Bus blocks hit & run driver

[jonjon72]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b7AVC1YCcO0

[awagawa]

that's one lucky cyclist

[dentinger]

excellent

[Kiyomi]

pwned

[Thrizzl3]

what an a hole. why would you try to run after knocking someone down.

[terapr0]

******* shouldnt have been taking up an entire lane of traffic....what, are the TWO paved and segregated pathways too good for him??
that being said, good on the bus driver for spotting that and shutting him down. Hit & run is pretty cowardly, especially when you just took out a cyclist. I might not agree with these clowns riding on the road, but, as a longtime cyclist myself, I'm certainly not down with anyone getting run over.

[Freakzaz]

******* shouldnt have been taking up an entire lane of traffic....what, are the TWO paved and segregated pathways too good for him??
that being said, good on the bus driver for spotting that and shutting him down.

I'm not sure but are the bikes allowed on those pathways? Is it like here where bikes aren't allowed on the sidewalks?

Other than that though, I agree that the cyclist shouldn't of been driving in the middle of a car lane, at least cycle a bit closer to the side as to avoid blocking traffic and for his own personal safety.

[mazidane]

******* shouldnt have been taking up an entire lane of traffic....what, are the TWO paved and segregated pathways too good for him??
Not sure where this is but towards the end of the clip it claims that cyclists can use the full lane?, if true he was well within his right to do it. With that said, mixing motor vehicle traffic with bicycle traffic is never a good idea.

Update: Looks like Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

"On 02 April 2012 at approximately 3:06 p.m., expert cyclist Frank Pavlick was struck from behind while riding across the Fahy Bridge. Mr. Pavlick was hit by a seventeen year old juvenile who was attempting to pass a LANTA bus. Immediately following the impact, the juvenile attempted to flee the scene to avoid identification and apprehension."

"The juvenile offender has been the first in Bethlehem, and perhaps the state, to be charged under a new section of Pennsylvania law that provides additional protection for cyclists on our roadways. The section took effect at 12:01 a.m. on the date of the crash.
The section is, in pertinent part:

§ 3303. Overtaking vehicle on the left.
(a) General rule.--The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to the limitations, exceptions and special rules stated in this chapter:
(3) The driver of a motor vehicle overtaking a pedalcycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left of the pedalcycle within not less than four feet at a careful and prudent reduced speed."

[The Wolf]

******* shouldnt have been taking up an entire lane of traffic....what, are the TWO paved and segregated pathways too good for him??
that being said, good on the bus driver for spotting that and shutting him down. Hit & run is pretty cowardly, especially when you just took out a cyclist. I might not agree with these clowns riding on the road, but, as a longtime cyclist myself, I'm certainly not down with anyone getting run over.

It's been said, but there are signs instructing cyclists to use the roadway on the bridge, and signs informing everyone that cyclists have the right to use the full lane.

[hamza7]

That sucks for the cyclist, good job bus driver man!

[Hoodzy]

Umm I don't know about you guys.. Cyclists aren't allowed on sidewalks... Once they are on the road they are to be treated like a vehicle.. They are entitled to a FULL lane...
HERP A DERP

[SilentJay]

^^ And that's when there's a 50 car lineup behind someone who decides to go out for leisurely ride to enjoy the sights

[Hoodzy]

^^ And that's when there's a 50 car lineup behind someone who decides to go out for leisurely ride to enjoy the sights

That only happens when the people behind lack the ability to pass (stupid drivers or badly designed roadways). I've never encountered that much hindrance from a cyclist. Plus if it pisses you off then you need to push your city to create cycling lanes or the ability to not have to drive on the road.

[-ToM-]

shitty for all the passengers on the bus, guess everyones gonna be late to w.e they were going to

[PCLoadLetter]

^^ And that's when there's a 50 car lineup behind someone who decides to go out for leisurely ride to enjoy the sights
You don't ride a bicycle of any kind do you?


Good on the bus for blocking him in!

[krimsalt]

If this was TTC, they wouldn't have just blocked the car, they would have smashed it between the bus and the guardrail lol

[SilentJay]

You don't ride a bicycle of any kind do you?

I do, but I ride out in the burbs where it's fine to ride on the sidewalk. More to the point, it's fine if there are bicycles on the road. My point is that on more than one occasion, there have been one of those joyriders floating around in the lane going at a snail's pace, forcing traffic to slow down to allow cars to merge into the other lane. Hopefully you aren't one of them.

[Almeida]

Good on the bus driver!

[joedemarco]

That only happens when the people behind lack the ability to pass (stupid drivers or badly designed roadways). I've never encountered that much hindrance from a cyclist. Plus if it pisses you off then you need to push your city to create cycling lanes or the ability to not have to drive on the road.

+1 absolutely right.

not all cyclists have consideration for cars, and are arrogant enough to (as a group) take up an entire lane. Being cyclist, and having had this happen to me I made sure to stop and talk to the group of cyclists and remind them they are a minority and are in more danger on the road. I did so very politely.

Being a long time cyclist myself and the people I ride with do everything in our power to make way for cars...but at the same time keep us safe, sometimes that means we need to ride in two rows beside each other to give us more room for OUR safety. and since bikes should not be on the sidewalks, some divers need to stop being so ignorant and learn to drive with cyclists on the road...its not at all much harder...you just need to be patient and wait for a SAFE opportunity to pass.

[terapr0]

I still dont understand the reasoning of the "bikes shouldnt be on the sidewalk" arguement. Ok, I get that in crowded urban centers like downtown toronto the sidewalks are full of pedestrians, but out here in mississauga, 90% of the time the sidewalks are empty. I've been riding bikes my entire life and have always ridden on the sidewalk, or when possible, on back streets or trails. Biking on the road just isnt safe, especially on major streets like lakeshore. When I'm on the sidewalk and I see a pedestrian I just hop onto the road or veer onto the grass and always give them the right of way. Its worked out just fine for the last 20yrs of my life...don't see what the problem is.

And it pissess me off to no end when I see cyclists riding on the road even when theres a paved bike path for them to use. Happens all the time on lakeshore between oakville & port credit. massive bike path but these spandex-clad dickbags insist on using the road anyway.

[joedemarco]

I still dont understand the reasoning of the "bikes shouldnt be on the sidewalk" arguement. Ok, I get that in crowded urban centers like downtown toronto the sidewalks are full of pedestrians, but out here in mississauga, 90% of the time the sidewalks are empty. I've been riding bikes my entire life and have always ridden on the sidewalk, or when possible, on back streets or trails. Biking on the road just isnt safe, especially on major streets like lakeshore. When I'm on the sidewalk and I see a pedestrian I just hop onto the road or veer onto the grass and always give them the right of way. Its worked out just fine for the last 20yrs of my life...don't see what the problem is.

And it pissess me off to no end when I see cyclists riding on the road even when theres a paved bike path for them to use. Happens all the time on lakeshore between oakville & port credit. massive bike path but these spandex-clad dickbags insist on using the road anyway.

you better watch your mouth with the way you speak about cyclists...if it wasnt for arrogant, self centred, beings like you we would have this problem.

WE USE THE ROAD because its OUR RIGHT TOO! On an average ride, over 100km I average 35km/hr...riding on sidewalks and jumping a curb isnt an option at that speed. We dont use bike lanes because those bike paths are for RECREATIONAL USE...the riding I do is NOT RECREATIONAL, and others do on the road It is hard training for racing... In some area's of Bolton I am doing speed limit with cars, on their bumper...and in other spots...I am passing cars...cyclists are a lot faster than you think...if you think your brave enough to **** with one, go for it...but God better be watching you at that time, because if you **** with the wrong one...you wont even be able to out drive them.

We Have an unbelieveable amount of pro/pro-am cyclists in that Oakville area that can easily hit 65-75km/hr on a sprint when they need to, one red light and they'll be right at your door.

just a heads up...its ignorant ****s like you that kill cyclists. 90% of the population can accept it and learn to accommodate cyclists, after 20 years...I think its about time you do to.

[Slade]

From here: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/cycling-guide/section3.0.shtml <---READ THIS WHOLE PAGE!


Riding in Traffic

The Ontario Highway Traffic Act (HTA) defines the bicycle as a vehicle that belongs on the road. Riding on the road means riding with other traffic. This is only safe when all traffic uses the same rules of the road.

When everyone follows the same rules, actions become more predictable. Drivers can anticipate your moves and plan accordingly. Likewise, you too can anticipate and deal safely with the actions of others.


Bikes are meant for the roads, sidewalks are for walking.

I had someone yell at me once because I was trying to creep into an intersection to see if it was safe, I yelled back at the biker to get on the road and off the sidewalk.

Good one on the bus, someone doing the right thing :)

[zzz3]

And it pissess me off to no end when I see cyclists riding on the road even when theres a paved bike path for them to use. Happens all the time on lakeshore between oakville & port credit. massive bike path but these spandex-clad dickbags insist on using the road anyway.

LOL
:No Homo Smiley

[terapr0]

lol I love it when angry bikers ride up to my door. I've confronted cyclists countless times for running red lights, hopping past cars at stop lights, etc... I spent 9 months in Afghanistan, getting shot at. I'm a nice guy and I'd never pre-emptively attack anyone, but if they try and touch me or my car, they're going to get hurt, real bad.

It just bothers me when they act like they own the road. if you want to "share" a lane with vehicular traffic, then wait in line at a red light, dont just crawl to the front. Its amazing how many cyclists think they have some right to worm past me and cut right to the front. This whole "sharing the road" thing has got to go both ways you know...

And unless you're Lance Armstrong or training for the tour de france, use the damned bike lanes when & where they exist. It’s incredibly "arrogant and self centered" to think that you're too good to use the dedicated bikes lanes all of our tax dollars paid for. Unless you're a paid professional who races for a living, you're riding *IS* recreational. Keep riding "on the bumper" of cars, and one day you might get run over.

[The Wolf]

I spent 9 months in Afghanistan, getting shot at.

cool story, bro.


I'm a nice guy

the proof is in the pudding, pal.


if you want to share a lane with traffic, then wait in line at a red light, dont just crawl to the front. Its amazing how many cyclists think they have some right to worm past me and cut right to the front. This whole "sharing the road" thing has got to go both ways you know...

100% agree.



And unless you're Lance ****ing Armstrong or training for the tour de france, use the damned bike lanes when & where they exist. It’s incredibly "arrogant and self centered" to think that you're too good to use the dedicated bikes lanes all of our tax dollars paid for. Unless you're a paid professional who does it for a living, you're riding *IS* recreational. Keep riding "on the bumper" of cars, and one day you might get run over.

I think that's what cyclists have to keep in mind, just like motorcyclists do. You may have the right to something, but that doesn't mean some angry psychopath won't run you over on his way back from Afghanistan.

[joedemarco]

From here: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/cycling-guide/section3.0.shtml <---READ THIS WHOLE PAGE!




lol I love it when angry bikers ride up to my door. I've confronted cyclists countless times for running red lights, hopping past cars at stop lights, etc... I spent 9 months in Afghanistan, getting shot at. I'm not scared of any spandex wearing road biker. I'm a nice guy and I'd never pre-emptively attack anyone, but if they're cocky enough to try and make it physical they're going to get hurt, real bad.

It just bothers me when they act like they own the road. if you want to share a lane with traffic, then wait in line at a red light, dont just crawl to the front. Its amazing how many cyclists think they have some right to worm past me and cut right to the front. This whole "sharing the road" thing has got to go both ways you know...

And unless you're Lance ****ing Armstrong or training for the tour de france, use the damned bike lanes when & where they exist. It’s incredibly "arrogant and self centered" to think that you're too good to use the dedicated bikes lanes all of our tax dollars paid for. Unless you're a paid professional who does it for a living, you're riding *IS* recreational. Keep riding "on the bumper" of cars, and one day you might get run over.

We have every right to be on the road...sideWALKS are meant for walking. Bikes are a form of transportation that take up too much room on one narrow sidewalk. its funny that you think my riding is "recreational" I am currently racing at the highest level for my age group before I'm able to go pro, although I am not paid, I am sponsored, I didnt pay a penny for my $7,000 road bike...if thats "recreational" then one of us has a wrong definition. Again, the poeple who use the bike lane are usually young families, kids or people who are in no rush and dont have a training regimen to maintain, as a fine member of our Canadian Forces you should know what its like to have a training schedule and the effort it takes to keep that.

your beef with cyclists is that we can weasel our way to the front of traffic? you have serious ego issues, are you that 'competitive' that you get upset because a bike can move to the front of traffic?

your here bitching about cyclist getting in your way...then when we can keep up with traffic and not be an obstruction, thats whats going to get us killed?? lmao!! its when drivers play games with cyclists that kill us, Its when Im on your bumper doing 50km/hr and you think its funny to hit the brakes, thats what kills us. we arent doing anything wrong...we're keeping up with traffic...why does that kill us?

your only argument is your ignorance, dont sit there and try to be all self righteous and tell us that you ONLY EVER road on sidewalks, we all gave that up once we turned 13, everyone except young kids ride on the roads where I am from, and NEVER has a cyclist died in my area...ever. Even as a 'cyclist' you rode on a sidewalk?

[terapr0]

lol ask any vet, its not a very cool story. Not something to laugh at. I have friends who died over there.
Canadian Forces.

[joedemarco]

I think that's what cyclists have to keep in mind, just like motorcyclists do. You may have the right to something, but that doesn't mean some angry psychopath won't run you over on his way back from Afghanistan.



if anyone bitches about motorcyclists I'm going to leave this thread because thats bullshit. I deal with enough as a cyclist...the people who piss me off when im on my motorcycle get a different ear full. I have put my bike on the kickstand and have educated quite a few drivers about the additional room we require on the road. Lets not go there.

[terapr0]

I just think it needs to be a 2 way street. Share the road with cars - follow the same rules. Dont run red lights. Dont weave in and out of traffic. Dont snake to the front of traffic at a stop. I dont lurk in the right turn lane and jump in front after a red light for the same reason you shouldnt snake to the front of the line - its disrespectful and illegal. Wait your turn like everyone else.

If there are people who can sustain the 65-70km/h I'm driving on Lakeshore then by all means use the road like a car - you'll have my respect and I'll gladly hop into the next lane. If you're going 20km/h and taking an entire lane of traffic then get onto the ****ing bike path, thats all I'm saying.

[Booostin]

I have a pretty expensive mountain bike and I always ride on the sidewalks. I dont trust drivers enough to be riding in the streets so forget about that.

I have never had too many issues with cyclists on the road but it is always these teenager punks who ride on the streets so far out into traffic that piss me right off.


I just think it needs to be a 2 way street. Share the road with cars - follow the same rules. Dont run red lights. Dont weave in and out of traffic. Dont snake to the front of traffic at a stop. I dont lurk in the right turn lane and jump in front after a red light for the same reason you shouldnt snake to the front of the line - its disrespectful and illegal. Wait your turn like everyone else.


If there are people who can sustain the 65-70km/h I'm driving on Lakeshore then by all means use the road like a car - you'll have my respect and I'll gladly hop into the next lane. If you're going 20km/h and taking an entire lane of traffic then get onto the ****ing bike path, thats all I'm saying.
Agreed


terapr0 last summer after some cyclists pissed him off>>>


http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/crash.jpg

[terapr0]

lolz no way.

thats ****ing ridiculous I wonder what tyhe background is on that picture...

[joedemarco]

I just think it needs to be a 2 way street. Share the road with cars - follow the same rules. Dont run red lights. Dont weave in and out of traffic. Dont snake to the front of traffic at a stop. I dont lurk in the right turn lane and jump in front after a red light for the same reason you shouldnt snake to the front of the line - its disrespectful and illegal. Wait your turn like everyone else.

If there are people who can sustain the 65-70km/h I'm driving on Lakeshore then by all means use the road like a car - you'll have my respect and I'll gladly hop into the next lane. If you're going 20km/h and taking an entire lane of traffic then get onto the ****ing bike path, thats all I'm saying.

and I agree. those who can sustain that speed are very few, but many like myself who can keep the 30-40k speed and obstruct traffic very little (as it allows a decent speed for motorists to get around us and maintain their speed), the ones doing 20k are the ones who SHOULD use the path. When I do my 150k rides to downtown T.O im using about 80% bike path, and its annoying because of the speed is so slow, but its my only way down.

I guess my argument could have been shorter...basically "those who CAN use the road should, but those who are commuting to work or riding with their kids etc should absolutely use the bike path"

[terapr0]

thats fair.
sorry for coming off like such a prick. I've had a real shitty weekend and got a bit worked up. I stand by my opinions, but will acknowledge they're just that - opinions. and they're far from being absolute, conclusive or (a lot of the time) even partially correct.

I'm going for a ride tonight...maybe I'll try riding on the road. Just hope I dont get run over lol

[joedemarco]

thats fine! I dont take anything personally! Simple debate lol.

Try riding on the road, and do the things you hate that we do, and the things you want us to do, and see if you can see why we do/dont do them (ie moving to the front at a stop - because its intimidating being in the middle of 2 3500lb cars)

Best of luck on the ride. Ride safe! And I hope you dont encounter any idiots driving because that tends to usually ruin a good ride.

[Booostin]

thats fair.
sorry for coming off like such a prick. I've had a real shitty weekend and got a bit worked up. I stand by my opinions, but will acknowledge they're just that - opinions. and they're far from being absolute, conclusive or (a lot of the time) even partially correct.

I'm going for a ride tonight...maybe I'll try riding on the road. Just hope I dont get run over lol

Just dont forget to wear your spandex

[joedemarco]

Just dont forget to wear your spandex

LOL. They arent just spandex, they have a padded area for comfort. Ive done 200-250k rides, and without those shorts it could cause some serious prostate damage. Also, they offer the benefit of compression which helps blood to flow in the direction of the working muscles to decrease fatigue.

:FYI smiley - a little education for those who dont know.

[Booostin]

I heard guys who ride with the seat really high screw up their sperm counts cuz they crush the junk when they lean forward lol

[joedemarco]

yeah.

But that is rare because anyone on a bike who has half an ounce of knowledge would not put themselves into that situation. You have to be really stupid for that to happen. ALSO, it doesnt come from crushing the junk LOL it comes from the increased pressure on the prostate. As long as there is a slight bend in one's knee then there is no risk of this happening.

[Gloomfrost]

Lol that's one unlucky hit-and-runner :P

Also, if the law was enacted THAT DAY, I could see how he might have been frustrated with that biker, he might have missed the sign.

Let's face it, bike's don't belong on the road using a full lane unless they have a dedicated shoulder, and the lane is thinned by road markers (what we have in Toronto works great IMO).

Cars should have enough space to safely drive past the biker(s) *without having to change lanes*. Changing lanes slows traffic, and if you didn't see a biker ahead of time (especially when it's DARKER OUTSIDE), you might have to brake hard, that, plus a temptation to instantly swerve into the other lane is a recipe for disaster.

I have nothing against bikers, and I've never had negative encounters, but I would be slightly mad at the city for allowing what was seen in that video. No wonder that accident happened THE DAY OF the new law. Mark my words, they'll have to scrap it.

Some things, even if lawful in theory, need balance. Exactly why piracy can't ever be stopped, and why people will still always drive at least 120 on the highways, regardless of the sign.