just the tip of the iceberg here fellas. I know what your thinking...he's WAYYY over thinking it...well I'm not really because as I just said, this is just the tip of the iceberg, and it's NOT so clear cut. Anyone that has ever been F*(.)d over by a lawyer in court knows that once lawyers get involved....things get really messy...(I apologize if there are any lawyers on this forum but I'm just speaking from experience)

And if I had more time to think about this question, I could easily come up with more questions, reasons, etc for us to not do this.
Oh, and before anyone thinks this..." he's probably some gov't pogue from revenue Canada, or some conservative a**H#)le"... I mos tcertainly am N O T ! ! ! ! not by a long shot.
I despise the gov't we have here, and the way they govern our taxes (raping us blind) blah blah blah... but that's another story so don't get me started ok... :P

whheew...this has to be my longest post yet :)

[terapr0]

lol I smoked weed every day for over 10years and not ONCE came across any that was "laced" with anything....there's no money to be made by giving away more expensive drugs with weed. Unless you're specifically asking for, and paying for it, it just doesnt happen.

And there's no way the government would allow just anyone to produce / sell marijuana....they'd want to have strict controls over the production / distribution, so they could make sure to extract every last tax dollar. Its just like alcohol or cigarettes - legal to buy, but illegal for a regular citizen to produce and sell.

[FoXy]

Legalize, no...decriminalize...yes. It's still a drug, but dont give someone a record for having a dime baggy, give them a ticket. Anything over an ounce and I say that's not legit.

[Default User]

Trying to tread lightly on this subject, since it is an open forum.

But I will say this.
Alcohol is worse than weed on so many levels, yet it is more socially (and legally) accepted.

There is no dependance on smoking weed. It is not addictive. It is not a gateway drug.

[Slade]

I've smoked for a while now, and I use it to help me sleep at night, if I don't I can be awake some crazy hours. I will admit that I do use for a social thing as well though. I am not a big drinker, so while everyone is around getting hammered and puking, I'm just eating a bunch of munchies :)

I did get stuff that was laced once, and it was crazy, watching a waterfall off the side of a table in a bar with my buddy and the rest of our friends wondering wtf we were doing lol.

I think it should be decriminalized, that's why I go to the freedom frestival every year. (the biggest outdoor venue and also the one with the least amount of destruction (nil), injuries, or police invovled.

[coriolis]

Plus, stoners drive the late night munchies economy, especially downtown. Those small mom and pop restaurants? They love stoners :D

[mazdaspeedemon3]

Trying to tread lightly on this subject, since it is an open forum.

But I will say this.
Alcohol is worse than weed on so many levels, yet it is more socially (and legally) accepted.

There is no dependance on smoking weed. It is not addictive. It is not a gateway drug.

+1



Legalize, no...decriminalize...yes. It's still a drug, but dont give someone a record for having a dime baggy, give them a ticket. Anything over an ounce and I say that's not legit.

+1 Absolutely, Legalize NO it will be worse than it is now... Decriminalize is the way to go...

[Booostin]

If alcohol is worse than weed then why would you say no to legalization? Alcohol is also a mind altering substance and more people die from it so where is the logic in simply decriminalizing marijuana?

[FoXy]

Alcohol is a lost cause, it's already legal, can't take that back now.

[loki]

people don't die from weed, they just get hungry. really really hungry....

[zzz3]

tax it and fix our roads, so i can get to restaurants faster :chuckle

[zoomahh]

Legalize, no...decriminalize...yes. It's still a drug, but dont give someone a record for having a dime baggy, give them a ticket. Anything over an ounce and I say that's not legit.

Exactly, that's what I was trying to think of this morning having a coffee at 0 dark 30 :) yes to decriminalize and NO to legalize. Screwing someone's life over for a freakin joint or a dime bag is a waste of our tax money and not worth court time
Well put Fox :thumbsup

Someone earlier made a comment about weed not being laced with other chemicals because it didn't happen and dealers don't give that stuff away;
It DID happen when I was younger... Acid, and cocaine was not uncommon.... As for the dealers giving it away;
They most certainly did NOT!!! But what they did say was this "you want Acapulco gold? $4 per joint... But I got some mixed with purple microdot (a brand of acid at the time) but these ones are $8 each

[Kessly Snipes]

Legalize, no...decriminalize...yes. It's still a drug, but dont give someone a record for having a dime baggy, give them a ticket. Anything over an ounce and I say that's not legit.

So is alcohol.

I don't smoke (have before), but I see no issue with it. Plus do you realize how much money the gov could make off this? Would help out with debt/taxes.

[Kessly Snipes]

Trying to tread lightly on this subject, since it is an open forum.

But I will say this.
Alcohol is worse than weed on so many levels, yet it is more socially (and legally) accepted.

There is no dependance on smoking weed. It is not addictive. It is not a gateway drug.

You had me until the last sentence. Weak people will get addicted to anything. I have seen guys who cannot go without a joint or 2 a day, and most if not all have moved onto harder drugs at some point. Not saying it happens to everyone, but to say it doesn't happen is just false. Then again, same can be said for some people and booze.

[Slade]

You had me until the last sentence. Weak people will get addicted to anything. I have seen guys who cannot go without a joint or 2 a day, and most if not all have moved onto harder drugs at some point. Not saying it happens to everyone, but to say it doesn't happen is just false. Then again, same can be said for some people and booze.

I have personally smoked for at least 8years, and have only once tried anything else (mushrooms) and they did nothing to me...

We use to go for a dube cruise and then to the theater to watch a retarded movie...one of the guys working there said they were not suppose to let us in...but when you spend $30 person on food they don't really kick you out.

To add, I can't stand having a cigarette either really, the taste just turns me off.

I also take a week off if I need to to, I went all last week without anything because I could feel my belt getting tighter, and know what the cause is..I was itching for some, I did however get barely any sleep....

However, if I am short on money I'm not afraid to have to go without.

Having a toke is a lot more relaxing then sitting down and drinking 5 or 6 beers to me..

[malfunktion]

....Anyone in Aurora want to come over and hit some bongs?? :D


I kid I kid..................

maybe.

[Default User]

You had me until the last sentence. Weak people will get addicted to anything. I have seen guys who cannot go without a joint or 2 a day, and most if not all have moved onto harder drugs at some point. Not saying it happens to everyone, but to say it doesn't happen is just false. Then again, same can be said for some people and booze.


but they dont need rehab or go into convulsions or withdrawal if they dont get to smoke weed. Unlike alcohol or harder drugs
They may be addicted to the habit of their social aspect or lifestyle rythm. But they are not addicted to the weed itself.

Theres a difference between "addiciton" and "dependance"
Angry Birds is addictive. Alcoholism is a dependance.
Even the most addictive toker, will not go into real withdrawal if they cant get get a joint for a day

A gateway drug is the initial substance that leads to harder substance use.
I'm almost certain that 100% of tokers have tried something else before smoking weed on a regular. For instance Cigarettes and / or alcohol.
People dont just jump into smoking weed without getting addicted to a buzz in some other form.

[Default User]

Alcohol is a lost cause, it's already legal, can't take that back now.

they banned it before

[Slade]

but they dont need rehab or go into convulsions or withdrawal if they dont get to smoke weed. Unlike alcohol or harder drugs
They may be addicted to the habit of their social aspect or lifestyle rythm. But they are not addicted to the weed itself.

Theres a difference between "addiciton" and "dependance"
Angry Birds is addictive. Alcoholism is a dependance.
Even the most addictive toker, will not go into real withdrawal if they cant get get a joint for a day

A gateway drug is the initial substance that leads to harder substance use.
I'm almost certain that 100% of tokers have tried something else before smoking weed on a regular. For instance Cigarettes and / or alcohol.
People dont just jump into smoking weed without getting addicted to a buzz in some other form.

Peer pressure.

[Default User]

Peer pressure.

same peer pressure probably got them hooked on smoking cigarettes of drinking alcohol first

[peterm15]

I didn't read through all of what was said.

I'm not sure wether they should legalize it or not. That would be a huge taxable revenue.
I'm not even sure how they should go about decriminalizing it.

I just think its beyond stupid that opioids like cocaine and crack are considered " better" then pot.

If you actually look at the class of drugs pot is one of the few on full criminal list. Meaning there is no legal reason to use it. Yet cocaine has a legal use.

IMO it's one of the simpler drugs and back in the day when I did smoke it, I was very calm and productive. But with allergy pills I get screwed.

I know longer smoke due to being busted and paranoia that was attributed to it. That is where my problem lies. Pot can have many negative side effects for those going through mental problems. It can lead to depression, paranoia and ultimately minor ( sometime major) mental health problems. Then again so can alcohol.

NOW. if it comes to pot vs salvia. Legalize pot criminalize salvia.


Ps.

To those who said you don't go through withdrawals.
I beg to differ. Under certain conditions people can go through mental and physical withdrawals from pot. When I quit, I fell into a deep depression and was very close to having to be hospitalized. I lost 30 lbs and was in bed for a week. Is it as hard as some drugs. No. Can it still be tough. Yes.


Some background.

Started smoking daily when I was 10. Quit when I was 17. By 13 I was up to 1 oz a week, at 15 was lacing my own pot. Got hooked on dex shortly after for about 3 month and 2 years later quit pot.

[Slade]

If you actually look at the class of drugs pot is one of the few on full criminal list. Meaning there is no legal reason to use it. Yet cocaine has a legal use.

IMO it's one of the simpler drugs and back in the day when I did smoke it, I was very calm and productive. But with allergy pills I get screwed.

I know longer smoke due to being busted and paranoia that was attributed to it. That is where my problem lies. Pot can have many negative side effects for those going through mental problems. It can lead to depression, paranoia and ultimately minor ( sometime major) mental health problems. Then again so can alcohol.

NOW. if it comes to pot vs salvia. Legalize pot criminalize salvia.

And it is also 100% natural, and can be grown, not "manufactured".

I can focus like a mofo if I have a little puff, if I have a couple drinks, I am seeing double.

I would rather buy a 1/4 then go buy a 24 of beer. Personal preference.

The first time I was really drunk, I was sicker then a dog and hung over for 2 days and never wanted to drink again...I am not saying I still don't drink, it just all depends on what each individual finds they can relax to and enjoy themselves with.

I smoked weed long before I tried smoking cigarettes to add. The smell and taste of them turn me right off..

[Booostin]

I just think its beyond stupid that opioids like cocaine and crack are considered " better" then pot.


cocaine/crack is not an opioid. Probably thinking about heroin lol

[n00bMeiSter]

There was a documentary done on the marijuana industry in BC a few years back. Basically what it boiled down to was that Marijuana was a $7billion dollar industry in BC alone. There is no way they are going to legalize it as it employs too many people.

However, as it becomes more social and more people start speaking about about it, things may change. Maybe in 20-30 years it will be sold in convenience stores like tobacco.

[Default User]

Started smoking daily when I was 10. Quit when I was 17. By 13 I was up to 1 oz a week, at 15 was lacing my own pot. Got hooked on dex shortly after for about 3 month and 2 years later quit pot.

Just curious
were you smoking weed or cigarettes daily at the age of 10?
is it possible the withdrawal symptoms were from the use of dex?

[loki]

Just curious
were you smoking weed or cigarettes daily at the age of 10?
is it possible the withdrawal symptoms were from the use of dex?

weed at age 10 unless you measure your ciggarettes by the ounce

:chuckle

[Kessly Snipes]

but they dont need rehab or go into convulsions or withdrawal if they dont get to smoke weed. Unlike alcohol or harder drugs
They may be addicted to the habit of their social aspect or lifestyle rythm. But they are not addicted to the weed itself.

Theres a difference between "addiciton" and "dependance"
Angry Birds is addictive. Alcoholism is a dependance.
Even the most addictive toker, will not go into real withdrawal if they cant get get a joint for a day

A gateway drug is the initial substance that leads to harder substance use.
I'm almost certain that 100% of tokers have tried something else before smoking weed on a regular. For instance Cigarettes and / or alcohol.
People dont just jump into smoking weed without getting addicted to a buzz in some other form.

Meh, semantics. It doesn't matter why you are addicted, the point was you can become addicted.

I am all for legalization or it, I just don't like when people push one side or the other and put out blanket statements that are false. You seem to be pushing that it is good and there are no side effects or negatives that come along with it. I don't think it is horrible by any means, and have had it before and will again, but won't try to convince others with the "its not as bad as alcohol" or "It isn't a gateway drug because someone had a beer once before trying weed".

[Default User]

Meh, semantics. It doesn't matter why you are addicted, the point was you can become addicted.

I am all for legalization or it, I just don't like when people push one side or the other and put out blanket statements that are false. You seem to be pushing that it is good and there are no side effects or negatives that come along with it. I don't think it is horrible by any means, and have had it before and will again, but won't try to convince others with the "its not as bad as alcohol" or "It isn't a gateway drug because someone had a beer once before trying weed".

- I'm not pushing any side.
- and my statements are not false.

and im not trying to convince people to smoke weed because its better than alcohol.
I'm simply stating that consumption, possession and private manufacturing of alcohol is legal.

[Kessly Snipes]

- I'm not pushing any side.
- and my statements are not false.

and im not trying to convince people to smoke weed because its better than alcohol.
I'm simply stating that consumption, possession and private manufacturing of alcohol is legal.

I agree, just the way you are saying it has the "agenda" feel to it.

And the statement that it is not addictive is false. Pretty much anyone who went to high school knows someone who was addicted to it, be it the habit, the high or the social aspect. It really doesn't matter why.

Again, i am not against it at all, and agree it isn't nearly as bad for you as many other things (including booze at high consumption levels). I think it should be legalized and sold just as beer is.

[terapr0]

People who say weed isnt addictive probably havent been smoking daily for 10+ yrs....it most assuredly is.
Of course the addiction is more mental than physical, but its an addiction nonetheless. Obviously not as severe as say, Heroin, but there is certainly potential for addiction. That being said, each and every one of us are different and will react to things uniquely. Some people dont have issues quiting, others do. There is no blanket statement that applies to everyone.
And its also bad for your health too....mental and physical. Sure I finished 5yrs at university while smoking daily, but eventually it started to take its toll. Coughing up loads of black shit whenever I'd get sick, having a hard time remember things that happened the day before....it DOES take its toll on your body and your mind.

[peterm15]

Weed and cigs at 10. I still smoke cigs.
I quit weed 2 years after dex. Dexedrin had its own withdrawal. Weed had another. ( defiantly less problems quitting weed. It was more the mental. )

For those who don't know. Dex is a prescription drug like ritilan( sp*). I started taking it to " focus" during exams. It kind of backfired on me and within 2 weeks I was up to 18 caps a day. Straight, crushed, just the powder ect ect. It's the only straight chem I have ever done. ( the way it was supposed to be done)


And yes I was thinking heroin. I do believe coke and crack are in the same class. ( it's an ABC thing)


To the poster above.

I haven't smoked even once in almost 10 years and I still get called the biggest stoner by all my stoner friends. They are daily smokers. And alot of it.
Memory is shot. Concentration is shot but I started young so it could be that I never had it. Lol.
I agree with you. It WILL have an effect on you.

[Default User]

After reading my previous posts - you are right. I should have phrased it as "Weed doesn't have a PHYSICAL addiction" (unlike the harder drugs). But still stand by my statement that weed is not a dependent drug.

Like I said - it's an open forum, and I don't want to state my opinion on it

I will say this though - I smoked cigs since I was 13. Went on to alcohol and then weed. Smoked weed daily until about 7-8 years ago. then quit overnight without any physical withdrawal. The only issues I had was getting over the repetitiveness of the habit when associated with other activities. For instance, having a session before going to a club or watching a movie.

I do know people that went on to having several mental issues - but it was never determined if it was the marijuana that caused it, or the years of abuse w/ other substances.

[PR3Y11]

yes! same rules should apply to weed as alcohol. minus the whole drinking in public.... and treat it like smoking cigarettes

[peterm15]

yes! same rules should apply to weed as alcohol. minus the whole drinking in public.... and treat it like smoking cigarettes

There banning cigarettes. How does that help. ( there has been discussions about banning smoking on Toronto streets as well as in cars.)

[PR3Y11]

There banning cigarettes. How does that help. ( there has been discussions about banning smoking on Toronto streets as well as in cars.)
:( that just ruined my day.... and sry if i missed any valuable info i only read the thread title

you can't be serious about the ban of cigs right. that's absurd. no smoking in restaurants and bars, okay that understandable, patios still understandable, but in public streets or on you're own property??? that blows

[Default User]

:( that just ruined my day.... and sry if i missed any valuable info i only read the thread title

you can't be serious about the ban of cigs right. that's absurd. no smoking in restaurants and bars, okay that understandable, patios still understandable, but in public streets or on you're own property??? that blows

I've heard that also
Some places are enforcing smoking in front of entry ways. Hospitals won't even let you smoke in the parking lot beside your car.

I've heard of people getting pulled over for smoking in their car (that has a "baby on board" or "family" sticker on it. No tickets issued but a time killer and a 5 minute paranoia trip

*does anyone remember the movie "Demolition Man" where the govt banned everything that was deemed not good for you? Including sex LOL FAAACCKCKKKKK!!!

[PR3Y11]

I've heard that also
Some places are enforcing smoking in front of entry ways. Hospitals won't even let you smoke in the parking lot beside your car.

I've heard of people getting pulled over for smoking in their car (that has a "baby on board" or "family" sticker on it. No tickets issued but a time killer and a 5 minute paranoia trip

*does anyone remember the movie "Demolition Man" where the govt banned everything that was deemed not good for you? Including sex LOL FAAACCKCKKKKK!!!
entryways and hospitals sounds about right. since you don't wanna blow smoke in everyones faces and some patients my be a little more sensitive to it than others

and the whole car thing... i believe you CAN be ticketed now if you're smoking in you're car with a child under 16 years of age. not sure the fine, but if you are smoking with a kid in the car then that kid should be able to kick you in the face when ever they feel like it.

for me, i'd just like to be able to smoke when and where i want given i've used my discretion to also allow others to feel comfortable that i'm doing so.... i hope lol

[peterm15]

:( that just ruined my day.... and sry if i missed any valuable info i only read the thread title

you can't be serious about the ban of cigs right. that's absurd. no smoking in restaurants and bars, okay that understandable, patios still understandable, but in public streets or on you're own property??? that blows

Sorry... i am serious.
Again another wonderful idea from preimer dad.

[Punkrockjohn]

Chronic by nature has no addictive characteristics your friends are smoking some next stuff if they are "addicted" to it. IT NEEDS TO BE LEGALIZED, however in reality more money is made off it being illegal. So in that respect keep doing it just don't get booked haha:P

[Nick]

you know what, just a thought. if marijuana ever becomes legal even the cops be getting high! that's kinda scary...

[loki]

you know what, just a thought. if marijuana ever becomes legal even the cops be getting high! that's kinda scary...

That's like saying cops are always drunk because alcohol is legal

Retry

[terapr0]

however in reality more money is made off it being illegal.

How so? Please elaborate...

[Jackal]

I didn't read through all of what was said.

I'm not sure wether they should legalize it or not. That would be a huge taxable revenue.
I'm not even sure how they should go about decriminalizing it.

I just think its beyond stupid that opioids like cocaine and crack are considered " better" then pot.

If you actually look at the class of drugs pot is one of the few on full criminal list. Meaning there is no legal reason to use it. Yet cocaine has a legal use.

IMO it's one of the simpler drugs and back in the day when I did smoke it, I was very calm and productive. But with allergy pills I get screwed.

I know longer smoke due to being busted and paranoia that was attributed to it. That is where my problem lies. Pot can have many negative side effects for those going through mental problems. It can lead to depression, paranoia and ultimately minor ( sometime major) mental health problems. Then again so can alcohol.

NOW. if it comes to pot vs salvia. Legalize pot criminalize salvia.


Ps.

To those who said you don't go through withdrawals.
I beg to differ. Under certain conditions people can go through mental and physical withdrawals from pot. When I quit, I fell into a deep depression and was very close to having to be hospitalized. I lost 30 lbs and was in bed for a week. Is it as hard as some drugs. No. Can it still be tough. Yes.


Some background.

Started smoking daily when I was 10. Quit when I was 17. By 13 I was up to 1 oz a week, at 15 was lacing my own pot. Got hooked on dex shortly after for about 3 month and 2 years later quit pot.

Mary Jane is considered an entry or gateway drug and therefore it is being targeted. I think your story and progression of drugs is what's happening to some youth today. As the high becomes less extreme, teens are taking more of it or inhaling it in a purer form, then moving on to something stronger and stronger.
If you really want to know about the different types of psychoactive drugs then check out (pictures and explanations):
http://www.erowid.org/splash.php

[Kessly Snipes]

you know what, just a thought. if marijuana ever becomes legal even the cops be getting high! that's kinda scary...

Swing and a miss.



When was the last time you saw a drunk (on duty) cop

[terapr0]

Superintendant Earl Witty (Head of Traffic Services for Toronto Police)

http://news.sympatico.ca/oped/coffee-talk/head_of_ride_program_suspended_accused_of_intoxica tion_at_work/20c9b49b
http://news.nationalpost.com/tag/earl-witty/


...they only hire the best and the brightest :p

[ronphan]

they should legalize it, tax it, then use the tax money to increase education funding

[FoXy]

Mary Jane is considered an entry or gateway drug and therefore it is being targeted. I think your story and progression of drugs is what's happening to some youth today. As the high becomes less extreme, teens are taking more of it or inhaling it in a purer form, then moving on to something stronger and stronger.
If you really want to know about the different types of psychoactive drugs then check out (pictures and explanations):
http://www.erowid.org/splash.php

BAM! Straight from the mouth of a teacher... You heard it here kids! Drugs are bad! lol :chuckle

[Default User]

If they legalize and tax it - they will take full control over growing and distributing. And prices will skyrocket.

Which will lead to more people growing (or importing) their own, and selling it illegally (or at the very least, selling close to what the govt sells for)

[FoXy]

If they legalize and tax it - they will take full control over growing and distributing. And prices will skyrocket.

Which will lead to more people growing (or importing) their own, and selling it illegally (or at the very least, selling close to what the govt sells for)

+1

Plus I think if they start mass producing it for the government there will be no control of how good/bad it is. They will sell different grades and jack up the price. I wouldnt buy weed from the government... F that.... like they always say... support your local farmers :chuckle

[Jackal]

BAM! Straight from the mouth of a teacher... You heard it here kids! Drugs are bad! lol :chuckle

Lol. More info! Some youth are getting into K which is a dissociative drug meaning that it chemically numbs certain parts of your system. This drug will really make you dumb and dumber.

[Kessly Snipes]

If they legalize and tax it - they will take full control over growing and distributing. And prices will skyrocket.

Which will lead to more people growing (or importing) their own, and selling it illegally (or at the very least, selling close to what the govt sells for)

I think prices would become more in line with Tobacco. When was the last time you paid $10 for a gram of Tobacco?

[Fobio]

War on drugs = legislation to outlaw certain substances

The idea is that by outlawing something, you artificially suppress demand, and therefore, the worth of the supply should naturally diminish, making it economically unviable for criminal elements to profit from the sale of said substance.

BUT

Humans, being what we are, our demand does not become suppressed, and the more you tell someone not to do something, the more they may want to do it, which means, the "War on Drugs" has a side effect of artifically inflating demand, from curious thrill seekers to everyday citizens, including children, teens, moms, etc.

So by perpetuating the "War on Drugs" and limiting legal supply and demand, it actually channels the supply/demand underground, into the shadier parts of town and increases the potential for violent transactions. Furthermore, this strained supply/demand relationship will inflate the price of the substance, and thereby further enticing criminal elements to exploit it for profit.

This is the simple reality of the economics of the War on Drugs. However, it is the perceived image of drug use that the "powers that be" leverages upon and further compound it with "Think of the children!!!11!!!" mentality that is clouding society (North American) from taking a more pragmatic and effective approach to dealing with drug abuse.

Oxycotin was/is a legalized drug...just cuz something is legalized, it doesn't mean it's good for you or non-addictive...or anything better than any other opiates such as heroin or say opium. Abuse of prescription medication is more common than anyone thinks and it does more damage to society than anyone imagines. Ppl feel that since it came from a doctor, it must be good for them...case in point: Whitney Houston.

[FoXy]

Lol. More info! Some youth are getting into K which is a dissociative drug meaning that it chemically numbs certain parts of your system. This drug will really make you dumb and dumber.

Yepp it's a relly bad one. My ex's brother died of an OD from it. Sad times.

[m_bisson]

I like how the laws on alcohol are getting tougher (roadside suspensions, etc) so if they legalize weed then the same laws should apply.

Anything addictive (tobacco) should be criminalized/banned in Canada.

[Default User]

I like how the laws on alcohol are getting tougher (roadside suspensions, etc) so if they legalize weed then the same laws should apply.

Anything addictive (tobacco) should be criminalized/banned in Canada.

even Angry Birds? LOL
I'm facking hooked!

[Kessly Snipes]

I like how the laws on alcohol are getting tougher (roadside suspensions, etc) so if they legalize weed then the same laws should apply.

Anything addictive (tobacco) should be criminalized/banned in Canada.

100% on your first point, your second is so far off it isn't even funny. And no I don't smoke.

[Impressive]

I like how the laws on alcohol are getting tougher (roadside suspensions, etc) so if they legalize weed then the same laws should apply.

Anything addictive (tobacco) should be criminalized/banned in Canada.

That has to be one of the worst and most unrealistic ideas I've ever come across. You'd have to expand our court systems tenfold to deal with people getting prosecuted for smoking JUST cigarettes...brilliant use of tax dollars.

[turtle]

I like how the laws on alcohol are getting tougher (roadside suspensions, etc) so if they legalize weed then the same laws should apply.

Anything addictive (tobacco) should be criminalized/banned in Canada.

What about morphine?

[peterm15]

Anything addictive (tobacco) should be criminalized/banned in Canada.


What about morphine?

Or any other sinus/ cold med, pain med, alcohol, caffeine.
Why stop there.
Cell phones, video games. SEX...

Shall I keep going. All of these to certain people would result in side effects. ( granted some are ridicules but they are all considered addictions and most have programs that you can sign up for. )

[m_bisson]

way to read into that the wrong way guys.

My tax dollars go to pay for all the smokers who have to make hospital visits. The point is to get rid of things that hurt more than just the individual, but society as a whole, like DRUNK DRIVING. Jeeze. Why all the flaming you flaming homos?

[Impressive]

way to read into that the wrong way guys.

My tax dollars go to pay for all the smokers who have to make hospital visits. The point is to get rid of things that hurt more than just the individual, but society as a whole, like DRUNK DRIVING. Jeeze. Why all the flaming you flaming homos?

How does criminalizing anything addictive achieve that? There's a reason they sell tobacco and that reason is because it is government regulated and they make a profit off it. The same thing can be said about alcohol. Smoking by-laws and regulations have become more restrictive and effective in their deterrence, as have stiffer penalties and other reinforcements relating to drunk driving.

If you want to think that all your tax money goes to smokers' hospital visits, be my guest, but I'd be curious to see how much more taxes you'd be willing to pay once the government decides to ban and CRIMINALIZE modern household contents such as alcohol, and cigarettes, and whatever else they deem addictive. Imagine if the US decided to outlaws guns in a society where 9/10 people own guns? The comparison might be a little extreme, but the underlying principle is the same.

At the end of the day, it's a choice to smoke as an individual. If you don't want me to smoke around you, tell me. I (as many smokers do) try to be considerate and obey all by-laws and smoking regulations. I smoke in my car when I'm by myself...who am I doing harm to? I don't smoke around kids, or touch kids or anyone for that matter with my hands after I smoke and I carry sanitizer in my car to clean them off with afterwards. Sure it's a dirty habit and I'll eventually drop it myself, but at the end of the day, an individual should have the right to do what they want, in the privacy of their own property; as long as its traceable effects are not evident to cause anyone else harm - and if they don't, then this isn't a democratic and free society and my Charter rights are being violated.

[turtle]

Why all the flaming you flaming homos?

Nice.

[m_bisson]

At the end of the day, it's a choice to smoke as an individual....an individual should have the right to do what they want, in the privacy of their own property;

I don't disagree, but why should part of my money go towards paying for your hospital bills? There are other ways to go about this as well: smokers could be charged for smoking related hospital visits, for example.

My argument is that I'm sick of paying for other people's mistakes.

[fywdyl]

I don't disagree, but why should part of my money go towards paying for your hospital bills? There are other ways to go about this as well: smokers could be charged for smoking related hospital visits, for example.

My argument is that I'm sick of paying for other people's mistakes.

But that's how taxes work. Healthy people offset the costs of sickly people. This shouldn't be directed at smokers or whatever, you have beef with the health care system.

[terapr0]

and by that same rationale, people should have to pay for their own alcohol related medical expenses, or those related to being overweight and eating junkfood all day. People would need to pay for their own incarceration when convicted of a crime too. Where would we draw the line?

I understand what you're getting it, but it wouldnt really work. People need to have some degree of freedom, and have some expectation of care - especially if they're paying taxes specifically to fund a public health system.

[Kessly Snipes]

I don't disagree, but why should part of my money go towards paying for your hospital bills? There are other ways to go about this as well: smokers could be charged for smoking related hospital visits, for example.

My argument is that I'm sick of paying for other people's mistakes.

Move to the USA. in Canada everyone pays taxes to insure everyone has proper health care. If you don't like it you are free to leave, just be sure you take you bad ideas with you.

[peterm15]

I don't disagree, but why should part of my money go towards paying for your hospital bills? There are other ways to go about this as well: smokers could be charged for smoking related hospital visits, for example.

My argument is that I'm sick of paying for other people's mistakes.

Why should I pay hospital bills for the morons that speed and get into accidents. I don't speed. Why should I pay. Better yet I'm sick of paying healthcare and disability for morbidly obese people.

Your reasoning is flawed. What your essentially saying is all hospital bills should be paid out of pocket unless it a common cold. Most hospital visits are usually the result of yours or someone else's mistake ( ie broken bones)

[Default User]

I don't disagree, but why should part of my money go towards paying for your hospital bills? There are other ways to go about this as well: smokers could be charged for smoking related hospital visits, for example.

My argument is that I'm sick of paying for other people's mistakes.

Same can be said about people fighting minor traffic or parking tickets when they know they are at fault

[mazdaspeedemon3]

Same can be said about people fighting minor traffic or parking tickets when they know they are at fault

yeah true... but the figures are no where near comparable, the medical industry is the top grossing industry right now... i agree with bisson the numbers are too high to ignore... just like insurance fraud in ontario it needs to be addressed... smoking is getting outlawed more and more every year, i remember only a couple years ago you were able to smoke inside Tim Hortons... now you cant even smoke within 5-10 meters of the door... Hospitals are promoting a smoke free property... its only a matter of time until its controlled better.

[Hoodzy]

If they legalize and tax it - they will take full control over growing and distributing. And prices will skyrocket.

Which will lead to more people growing (or importing) their own, and selling it illegally (or at the very least, selling close to what the govt sells for)


FALSE
it would be like booze and cigarettes..

[Default User]

FALSE
it would be like booze and cigarettes..

Have you seen the cost of smokes? And the amount of bootlegs and "native" brands there are.

Same with alcohol. Home brewers everywhere selling bottles $1-2 less than the real wineries.

[Hoodzy]

Have you seen the cost of smokes? And the amount of bootlegs and "native" brands there are.

Same with alcohol. Home brewers everywhere selling bottles $1-2 less than the real wineries.

Yet the tobacco and alcohol industries seem to be making billions every year...
Also I was making the point that the government does not control/run these industries.. it simply taxes them.

Legalizing weed is a very good choice...
A. Tax the hell out of it
B. Tax the hell out of all the jobs being created
C. Jobs created
D. Reduce the amount of bureaucratic BS that police and government go through with the war on drugs this in turn
(i) decreases costs in these areas
(ii) increases effectiveness on things that matter in the world
(iii) decrease crime which in turn again decreases costs of lawyers, justice system and our overcrowded prisons
E Tourism will increase which brings money into the economy on ALL fronts

There is absolutely no negative that can outweigh these benefits. Especially when you take into consideration the negative effects of alcohol and cigarettes have a MUCH MUCH greater impact than weed ever would.

[Kessly Snipes]

yeah true... but the figures are no where near comparable, the medical industry is the top grossing industry right now... i agree with bisson the numbers are too high to ignore... just like insurance fraud in ontario it needs to be addressed... smoking is getting outlawed more and more every year, i remember only a couple years ago you were able to smoke inside Tim Hortons... now you cant even smoke within 5-10 meters of the door... Hospitals are promoting a smoke free property... its only a matter of time until its controlled better.

It wasn't a couple years ago. I was 20 when it happened, I am turning 29 in Oct.

[Kessly Snipes]

Have you seen the cost of smokes? And the amount of bootlegs and "native" brands there are.

Same with alcohol. Home brewers everywhere selling bottles $1-2 less than the real wineries.

I'll just leave this here...


I think prices would become more in line with Tobacco. When was the last time you paid $10 for a gram of Tobacco?

[Default User]

Especially when you take into consideration the negative effects of alcohol and cigarettes have a MUCH MUCH greater impact than weed ever would.

Totally agree

[mazdaspeedemon3]

It wasn't a couple years ago. I was 20 when it happened, I am turning 29 in Oct.

lol your right!.... damn where has the time gone... im only 23 sh*t i feel old...

[turtle]

Yet the tobacco and alcohol industries seem to be making billions every year...
Also I was making the point that the government does not control/run these industries.. it simply taxes them.

Legalizing weed is a very good choice...
A. Tax the hell out of it
B. Tax the hell out of all the jobs being created
C. Jobs created
D. Reduce the amount of bureaucratic BS that police and government go through with the war on drugs this in turn
(i) decreases costs in these areas
(ii) increases effectiveness on things that matter in the world
(iii) decrease crime which in turn again decreases costs of lawyers, justice system and our overcrowded prisons
E Tourism will increase which brings money into the economy on ALL fronts

There is absolutely no negative that can outweigh these benefits. Especially when you take into consideration the negative effects of alcohol and cigarettes have a MUCH MUCH greater impact than weed ever would.

This guy. This guy gets it. The fact that it hasn't been done already is pretty sad.

[peterm15]

This guy. This guy gets it. The fact that it hasn't been done already is pretty sad.

Although I do agree ( i also lean towards legalizing it. ) take a look at Amsterdam. There looking at reversing it, or only making it available to locals.

[sharkbait]

legalize it or not, things won't change. Never stopped anyone in the past, legalizing it will only become boring for them cause there's no thrill in them doing it and not having the chance that the cops might catch them. Either way, I am completely against marijuana. Never will I smoke the stuff or be around people that do. Just my opinion.

[Fuman]

legalize it or not, things won't change. Never stopped anyone in the past, legalizing it will only become boring for them cause there's no thrill in them doing it and not having the chance that the cops might catch them. Either way, I am completely against marijuana. Never will I smoke the stuff or be around people that do. Just my opinion.
I agree that some folks may find alternative ways to get high if this because legal due to the thrill factor. However, I would say this should a minority population.
Curious, would say be the same for people that drink alcohol? [ no trying to be a troll ]


I think it should be legalized and the government should tax the hell out of it. Imagine a MCBO, lol.
We should also increase the amount of education on the effects of marijuana (if legalized) so that people understand the effects of the drug.
Also, do testing (if not already done) to see if this impacts driving and other "under the influence" type laws.

[Mitchell3]

Never will I smoke the stuff or be around people that do. Just my opinion.

+1, however I'm still friends with people that do. But I really dont care if its legalized or not.

[Default User]

I agree that some folks may find alternative ways to get high if this because legal due to the thrill factor.


People sniff gasoline to get high - which is completely legal.

And I don't mean rolling into a gas station to smell fumes. People actually put them in bags and super-inhale it like they're hyperventilating.

[Flunk]

As long as people do it responsibly I'd say legalize it. It's not going to affect me because I don't smoke and won't start. All legalizing will do is increase tax revenue and take another revenue source away from criminals.

[Impressive]

Anyone who says they don't want to be around people who smoke marijuana is embarrassingly narrow-minded.

You don't have to partake, or be around them at all when they are smoking up, but truthfully I'd much rather be around people under than influence of marijuana than people who are drunk, regardless of whether I am intoxicated myself or sober. Lots of brilliant people smoke and support marijuana activism and while I'm not saying you have to bow to these people or support the cause, I do think you should be more open-minded with regards to the people you chose to associate with.

Just my 2 cents here, hopefully my message doesn't offend anyone as it's just a point of view - nothing more, nothing less.

[Default User]

Supporters aren't necessarily smokers

[peterm15]

Supporters aren't necessarily smokers

+1

[terapr0]

Anyone who says they don't want to be around people who smoke marijuana is embarrassingly narrow-minded.

You don't have to partake, or be around them at all when they are smoking up, but truthfully I'd much rather be around people under than influence of marijuana than people who are drunk, regardless of whether I am intoxicated myself or sober.

+100

In my opinion, based on years of experience, drunks are far more violent, obnoxious, rude, arrogant, unpredictable and downright sloppier than any pot smoker. Despite its current legality, make no mistake about it, alcohol is a shitty, horrible drug that can ruin peoples lives. Ask any alcoholic

[Kappa]

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[Impressive]

Supporters aren't necessarily smokers

No they aren't, but I was only referring to the ones that do. I'm aware that there are plenty of non-smoking supporters as well :)

[Kessly Snipes]

Supporters aren't necessarily smokers

This!

I haven't smoked anything in years, but I fully support it. My issue is those who blindly support and try to bring "facts" to the table that really aren't there. There are enough compelling arguments that you could stick with them and be right all day long.

[Hoodzy]

The only reason that Canada hasn't legalized weed is because of pressure from our moron neighbors.
They LITERALLY think smoking a joint is worse than raping someone and then cutting there head off.

[klspeed3]

The only reason that Canada hasn't legalized weed is because of pressure from our moron neighbors.
They LITERALLY think smoking a joint is worse than raping someone and then cutting there head off.

^ this is the reason a number of countries haven't, including places notorious for weed like Jamaica - pressure from the US.

[Default User]

well...they're allowing hookers and pervs to have sex legally in organized brothels now.
Maybe a step in legalizing mary jane here (like Amsterdam)

[Turok]

I'm assuming you don't agree with your money helping people who are on welfare either? Even though I have to say the welfare system is extremely abused.


I don't disagree, but why should part of my money go towards paying for your hospital bills? There are other ways to go about this as well: smokers could be charged for smoking related hospital visits, for example.

My argument is that I'm sick of paying for other people's mistakes.

[Fobio]

well...they're allowing hookers and pervs to have sex legally in organized brothels now.
Maybe a step in legalizing mary jane here (like Amsterdam)

When I went to Amsertdam, the taxi driver told me it's different than what us north americans think...

Amsterdam has been a port city for over 400 yrs...full of sailors. As a sailor town, bars, all substances and indulgence of the flesh were REQUIRED to keep the sailors in check.

To look at it another way, they never LEGALIZED anything, they just never made the things that humans do illegal for sake of "think of the children!!1!!" or "What would Jesus do?".

[Default User]

When I went to Amsertdam, the taxi driver told me it's different than what us north americans think...

Amsterdam has been a port city for over 400 yrs...full of sailors. As a sailor town, bars, all substances and indulgence of the flesh were REQUIRED to keep the sailors in check.

To look at it another way, they never LEGALIZED anything, they just never made the things that humans do illegal for sake of "think of the children!!1!!" or "What would Jesus do?".

LOL
you mean...Hollywood lied to us?!?!!

[Turok]

When I went to Amsertdam, the taxi driver told me it's different than what us north americans think...

Amsterdam has been a port city for over 400 yrs...full of sailors. As a sailor town, bars, all substances and indulgence of the flesh were REQUIRED to keep the sailors in check.

To look at it another way, they never LEGALIZED anything, they just never made the things that humans do illegal for sake of "think of the children!!1!!" or "What would Jesus do?".

+1

[Sivart444]

This guy. This guy gets it. The fact that it hasn't been done already is pretty sad.

+1

[Zoom Zoom Boy]

Just make it legal.
And, while we're at it, let's make prostitution legal too. Oh wait...LOL.

[Kiyomi]

time to revive this thread.

discuss: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

[eSS]

time to revive this thread.

discuss: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

There are actually licenses people can carry that they present that states they can legally smoke marijuana. Case in point I work at a hotel as security. I was asked to check one of the smoking rooms as it was apparent the guest was smoking marijuana in there. Despite being a smoking room we do not allow guests to smoke the stuff in there so I had the guest charged.

I was then called to the front desk to speak to the guest in private where he explained he had cancer and presented an ID showing he was allowed to possesses only a certain amount for prescribed medical use. Had never seen one like that but did some research and it does in fact exist.

[vinnierap]

There are actually licenses people can carry that they present that states they can legally smoke marijuana. Case in point I work at a hotel as security. I was asked to check one of the smoking rooms as it was apparent the guest was smoking marijuana in there. Despite being a smoking room we do not allow guests to smoke the stuff in there so I had the guest charged.

I was then called to the front desk to speak to the guest in private where he explained he had cancer and presented an ID showing he was allowed to possesses only a certain amount for prescribed medical use. Had never seen one like that but did some research and it does in fact exist.

While this is 100% true, it also states that they can legally smoke marihuana in the privacy of their own home or on their own property (home). People think this gives them the right to walk down the street or sit on bar patio smoking a joint. That is absolutely not the case.

Marihuana is currently de-criminalized. So if someone is in posession of 30g or less of marihuana they will not be criminally charged but receive a provincial offences ticket instead (POT). More than 30 grams is considered "posession for intent to distribute".

The argument that most are saying "smoking a joint is better than getting drunk". Although people who are high are generally calmer than someone who is drunk. I can safely say that I can Have a couple of beers/or drinks and not be "drunk" or "under the influence". Where as after smoking a joint, or half a joint you are under the influence and your state of mind has been altered.

Also, how is smoking weed better than tobacco? Doesnt make sense. Again, I can smoke a pack of cigarettes (quit 9 months now :) ) and I will be 100% of sound body and mind. Smoke 1, joint and your "high" (mental state has been altered). Not to mention the fact that you are still SMOKING and INHALING tobacco and cannabis which affects your lungs and overall health.

[ParsM3GT]

Doesn`t matter what your burning and inhaling. Smoke is smoke. Its not good for you.
Vapourizing is the way to go. :thumbsup

[loki]

Doesn`t matter what your burning and inhaling. Smoke is smoke. Its not good for you.
Vapourizing is the way to go. :thumbsup

and it gets you hiiiiighhhhh!!!

:huge smile

[terapr0]

your degree of impairment or "altered mind" is really dependant on your tolerance to a given substance. Sure you can drink a beer or two or three and not be "drunk", but thats because you probably drink a regular or semi-regular basis. I hardly ever drink and tend to have the tolerance of a 14yr old girl....a few beers or strong gin & tonics and I'm wasted, whereas you'd probably be just fine.
On the flip side, I've smoked weed almost every day for the past 9 years and it takes a LOT to get me really high. you might be uncomfortably intoxicated after half a joint, but I'm feeling pretty damn good and probably rolling the next one. It's all about tolerance and experience and individual reactions.

At the end of the day they're both intoxicating substances and I'm not about to stand on some high-horse and claim one is somehow superior to the other - they're each bad in their own ways, and I'm guilty of having indulged in both. My personal prefference is weed, but thats because it never leads to me spending $200 at the bar on stupid shit I regret the next day. I rarely say or do stupid shit that I regret, in fact it tends to make me more contemplative and less recklessly impulsive. I've also never had friends nearly die from smoking too much weed, and I've never seen anyone get too high and start fights with perfect strangers.

opinions may vary.

[Booostin]

Doesn`t matter what your burning and inhaling. Smoke is smoke. Its not good for you.
Vapourizing is the way to go. :thumbsup

lol

[eSS]

Went I meant "charged" I meant a smoking fee of $150 not criminally. Thought I should clear that up. And yes on the license it states that they are allowed to have up to I believe 15G

[Slade]

your degree of impairment or "altered mind" is really dependant on your tolerance to a given substance. Sure you can drink a beer or two or three and not be "drunk", but thats because you probably drink a regular or semi-regular basis. I hardly ever drink and tend to have the tolerance of a 14yr old girl....a few beers or strong gin & tonics and I'm wasted, whereas you'd probably be just fine.
On the flip side, I've smoked weed almost every day for the past 9 years and it takes a LOT to get me really high. you might be uncomfortably intoxicated after half a joint, but I'm feeling pretty damn good and probably rolling the next one. It's all about tolerance and experience and individual reactions.

opinions may vary.

+123456

I don't drink a lot, maybe 10 beers a month. I burn through at least a 1/4-1/2 O in a week though.

If I need to do something "concentrating intensive" I can do it a lot better under the influence, I tend to have a lot more patience for annoying stuff like soldering and electrical.

I do NOT smoke cigarettes, cannot stand the smell or taste of them.

[Kiyomi]

Doesn`t matter what your burning and inhaling. Smoke is smoke. Its not good for you.
Vapourizing is the way to go. :thumbsup

HAHA Fo Sure!.

but i was more interested in seeing if using marijuana was in fact good for treating cancer and possibly curing it. true or false?

[loki]

HAHA Fo Sure!.

but i was more interested in seeing if using marijuana was in fact good for treating cancer and possibly curing it. true or false?

it doesn't cure cancer, the whole idea is that if you're suffering the ganja will help ease the pain

[Kiyomi]

it doesn't cure cancer, the whole idea is that if you're suffering the ganja will help ease the pain

I understand that, but read the article which i posted that restarted this thread. saying they found that part of the plant liquid can stop cancer cells from multiplying and even reverse the effects. trial stages on animals only thus far.

seems like if this gets out, the pharmaceutical companies will take a big hit in profits from pain killers and other drugs which they want you to use. which is why i said, true or false? not beyond possible.

[loki]

I understand that, but read the article which i posted that restarted this thread. saying they found that part of the plant liquid can stop cancer cells from multiplying and even reverse the effects. trial stages on animals only thus far.

seems like if this gets out, the pharmaceutical companies will take a big hit in profits from pain killers and other drugs which they want you to use. which is why i said, true or false? not beyond possible.

well my friend if you listened to reggae you would have already known that ¨ganja is dih healin' ah dih nayshun¨

[Fobio]

The spcific use of mdeical marijuana, like its recreational use, is not fully understood...as like alcohol, individual responses vary.

Most importantly, patients that go thru various rigorous medical treatment such as chemo or certain drug ****tails for HIV, will have diminished appetites and maijuana helps with that. Great for the runway model so she doesn't have to finger her throat to puke out the twinky she had for breakfast lunch and dinner....not so great for the recovering patient who could really use a meal after treatment. Furthermore, certain patients attend support groups that aid or supplement their treatment with group therapy, which is great for the bed-ridden to socialize with others in their situation...as well, it gives them a reason to get out and visit a "coffee shop" for a bit of human interaction.

Then again, you also get the guy who got the tiniest work injury and is now on disability and has a "pot-card" and just enjoying life...

[goodcase]

I'm all for legalization if the revenue generated by the sale of marijuana goes towards things like our sham of a public education system, and better mental heath care. Its a billion dollar underground economy thats just waiting to be tapped. I also feel like strict distribution and sales regulations are also necessary. Legal age of sale would be the same as the provincial age of majority, sales would be done in government run and regulated facilities (same idea as an LCBO). Picture that, a Marijuana superstore. Multi strands, baked goods and devices all under one roof. It's completely illogical that alcohol and smokes are legal but marijuana is not.

[goodcase]

To add to my last statement. I've been an avid weed smoker since i was 16/17, I never really got into drinking. To me, I'd rather get high and have stoner talk. Then be drunk and make an ass out of myself. Furthermore, earlier this year I watched my best friends mom die due to alcoholism, it was painful watching this lady die because she was addicted to drinking. Alcohol ruins more lives than marijuana ever could. You never hear about anybody OD'in because they got to high. Worst case ontario, they "green out". I'm certain that the rate of death due to alcoholism would drop if the money generated by the sale of marijuana went to better mental health care and rehab facilities. The rehab centers that exist now that aren't private dont work, I know that first hand, they're more of a bandage over the real issue. There's a reason why the privately run ones cost an arm and a leg.

[Fobio]

Worst case ontario, they "green out".

lol...wtf?...can I have some of what you're smoking bro?...lol...

btw, I know it's a typo...and a funny one as well...

[loki]

just want to add that although I agree that alcohol can more readily ruin someone's life than good old herb, anything in excess can ruin someone's life

You may enjoy getting high and stoner talk, but for some people who don't want their family members to be high out of their minds all the time, I'd say excess weed smoking can ruin lives.

everything in moderation, that's all

[MarkWB]

This thread is filled with...confusion.

First off, Marijuana (or Marihuana, as you'll find it spelled on your promise to appear in criminal court) is NOT decriminalized. Marijuana is a classified illegal substance, and you can receive up to a 2 year prison sentence for possessing a gram. Now, most cops will hand out a provincial offences ticket for possession of less than an ounce (simple possession) because their bosses give them shit for arresting pot smokers. Why? Go to any courthouse and attend the courtroom designated for first appearances. Almost every weed charge that comes up infront of the judge ends up withdrawn by the crown, or they get a diversion (do some community service, go to counselling, etc..)

Medicinal Marijuana licenses do exist in Canada, and eSS, not sure how your Ontario hotel has a smoking room, or how you had him fined a "150 dollar smoking fee." Did the police show up? Was he issued the ticket under the TTPA? That'd make more sense.

[peterm15]

Ok for myself I'm not a stoner ( anymore) although I do drink regularly.

I can drink 12 bottles of beer and walk a straight line ( would never drive), and many people have told me other then being a little more talkative they wouldn't know I was drinking.

I take one toke off a joint and I'm toasted for the night.

Fact of the matter is. Wether drinking or smoking, they have the same adverse affects, a disillusioned state. Once they find an accurate way to test for pot impairment while driving or working, ( better then current). It should be legalized and taxed.

[Fobio]

Obligatory


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[Slade]

Obligatory


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADIyIlO-_Ug

While I agree, I prefer Kottonmouth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSgzhIPHGA

The problem will be, when they legalize it, its gonna cost more and won't be the quality as to what folks are accustom to. Unless they tier the types/prices.

[Booostin]

everything in moderation, that's all

Exactly, a little coke and ex never hurt anyone.

[Fobio]

Exactly, a little coke and ex never hurt anyone.

maybe drinking coca-cola with your ex is what got her obese and ditched your ass...

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[Thrizzl3]

Lmao

[MarkWB]

Exactly, a little coke and ex never hurt anyone.

"A little" never did, lol, it's true. But how many users do you know that keep it at a little? :chuckle Some more fun weed facts:

- Those comparing cigarette smoking and pot smoking should note that Marijuana smoke typically causes smokers to cough, ejecting harmful tar and chemical deposits that sit inside the mucous in your throat. Cigarette tar does not get coughed out, and finds its way inside your lungs. Of course, this is not scientific proof that Marijuana smoke is better for you, but there's been many studies that use this as a part of the various points they try to prove (ie google smoking Marijuana curbs lung/smoke cancer in Tobacco smokers)

- While Marijuana is a "mind altering substance," so is coffee, and sugar. Both of which are more addictive, and carry the potential to be lethal in high doses. Any substance you put into your body can be "mind altering," it's about how much you use, and how often.

- I work security at bars and I'll be the first person to stake my personal reputation on the fact that drunk people are MUCH more dangerous than someone who's just smoked a joint. I never in my career have had to eject someone for being "too high," but I can't count how many fights I've been in with some drunken *******. I've watched two life long friends fight until one dropped to the pavement and cracked his head open, started having a seizure...high or drunk, you can take your guesses.

- It's also debatable that intoxication by Marijuana even effects your ability to drive in a negative manner, so really, that's a moot point. Some known effects of pot smoking are anxiety, paranoia, and hypersensitivity...wouldn't that make you a "better" driver by the standards the government uses to test people?

- The tax revenue from Marijuana sales in Canada would be ridiculous. Do the math on the cost of growing in mass amounts, it's next to nothing. The government could sell weed for 5 dollars a gram, at it's highest quality, and still be marking up their production cost almost 400% per gram. Street prices for Marijuana only exist because street dealing is an economy of it's own, and one must buy in...in order to make profit, they have to sell at x price. If the government undercuts those prices, and sells it legally and already tax-in like smokes and booze, street dealers will be out of business the next day.

Why don't we legalize? Our slow brothers down south threaten to stop trade with us if we ever do, and international affairs with countries like Iran would only worsen. That being said, the violent crime rate would certainly drop, large organized crime syndicates would lose one of their base revenues, and the tax bucks earned could easily be funding better education or healthcare, or being used to stimulate recessing and underdeveloped markets (like domestic oil).

[peterm15]

The only thing I disagree with when it comes to your post is the ability to drive.

For example. When I smoke I space out. That would make me horrible at driving. It still is a substance that effects your motor skills and reaction time. The effects you listed are only mental, not physical.

Want proof of a couple things you said. Smack a really high guy in the back of the head. Warn him you will do so in the next 10 s. they will react to late (most of the time) but usually just have a laugh about it.

[Fobio]

A friend of mine was like that...kinda. "Was", because he comitted suicide about 10 years ago. He could drink...party his ass off...pop pills. But if he took 2 tokes, he'll pass out...while in mid-conversation, walking right beside me.

After popping pills on a regular basis, I'm pretty certain he developed bi-polar disorder...it was getting difficult to get through to him before he passed.

My point is...everyone has a different poison. Which speaks to some of the difficulties in regulating something like pot. For most intelligent, hard-working ppl of normal psyhcological make-up, smoking a j or 2 is like having a beer or two. But that doesn't mean it applies to everyone.

[zzz3]

Bun a ting stylllll. Just don't call asking me where the nearest 5 guys burger is lol cough Jus... cough.

Always be good brejrenz.

[Kiyomi]

Bun a ting stylllll. Just don't call asking me where the nearest 5 guys burger is lol cough Jus... cough.

Always be good brejrenz.

:D:D:D

[loki]

:D:D:D

Shout me when you've eaten an entire tv dinner including the cardboard tray thing it comes in....

[zzz3]

:D:D:D


Shout me when you've eaten an entire tv dinner including the cardboard tray thing it comes in....

tm3 session? i know a few members that burn...

[loki]

tm3 session? i know a few members that burn...

I'm down for it

[PR3Y11]

Wow where was this thread when i joined?! Ive got some good shit if anyone wants to try. See you all at the meet tmr.

[loki]

Wow where was this thread when i joined?! Ive got some good shit if anyone wants to try. See you all at the meet tmr.

Better than the shit that women at the timmies was on during that storm?

We needz that shizz

[loki]

Anyway for obvious reasons I'm not going to continue this discussion here

But pm if you guys come up with any ideas :P

[Hyperion]

Anyway for obvious reasons I'm not going to continue this discussion here

But pm if you guys come up with any ideas :P

I'm surprised this thread has continued as far as it has

[The Wolf]

You have all been reported top the cyber police. The consequences will never be the same.

[loki]

I'm surprised this thread has continued as far as it has

Raise your hand if you tried to lick hyperion's signature....

[Fobio]

No smoking on the runway tomorrow.

No cigs either. Government rules for runways.

Be good bredrens...

[Thrizzl3]

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhh

[peterm15]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBNX8smjkiU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsODq6LsS7c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[zzz3]

No smoking on the runway tomorrow.

No cigs either. Government rules for runways.

Be good bredrens...


hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhh

smells like updawg today.

[Thrizzl3]

it does...and it's soo good!!

going back to sleep.

[Kiyomi]

reviving this thread a bit lolz.

i heard that you can grow up to 6 plants now in Cali and get some kind of cheap permit, is that true? but then the feds can confiscate it because its technically still illegal. weird.:bana2

[Genpu_Mz3]

im not sure if its been posted in other threads, but check out the show weed wars, its based on the harbor side medical center for medicinal marijuana. it is legal by state law, but is still a federal crime.

[dambay]

well my friend if you listened to reggae you would have already known that ¨ganja is dih healin' ah dih nayshun¨

Hahahahahahaha

[dambay]

The spcific use of mdeical marijuana, like its recreational use, is not fully understood...as like alcohol, individual responses vary.

Most importantly, patients that go thru various rigorous medical treatment such as chemo or certain drug ****tails for HIV, will have diminished appetites and maijuana helps with that. Great for the runway model so she doesn't have to finger her throat to puke out the twinky she had for breakfast lunch and dinner....not so great for the recovering patient who could really use a meal after treatment. Furthermore, certain patients attend support groups that aid or supplement their treatment with group therapy, which is great for the bed-ridden to socialize with others in their situation...as well, it gives them a reason to get out and visit a "coffee shop" for a bit of human interaction.

Then again, you also get the guy who got the tiniest work injury and is now on disability and has a "pot-card" and just enjoying life...

Its not just for appetite. THC also works wonders for suppressing nausea, an almost guaranteed side effect of some of the treatments cancer patients have to go through. I found out about a year ago that some hospitals have "THC pills" which they administer to patients to help treat their nausea. (If only I could convince my fiancee to bring some home from work :D ).

[Rob23]

reviving this thread a bit lolz.

i heard that you can grow up to 6 plants now in Cali and get some kind of cheap permit, is that true? but then the feds can confiscate it because its technically still illegal. weird.:bana2

My buddy has his license. Hes allowed to have alot on him at once and not get in any trouble. He is also allowed to grow crap load of plants at once in his house. Its crazy how much you legally can get your hands on.

[Slade]

My buddy has his license. Hes allowed to have alot on him at once and not get in any trouble. He is also allowed to grow crap load of plants at once in his house. Its crazy how much you legally can get your hands on.

I know someone who just got their license, allowed 3 1/2 POUNDS in their house, and to carry 2 1.2 OZ on them at any time.

Crazy! :)

[Rob23]

I know someone who just got their license, allowed 3 1/2 POUNDS in their house, and to carry 2 1.2 OZ on them at any time.

Crazy! :)

My buddy is allowed more, a lot more. I don't really get it lol, who needs that much..

[malfunktion]

Raise your lighters boys, cheers.

Bowls Bowls Bowls What a sunday this to be :)

[6strings]

Does anyone have Doritos/

[Chrisinski]

I have a few friends who are allowed to grow due to medical monditions ( ms, cancer ) but they are not allowed more than 6 plants at any given time. I agree if its for medical problems but I think it should be legalized to cut down on the crime rates aswell. Its a waste of money to put away a hand full of dealers for a handful more to pop up. To top it off you wouldnt get laced crap either.

[greyseason]

Folks, just wanted say this thread makes me happy, we must assemble some time :P

time to clean the car post bowl

[The Wolf]

when you opened your trunk at the NATOR meet, I knew you'd enjoy this thread lol

[Lactose]

Legalize it, tax it, solve debt.

[The Wolf]

Legalize it, tax it, solve debt.

now I known you're high.

[Kiyomi]

Folks, just wanted say this thread makes me happy, we must assemble some time :P

time to clean the car post bowl

ahaha, jokes.

[Punkrockjohn]

legalize it

[Lactose]

now I known you're high.

The funny part is, I've never partaken.

[Kiyomi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAzfO7GrMVk

[Mazdy]

:D

[SKyactivmanny]

Legalize it, tax it, solve debt.

Dooo iiitttt

[Sivart444]

It's 2013 and a plant that makes you silly is STILL illegal :S

We live in strange times.

[Kiyomi]

bump this thread.
http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2014/02/21/n-marijuana-money-colorado-sales-tax-economy.cnnmoney/index.html

nuff said.
maybe we can get transit fixed here...
I lol, when the conservatives attack Trudeau with legalizing weed, hide your children!

on a side note, i had a really bad experience with a friend where some green was laced with god knows what. since then, havent and wont touch anything till legalized. another reason to legalize so that you know what your getting.
literally like this. funny now, but was the scariest thing ive ever experienced.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcM6PgX-Oc8

[Slade]

bump this thread.
http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2014/02/21/n-marijuana-money-colorado-sales-tax-economy.cnnmoney/index.html

nuff said.
maybe we can get transit fixed here...
I lol, when the conservatives attack Trudeau with legalizing weed, hide your children!

on a side note, i had a really bad experience with a friend where some green was laced with god knows what. since then, havent and wont touch anything till legalized. another reason to legalize so that you know what your getting.
literally like this. funny now, but was the scariest thing ive ever experienced.


Yeah laced stuff can be scary for sure.

Funny, cause I am actually watching a Marijuana show on TV right now lol.

Gonna be a shame when the new law comes into effect this year, even for people with a license to grow.

Id much rather chill and have a doobie, then sit and drink a 12pack.

[jeffjones]

Yeah laced stuff can be scary for sure.

Funny, cause I am actually watching a Marijuana show on TV right now lol.

Gonna be a shame when the new law comes into effect this year, even for people with a license to grow.

Id much rather chill and have a doobie, then sit and drink a 12pack.

Chances of getting laced pot is extremely slim as who is really going to put expensive drugs into the pot and sell it fir the same price lol.

[peterm15]

Chances of getting laced pot is extremely slim as who is really going to put expensive drugs into the pot and sell it fir the same price lol.

Draino isnt expensive.

Pot is ALOT cleaner then it used to be. At least compared to when I was in high school.

[jeffjones]

Draino isnt expensive.

Pot is ALOT cleaner then it used to be. At least compared to when I was in high school.

But who and why would someone put drano in pot lol.
wouldn't you wonder why you pot is wet and smells like cleaner lol

[Kiyomi]

Chances of getting laced pot is extremely slim as who is really going to put expensive drugs into the pot and sell it fir the same price lol.

slim, but it still happened lolz...

[jaimie08mazda3]

Id much rather chill and have a doobie, then sit and drink a 12pack.
This! I'm not much of a drinker. I don't like the feeling or the morning after feeling. I know people who would rather drink their ass off then smoke a joint. Me personally I'd rather go home smoke a bowl or a bong hit then drink beer. I'm all for legalizing it.

[peterm15]

But who and why would someone put drano in pot lol.
wouldn't you wonder why you pot is wet and smells like cleaner lol

Draino comes in a solid crystal form as well.

It may have been a bad example. But it does still happen. When I was in school clean pot was premium charge.

[The Wolf]

Gotta know where it grows.

[SKyactivmanny]

This! I'm not much of a drinker. I don't like the feeling or the morning after feeling. I know people who would rather drink their ass off then smoke a joint. Me personally I'd rather go home smoke a bowl or a bong hit then drink beer. I'm all for legalizing it.

+1 i miss my popper bong

[Slade]

Its easy to water your plants with drano or whatever chemicals you want, it will in effect get into the strain that way and will affect the plant.

People will lace it the 1st time in hopes that you will keep coming back to them, if you don't know what laced weed taste like or the effects of it.

I vape, I love my vaporizer.

[Sivart444]

I can't think of a single reason that truly justifies its illegality.

1. We don't want the kids to think its okay
-- Would you rather them buy it from a drug dealer? Or make them jump the same hoops the indefinitely will like when they get alcohol - i think that is more difficult

2. It makes you lazy
-- So do cheeseburgers. Lazy people were going to be lazy REGARDLESS of their lifestyle choices

3. Its unethical
-- Smoking takes over 400,000 people a year in North America, Booze is a pretty high number too, yet Marijuana takes zero, riddle me that.

My .02

[SKyactivmanny]

So who's voting for Trudeau?

[fruitloops]

Hopefully, no one.

[Kiyomi]

So who's voting for Trudeau?

i will be. not just becuase of legalizaton, but to get harper out as well.

[The Wolf]

meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[peterm15]

i will be. not just becuase of legalizaton, but to get harper out as well.

And you really think Trudeau is the best option?

[The Wolf]

And you really think Trudeau is the best option?

because NDP is not going to win

[peterm15]

NDP is even worse. Don't get me wrong. Conservative isn't any better. But there is something about Trudeau that pisses me off.

[The Wolf]

NDP is even worse. Don't get me wrong. Conservative isn't any better. But there is something about Trudeau that pisses me off.

Oh haha okay.
So don't vote Conservative, Liberal or NDP. I can assume you also hate Green party. Any other ones we should avoid? haha

[loki]

Vote for Pedro

[fruitloops]

Vote independant.

[Lmmorden]

Why vote? Honestly... If they don't like the results they demand a revote anyways. 2004, 2006, 2008, 2011... So much for every 4 years, Democracy at its finest

[Kiewan]

Would legalization be done federally or provincially?

IMO i think it should be legalized, because it is more of a non issue for me. Its not like the whole country will get baked together right after legalization... or will we?

[greyseason]

Only the people the smoke already, ans people who have wanted to try it

[jaimie08mazda3]

Its the reason why every year I go to Ottawa for 4:20. They wanna tell us we can't smoke it and its illegal (which realistically if you get caught with under 30 grams you get a simple possession charge and if you have a clean record USUALLY just a slap on the wrist). But that one day out of the year I can go right up to the government building with my girlfriend, cousin and his buddies and burn through a half oz and watch the smoke pour across the Parliament hill and into downtown Ottawa. Its awesome and I can't wait to do it again. It should be legalized. But the way they have it now works too in a way. Imagine how much it would cost with taxes involved.

[Sivart444]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1653565_886488461378240_1770995743_n.jpg


Sums up my stance. Even though Canada is MUCH better about it than the USA (Depending on your state obviously)




If you haven't seen "The Union - The business behind getting high" - i HIGHLY recommend you take some time and watch it

[CloudPump]

Legalize, no...decriminalize...yes. It's still a drug, but dont give someone a record for having a dime baggy, give them a ticket. Anything over an ounce and I say that's not legit.

Alcohol is a drug. Nicotine is a drug. Acetaminaophen (Tylenol) is a drug.

Should the users of all these drugs get tickets? The argument "it's still a drug" has no weight behind it.

-Geoff

[Slade]

If you go an ask a high school kid now a days if they wanna go smoke a dube, they will probably look at you funny.

Now if you ask them if they wanna go kill an 8 Ball, they are probably more interested.

Ive never voted in the 10+ years that I have been able to because nothing the government wants to do will benefit me, I don't own a house, Im not a millionaire, so what would they do for me?

Trudeau will get my 1st vote, because hes the only government rep that will actually be doing something that will have my attention.

I don't care about property taxes, or how much more the rich will make.

I'm one of those everyday people, that goes to work, and likes to relax ever now and then.

[Lmmorden]

Apparently 7 and 8 year olds are smoking in the boys room... ... ... Wtf

[Kiyomi]

:cool

[SirWanker]

Just remember as of October 17th 2018, cannabis sold from non-licensed retailers ( eg existing dealers, dispensaries) is still considered to be illegal.
In Ontario for now, the only legal way to purchase weed is online and to my knowledge, there is no same day delivery.
Also check the local bylaws as not all municipalities will permit public consumption in spite of what Doug Ford is implying.
In other words don't blaze up on October 17th in public!
And of course, don't drive under influence.

[Kiewan]

Just remember as of October 17th 2018, cannabis sold from non-licensed retailers ( eg existing dealers, dispensaries) is still considered to be illegal.
In Ontario for now, the only legal way to purchase weed is online and to my knowledge, there is no same day delivery.
Also check the local bylaws as not all municipalities will permit public consumption in spite of what Doug Ford is implying.
In other words don't blaze up on October 17th in public!
And of course, don't drive under influence.

ITS A TRAP!!

I saw that Markham city council voted 11-0 on banning smoking in public parks too.

[Default User]

I think Markham is on the right track... limiting it to private residences only.

As a parent - last thing I want is my kids running through a cloud of smoke to get into the mall. Or sitting next to somebody that reeks of weed at McD’s

I’m definitely not against legalization - but just hope people are still somewhat discreet about it.




Now let’s start talking about legalizing public alcohol consumption.

[Default User]

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[Booter22]

i think they shouldnt have done it. now they are talking about insurance rates going up 12% or something crazy. fml